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I think it’s the social media and keyboard warrior age weeksy. Opinions which were probably held can now be voiced and the fact they can probably exaggerates them.
There’s some proper angry fans out on BBC comments.
They’re all binners. He had 237 different log-ins on the Beeb at the last count. 113 to whinge about VAR, 57 to whinge about the Glazers, 46 to whinge about his sky subscription cost (because, let’s face it, he just watches from his sofa in Ramsbottom drinking Stella all the time), and the remaining 31 to comment variations on “it’s our year” memes.
Subtle!
Subtle
An adjective we all wish could be applied to binners. Never gonna happen.
Ancelotti is a terrible appointment, incredibly naive. He's like the Italian Maureen, star faded a long time ago.
Bravissimo has a very long memory. You need one of those when it’s 30 years since you won a title 😂
And for the record... I’ve been to more games at Anfield than you have over the last few seasons and I’m a Man Yoo fan
Got to love the plastic scousers 😃
And for the record… I’ve been to more games at Anfield than you have over the last few seasons and I’m a Man Yoo fan
Christ, I realise you’ve been desperate to watch some decent footie, but really, that desperate?
Play nicely boys . 🙂
Play nicely boys .
I hear Watford can play quite nicely. 😂
To be fair they played very well at Anfield the other week and could have caused a major upset had they taken any of several great chances. Them beating United doesn’t feel like an upset though.
Yeah, I had that down as a potential loss for Utd. No doubt that bottom of the table sides can beat mid-table sides any time.
Mrs Binners, as much of an ABU as Bravissimo here, had bet on Watford too. She’s loving this! Fair play to Watford. They were good, we were awful.
More surprised by Chelski playing Spurs off the park. Bonkers match. Especially the flying Cantona-esque Kung fu kick for the penalty
ABU? That was when they were winning trophies mate.
Aside from all that, bad stuff at the Spurs Chelsea game today. I hope that this is stuff that’s been there at a low level for a while and is just being tolerated less now and that it’s not happening more frequently. Not too sure which it is.
Depressing isn’t it? I think, unfortunately, it seems to be reflecting a lot more of this brainless idiocy in wider society
I’ve not heard open racism at a match for about 15 years. And that was an Engerland game.
On the one hand, I do think the number of cameras and technology in the grounds is picking up more of what has been going on. Also since Sterling re-ignited the discussion a couple of years ago, the media did some soul searching and are now more likely to highlight the issues. I would also say that 10+ plus years of austerity has lead to highly pressured lives and anger, and the populism of the past few years has based itself on and exploited nationalism and racism.
I kinda think that there are a few Neanderthal fans that are doing it for a reaction - from anyone, the ref, the players, the authorities, tv and the wider media. It’s just ****ing mad. I just don’t get it at all. They’re making monkey sounds at Rudiger, but if Moura or Sissoko scored, they’d be deliriously singing his name.
I’ve only ever experienced racism once at a football ground. At Anfield. Back in the early 2000s when they were playing Blackburn. A black linesman (as they were still known back then) was getting called all sorts of names by two guys in our section. I’d struggle to even write down some of them. To this day, I’m ashamed that I, or no one said anything. Later in the game, the same guys were going nuts when Paul Ince scored.
Great win for the Chels, I'm still buzzing over that.
Not gonna complain about anything although I did wonder how the ref initially called the penalty as a free kick to Sp*rs - very odd.
Nice to still be comfortably in the top 4 despite our recent poor run. Looking forward to heading to the Bridge on Boxing Day and hope we maintain our momentum against Southampton.
Great section on racism in the game from Gary Neville on Sky. Why does the Sky presenter have to say after clearly getting an earful from control "these are Gary Neville's views and not those of Sky"?
That's the shocking part for me. Neville quite rightly said 'well don't you agree?" to that statement
Cracking result for Utd today. Europa league places within sight now. Not bad for a mid-table side.
Ah, that went well for the title battle didn't it
Yeah, looks over. Top three looks sewn up to although Leicester could fall away a bit. There’ll be a big battle for 4th!
I think for Liverpool to now lose their grip on the title, would take a prolonged absence of VVD, I think they can handle losing an attacking player, but VVD would be as problematic as Laporte has been for city. I did think they would suffer more when Alison was out as well, but Adrian excelled as a backup.
I hope Guardiola now looks at it as an opportunity to give some of the youngsters more game time Garcia and Harwood-Bellis could be the fullback solutions given game time to develop. I don't think we are in danger of losing out on the top three so he has some leeway, if Liverpool do look like collapsing then priorities could change, but that doesn't look likely so concentrate on the CL and build for next year in the PL.
I think Liverpool would struggle if they lost their full-backs. They are both great going forward which is why Liverpool can be successful which a midfield composed of mainly functional players. It is not a very sophisticated system
Regarding City I too would like to see some of the younger defenders get some game time but think they need a leader alongside them - we are really missing Kompany.
Yep, they wouldn’t be as good going forward, but you wouldn’t be able to keep 4 world class full backs happy. Milner, Gomez and Clyne (if he’s still there?) are decent enough defensive full backs to have in reserve.
... a midfield composed of mainly functional players. It is not a very sophisticated system
😀 Love it.
Such a functional system should be easy to negate then, I guess?
I think Liverpool would struggle if they lost their full-backs. They are both great going forward which is why Liverpool can be successful which a midfield composed of mainly functional players. It is not a very sophisticated system
You mean the freebie and the £8.5m average full backs that Liverpool and klopp along with their system have turned into the best full backs on the planet?
When either have been out for a rest Liverpool have played the same system just as well with others
I realise Pep likes to send his sides out to tactically foul, but he probably needs to advise his keeper not to join in.
Well played Wolves coming back from 2-0 down. 6 points from the champions.
Tough on City that, playing so long with ten men. Wolves could have a good chance of top 4 finish!
Pep, how many goals ahead were you when you let the lead slip?
At this rate Liverpool will have the League down up before the Champions League starts up again. I'm almost disappointed at the lack of competition.
We have taken 6 points from the champions but only last season we conceded 6 points to Huddersfield. Funny old game!! It was a shame the match was again spoiled by VAR, never a penalty.
It was a penalty, according to current interpretation of the rules, he clearly stands on his foot and takes him down. First angle makes it look like a dive, but other angles it is clearer, however personally I am not sure it should be enough for a penalty, two players fighting for the same space put their feet into the same spot, one just a brief second after the other, it is harsh IMO, but there are many times I have seen what I considered accidental incidents in matches and the ex pros commentating state that the player committing the foul knew exactly what they was doing.
It is though, I think only the second pen given against the refs initial judgment that I have seen in the PL (the first was in the manchester derby) hopefully it is a change in the use of var to make sure it is the right decision rather than the trying to judge just how badly a ref got it wrong before deciding to overturn his decision. As long as they now stick to this, I think it is better than saying, "well if he is a bit wrong, just wrong or even very wrong, we will let the decision stand, but if the ref gets it very very wrong then we will consider overturning it" which seemed to be the system for most of the season so far.
Looks like a penalty to be fair. The re-take decision is a bit questionable for me - but letter of the law, I suppose... Looked to be encroachment by both teams. I think on balance, the result was fair on the night.
I can remember when Man U were in the second division 🤣
binners fumes.
Scenes.
😀
The commentators saying the ref should have stopped the game before city's first goal, but it was the Sheffield player who tried to pass through the ref, they created the incident not the refs fault. If the game gets stopped for that then defending teams will start kicking the ball towards the ref in the hope the game will be stopped and they can re-organise and relieve the pressure.
Binners,
Which decision was incorrect by var then?
I think VAR got both decisions correct, and was used correctly in Decision 1 (D1, the Lallana handball, where it reversed an obvious error) but I think VAR was wrongly used in D2.
Bear with me.
Once you ask it to rule on matters of millimetres and start drawing well meaning but ultimately arbitrary lines on where you think someone's armpit or toe is then you have to accept what outcome it gives you. That's what happened in D2, and it showed the Wolves player had started his run a few picoseconds early.
The issue is now we've got this concept of the irrefutable line and for all of Souness and the pundit's ****tering on, it doesn't matter if you change the law to say where you draw the line (feet, armpit, anywhere) or whether you say any bodypart onside is now onside (= more goals), or any part offside = offside, you'll still be arguing over a few mm on semi arbitrary lines. If you even say we'll allow 50mm either way of where the line is, there would still be arguments where the line fell 51mm apart whether that 1mm was correct.
In the end we want clear and obvious errors overturned, so trust the on field officials. No-one there on the day thought it was offside, including the Assistant Referee. The footage clearly showed it was microscopically tight, too tight to call. So go with 'umpires call' and let the goal stand.
So as I say - used incorrectly but when used as it was, the 'decision' was correct.
LiVARpool 1 - Wolves 0. On reflection, a sad day for English football. VAR was supposed to rectify clear and obvious errors but instead is being used to check all decisions of the on field ref.it’s killing the game for fans both in the ground and those watching on TV. I’m not sure what the answer is but I much preferred the game before all of this nonsense.
Absolutely agree lads, I've said it all along, var is a nightmare and I don't like it, I like the game to flow, along with the emotions, the passion and even the mistakes.
But for people to throw it out there like Liverpool are somehow being favoured or cheating is just pathetic really.
Yes, the use and application of VAR is causing a lot of issues, but it's use will get reviewed and improved. I agree it should only be used to rectify clear and obvious errors, and I'd suggest that starts with the referee going to check the pitch side monitor!
It hasn't being used to check all decisions, part of the problem so far is that it hasn't been used and some glaringly blatant errors have stood. It is only the past few weeks that has been addressed and a few more decisions have been reversed to get the correct decision, which is a good thing IMO.
Then there is the issue of the offsides, arbitrary lines are drawn on a frame of footage that is guestimated to be the point that the ball left the foot, and is being sold to the fans as being definitive decision, when we know that there is a clear margin for error. Historically the advantage should be given to the attacking team in those incidents, and that principle is currently not being applied. That is a big problem, again IMO.
Weeksy, I’m not saying Liverpool cheated in any way. I love the team that Klopp has built and really hope they don’t mess it up this season!! The issue is VAR and how it is being implemented.
But for people to throw it out there like Liverpool are somehow being favoured or cheating is just pathetic really.
I just think Liverpool have been pretty lucky with the var decisions, its not a conspiracy, it's just the way it has worked out. Yesterday, and the Chelsea game the way the offside rule is being applied has affected the result in Liverpools favour. Liverpool also fell foul of that application against Aston villa, but it didn't effect the result, other than making it a bit more uncomfortable a victory.
You are getting the rub of the green at the moment, it's churlish top pretend otherwise. But I do think that VAR's application will improve, in the long run it won't advantage anybody, but this year there have been teething problems.
One thing that gauls me is the obvious change in policy over the past few weeks to correct more decisions the refs got wrong in the first place, but they haven't said that's what they are doing, just blustered on pretending everything fine all along, basically doing a bojo.
One thing that gauls me
I blame the French
Why oh why do teams insist on trying to play it out from the back against Liverpool and City? It’s just asking for trouble
I guess they're aspiring to be like the teams they want to emulate. But as you say, they have to accept their limitations as players and play to their strengths rather than putting themselves in trouble for no reason
One mistimed pass and they’re straight on it and you’re a goal down.
I do hope Arsenal continue to attempt it later. Not just for the 3 points, but also for the comedy value 😂
Another VAR farce. Why bother having a referee on the pitch at all? Or any linesmen? Just referee the game from Stockley Park and put the decisions up on the big screen
binners still droning on about VAR. There’s a surprise. Do you sing “it’s not football anymore” at the TV?
Don’t be daft. I sing derogatory chants about scousers during every minute I’m watching the match, no matter who’s playing
Come on Bravissimo, you know this 😃
Anyway... no Pogba in the squad so hopefully he’s off. As one of my mates said the other day “I’ll drive him to the ****ing airport myself and pay for his ticket to Madrid!” 😂
Norwich going down, surely, and Bournemouth too? They’re just so soft - bet Moyes would have picked them first up if he could have chosen his first game.
binners still droning on about VAR.
Why not? It’s bordering on farcical - it’ll end up with teams/fans not celebrating a goal until VAR has had an (overly long) look.
Yeah, Nowrich will go down, I think for a promoted team to be successful coming up and playing open attacking football, they have to surprise everyone in the first half of the season and get much better points tally than they have. Now everyone knows what they are about they will find it even harder.
God knows what the VAR team were checking after the offside decision in the city/everton match, the whistle had gone everything else was of no consequence. In this case it really was farcical and killed the atmosphere in the ground
So who are the 3 to go down for you?
I’m going for Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth. Think Burnley will get dragged down there but just about survive along with Watford.
It’s bordering on farcical
I agree. binners droning on about VAR is (bordering on) farcical.
Relegated? Norwich, Bournemouth and Arsenal. Please...
and Arsenal. Please…
Surely not now they’ve got Pep jnr?!
Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton for me, all the other teams either have a bit more quality or more importantly know how to be more pragmatic defending as team.
Do you need a hug Bravissimo?
I could do with one at the moment, if I’m honest. We’re actually managing to make Arsenals defence look good. This is bloody awful!
Do you need a hug Bravissimo?
After this evening, it’s you that needs a hug binbins. Arsenal? 😂
Gotta love ‘em really.
https://twitter.com/elliothackney/status/1212703355644055557?s=21
I believe Man Utd scouts are checking on the dog’s availability now that the transfer window is open.
They may have scouted that dog, but decided to blow 100+ million on Benton instead.
best kit in the last 50 years award goes to Chelsea (though it probably has a extortionate price tag in the club shop).
according to who?
Is it better than Reading away mid 90's? Really?
nobody it wins by default as it has no advertising not even a manufacturers logo
Well that's embarrassing for Everton, beaten by the Liverpool youth team. I wonder if that is what Klop really wanted, the team selection suggested he was willing to sacrifice the FA cup.
If they’d lost that, I think Klopp would have been in for a bit of criticism. It would have ended the unbeaten run at Anfield and well, it is the derby. But for some shocking finishing by Everton in the opening quarter, they would have lost too. As it was, fair dues to the youngsters - after looking a bit shaky early on, they sorted themselves and played really well. Gomez had a great game and Oxlade-Chamberlain coming on cemented things later. Everton were awful though, especially in the second half. How Schneiderlin is drawing a wage as a premiership player is beyond me. Cracking goal to win it. There’s something about a shot going in off the underside of a post that improves any goal.
Excellent performance after a sketchy moment or 3 in the first half. Great composure from many of the youngsters.
Lovely finish too
I think he sees it as a great opportunity to give the kids and backup players a good run. If they win it’s a bonus as they get another run out in a few weeks.
That was great for me. My work colleague is a toffee. 😀
Williams, Curtis and Minamino all played very well.
Looking forward to Leeds giving arsenal a scare.
And I’m a +1 for VARcical.
I’m not enjoying VAR at all tbh, and to see Aguero not even bother celebrating a goal until VAR has looked at it is an indication of how the game will go in my opinion
VAR is doing its job. The interpretation of the rules by those miles away in some studio room are the problem and perhaps the rules themselves.
oh dear 😆
Taxi for Mr Solskjaer!
It’s all part of the process. He has a plan. 😂