[Closed] SOME dog owners make me very angry.....

TJ do you have alzheimer's? as you seem to have forgotten what you have posted earlier on this thread.

I am laughing at the pathetic little keyboard warriors witheir weird fantasies.

Richc - why do you keep repeating this hysterical exaggeration of what I have said?

could it have something to do with your equally hysterical view about what constitutes a dangerously out of control dog.

No rich - I know exactly what I said - and what yo claim I have said is not what I have said

I am laughing at the pathetic little keyboard warriors witheir weird fantasies.

Yep. Trolling. 😉

anagallis_arvensis - Member

Richc - why do you keep repeating this hysterical exaggeration of what I have said?

could it have something to do with your equally hysterical view about what constitutes a dangerously out of control dog.

Oh look - another one. quote my post please? with the "hysterical view about what constitutes a dangerously out of control dog."

Do you know what this is.....

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Oh look - another one. quote my post please?

I did.

A few posts back.

But you chose to ignore it.

My point about calling the dog warden is this TJ, your view of out of control seems to different from the rest of the rational population.

If you call someone employed to manage these matters, they will be able to explain to you that sniffing, does not constitute out of control. Rather than you working yourself up into a lather everything this comes up.

I know your not keen on facts, however in this case it may save you from having a stroke due to the stress of reading about peoples dogs in the future.

I apologise if this rational comment, interrupts your rabid ranting and disturbing views.

Its an Eternal Circle BTW. Nice innit?

I did.
A few posts back.
But you chose to ignore it.

Ditto, I sense a theme... but I'm having fun imagining TJ frothing at the keyboard.

Neal prezet - and it was obvious nonsense. what I posted and what you claimed I did are clearly not the same thing. can you read?

do you understand I am laughing at you? Your desperate attempts to discredit me by manufacturing hysterical interpretation of what I say?

Ditto, I sense a theme... but I'm having fun imagining TJ frothing at the keyboard.

I would love to meet him, and get my dog to pee on his shoes 😉 on command of course (so still in control)

This is the best dog thread ever. FACT.

No one wants to see dogs intimidating children

I'll confess that I've only scan-read parts of this thread, but there did seem to be a few posts alluding to "it's not intimidating, it's only a dog, maybe your daughter needs to DogTFU and you should reassure her better." I could be wrong though, I'm busy here so not wholly paying attention.

When I see a bike I put my dog back on her lead

Cool, thank you. Anecdotally, you appear to be in the minority though, most people I need when out riding either don't know what to do or don't care. It doesn't even need to be on a lead, so long as it's not ricocheting around like a pinball on Haribo. "Sit" would be lovely.

(As an aside, a [i]really [/i]common thing I see is for the owner to wait until I'm right along side the dog before they think that they should perhaps do 'something,' and calling the dog so that it barrels across the track inches in front of me. I've nearly Damien Hirst'ed them on more than one occasion.)

Your desperate attempts to discredit me by manufacturing hysterical interpretation of what I say?

I think you're doing that all by yourself - we're just quoting your posts...

deadlydarcy - Member

You've been trolling for the last three pages haven't you TeeJ?

Me?

richc - Member
My point about calling the dog warden is this TJ, your view of out of control seems to different from the rest of the rational population

really? or is anyone who disagrees with you "not rational"

from you posts I imagine you walk your dog wearing a Tshirt that says "touch my dog and I'll f*ck you up" 😉

Right, everyone, lighten up it's Christmas FFS.

The vast majority of dogs are very nice and friendly and should be embraced with open arms, peace and goodwill, just like the majority of human beings.

However, like human beings there are some bad eggs which give the rest of the dog population a bad name, and as such some people are afraid of dogs they don't know and find them unpredictable.

So, just like you wouldn't like a random stranger bounding over to you and sniffing your crotch, believe it or not some people don't like that about dogs, so you need to respect this, irrespective of the law.

So, as a responsible dog owner, you can have your dog off lead and let it run around to your hearts content, but if it starts wandering over to a stranger, use your judgement to see whether that stranger is either bending down, arms wide open to embrace the dog with hugs and kisses, or gently weeping to themselves in fear at said dogs presence.

If the latter, then call your dog to heal immediatly and everyone will be happy. If your dog won't call to heal immediatly then that is a problem which you should rectify via training or keeping on lead.

Merry Christmas.

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*Applauds LHS for a masterly summing up*

If you clarify what you mean by legal responsibilities the circle of monotony might be broken. Evidently your use of this term is being interpreted by some that there is legislation involved in defining these legal responsibilities.

EDIT - Now you've edited that doesn't make sense any more!

Thank **** for that.

Dig n daft, LHS and of course TJ seem to have it right - not everyone loves dogs which may come as a big surprise to several people on this thread.

Its an Eternal Circle BTW. Nice innit?

Ouroboros

Agnostic dyslexic Insomniac Charlie? Lay awake wondering if there was a dog?

Ouroboros

Bless you

I feel that saying a dog sniffing around you is 'out of control' is irrational. Might just be me though, hence why it might be worth TJ checking the sniffing thing with a dog warden.

from you posts I imagine you walk your dog wearing a Tshirt that says "touch my dog and I'll f*ck you up"

If someone kicked my dog for sniffing around them, then I suspect that things wouldn't pan out well, if however someone kicked my dog because it was scaring there child (for something other than being a dog that is) I would be apologising to the parent, and bollocking the dog. Seems like a rational response to me? or am I being unreasonable?

I have to say that in the 3 years I've had the dog, I've only had 3 incidents which I am embarrassed about, and only one of them was completely my fault (picnic raid in Leigh Woods, out by the viewing station over to the suspension bridge) which considering he is walked for several hours a day doesn't seem bad. The other two were; a man tried to kick the dog, as it was in the way and a 12 year old boy through his jumper over the dog, who promptly ran off with it, much to the childs mothers annoyance, and who actually screamed at me 'that could have been a baby!' to which a random stranger said, 'does you kid often throw babies to dogs?' which didn't help.

I have more issues with kids grabbing him randomly, however he doesn't seem to mind/blink and just stands there completely still until they let him go, and I seem more bothered than the dog/kids/parents but I guess that's because I will have to deal with the consequences of him getting jabbed in the eye.

The vast majority of dogs are very nice and friendly and should be embraced with open arms, peace and goodwill, just like the majority of human beings.

However, like human beings there are some bad eggs which give the rest of the dog population a bad name, and as such some people are afraid of dogs they don't know and find them unpredictable.

So, just like you wouldn't like a random stranger bounding over to you and sniffing your crotch, believe it or not some people don't like that about dogs, so you need to respect this, irrespective of the law.

So, as a responsible dog owner, you can have your dog off lead and let it run around to your hearts content, but if it starts wandering over to a stranger, use your judgement to see whether that stranger is either bending down, arms wide open to embrace the dog with hugs and kisses, or gently weeping to themselves in fear at said dogs presence.

If the latter, then call your dog to heal immediatly and everyone will be happy. If your dog won't call to heal immediatly then that is a problem which you should rectify via training or keeping on lead.

Every post should have a summary as succinct as this at the beginning. We'd all be a lot happier, waste less time and have more time for riding/working/being nice to each other. Merry Chrimble folks

Crotch sniffing is annoying, and LHS pretty much sums up what the dog owners on here are saying nicely, but TJ is talking about sniffing around you in general, hence people's disbelief.

If TJ attitude was more in line with LHS I suspect these arguments wouldn't happen

TandemJeremy - Member
Thats right - I do not want your dog in my space - I want you to control your dog. I do not want the foul smelling, disease carrying thing sniffing around me. If yo met your legal obligations I wouldn't have to put up with it.

Your desperate attempts to discredit me by manufacturing hysterical interpretation of what I say?

Just explain to me. Just for laughs.

I cut and paste every word of your post.

[quote=Tandem Jeremy].....
Prezet - why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me?
I don't like it, I don't want your dog to do this.
Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.

Then I ask a question about it .......

[quote=nealglover]

What LAW are they breaking by allowing there dog to walk around sniffing people/things. ?

You refuse to answer it for a while.

Then you post something from the Countryside Code, that didn't help you at all.

Then you attempt again, with a law you thought might fit, but it didn't.

Only after all that......

You decide my "interpretation" of what you said was wrong ???

[b](why were you trawling the net looking for laws to back it up for so long, Before you decided you didn't mean what I though you meant.?)[/b]

That's called "Backtracking"

It's pretty clear you couldn't find evidence to back up your claims of dog owners supposed "legal responsibilities" extending as far as you presumed they did.

So you decided to try and weasel out of what you actually said.

Nice try, but it's as transparent as cling film 🙄

stil whittering on neal?

You made up some ridiculous false interpretation of what I said.

I'm going to go ask my dog what he thinks. (He's a Lawyer)

I'll let you know what he says

That's not a very good explanation TJ.

I think I explained myself fairly well.

(and asked a few more questions you have conveniently ignored)

Saying I'm "whittering on" is just a feeble attempt to discredit me isn't it ?

What I am actually doing is drawing attention to the fact that you have been caught out talking bollx (again) and you never seem to like that do you.

The best way to avoid it happening in future, is to figure out before you type, if what you are going to say is Bollx or not.

That way, people won't have to point it out to you later and make you look daft.

Come on Neil, its not really fair to expect TJ to explain, or remember what he posted earlier in the day ..............

and why should he need to, what he just said is always right according to TJ's Law, even if it contradicts what he said 2 minutes ago.

Sweepstake anyone?

I'm saying this runs to 14 Pages...

[b]

Tandem Jeremy » .....

Prezet - why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me?
I don't like it, I don't want your dog to do this.
Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.

[/b]

OK.

Here is a chance to sort things out.

Just explain to me how I should have interpreted that statement then.

Explain [b]exactly[/b] what you meant please.

Neal - If the statement I had made meant anything like what you claim it does then you would have a point. Unfortunately for you it does not.

Same with Richc - I have challenged you both on this and neither of yo can produce anything to back up your witterings.

If you invent weird interpretations of what I say you must expect to be laughed at.

cookeaa - Member

Sweepstake anyone?

I'm saying this runs to 14 Pages...

Na - I'm getting bored now

He's just reading up on it before he makes his judgement

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We've all been bored for some time now...

Even me and I'm really ****ing dull...

Serious look in that dogs eye.

Here is a chance to sort things out.
Just explain to me how I should have interpreted that statement then.
Explain exactly what you meant please.

TandemJeremy - Member
Neal - If the statement I had made meant anything like what you claim it does then you would have a point. Unfortunately for you it does not.

And yet you pass up a chance to explain what it [b]does mean[/b] ??

Just explain where I got it wrong and that will be it.

Na - I'm getting bored now

I just ran that through Google Translate and it said "I'm accepting defeat"

Verdict!

No animals were harmed in the making of this video

What LHS said.

Can't be arsed to read the previous 10 pages.

Tandem Jeremy » .....

[b]Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it[/b]

Accept your legal responsibilities? When will you accept yours, you sanctomonious prat of a man

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/red-light-jumper-8am-victoria-road-glasgow/page/3#post-543061

TandemJeremy - Member
[b]I jump red lights[/b] when it is safer for me to do so than to wait for the green

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/some-cyclists-make-my-blood-boil/page/2#post-471069

TandemJeremy - Member
[b]I jump red lights[/b] when it is safer for me to do so than to wait for the green

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/700-fine-for-brighton-cyclist/page/2#post-1316166

TandemJeremy - Member
There are a small number of junctions where [b]I cross on red [/b]

etc etc

So you're quite happy to dodge your "legal responsibility" when it suits your own personal agenda and you make up some paper thin sob story about safety because you're a crap cyclist that can't handle busy traffic?

Tiger's dog defeats internet arguers in video shocker.

Yup - what other person have I affected there? and if prosecuted I would not bleat.
What relevance that has to this situation I don't know.

Is this someone from here I wonder?

😉

What relevance that has to this situation I don't know.

I think he means that you're quite happy to preach legal obligations to others, yet seem unable to abide by them yourself.

As self-appointed arbiter - and in the interests of seasonal good will to all men - may I suggest we forget that [i]someone[/i] ever mentioned (or maybe didn't) that dog owners have a legal responsibility to stop crotch sniffing. Put it down as an aberration of the internet. We otherwise all seem to be in agreement on this topic, which would be a nice way to wrap it up (seasonal pun intended).

I could ask Murphy again but he's asleep now.

Ski it isnt me. My dog would have caught and killed one before the road! Actually will be there on boxing dsy thing dog will be on a lead!

OK I haven't read much more than the first page so might get flamed but tough. IMHO the OP has every right to ask the owner to call back the dog. My little girl was bitten in the face by a friends dog when she was two. I have managed to get her used to a couple of friends dogs and she is fine and comfortable with them. However she is scared of big strange dogs. I don't blame her - I might be scared if a carnivorous animal much bigger and heavier than me came running over to me. Dogs in public area's should be under control. Simple. Unless you are a dog loving child hater or a troll.

I love these dog threads.

TandemJeremy - Member

richc -- why the personal abuse? Because you have lost the debate?

TandemJeremy - Member

Richc you realy are pathetic and laughable. really 🙄

As self-appointed arbiter - and in the interests of seasonal good will to all men - may I suggest we forget that someone ever mentioned (or maybe didn't) that dog owners have a legal responsibility to stop crotch sniffing. Put it down as an aberration of the internet.

Ok, in the interest of Seasonal Harmony (and to save TJ having to admit he was wrong) 

I'll agree that nobody said this:

[quote=Tandem Jeremy] .....
Prezet - why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me?
I don't like it, I don't want your dog to do this.
Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.

An when they weren't saying it, they didn't mean what they actually meant. 

And furthermore, they didn't try and prove it was true for a while, before realising it was hopeless and changing their tune by saying they didn't mean it and [u]it was all made up etc*[/u]

Is that better

(*which it was, as nobody said it, right?)

I did say that which is quite correct.

What I didn't say, which is what you claimed, is that there is a law against dogs sniffing around! Not the same as what I posted

You do have a legal obligation under various bits of law to keep your dog under control which would stop it from bothering me. if you do that then there will be no problems and the dog will not have an opportunity to stick its nose where it is not wanted.

see - simple isn't it - even a dog could understand 🙂

Stand away from the keyboard TJ FFS

What I didn't say, which is what you claimed, is that there is a law against dogs sniffing around! Not the same as what I posted

Shocking isn't it. I can't see how anyone could have inferred that!

You do have a legal obligation under various bits of law to keep your dog under control [b]which would stop it from bothering me.[/B]

No it wouldn't. you said you don't want peoples dogs sniffing you.:

[quote=TJ]
why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me?

I don't like it, I don't want your dog to do this.

No law says I cant let my dog wander over to you and sniffing you.

So no, it won't stop you being "bothered"

[quote=TJ].....if you do that then there will be no problems and [b]the dog will not have an opportunity to stick its nose where it is not wanted[/b].

Yes it will.

The laws only says the dog is considered to be "dangerously out of control" (the exact wording of the offence)

if it has injured someone,

or if there is [b]Reasonable[/b] belief that it will.

Why do yu have to try to distort what i say?

neal
you said you don't want peoples dogs sniffing you.

why should I have to accept your dog [b]coming up to me[/b] and sniffing me?

???? see those words in bold? makes a differnce 🙄 😛 🙄

Is the [i]no walk zone[/i] a specified and clearly marked distance? Do the dog owners have to guess at which point you consider a dog to be simply passing? What are the give away signs that help you determine whether the dog is going to sniff your crotch in a manner that causes offence or is simply going to aggressively ignore you?

I'm a dog owner and am happy with my dog but most other dogs are a pain in the ass......

If I see that someone especially a child doesn't like dogs I always pull him back in on the lead as to not offend.

If Jeremy doesn't want dogs coming and sniffing round him that's his prerogative, but.... though if he says Leicester Tigers are "cheating bastards" again I'm setting my dog on him to give his crotch a good lick/sniffing !!

If Jeremy doesn't want dogs coming and sniffing round him that's his prerogative, but...

TJ could possibly be having kittens, calling the police and trying to have me charged

I'm only skimming this thread, but what's this? TJ is charging you to sniff his crotch?

I was going to ask how much, but realised that that doesn't matter

TandemJeremy - Member
Why do yu have to try to distort what i say?

neal
you said you don't want peoples dogs sniffing you.
why should I have to accept your dog [b]coming up to me[/b] and sniffing me?

???? see those words in bold? makes a differnce

No.

Thay make no difference whatsoever.

As a dog owners LEGAL obligation, is to make sure their dog is not [b]Dangerously out of Control[/b]

Their legal responsibility is [b]Not[/b] to make sure their dog doesn't

"come up to you and sniff you"
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Do you Seriously not understand the difference between

[b]"Dangerously out of Control"[/b]

and

[b]"Wandering up to people and sniffing them"
[/b]
because if you dont, I can see whay you think dog owners are breaking the law 😯

If a dog comes charging up to me, is it my responsibility to ascertain whether I'm going to get ignored, covered in drool, or bitten?

The OP's original complaint (remember that?) was that his small child was (rightly or wrongly) scared of the big dog. It's intent isn't relevant, IMHO. The dog owner needs to observe Wheaton's Law.

How is this still going on?
Stop wasting company money.

Nealglover You really are a bit odd. why all the ranting? why this need to totally distort what I say / invent things you claim I say to make some sort of spurious odd point?

As I told you before. there is the civil wrong of "dog not under proper control / close control" and the criminal offence of "dog dangerously out of control"

Don Simon - It nothing to do with fear. Its a dislike . I don't like dogs, they smell, they slobber and I don't want them near me.

I don't ask anything of you that is not your legal obligation - keep it under control, train it properly.

simple

Don Simon - It nothing to do with fear. Its a dislike . I don't like dogs, they smell, they slobber and I don't want them near me.

TandemJeremy - Member
Nealglover You really are a bit odd. why all the ranting? why this need to totally distort what I say / invent things you claim I say to make some sort of spurious odd point?
As I told you before. there is the civil wrong of "dog not under proper control / close control" and the criminal offence of "dog dangerously out of control"

Why do you keep accusing me of "Ranting"

You are not the only person on this forum who is allowed to post you know.

Is it just that if someone disagrees with you, you have to accuse them of "ranting" ?

My points are perfectly clear. And I'm perfectly calm.

You simply ignore all my points, and accuse me of ranting and twisting your words.

I have done no twisting of words, I have quoted you by cut and paste every time.

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You just don't seem to be able to answer my questions 🙄
(you haven't even attempted to)
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I'll just have to presume that's because you are wrong, and just don't like having it spelled out so clearly.

Don - thing is all the decent dog owners on here understand their obligations. Its not rocket science. its not an absurd position to want them to train their dos properly and keep them under control. a few mnore dead dogs would concentrate their minds I guess 🙂

Neal - you continually distort what I say. 🙄

How can I answer something when want you claim I said is not what I have said? really - its very odd.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet? answer that

Don - thing is all the decent dog owners on here understand their obligations

I want to go about my daily life without tyou dog botering me - thats my right. You keep your welkl trained dog under control and it does not bother me. everyone is happy.

You just keep your noisy motorbike away from ears and your tandem off the trails I travel and just be sure that you do absolutely nothing to interfere in my life. It's my right to go about my daily life without being bothered.
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And just for the record TJ, have a read if you want, you'll find that as an owner of proper [i]dangerous [/i] dogs I am one of the most responsible owners out there.

I have done no twisting of words, I have quoted you by cut and paste every time.

It's deja vu all over again.

neal, can i just lend you my support and urge you to keep going as long as you can. I've just had a similar discussion on the Christianity thread. It's unhelpful when other folks snipe and accuse you of not letting go. The thing is TJ continually has these kinds of discussions, in which he ducks and swerve, avoids direct questions and continually accuses you of misquoting him, yet never takes the opportunity to clarify. Instead he repeats statements which you find unproblematic, as though you had trouble understanding them. It's like trying to stab a snake with a pitchfork. Good luck to you, unfortunately i fear he will wear you down. I'm not entirely sure why he does it, well, I have an idea, but i don't really understand why he does it as often as he does. What is clear though, is that he is very at expressing himself as folks often appear to misunderstand his intent. Stay strong, mon brave

I don't know why people get so up their own backsides when you tackle them about their dogs, my neighbors got a rescue dog that constantly barked day & night, I politely had a word with them about it and they were apologetic explaining it had a hard life etc boohoo, they told me they would do something about it and were taking it to dog training classes, however as time went on there was a slight improvement but we were more often than not woken by their barking mutt, so I went around again only to be met by the hostile wife saying what should I expect dogs bark, anyway after a few choice words I started keeping a diary and contacted the council after they had a letter from the council the barking improved dramatically, funny that eh! Anyhow everytime I now go out to my car or on my drive fettling with my bikes or arriving home from work the bloody dog is in their lounge window barking at me, they are in the lounge and do nothing to stop their Ferrell mutt doing this, why should I have their bloody dog impacting on my life, I will be have more words with them, matters weren't helped by there son who is rather flamboyant and very out if you get my meaning decided to stay up late on a school night keeping my children awake, so words were said and ignored so I soaked him and his mates with my hosepipe which didn't go down to well, I explained its better than me knocking his block off. I think some people are just inconsiderate and having a dog gives them more of an excuse to be major pains in the arse. I think every time the dogs barks at me on my drive I will go and bang on their window until they get the message.

Charlie

I have not been ducking swerving and avoiding direct questions here. Neal really does continually take something I say and twist it into another meaning - therefore when He says " why do you claim this" my only answer is "I didn't say that" Because what he keeps claiming I said I never have.