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So .. After 6 pages of web waffle I shall still be hoofing any snappy dogs as far as I can and no Im not a dog whisperer and have no intention of becoming one.
and to add some balance if you try and hoof any dog into next week, just because they walked too close to you, don't be surprised if you end up on the floor looking for your teeth 😉
People can get very protective over animals, especially if they feel they are witnessing unprovoked abuse.
What about putting cats in bins? Is that ok?
what type of cat?
NB: Interestingly, in the UK (obviously you have the TJ's law get out ;)) if you attack a dog, and hurt/kill it you can be prosecuted for criminal damage, which is 3 to 6 months in jail and up to 5K fine.
Just a normal moggy. Not a lion or a snow leopard or owt.
So is a dog considered property then? I suppose a tiger probably would be too then
Yes, its considered to be property.
It would have to be a very big wheelie bin to lure a Lion in, snow leopard might take a bit of finding too, so I can see why they are bad choices.
I suppose ultimately as long as the cat is ginger, its OK ....
Yup a dog is property but a cat is a wild animal. You are responsible for waht your dog does but not for what your cat does.
Gerbils - now there is a question.
I don't particularly like dogs, However i've tried very hard to bring my kids up to be animal lovers, and i'm quite happy for them to play with dogs who we know and trust - we have a rule that you don't go near, or attract strange dogs until we know they are friendly.
As far as i'm concerned uncontrolled dogs off leads are fair game - i've got no worries about kicking one swiftly under chin if its a threat to my kids, and the next one that chases me on my bike will get my boot in its ear.
Yes, I know its a criminal offence, but so is killing burglars, and i'd have no problem with doing that if I felt my family were in danger.
I'm sure all the militant dog lovers will hate this but if you don't like it, learn to control your dog properly, and keep it away from other peoples small kids.
i've got no worries about kicking one swiftly under chin if its a threat to my kids, and the next one that chases me on my bike will get my boot in its ear.
Yes, I know its a criminal offence, but so is killing burglars, and i'd have no problem with doing that if I felt my family were in danger.I'm sure all the militant dog lovers will hate this but if you don't like it, learn to control your dog properly, and keep it away from other peoples small kids.
I agree that people should be in full control of their dogs at all times. Saying that people have different perceptions of what is dangerous. You may interpret a dog as a threat when it isn't, through basic ignorance. Your actions may even exacerbate the situation, say for example if you kicked the dog of someone a bit handy and not afraid to dish out some physical retribution.
I've got a nice little case on , child playing in park on swing up run two dogs grab child drag him to ground break his wrist he has puncture bite to head near eye and shoulder. It literally was a child's face.
If you own a dog and take it to a public place you really do need to keep it under control at all times. I would say you should not allow it to approach children except in controlled circumstances.
mind you my attitude is shaped by being nipped on the ankle as a child and having to play rugby on a school playing field used by every dog owner in town as a place to exercise their pets. As i understand it exercise is code for taking a dog for a sh!t.
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I've got a nice little case on , child playing in park on swing up run two dogs grab child drag him to ground break his wrist he has puncture bite to head near eye and shoulder. It literally was a child's face.
I hope the kid recovers fully
As i understand it exercise is code for taking a dog for a sh!t.
yup, that's my understanding too, dog toileting is the primary use of all public space
"How can anyone really care about a retarded Quadraped with a panchant for wiping its arse on your carpet and chewing toddlers faces off... "
I will tolerate a four legged friend which sometimes wipes it's arse on my carpet... exactly because it sometimes also chews off 'toddlers' faces.
'Toddlers' are face eating alien parasites right?
"Just a normal moggy. Not a lion or a snow leopard or owt."
Why can't you talk like a grown up person does?
"I'm sure all the militant dog lovers will hate this but if you don't like it, learn to control your dog properly, and keep it away from other peoples small kids."
I am sure all the child fetishists such as yourself will hate this, but if you don't like it, keep your small kids at home until they are big enough to be a part of our wonderful world without you feeling the need to ruin other peoples enjoyment of it for your or their sake alone!
Thank you 🙂
I am sure all the child fetishists such as yourself will hate this, but if you don't like it, keep your small kids at home until they are big enough to be a part of our wonderful world without you feeling the need to ruin other peoples enjoyment of it for your or their sake alone!Thank you
why, do adults like standing in dog sh1t? Are no adults imtimidated by dogs owned by people who threaten physical violence?
Some movements in the right direction, in Leeds at least.
Some parks are already subject to dog bans, and I like the four dog maximum, though it could do with being fewer in order to keep the people who walk dogs for a business out of the public spaces.
I adore dogs when they are used in the roles that we humans domesticated them for thousands of years ago.
I think its so sad that people are choosing dogs (other pets to) as a lazy half arsed child substitutes.
Because that way they to care and look after some thing that they don't have to compromise their life style for. Also when they're bored of the animal or dislike some aspect of the animal you can just get rid of it.
Bring back dog licenses
No one with a violent criminal record should be allowed to own a dog
Dogs should be muzzled when in public.
All dogs and owners must complete an obedience course.
Unlimited fines for owners of illegal breeds.
I am not anti dog but I am sick of people unable to control their dogs and not taking responsibility for their dogs actions.
The immortal line "he doesn't bite" as this 4' tall Irish wolf hound chases after you as your riding round your local woods.
What suprises me is the huge number of seemingly awful experiences so many people on here have had sith dogs. I had dogs as a kid, worked with collies on farms, go out and about in the countryside, own and walk my current dog and child and the worst experience i've had is stepping in dog shit. I cant help but think that a bit of knowledge and experience of dogs may just help some people lead a more relaxed life.
AA - point missed.,
I do not want your dog it to bother me. this is my right,
all I ask is you keep your dog under control as you are legally obliged to. You are blaming the victims. Blame the people who fail to control their dogs.
You may interpret a dog as a threat when it isn't, through basic ignorance.
The point is though, [b]it's not my Job to learn about someone else's choice of pet.[/b]
If they want to have a large dog as a pet, then they are the ones who should be doing the research, not me.
And part of that research would be to learn how to train it properly so they can control it, and it doesn't totally ignore them and keep running towards my kids.
I do not want your dog it to bother me. this is my right,
Let's not forget that your definition of bother is way off the mark from a rational human being's definition.
Being a big girls' blouse is not the same as having a genuine fear of dogs.
Well i would say you've missed the point TJ and your habit of personnalising the issue is an odius habit you'd do well to drop.
I 'm happy enough for you all to scream like girls and have a childish paddy everytime a dog comes near you if thats your right you go girl. Wont be my dog coming near you.
TJ, I don't think the points you have made are particularly relevant to the discussion, you clearly don't undestand the issue in hand and are obviously a fool.
I have knowledge and experience with dogs, that's why I don't want one I don't know off it's lead near my kids.
I do not know you, I do not know how you have trained and treated your animal, and I don't want to feel on edge when I'm in the park with my kids. I don't want to ever see dogs crapping in public, it's anti-social even if it is cleaned up - which it never quite is. If took a dump in the park but responded, it's ok I'll put it in a bag it wouldn't be ok. I don't want your dog to jump up on me and leave mud all over my new top just as I'm on my way to catch a bus in to town - this happened to me last year.
I don't get why folk can't understand how it can be that others don't want to deal with dogs and the consequences of dog ownership.
Oh my god you got muddy how awful.
Oh my god you got muddy how awful.
So if you were on your way out and gingerss sauntered up and threw some mud over your clothes it'd be no problem at all?
How 'awful' it is isn't the point. Why should he have to put up with having that done to him by a dog owner?
I am not anti dog but I am sick of people unable to control their dogs and not taking responsibility for their dogs actions.
Phew just as well you stuck this in at the end of your anti dog rant. I do suspect though, that you're possibly anti a lot of things. Just a feeling...
I don't get why folk can't understand how it can be that others don't want to deal with dogs and the consequences of dog ownership.
Too many negatives there...cannot compute.
Why do the dog owners find this concept so difficult? and as for personalising it just read your own answers.
Just keep your dog under control - thats all we ask. Would you consider it acceptable for me to throw mud all over you? Crap on your shoes? Sniff your crotch? steal your picnic?
Why do the dog owners find this concept so difficult? and as for personalising it just read your own answers.
It's your world of dogmatic absolutes that I struggle with TeeJ and your seeming refusal to share your space with anything that might grey the area for you for a second.
You come across as a nasty ****er on these threads. You ought to know that. 😐
Just keep your dog under control - thats all we ask. Would you consider it acceptable for me to throw mud all over you? Crap on your shoes? Sniff your crotch? steal your picnic?
How often do any of these horrendous acts actually occur?
How often do any of these horrendous acts actually occur?
Crotch sniffing is the worst, my Mrs goes mad when I run up to total strangers and sniff at their crotches!
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Oh my god you got muddy how awful
Not awful, just irritating. I could have been the 'whinge on about cleaning bills type', but I just gave some polite feedback to the owner and moved on.
I am not anti-dog. People have dogs and that's fine, we live in a free society and people are laragely entitled as they please. Just keep your dog under control - i.e. train them well and keep an eye on them so they will always respond to verbal commands. If they aren't trained they need to be on a lead.
I agree with a lot of what TJ has said (although I havent read all of the posts)
I have a dog and am broadly tolerant of other peoples.
I have a simple rule however. If dogs harrass, chase, show agression or pester me of my family I will take action, initially by gently trying to chase them away. If they are more forceful then so am I.
It is unusual (and clearly beyond the understanding of dog owners who are so blinded by the love of their dog) to find many aggresive dogs in my experience (and as a runner I have a lot of experience!) however some dogs are aggresive and my young children have little in the way of defence foe even this unusual event. As a consequence I have to assess the risk of a bounding Alsation, Collie etc and err on the side of caution. I cannot afford to wait to find out if he is being playful or not and therefore may have to get my retaliation in first.
Dont get me wrong this is only on the rare occasion when its difficult to read a dogs body language or they are approcahing very quickly etc. A playful Spaniel with a wagging tail is unlikely to be intercepted with the same response as a bigger more aggresive "looking" dog
Keyboard warrior maybe but parent first of all.
Dog lovers need to get their heads out of their *****
but parent first of all.
Paramount in STW warrior threads.
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own and walk my current dog and child and the worst experience i've had is stepping in dog shit.
according to Lancaster CC dog owners have turned most parks and childrens play areas into a biohazard
How many parks are infected with Toxocara eggs?
Random soil surveys have found that the majority of parks throughout the UK are infected with Toxocara eggs in various stages of development.
http://www.lancaster.gov.uk/dogwardens/foul-subject/
and I'm sure this little girl wishes she only stepped in it
I really hope she recovered
..... steal your picnic?
To be fair though, that's cartoon bears most of the time.
And Ranger Smith is doing his best to sort it.
DD - and the dog owners come across as selfish, self indulgent and unpleasant with a complete inability to appreciate anothers point of view?
Why do you not want to keep your dog under control and stop it from annoying others?
It's your world of dogmatic absolutes that I struggle with TeeJ and your seeming refusal to share your space with anything that might grey the area for you for a second.
Thats right - I do not want your dog in my space - I want you to control your dog. I do not want the foul smelling, disease carrying thing sniffing around me. If yo met your legal obligations I wouldn't have to put up with it.
Paramount in STW warrior threads.
Theres a very nasty Border Terrier that lives near me. He's gonna get it.
How often do any of these horrendous acts actually occur?
In my experience if I go to the park for a picnic with the kids there's pretty much 100% chance that some dog will come and try to stick its nose in the sandwich box.
Dogs approaching my daughter and frightening her by being too big, too fast or too yappy (and in all cases out of control) is maybe 50/50. Bearing in mind that my daughter really likes dogs, this is saddening because she is developing a fear even though we will often stop and let her stroke the odd under control dog with the owners permission.
DD - and the dog owners come across as selfish, self indulgent and unpleasant with a complete inability to appreciate anothers point of view?
Utter bollocks TeeJ - and you know it. Of course, you'd [i]never[/i] fail to understand others' points of view would you TeeJ? Eh?
Why do you not want to keep your dog under control and stop it from annoying others?
There you go again - why be such a nasty ****er, eh? My dog is under control and doesn't annoy others. Stop jumping to your silly black and white conclusions again. Wipe the froth from your mouth, exit the thread and move on.
Why do the dog owners find this concept so difficult? and as for personalising it just read your own answers.
Probably because of your (and other posters) blanket attitudes, assuming all dogs are the same, and have this distorted perception of 'under control'.
If a dog if walking with it's owner (off the lead) and gently walks up to a passer by and has a 'sniff' you assume it's not under control.
There are plenty of well behaved, well natured dogs out there, big and small, who you seem to think should be constantly on a lead and muzzled. Sure, there are some aggressive breads out there, and I completely agree that if a dog is known to be 'mardy' in public by growling at other dogs/people then it should be on a lead and potentially muzzled.
But these blanket arguments of saying all dogs should be treated the same is just ridiculous.
Going back to the OP - the dog in question had a 'sniff', it wasn't out of control, it didn't behave aggressive. The OP was a bit aggressive in his initial response, IMO, he could have reassured the child by saying "look, it's only a doggy, he won't hurt you", then ask the owners if it's ok to touch the dog - so as to show the girl there's nothing to be scared of.
He'd also be teaching his daughter to ask the owners if it's OK to touch their dog. Plenty of times I've seen children not 'under control' go walking across to someone's dog and start pulling on it's fur and ears - only to be shocked when it turns around and barks at them. Then somehow it's perceived that the owners are at fault.
In this world we need a little give and take (and understanding) on both sides. Dog owners love their dogs, they like being able to have them run off the lead when it's safe for all concerned. Just as parents love to know their kids can play in a safe area (ie. a park).
Theres a very nasty Border Terrier that lives near me. He's gonna get it.
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My dog is under control and doesn't annoy others
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Perhaps it's a little unfair to group all dog owners together perhaps I should redefine it:
Group 'A' - Mostly arseholes, who fail to control their stupid Mutt, let it shit everywhere, chase and scare kids and abuse anyone who dares to question to their control over, or suitability to own the Witless, Bastardised, Descendant of a Pack Hunter...
Group 'B' - Responsible owners, cognisant of the fact that their animal poses a [I]Potential[/I] threat due to its inherited biological imperatives and instincts, and hence actually control the animal. This group also always pick up and dispose of their Dogs faeces properly (not just the ones other people happen to notice)...
Group 'B' are largely the exception rather than the rule IME...
For what it's worth my daughter is not scared of Dogs (nor do I want her to be), She will merrily say "Hello Doggy" to every canine she encounters in the park, regardless of how bloody dangerous they look.
Both her Mother and Farther have been attacked by strangers dogs while growing up and hence take the [I]"He won't bite", "He's just being Friendly"[/I] type assurances given by Dog owners with a large pinch of salt...
I'll accept that not all dogs are dangerous all the time, if dog lovers will accept that not all dogs are lovable bundles of furry fun that would never harm a fly, and a fair bit more responsibility comes with owning a Dog than many seem to realise or care about...
Labelling people who are worried about their kids being attacked by poorly controlled Dogs in a park as “Ignorant” speaks volumes IMO…
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Nope, you're wrong there. Mine [i]is[/i]. So having TeeJ and Keyboard warrior parents, tarring me with the same brush as bad owners is what I find annoying. All I've ever asked for in this thread is that we all try and share the same space with tolerance and generally be nice to one another.
I'm going to let Molly crap in the sand pit in the fenced off kids' playing area this morning.
My dog is under control and doesn't annoy others
This is the crux, isn't it. I don't know where your dog is but the fact it exists annoys me. What ya goin' to do now??? Eh!
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I'd also add that when I have spare bags, I pick up other dogs' shit as well in our local park. As well as the considerable amount of litter left behind by humans.
Prezet - completely wrong - the dog was not under control - whether because the owner failed to control it or because the couldn't control it.
DD - "you" plural not you in particular. Not aimed at you personally but at the dog owners like prezet who not only fail to control their dogs but fail to understand the need to do so.
However the is a recurrent theme all thru these threads from dog owners saying we need to put up with this/ learn how to cope with it.
Wrong. its the dog owners responsibility to keep the dogs away from others. End.
Wrong. its the dog owners responsibility to keep the dogs away from others. End.
TeeJ's Black and White New World Order.
If you could, in future, put "singular" or "plural" in brackets after "you" I might be able to understand your bleatings.
cookeaa - I can definitely say I fall into Group B
And so do most other dog owners I come across (but I do walk Molly in popular dog walking areas) - I occasionally meet an aggressive dog/owner. When I do I lead Molly immediately. Mainly for her own safety - as he likes to go say 'hello' to other dogs and not all of them respond nicely.
If you could, in future, put "singular" or "plural" in brackets after "you" I might be able to understand your bleatings.
Learn the language, it's the law apparently.
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Prezet - completely wrong - the dog was not under control
In YOUR opinion - in most other peoples who live in the real world where they're accepting of other people/things, it was perfectly fine.
as he likes to go say 'hello' to other dogs and not all of them respond nicely.
Well there you go prezet, you clearly have an uncontrollable vicious dog that is there to wreck TeeJ's New World Order. 😆
Oh! Dear God DD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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But there is! Its Bravisimo. I'm so disappointed. I thought your life was all red carpets, film premiers, yachts in Cannes, and having Carly Simon write songs about you 🙁
prezet - Membercookeaa - I can definitely say I fall into Group B
wrong - yo think its acceptable for adog to annoy others and you think its the non dog owners responsibility to cope with this.
If a dog if walking with it's owner (off the lead) and gently walks up to a passer by and has a 'sniff' you assume it's not under control.
correct it is not under control wether 'cos the owner has failed to keep it under control or is unable to. the dog should be called to heel and should go to heel immediatly.
having Carly Simon write songs about you
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Thought that was Warren Beatty or James Taylor, no?
Have to give something back every so often you know binbins. 😛
DD It wouldnt occur to me that you are anything other than a responsible dog owner and none of my comments are aimed at you in my first post.
You cant deny however that there are a number of irresponsible dog owners whose dogs are actually a threat to other peoples safety, as well as a threat to health.
People have a right not to be harrassed by other peoples dogs and this is the crux of it. Dog owners assume strangers should love their dogs as well.
AA hit the nail on the head with the mud comment. This is often the mentality of some owners.
Prezet - why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me? I don't like it, I don't want your dog to do this. Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.
as he likes to go say 'hello' to other dogs and not all of them respond nicely.
Theres a rather large dog that takes exception to me running every time he see's me. He seems to want to say "hello" as well 🙄 Get over yourself!
Sadly TJ, we don't all live in your utopian world... I for one am glad, that there are people who can actually learn to live with others in a tolerant society.
Dog owners assume strangers should love their dogs as well.
Some dog owners. The minority IME.
EDIT: It's too easy. Now I'm just being silly.
why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me?
Enough TJ. Even I dont get my knickers in a bunch just being in the proximity of dogs. I just dont like the ones that want to bite me usually.
Group 'A' - Mostly arseholes, who fail to control their stupid Mutt, let it shit everywhere, chase and scare kids and abuse anyone who dares to question to their control over, or suitability to own the Witless, Bastardised, Descendant of a Pack Hunter...Group 'B' - Responsible owners, cognisant of the fact that their animal poses a Potential threat due to its inherited biological imperatives and instincts, and hence actually control the animal. This group also always pick up and dispose of their Dogs faeces properly (not just the ones other people happen to notice)...
Dog owners: Put yourself in a group, A or B, then decide who's corner you are fighting. I've not seen very much criticism on this thread aimed toward groub B.
Prezet - why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me? I don't like it, I don't want your dog to do this. Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.
She probably wouldn't want to sniff you anyway - she's smelt enough sh*t to last a lifetime... so you're perfectly safe.
Did we ever resolve the issue about cats in bins?
All parents assume everybody wants to hear and see their kids, let them interrupt adult conversations with their nonsensical, annoying and incomprehensible witterings.
You are incorrect DD. I do not just disuade my own children from doing this I also scour the country acting as a buffer between other peoples children to ensure other unsuspecting adults do not have their conversations interrupted.
See my EDIT surfer. It's plain silly to make sweeping generalisations though isn't it? Wouldn't you agree?
It's plain silly to make sweeping generalisations though isn't it?
Are you familiar with the concept of Internet Forums DD? 😀
It was subtle enough even for me DD.
You would not recognise yourself in my first point and I aimed my remarks at inconsiderate dog owners. Of which in my experience there are many.
Responsible ones are always welcome.
Did we ever resolve the issue about cats in bins?
I think cats can go in bins as long as they're dead first. How they become dead is a matter for further discussion.
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prezet - MemberSadly TJ, we don't all live in your utopian world... I for one am glad, that there are people who can actually learn to live with others in a tolerant society.
Its you that refuses to learn to live with others. according to you I have to accept and tolerate your dog not being controlled.
You are imposing upon me.
This is the bit many dog owner simply won't accept - they think their behaviour is acceptable when it is not.
I do not want your dog to come up to me at all. that is my right. Your duty is to control your dog so it does not annoy, harrass or distress me or anyone else in any way. Yu love your dog. I do not. Why do you think it is acceptable for the foul smelling, disease spreading animal to come up to me at all?
Its you that refuses to learn to live with others.
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My pooch is very timid/nervous of strangers so I'd be very grateful if all you self-righteous, sanctimonious humans can keep yourselves and your offspring under control & away from her when we're out walking.
Ta very much.
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Great minds think alike!
Indeed they do!
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Prezet - why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me? [b]I don't like it[/b], I don't want your dog to do this. Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.
TJ - I thought (for a while) that we had the same opinion on this.
But it appears we don't.
You sound totally whiny and pathetic here to be perfectly honest.
My only issue is with bounding/running dogs, that are not returning despite their owners commands. Because that makes me assume that the owners hasn't trained the dog well enough, and doesn't know the dog well enough to know what it might do. So I can't predict what it might do either.
I have no issue whatsoever with a dog calmly walking around, exploring the area and the people in it.
And to be honest if you do have an issue with that, then it's your problem, not everyone elses.
TJ, You are perhaps being a bit harsh here, I'm happy to accept "Prezet" and some others do fall into "Group B" rond my way the "Group A's" are the majority, that might well be due to the location. From what he's said it seems he has a Responsible attitude to Dog ownership and understanding of what it means to Control an animal.
My Daughter loves the odd friendly (and under owner control) Dog that she gets to stroke in the park, My Missus is far more nrvous than me about Dogs and I can always hear a tense murmur from her when any Dog comes within about 20 foot, but she controls the nerves, it does help if the owner is with the dog, and the dog is responding to commands/looking to the owner for approval (not half way across the park shouting at and being ignored by the dog) this generally suggests control and a good level of training are in place and working...
The trouble is that most of the Dogs we seem to encounter are not what I would consider to be under control, I'm sure it's down to where we live (a large Town, and We're local to a large public park popular with alot of people/Dog walkists of all ilks), this along with having kids, probably does colour my view of the issue.
TJ, You are perhaps being a bit harsh here, I'm happy to accept "Prezet" and some others do fall into "Group B" rond my way the "Group A's" are the majority, that might well be due to the location. From what he's said it seems he has a Responsible attitude to Dog ownership and understanding of what it means to Control an animal.
he clearly does not as he thinks it acceptable for the dog to go up to people that do not know it and he will not control the dog.
he also thinks to go back to the OP that in that case the father was wrong and should have accepted the dog scaring his child. rather than dealing with this issue he then mocks and denigrates people who don't want the dog to come up to them.
I do not want your dog to come up to me and that is my right. if you fail to stop the dog doing so then the dog is not under control. No if but of ands.
If you do not appreciate this then you are simply another selfish dog owner that thinks your dog has rights greater than mine.
TJ - You sound totally whiny and pathetic here to be perfectly honest.
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