[Closed] SOME dog owners make me very angry.....

Some folks just walk around brewing their rhetoric, going over it in their internal dialogue, ever ready for a fight.

Pity them, move on, try not to be angry.

Funny that's the impression I got, that they were almost pushing me for a reaction

There are lots of angries about, they're everywhere!

Cheeriness always wins.

I struggle with long sentences, summary?

I agree with some of the things you say mainly that when thedog was called it should have returned to the owner, but:

Dogs do not need to be on a lead because a livestock sign is up, that sign could of been there months and even if there was livestock in the field as long as they're a respectible distance and not chasing or playing amonst them then no harm done.

Maybe the dog owner was right to mention your reaction with your child. Maybe a better way to deal with it would have been to crouch down and talk / introduce the child and dog aas apposed to give the impression that if your dogs are loose then they are scary?

I maybe wrong but you said it was just sniffing and not being aggressive and just maybe your daughter needed reasuring.

I generally see worse behaviour from children in parks than dogs. Sometimes I wish all parents would use those leashes.

Amazing how I chunter on after a couple of glasses of red apologies!

21 I know what you mean about introducing etc. but she'd of shit brick he was a big lad she's a short arse and being a grey hound a bit flighty if you see what I mean? The sign specifically states dogs on leads but that wasn't my bug bare but I will try the introduction thing next time.

Deadlyfarcy I also agree with that sentiment, but I used a choke chain from an early age and always carry poo bags when out so she's well behaved generally.....

deadlydarcy - Member

I generally see worse behaviour from children in parks than dogs

I have never had a child steal my picnic or sniff my crotch nor jump up and try to lick my face - let alone run up and bite me

I have never had a child steal my picnic or sniff my crotch nor jump up and try to lick my face - let alone run up and bite me

Clearly I have some misconceptions about Scotland. I'm going to blame Mel Gibson in this instance.

Maybe the dog owner was right to mention your reaction with your child. Maybe a better way to deal with it would have been to crouch down and talk / introduce the child and dog aas apposed to give the impression that if your dogs are loose then they are scary?

That's for the OP to decide, not some dog owner when they can't control their dogs. Extremely inconsiderate IMO.

EDIT: Can't be bothered.

OP: I was merely taking the mick...but I think you got that. It would appear it's too much for TeeJ though.

[s]Do NOT wreck this thread TeeJ. Behave for once.[/s] TJ, HEEL!

I struggle with long sentences, summary?

As a dog owner I'm very conscious that even though he's good and obeys commands, someone else doesn't know that. So I always make sure he's with me if we're passing other people because I don't know if they're nervous around dogs. It's just respect and courtesy.

Scarypants thank you, was trying desperately to come up with something like that!

It is a difficult one. I have 2 Boxers. One young and one old.

I will put them on the leads if I see young kids because of the sometimes negative reaction. Generally it's fine but I've had one incident where the women went mad. The dog was no where near her child. I'm sorry to say she got the full vented anger and with her being the best part of 25stone it was her negative side I emphasised

I'm afraid to say, generally, kids, unlike in my day, seem to have this fear of dogs.

I've also had the opposite which is nice. Recently outside a cafe one day the woman asked if her young son, in a pram, could come and stroke the dogs. It was fine by me.

Also, I have a park locally. If it's sunny, or weather that brings families out I'll take them to the Forest. Once you are 500m away from the parking its nice and quiet.

I have never had a child steal my picnic or sniff my crotch nor
jump up and try to lick my face - let alone run up and bite me

Sounds like a normal afternoon with my 2 Year Old...

All dogs are thick. Dog owners (all of them) are worse...
How can anyone really care about a retarded Quadraped with a panchant for wiping its arse on your carpet and chewing toddlers faces off...

I know I'll get flamed - but I agree with the dog walkers. They didn't really do anything wrong. Really, their dog should have returned when called, if it didn't return, then they should have walked over and returned it manually.

If your child doesn't like dogs, don't walk in an area popular with dog walkers? Kind of feel your initial comment was a bit OTT.

All dogs are thick. Dog owners (all of them) are worse...
How can anyone really care about a retarded Quadraped with a panchant for wiping its arse on your carpet and chewing toddlers faces off...

🙄 Well done.

Ta

Apparently if you've got a dog it's free to do what the **** it wants sod every one else,

you now understand 80% of dog owners psycology

for the other 20% they actually make sure their dog doesn't spoil your day so you don't even know they are there

to boot I then tripped over a massive dog egg

sorry it must be some other animals as [b][u]all[/u][/b] dog owners pick them up 😉

I have a [s]park[/s] [i]dog toilet[/i] locally

everyone knows that public parks are dog toilets, the provision of child play space, sports pitches etc is secondary to the primary purpose of giving dogs somewhere to sh1t

their dog should have returned when called, if it didn't return, then they should have [s]walked over and returned it manually[/s][i]had it on a lead as they clearly have no control[/i]

cookeaa - Member

"I have never had a child steal my picnic or sniff my crotch nor
jump up and try to lick my face - let alone run up and bite me"

Sounds like a normal afternoon with my 2 Year Old...

I do hope you keep your child on a lead then 🙂

I think, as always in the things, the middle ground would be most acceptable. Clearly, their dog should have returned when it was called. Your initial comment was probably a bit OTT and wound them up a bit. And their response (and really, in whatever accent) was a bit OTT too.

I would, however, counsel that you get your kids used to dogs - because TeeJ's dog-free utopia isn't going to happen anytime soon. I see people instilling fear of animals into their kids all the time - but as a parent, it's up to you what you decide you child should and should not be afraid of. I wouldn't ever question your right to do that.

Fair enough to pick her up if she was distressed but once you realised the dog wasn't going to eat her face off, maybe let her stroke the dog and see that it's not some scary animal. "She's a nit nervous and because your dog didn't come back when called I was just being cautious". If someone said that to me, it would get the message across very quickly that the person wasn't happy that my dog had approached his or her child.

Let's all just be nice to one another. 🙂

[i]As a dog owner I'm very conscious that even though he's good and obeys commands, someone else doesn't know that. So I always make sure he's with me if we're passing other people because I don't know if they're nervous around dogs. It's just respect and courtesy.[/i]

Rickos has it spot on for me.

Just to reiterate Amelie is used to dogs and loves dogs especially her grandmas it's just BIG bouncy dogs she gets nervous around, which is justified, I would probably be nervous of something bouncy around me trying to lick me that was bigger than me! She certainly isn't wrapped up in cotton wool she had a tough start in life so she's made of sterner stuff.

OP, I understand what you're saying and I wasn't insinuating that you wrap her in cotton wool. You're her parent - it's up to you what you do with her.

Some folks just walk around brewing their rhetoric, going over it in their internal dialogue, ever ready for a fight.

This ^

Personally, I dont think you should have called them out on their dogs behaviour, that you said was initially fine, just because your daughter was slightly more nervous than before.
The owners could and should have retrived their dog at your request... but your opening statement to them seems to be the most aggressive in the bunch.

a posh clearly educated gent sorry turd

Yeah see this is the problem with writing on forums, difficult to express my tone but I can ensure you there was no aggression in my tone more defeated in their poor analysis of the situation

Yeah see this is the problem with writing on forums,

I apologise. I did not mean to say you were being aggressive. (darn forums) But.. as the dog owner, I would have asked "what do you want me to do?"
-which would have been thought as I go get the dog-

But his lady friend went a little out of control.
I'm with Don on that one.

I referred to him as a turd I didn't call him a turd to his face!? Though I maybe should have

[i]"come on control your dog a bit better you can see she's a little nervous"[/i]

Instead of, 'you couldn't grab your dog could you please, just that she's a bit scared of big dogs thats all, thanks!'

Dogs do not need to be on a lead because a livestock sign is up

Thats fine, ignore the sign if you want.

But, if your dog and it is an 'if' decides to play tag with a new born lamb don't expect the farmer to give your dog a further warning before he showers it with red hot lead! 😯

What is it with dog owners not taking responsibility? I don't understand how it is that a child does not have a right not to be intimidated by uncontrolled dogs.

My daughter loves animals, including dogs, but we often get dogs bounding up to her in the park and frankly she is sometimes terrified when they are the larger breeds.

If you have a dog it is your moral responsibility to stop it intimidating and frightening other people, especially small children.

I would suggest that just as we MTB'ers should expect to cycle considerably when around others, maybe owners of dogs that do not respond to commands should expect to keep then on a lead when around others. Most dog walkers I see are in control of their animals, but there's always the 20% who aren't.

I referred to him as a turd I didn't call him a turd to his face!? Though I maybe should have

But.. as the dog owner, I would have asked "what do you want me to do?"

-which would have been thought as I go get the dog

[b]FENTON![/b]

Are you within your rights to kick the dog to get it to move away from you? Why do dog owners presume because they don't mind something that sniffs dogs arses sniffing them, it's alright for the rest of the public to get the same attention?

Thats fine, ignore the sign if you want.

But, if your dog and it is an 'if' decides to play tag with a new born lamb don't expect the farmer to give your dog a further warning before he showers it with red hot lead!

Yeah. They might end up like these two.

[url] http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Shot-dead-by-farmers-gun-20102011.htm [/url]

big_n_daft - how about not assuming that people enjoying a day out don't want to have to enjoy it in the company of your dog

They didn't really do anything wrong.

Really, their dog should have returned when called, if it didn't return, then they should have walked over and returned it manually.

So 2 things they did wrong.

"come on control your dog a bit better you can see she's a little nervous"

Instead of, 'you couldn't grab your dog could you please, just that she's a bit scared of big dogs thats all, thanks!'

Yes, he could maybe have been a bit more diplomatic, but it's not all on him to make everything go smoothly- he was just minding his own business before the dogs showed up. Don't the dog owners have to take any responsibility?

Just taken my two dogs for a quick walk to be greeted by 20+ screaming and shouting kids. Did spot one adult with them so assumed they have just come from the Ski centre so a little hyper.

Wife says shall we turn around. I said no.

I did think it ironic after this thread.

He/she was accepting to the idea of a dog in their life to begin with. I suppose it becomes an issue of who was there first if you want to go that route

Don't the dog owners have to take any responsibility?

no they are dog owners, they don't take responsilbility for anything from poop to attacks on humans 😉

Regardless of your hate for dogs, dog owners, or little children..
I have decided, for us all, it was a problem with lack of diplomacy for both parties.
-Dog did nothing undoglike.
-little girl did nothing unlittlegirllike
-Little girl owner called out the dog owners for his childs unrest.
-Dog owner decided it was his fault that a little girl can get scared.

Scenerio should have gone as follows:
"Hey, can you get your dog please? Thanks."
"No problem. I apologise, he gets excited sometimes."
-both parties together-
"Gee, wow, we are happy people today"

I'll assume you didn't intend to compare children to dogs. Kids are people, they presumably do have a right to be there, they have the right to be free, and they are entitled to enjoy themselves providing they are not breaking any laws.

A dog has no such right and should not cause a nuisance to others.

We all make mistakes but just have a little consideration for others.

Fed up with dogs, considering their habit of eating children and crapping all over the gaff Im amazed there not restricted to pooch parks.

you missed the bit about the dog owner taking dog control lessons and buying and using a lead to avoid future incidents 😉

Ginger, I am assuming you forgot about the part where the father told the child, "this situation is fine".
the offence was about, DOG OWNERS, not the dags.

Being a 'dog owner' has so far been the worst thing about being a dog owner over the last few months 🙁
I'm embarrassed by other dog owners almost every time I encounter them and their out of control dogs. Me and my dog have been repeated victims of out of control small yappy types. It happens so regularly that I am working on trying to keep my composure next time so I can stick my boot into the offending dogs chops. Generally though I'm concentrating on comforting my own terrified dog, and extracting myself from the area, I usually just hear a faint and distant "sorry!" from the feral dogs owner.

I live in the sticks and the gamekeeper is my neighbour, so I've now been able to move to quieter land. I've learned to stay away from areas populated by dog walkers.

Edit: And what is it about going to the Vets?! Because I don't 'talk' to my animal in baby language I'm considered somehow strange and eyed with suspicion. They're animals, they need commanding.
Vet waiting rooms are a whole new level of hell I had before now been blissfully un-aware of.

Should have just booted the mutt in the chops..... they wouldnt have been so posh/fluent then

Should have just booted the mutt in the chops..... they wouldnt have been so posh/fluent then

I love STW - in how completely intolerant of others some seem to be here. Considering it's a mountain biking forum, I'd have assumed most like to be outside near nature and the fresh air...

Yet all I see on the threads are people moaning about dog owners, walkers and anyone else that might happen to disturb their otherwise utopian existence.

How about just assuming that others cannot possibly live up to the heady heights of the rules you live by and learn to share the same spaces together?

FWIW I think buttercup has the attitude bang on.

I have never had a child steal my picnic or sniff my crotch nor jump up and try to lick my face - let alone run up and bite me

TJ you don't go to the right parks, or you're using the wrong bait!!

A dog off the lead is fine; if it's under control, as the law states.
However, many people just can't, or won't, properly control their animals.
A large dog especially should be properly trained so it will return to its owner immediately;
if it doesn't, then the owner's failing themselves, their animal, and people who share the space with them.
My brother and sister-in-law have two dogs, their first, a golden Lab, is very intelligent, and has been thoroughly trained to respond to commands at all times. The latest, Mac, is, not to be too unkind, the sharpest button in the box, so is getting professional training sessions. As he's around three foot tall at the shoulder, and weighs 61/2 stone at six months old, making sure his exuberant personality doesn't end up with a five year old flattened underneath him is of paramount importance. As he's very fluffy and cuddly looking, kids are going to be all over him, being correctly trained means he won't be all over the kids.
That's what being a responsible owner entails.
Good to see Don Simon's being his usual reasonable, personable self on here.

Good to see Don Simon's being his usual reasonable, personable self on here.

Amos, some dog owners just cannot accept that other people have absolutely no interest in their dogs. Just kick the bloody thing next time, I do!

Have you thought about dealing with your fear Oxboy? You cand get treatment if you're scared of dogs or perhaps you'll simply grow out of it.
Good luck anyway.
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I haven't been in that situation THANKFULLY but I think if anyone kicked one of my dogs that would be an instant K.O, no questions, no discussion.

pjm84 - Member
I haven't been in that situation THANKFULLY but I think if anyone kicked one of my dogs that would be an instant K.O, no questions, no discussion.

🙄

Really? Ffs it's a dog. An animal that has no place in our natural environment and exists only as a folly for a minority of people and you'd commit a criminal act without any concern for the build up of events that led to the preceding situation?

gingerss - Member
Really? Ffs it's a dog. An animal that has no place in our natural environment and exists only as a folly for a minority of people and you'd commit a criminal act without any concern for the build up of events that led to the preceding situation?

he's a dog owner, do you really think that anything matters more than [b]FENTON![/b] 😉

Ginger. Did you just read what you wrote?

Yes I did. I wouldn't ever condone violence to an animal or person. I would certainly challenge any person who I saw doing such a thing, but threatening to knock someone out as retaliation for hitting a dog is ridiculous.

Any dog that is so excitable/poorly trained or just plain thick should be kept on a lead. It has no right annoying anyone other than his owner.

If a big mutt jumps at me, I ask the owner to please take it away as I don't like them. Only once have they not done so. They got told move it, or Ill kick it away,and theyd get the next boot in the scrote. There is no reason for not controlling your dog. In the event it does annoy some poor sod, you should apologise immediately.

I have a dog and I keep it under control at all times. I also keep my kids under control and do not let them run up and annoy random dogs. They are told to ask the owner if they can pet them first.

Perfectly reasonable IMHO.

Condoning violence is one thing.. but let's back it up here..

A dog.. no place in [s]our[/s] natural environment.

Holy. Living. Christ. You are aware that a dog, like a human, is an animal. A mammal? bred and LIVING on the planet earth. With designed thought and needs such as oxygen, food, and forms of shelter?
I am not sure what environment you live in where humans solely run the show, but I assure you is is not Earth.

A dog, is just the same as a child. Just about as useful. Just as much love given to it. if a child ran up and touched a strangers leg, and said stranger gave the child a smack.. would you accept that? Why would you accept it if it were furry and quadrapedal?

I hate to be rude here, but you are a fool. I am assuming you are in the same category of people who bought a carbon 6in travel bike because it was 10 ouncess lighter than the 2k cheaper bike.

--getting back to the topic.. We are talking about Dog owners being slightly rude.. or have we segwayed into a humantist fascist eutopia storyline?

A dog.. no place in our natural environment.
Holy. Living. Christ. You are aware that a dog, like a human, is an animal. A mammal? With designed thought and needs such as oxygen, food, and forms of shelter?
I am not sure what environment you live in where humans don't run the show, but I assure you is is not Earth

I thought dogs were domesticated animals that exist as a species because of humans, humans on the other hand, would exist regardless to the existence of dogs 😀

[b]A dog, is just the same as a child[/b]. Just about as useful. Just as much love given to it. if a child ran up and touched a strangers leg, and said stranger gave the child a smack.. would you accept that? Why would you accept it if it were furry and quadrapedal?

🙄

A dog as we understand it arrived here through selective breeding. Just trying to differentiate it's right to freedom relative to other animals that exist in our environment.

Whether I am a fool or not is obviously a matter of your opinion, just have some consideration for others when you are or with your dog, and I will have consideration for you and your dog.

Domestication is a human design indeed. But they would still be there with or without us. Once again.. on earth. Within the ecosystem.

I don't think anyone wants to really kick a dog. It's more of a threat to get the owner to look after his dog properly. As the saying goes, ' There is no bad dogs, just bad owners.'

But they would still be there with or without us.

errrr no, the original species would be taking a different evolutionary path and you wouldn't get a Poodle as part of that 😉

I don't think anyone wants to really kick a dog

Has anyone seen............... [b]FENTON![/b] 😉

Poodle as in the groomed show dog, or one of the most intelligent breed of dog known to the species?
No matter the hair cut, it would still be around.

P.S. BnD, thank you for getting Fenton into my life. It has made my night significantly better. 🙂

buttercup - Member
Poodle as in the groomed show dog, or one of the most intelligent breed of dog known to the species?
No matter the hair cut, it would still be around.

for the avoidance of doubt, you believe that poodles would exist regardless of any interaction with man by any of the canine species for the last 200,000 years?

Domestication is a human design indeed. But they would still be there with or without us. Once again.. on earth. Within the ecosystem.

are you God? I don't understand how you discount the species becoming extinct through normal evolutionary processes

I've been very lucky with dog ownership. I am self employed. When we took on a six month old, nervous wreck of a lurcher from the Dogs' Trust, I was able to sit up for the first fortnight dealing with his night terrors without fear of being late for work the next day. Lucky, I know.

I was able to clean up his double incontinence at 4a.m. and hose down his cage in the freezing night, before going back inside to wipe him down and resettle him.

His training sessions were frequent - two or three a day before walks for pleasure. This meant working until the early hours to keep my clients happy. I was able to look into various training methods and apply those which worked for the pair of us. Like I say, I've been lucky, and I daresay he has too.

He still isn't perfect - he sometimes takes off after wildlife and ignores me - he's a lurcher - that's generations of training for you. Try calling a greyhound off a rabbit; good luck.

All that said, I now specialise in photographing other peoples' dogs and and am constantly amazed by the total lack of training - most of my client's dogs aren't allowed of the leash (which is a right pain in the arse as it has to be photoshopped out) and very few will 'Sit!'. Surely 'Sit' is the most basic of all commands?

Sorry for the long rambling post - all I wanted to say was that it's really not that hard to invest some time training a dog - it can be done whilst watching the telly. I hope that when Kasper (the current dog) carks it, I'll have learnt some valuable lessons on training the next one, if I can lift my weeping face from my pillow 🙂