[Closed] Sodding Windows 10.

a mac will do exactly the same.

You'll have received the recent update, which as per nearly all updates finishes off on start up.

I understand your frustration, but I do wonder why everyone cries and moans about Windows updates, but gets a chubby for Mac updates.

Same thing happened on the home PC a couple of days ago. Im told it tool a while to finish off.
The complaining seems to have stopped, so I assume its ok now.

[quote=P-Jay ]I understand your frustration, but I do wonder why everyone cries and moans about Windows updates, but gets a chubby for Mac updates.

Dunno, especially as Apple seems to have given up on OSX/computers.

http://arrival.io/

It does seem to update at the worst possible time and then when it eventually reboots the F&%£ mouse or some other driver has gone missing.

sit tight, it can take anything from 30-90 minutes depending on how crap your PC is.

Think that is the massive anniversary update. Took mine about 90mins on start up. Might as well head out for a coffee/ride/weekly shop etc.

a mac will do exactly the same.

No they don't. Macs only do updates when you authorise them to.

You'll get a notification on the App store icon and you can pick the parts you want to update.

No they don't. Macs only do updates when you authorise them to.

unless you have auto updates turned on. A bit like Windows really.

Linux FTW.

At least the Linux and OSX can do the upgrade in situ, even while bits that are being updated are still running, and not save all the updates to be applied when everything is shut down/restarted.
90 min is excessive. didn't even take that long to install and apply updates in the first place on mine.

edit: and I'm sure all 3 platforms have the ability to either autoinstall or let user choose when and what.

Hopefully the OP is razzing around the woods now on a sneaky ride, safe in the knowledge that no work can happen.

53% complete now. Seriously thinking of buggering off for a ride. Unless the boss (who is on here) reads this, in which case the reason I'm not answering the phone is because I'm busy filing invoices or something...

My laptop did the update a few days ago, took an age so went out for a bit while it did it's thing. Now the right hand mouse button no longer works and it doesn't recognise the printer.

It's like they're trying to get me to buy a new computer 😐

I don't get the moaning, if you dont like it turn automatic updates off and update when it suits you.
Thevrecent update was a big one so it does take a while.

FWIW, my PC updated a couple of days ago. Other than some slight changes to the "Start" menu I've not noticed any difference.

a mac will do exactly the same

No it won't mac's download updates in the background, many don't need a restart amd those that do take just a few minutes. The annual Operating System new version update (optional) can takenanwhile tonfldownload but thats easy to do overnight.

Good luck OP hopefully your printer/scanner will still work

the anniversary update was/is not optional

yes it will lose some important driver or other
yes it will default a load of settings that you have carefully tuned over the recent months
yes it will add everything to its startup list
yes the boot time will increase significantly

yes you can roll it back if it really mangles your machine - but only within 10days of the update.

yes it will lose some important driver or other
yes it will default a load of settings that you have carefully tuned over the recent months
yes it will add everything to its startup list
yes the boot time will increase significantly

Thats the benefits of windows, right there.

Every update our windows machine did, fekked it up, little by little.. thats why Msreickmeister insisted on a new Windows 10 machine.... and whats just happened ... ?

I've possibly been a bit slow on the uptake, but I now foresee a problem in a couple of years time where Windows forces the latest features onto creaky old laptops making them unusable before their time.

Where we would/could have hung onto Windows XP/Vista/7/8 indefinitely (albeit insecurely) people will either have to move to Linux or (probably more likely) bin their laptop.

With my conspiracy hat on... Has an planned side-effect of the free Windows 10 been a ruse to revive flagging PC sales of recent years (Where MS make money from PC manufacturers from licensing)?

EDIT: For the record - I hate having forced updates. While it may make sense for most novice/every-day users, I personally find it a right pain in the arse.

Well, an hour later and I'm finally able to do some work. Yay....

I can't remember the last time I did a hard shutdown of a laptop (other than to choose to do so for update reasons).

If you go to the Update settings, you can set Active Hours. Windows Update won't auto restart during Active Hours. You can also go to Advanced Options and check "Use my sign in to automatically setting up my device after an update."

If you set those correctly and leave your machine running overnight, when you come back in the morning, it will be all ready to go.

mac's download updates in the background, many don't need a restart amd those that do take just a few minutes. The annual Operating System new version update (optional) can takenanwhile tonfldownload but thats easy to do overnight.

This is basically the same as Windows, except the OS is updated twice a year these days.

i dont want to leave my netbook plugged in and 'on' all the time

having rolled back to the prev build, what do i need to do to ensure it doesnt f***update itself again?

I'm sure there's several settings for Windows updates - something along the lines of:

- update automatically
- download updates & notify when ready to be installed
- don't do anything with updates unless I tell you to

Just fiddle with the settings until you find one that suits your requirements.....

There was a thread just yesterday (or maybe the day before) about how to update the W10 auto-update settings.

Great. Excel is no longer working...

a mac will do exactly the same.

No it won't. It'll download the updates without you noticing then ask you when you'd like them installed. I let mine do it overnight so the worst I have to do is a restart.

No it won't mac's download updates in the background, many don't need a restart amd those that do take just a few minutes.

Most Windows updates do that too. The ones that don't need a restart, you don't notice them do you?

No it won't. It'll download the updates without you noticing then ask you when you'd like them installed.

Same as Windows - except it's not the default.

No it won't.

it will! Just like in windows, there are settings to make it behave differently as to how you want it to....

Is it just [i]THE[/i] thing to do, moan about microsoft and their products?

Is it just THE thing to do, moan about microsoft and their products?

yup.

though when applied to their phones is entirely valid 🙂

though when applied to their phones is entirely valid

You know, I had a nokia a few years ago running WP and never had any bother, did everything i wanted it too. Much better than this Samsung piece of shit that i've got now!

Only when it makes my life harder. I resent having to bugger about with settings just to stop it doing things when I want rather than when they want. Got better things to do with my Friday than faff for ages after waiting for an hour that I was going to be spent on swearing at Gantt charts... Computers don't play a massive part in my job, so it's not something I do every day. Think I'd rather be on site with the guys lifting 60kg light units 70m up the side of a tower. Rigging a 3:1 hauling system and tight line 6 times would be so much easier than this...

Windows allows shut down or shut down and install if configured. Otherwise just hit shutdown and walk away or for a laptop close the lid, what's the problem?

Windows allows shut down or shut down and install if configured. Otherwise just hit shutdown and walk away or for a laptop close the lid, what's the problem?

Win 10 AU still waits for each person to login before doing it's post-install actions.

But the fundamental problem is that Microsoft can and do break things without telling you first or giving the option to opt-out. Win 10 is different to all previous versions in this regard.

Win 10 AU still waits for each person to login before doing it's post-install actions.

That's a setting you can change (it'll log you in, update and log out again). It doesn't do it by default for security reasons.

Yesterday morning I set up our PC at home all logged in and ready to buy some tickets when they went on sale at 9am (Iron Maiden since you ask). So I take our kids to school and rush back *just* in time to get the tickets at 9am and...

Yep - it had decided it was time to start doing an update and it was 4% in to what it said could be a long wait.

FFS

Anyway, fortunately I had my Mac in my work bag, quickly opened it up and logged on. One minute later and I had my tickets.

I hate PCs and Windows in particular.

Don't use them then.

I don't get this wah wah Linux / Mac / Windows argument. Pick your format, no-one has a gun to your head.

Depends on your software requirements, Shirley

I'd just like to say thanks for the PSA. Saw all the moaning and so turned on the PC to let it do its thing. By the time I was ready it was done. Most of the time through I'm time crunched and so can see where the OP is coming from.

I've possibly been a bit slow on the uptake, but I now foresee a problem in a couple of years time where Windows forces the latest features onto creaky old laptops making them unusable before their time.

You're slow, it runs on my ancient Inspiron 9300.

Though now you mention it...

I've possibly been a bit slow on the uptake, but I now foresee a problem in a couple of years time where Apple forces the latest features onto perfectly capable older iPads making them unusable before their time.

Learn from the best!

http://arrival.io/
- LOL Thunderbolt! I forgot that was even a thing.

Aside; my bro used to use an apple laptop to interface with his sound desk. One day he gets an update, and discovers that it'll no longer connect to the desk. He speaks to Apple and they tell him that yes, the latest update means he can no longer connect to external hardware using that type of cable, he'll need to get a new, genuine cable. He says, where can I get this genuine cable? Apple say, oh, we don't make one. OK, how do I roll back the update? You can't. This of course is an Apple feature, protecting your enjoyment of your iproduct.

(I think he got it going again with a dodgy image off the internet and by disabling updates)

the-muffin-man - Member
a mac will do exactly the same.
No they don't. Macs only do updates when you authorise them to.

You'll get a notification on the App store icon and you can pick the parts you want to update

I can see us soon going back to the bad old days of 500 page instruction manuals (that no one reads anyway) just to stop people complaining about shit like this.

Niether of my home machines are win10 compatible. The Tech office at work chose to stick with Win7 for the whole organisation. Win Win by the sounds of it.

So has everyone been to settings, declared the quiet times and said notify before a restart???

Of course not, next update the salt will be getting mined all over again.

WTF is the rationale behind W10 resetting your prefs?

Speaking of updates, i just had to explain to someone whose machine has updated itself from W7 and who is on a 3Mb broadband that they have to leave the computer on for a whole day to do all the updates and background tasks before they can actually use their machine again. It was ususable becase it was so busy, didn't have any HDD time left and incomplete system files/prefs. :/

(On a 3.2GHz i5 with 8GB of RAM)

Awesome, not.

cannot find the quiet times settings, any further clues please?

also not sure if it will just download the update again in the future, or if by rolling back to the previous build thats it

Press start, type updates, then Windows Updates in settings should pop up - top win 10 tip is just to type what you want after pressing start
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Speaking of updates, i just had to explain to someone whose machine has updated itself from W7 and who is on a 3Mb broadband that they have to leave the computer on for a whole day to do all the updates and background tasks before they can actually use their machine again. It was ususable becase it was so busy, didn't have any HDD time left and incomplete system files/prefs. :/

On settings and such, there is an option to back up your preferences. I never and got caught out but that was my own fault.

Go faster - its not a Dell laptop is it? Sounds similar to our Inspiron N5010.

There's a setting somewhere that allows windows to update a bit like (I imagine) a torrent works, using other local machines that already have it loaded. Might help if your office broadband's slow

It's in Settings, Updates Advanced setting, choose how updates are delivered.
There's a load of stuff in there that addresses most, if not all of the points above.

The Anniversary Update is basically Win 10.2. It's a new version of Windows. More than a service pack even.

I can say for certain that major version updates of a lot of Linux distributions cause all kinds of havoc on upgrading and require a lot of effort and forum browsing to fix it. Usually the advice is that you shouldn't be upgrading but should wipe and start again (used to see that about Fedora upgrades all the time, and they were frequent every six months or so and kind of mandatory as if you got two versions out of date, you're unsupported).

I suspect OSX version upgrades also mess or reset things. Though they aren't mandatory I guess.

richmars - Member 
It's in Settings, Updates Advanced setting, choose how updates are delivered.
There's a load of stuff in there that addresses most, if not all of the points above.

^^^ This.

There is also a defer option, although that's not available to 'Home' users.

andytherocketeer - Member 
At least the Linux and OSX can do the upgrade in situ, even while bits that are being updated are still running

Kind of, but a lot of people miss all the manual config updates they need to be doing with many of them. The updates are generally silent, or wiz past if you manually run the update commands, but often in there are instructions that this or that has been deprecated and you need to edit a config or install something different. Most people don't get to see this and continue on blindly until they realise that component isn't actually working.

I've lost count of the number of times I've had to spend hours on Linux forums trying to find out how to fix broken updates, and those forums are not very helpful. Attitude is that you should be sandal wearing wizard level Linux genius and have worked it out yourself.

thank you to the helpful ones

ok, so as a home user and with no updates waiting to install (at present) there is no option that i can see to set "quiet times"

i will investigate further regarding backup of preferences.

when the rest of you BetaTesting Anniversary updaters have worked out how to fix the boot time* please let me know and I might try again.

*i dont mean simply disabling options on the startup tab in task manager, that helped (90secs) but nowhere near enough.

Set the second one I put the pic up of to notify to schedule updates.

Ive got "notify to schedule restart"
but not the timing options shown in the pic above, mine does say no updates available currently

3. How to block the Anniversary Update on Windows 10 Home PCs

Although Windows 10 Home doesn't include the "Defer upgrades" feature, you can temporarily prevent the Anniversary Update from downloading on your PC.

On Windows 10, you get a feature to tell the operating system that you're using a metered connection to access the internet. This feature is especially useful to reduce bandwidth usage on connections with data caps, public access Wi-Fi, and mobile hotspots, also, it prevents the operating system from downloading updates.

If you're not ready to deal with possible issues during and after the installation of the Anniversary Update, use the following instructions to delay Windows 10 updates using a metered connection.

Open Settings.
Click on Network & internet.
Click on Wi-Fi.

Click the Advanced options link.

Turn on the Set as metered connection option.

Once it's been a few weeks, Microsoft released new cumulative updates, and you feel that the update is ready, you can revert the settings to install the Windows 10 Anniversary Update on your PC.

The only caveat is that you can't specify an Ethernet connection as metered. It seems Microsoft believes that only those on Wi-Fi connect to the internet using capped connections.

However, if you're using Windows 10 Home on your desktop PC, and you want to delay the Anniversary Update, you can use this previous guide to set your Ethernet connection as metered on Windows 10.

After configuring a metered connection on your device, Windows Update won't download the Anniversary Update or any other update until you revert the changes.

[url= http://www.infoworld.com/article/3053701/microsoft-windows/block-windows-10-forced-updates-without-breaking-your-machine-part-2.html ]more here[/url]

Well it won't restart until you let it, you will get a pick my restart time.

If it's a desktop you can just sleep instead of shutdown, then it will do all the updating when you're not using it.

I'm using the home edition (or whatever it's called) and there's an 'Active time' you can set, which sounds like the reverse of the quiet time mentioned above.

I can say for certain that major version updates of a lot of Linux distributions cause all kinds of havoc on upgrading and require a lot of effort and forum browsing to fix it.

Upgrading from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS murdered a production web server I look after. PHP 5 is replaced by PHP 7 (IIRC) so it helpfully just uninstalls PHP completely. Installing PHP 7 threw up a load of compatibility issues with our home-grown code, even brute forcing 5.5 on there instead of 7 didn't work properly. I ended up doing a full system restore from backups to fix it.

Computers eh, who'd have 'em.

If it's a desktop you can just sleep instead of shutdown, then it will do all the updating when you're not using it.

Having updated (presumably overnight last night! didn't notice any issues with unexpected restarts, sorry) I have to report that Cortana is back and with no obvious way to kill him/her/it.

I've just gone through these steps to disable and get the search bar back - but haven't yet restarted to test it out so can't vouch for it.
http://www.howtogeek.com/265027/how-to-disable-cortana-in-windows-10/

I have to report that Cortana is back and with no obvious way to kill him/her/it.

Easy to do. Have you found the Cortana settings?

I have a 6 year old Toshiba i5 laptop which won't have anything to do with Win 10. I started with the upgrade from Win 7, which was OK until I tried to restart it. I fitted a brand new SSD and performed an absolutely clean install. Again, everything was brilliant until I restarted it then all the problems began again. Checking online brought up the news that Toshiba don't support old models like mine with Win 10 compatible driver updates, where I suspect the problem lies. Reverting to Win 7 now! Note to self: Never, ever buy another Toshiba product.

To be fair, it is 6 years old dude.

@scardey - no other machines around, but thay could help if there were.

@squirrel - no it's a DIY tower on socket 1156

To be fair, it is 6 years old dude.

Fair comment, thanks.

Never, ever buy another Toshiba product.

Fair.

I have a 7 year old HP with dual core Celeron, works fine with W10. Also an even older Sony Vaio P series (the tiny sub-netbook size) with one of the first Atom CPUs. It's so slow it can't even open most webpages quickly but W10 itself runs fine. To be fair I had to mess about a bit with the graphics driver, and use W7 drivers for some stuff - but still works well.

I'm [i]stunned [/i]that the Sony still works. I've had nothing but murders with VAIOs and drivers.

To be fair, it is 6 years old dude.

My Dell is eight years old, shipped with Vista and is smashing W10 out of the park. It's not just about age.

It's about whether they'd anything in it for them to extend support to such an old product.... Apparently not.

To be fair Sony don't actively support it. They did for W7 and they pretty much all worked. I did have to faff with it a bit mind. So perhaps not a good example after all 🙂

The HP did work though without issue.

My Sony Vaio is eight years old and was about to be confined to the bin but Windows 10 has given it a new lease of life.

Hey Sony owners - our VAIO HD died recently and took Windows with it. No sign of any DVD backup media.

I can't use the stcker code to download W7 as it's an OEM machine code... I'm guessing I should contact Sony, but that might take forever or where to actually contact* - any tips?

*"Just google it" would be my normal response too but I have next to no internet access most of the time

Download & install Win 10 instead? It's still accepting Win7 codes.. just installed it onto another laptop this morning, using an OEM code.

We might be able to, but

we quite liked having one W7 machine left 🙂

[url= http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/30/microsoft_windows_update_manager_job/ ]No surprise: Microsoft seeks Windows Update boss with 'ability to reduce chaos, stress'

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Further help
http://www.howtogeek.com/264325/how-to-set-active-hours-so-windows-10-wont-restart-at-a-bad-time/
Active Hours/Custom Reset Times etc. all the stuff people are moaning about should be in there.