How does the reader know which is black and which is white ? I don’t know if Foden is a black kid… It would be a reasonable assumption to know the other kid is though due to his spelling. Lets assume for a second the first kid was still black but called bobby naysmith, would it still have the same spin on it that you think it has ?
Talk about missing the point - one headline is written in a manner that is very much designed to make the reader take a dislike to the person it's written about, the other is written to make it seem like he's doing a generous thing.
Both the stories are essentially the same, the difference being the footballers colour.
Talk about missing the point
Or maybe you're reading more into it than necessary ?
Or maybe you’re reading more into it than necessary ?
Yeah course that is it.... Whereas most people seem to be spotting a problem there. We can choose to ignore it or confront it.
I agree with the main thrust of Sterling's complaint, but I don't agree with the Foden thing. Foden is three years younger & is touted as The Next Big Thing. He has played for City in the League & impressed when he has done so. I've never heard of Adarabioyo. He is playing for a Championship side & he may or may not go on to have a decent Premiership career. But he's not (yet) a star. Foden is. The 'story' is about how a potential journeyman pro is so well paid. If the roles had been reversed & Foden was black & getting stick then I would completely agree that the motive was racist. I don't think you can unequivocally say it is in this case.
Oh look, there’s binners using a row about racism to wash some sand out of his fanny regarding Liverpool. Not for the first time either.
Can't be long til ManU are referred to as 'the old lady of Manchester', used to be a looker, but now just flashes a long since faded ankle to anyone passing...
Can't see them making the top four so unless they win the thing this year (😂) there'll be no Champions League next year. Jose will be sacked if they don't make top 4 and someone else will get a go of spunking £300m and complaining he's got no decent centre halves.
I’ve heard many a Liverpool fan in support of Sterling. I heard John Barnes on 5live today who talked about this being a problem in society not football; and I think he’s right, to a point. Football creates a fanaticism and some of the less smart and humanistic parts of peoples thinking spill out in thoughtless words and aggressive behaviour. It’s totally unacceptable in today’s society. Think what you will but it seems obvious to me that it’s the same story promoted nagatively towards the black man and positively toward the white.
Incidentally, when Sterling left for City it was more the way he did it after years of development, bbc interview etc., that got most supporters backs up. He has developed well under Guardiola, moreso this season with better finishing, but he’s not replicated that at international level.
PS Mourinho can stay forever as far as I’m concerned as if they get a coach that can unleash the forwards, they’ll be a different prospect. Just my tuppence
Binners - you all strapped in for one of those 'special Anfield European nights?' 4-2 Liverpool.
Oh goodie! I do love a calm, measured informed and impartial Steve McMannoman commentary.
I’m hoping two nil Napoli just so I don’t have to listen to him celebrating any goals.
Should be a great game this though.
Simple answer for Liverpool is avoid the Europa league at all costs!!
Best to ignore Mccccccmanamanamnam, a man who can change his definite opinion mid delivery
Inexplicably, the odds on Napoli winning were 5/1 😳
Seemed rude not to stick a few quid on that. I’m sure it’ll prove the usual kiss of death
And you’re right, Mike. Nobody wants to be playing in Russia on a Thursday night. That’s why José has sensibly kept us out of the Europa league places
Just an early entry to the league cup for an exotic visit somewhere next year!!
Liverpool goal should force Napoli to come out a bit unless they plan to sit tight until 80 mins
I can never understand trying to be clever with free kicks. It never works. Just ****ing hit it!
Well it's too easy for Liverpool at the moment but still very dangerous at 1-0, I see Spurs are in at the moment if it stays like that.
That fella in goal, he could be worth a bob or two. It's the difference between this season and last there, should have scored a dozen though. All 4 through tonight so a good night for English football
I think both him in there and Virgil have made a massive difference overall at the back.
Should have been eleventy seven - 1 though
Mane didn’t have his shooting boots on, did he?
Napoli were on the back foot the whole game. It’s your 75 million quid defender that’s made all the difference. He’s made everyone around him organised and playing better. Some proper authority. And the young lads coming through are learning off him. Worryingly. Add in a keeper who doesn’t flap at stuff and that’s why you’re top of the table. Money well spent
Agree Binners - Allison has actually had it pretty easy with big Virgil in front of him, although when called upon in injury time came up with the save.
Sometimes Mane can't hit a barn door! I think his unpredictability is one of his best assets!
United just had a shot on target! Only taken them 74 minutes. Dire.
Its bloody awful! It’s a none-game though. Counts for nothing.
We’ve got bigger fish to fry this week. Jose’s just getting the bus serviced to see if the reversing lights are working. One way or another I suspect this could be embarrassing. I’ve never looked forward to a United game against the scousers less. We’ll either get walloped or we’ll plummet to new depths of bus-parking. I expect nothing more than that. And that’s pretty ****ing depressing!
He has to go, because he’s dragged our club down to this level of expectation
😂 It will be a double decker bus!
Apparently Allison let in more goals in the 2 Champions League games for Roma Vs Liverpool that all the Premier League games he's played in so far this season!
Chelsea fans covering themselves in glory again, I see?
Chelsea fans covering themselves in glory again, I see?
I don't know the song but get the idea what it's about... I'm not sure it's nearly as racist/abusive as some. At LFC we have "We all hate mancs and mancs and mancs" but really... Do we ? Not so much.... it's just a bit of friendly banter to throw in the melting post for a bit of fun. I know the Utd fans have similar reverse songs about Scousers but yet i don't get the impression you for example hate me and want to see my dead at the side of the road.
People these days take things far too seriously, all offended on behalf of everyone else at times. It's just a game, just some banter.... Isn't it ?
I don’t know the song but get the idea what it’s about… I’m not sure it’s nearly as racist/abusive as some
The point is we do not tolerate just being a bit racist. Being a bit less racist or abusive than somebody else is not a defence.
Is it racist though ?
Here for example is https://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/being-a-yid-song.7320/
Which are Spurs fans writing, creating and loving songs using the same term to themselves and how they love being a Yid.... So why is it only wrong if someone else calls them it ?
I know we're getting into a dangerous can of worms here... but football insults, banter, etc has been going on for 100+ years... It's rarely meant or actually deemed offensive to anyone other than the easily offended. The problem comes that these days of course the political correctness of society is all holy and the most important thing in the world.
Sadly, the football seems to take 2nd place in importance compared to being offended 🙂
Yeah, I mean, what’s a bit of abuse towards Sterling based on the colour of his skin, or a few bananas thrown onto the pitch?!? It’s just a bit of banter isn’t it?
I pay most attention to anyone who uses the phrases “professionally offended” or “offended on behalf of others.” They normally have their fingers right on the pulse of the moral zeitgeist.
what’s a bit of abuse towards Sterling based on the colour of his skin, or a few bananas thrown onto the pitch?!? It’s just a bit of banter isn’t it?
totally different thing IMO.
The problem comes that these days of course the political correctness of society is all holy and the most important thing in the world.
When I see the phrase “politically correct” or “PC” I tend to roll my eyes and interpret it as a signifier of how a person feels about race, gender, sexuality or ecological issues, how can you be too correct about something.
On a slightly different note - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46565595
Mourinho moaning again... what exactly is his image? Klopp has been at Liverpool 6 months longer & he's put his stamp in the team, Pep has been at City 2 months longer & they've got his stamp on them...
He's kind of confusing... As you say, the time difference isn't that significant and if he's not happy, then surely it's only down to him to change the team, tactics, training etc... If it's not his responsibility then what exactly is he doing there ?
If it’s not his responsibility then what exactly is he doing there ?
As far as I can tell, just moaning about a lack of transfer activity?
According to this link he's bought 10 players
https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-mourinho/spielertransfers/trainer/781/plus/0?station_id=134947
They cost somewhere in the region of £350m
So my sympathy for him in that context is pretty low.
Rough calcs from that site, Klopp has spent £430-440m which isn't night and day more, especially when you consider how much Klopp got back in for Cout etc.
Only one of those players cost less than £20 million too - hardly 'squad' players... By contrast Pep's bought 22 players, only 11 of them cost more than 20 million (overall spend is much greater, more than 1 x Pogba)
He’s kind of confusing
Not really, he alienates people, he doesn't have the capacity to change well enough and he feels the need to be worshipped. He seems to love the adversarial part of the job and feels like he needs to do it with everyone.
It must be boiling his piss to see how the modern managers can get on and respect each other week in week out.
To complain about a lack of funds for transfers is patently ridiculous given what he's spent.
The problem is that those players aren't performing. But watching their performances in the World Cup in the summer proves that they're perfectly capable of doing so with a decent manager employing smart tactics.
He's come out and said he'll 'fight' for a win on Sunday at Anfield, but we all know what he'll actually do. Its his default setting. He'll park the bus. I expect it'll be an absolutely awful game where he'll try and bore out another nil nil
Fare executive director Piara Powar says such attitudes must be defeated.
"The sad fact is that in recent years Chelsea have done an incredible amount of work to tackle anti-Semitism, much of it highly innovative and impactful," said Powar.
"But there remains throughout football a rump of people who in 2019 will see the political atmosphere as a cover for their own racism and prejudice."
A Chelsea spokesman said the offensive songs about Tottenham fans have "shamed the club".
I expect it’ll be an absolutely awful game where he’ll try and bore out another nil nil
I just can't see that one... can't see it at all. Klopp will be sending his boys out to go crazy
Klopp did that last year. Where did it get him? Nil nil in possibly the worst game of the season. Jose will do exactly the same again. Its got 'last game on MOTD' written all over it.
Which isn't something you'd ever have thought would apply to United v Liverpool at Anfield, pre-Jose
He'll put Lukaku up front on his own, everyone else behind the ball, and just punt hopeful long balls up occassionally and hope Lovren is playing. Lukaku just bullied him at OT and got two. I can't see that happening again.
I just can’t see that one… can’t see it at all. Klopp will be sending his boys out to go crazy
They've not really done that this year tho, they've been much more functional as opposed to blowing teams off the park.
True true.... i hear ya... But i'm not seeing it this time.
Miserable day out there all round!!
But this lad obviously got the nod from the away fans that it was his turn
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1073977511418228736
Good to bounce back after Sunday night with that one. I though this was Spurs turn to drop some points today.
Get the feeling that if West Ham get going this could be Fulham drifting off this afternoon
Plenty of blubber. He'd be ok in minus 10.
Here we go then. Let’s just hope it’s a better game than we’ve seen the last few seasons. Good to see Milner out and Lovren starting
I was waiting for a tactical masterclass from united here with 10 defensive midfielders in the team, including one in goal with De Gea playing out left 😉
Poo.
I’ve just got to the pub for half time! Hurrah.
Curse of the keeper not so good.
Well that was inevitable!
Played off the park! Embarrassing! I’m amazed it was only 3!
An absolute shambles of a defence, a midfield incapable of stringing 2 passes together and a completely toothless front line. We’re absolutely awful!
Shots 36 : 6
On Target 11 : 2
Your leading scorer comes on at the end of the game!
Pogba didn't even need his boots?
He must have one hell of a pay out clause in that contract.
Shame, a result for united would probably have seen moanio survive until the end of the season.
36 shots to 6.
3-1 really shows Liverpool's lack of final ball cutting edge. I hope that doesn't come to haunt them later in the season.
😂
Shame that. It needed a fluke of a 2-1 win for Liverpool .... keeping the title race interesting. AND keeps Moanwhineo in the job.
#prayforbinbins
Does matic only get in the team because he is tall? He is useless at doing snything else and anything good he does (rarely) is done far too slowly. United would be a far better team without him than Pogba.
Does Lukaku wear cement boots coz he is the worse jumper for a ball i have ever seen since Woody Harleson in White men cant jump.
Some interesting stats going on there, the fire power from Liverpool and city is immense, though Liverpool getting the GD closer.
Even with Arsenal dropping points today they are still 8 ahead and looking much better, that gap is going to get bigger too.
The more shocking one for me is the GD from Man U down to Palace is only 9 goals. That is very close - you have to get down to Cardiff to find anyone who has conceded more than United so far. I though he was the defensive master!
My thoughts exactly MSP.
😃😃
Lovren had some of those shots so clearances really but 36! One every 3 minutes. If only Jose was given some cash, he'll fix the defence! Got to play Pogba too - play him in front of two defensive midfielders, let him roam and create, but Fellaini getting on ahead of him says it all.
You’ve got to laugh really 😂
In fairness, that is hilarious.
Joking aside, there was one sane Liverpool fan that rang in to 606 right near the end of the show - he was thinking along my lines - yeah, the win over Utd is great fun but in a way, it’s a joke to see how hapless they’ve become under Mourinho.
I have no doubt that if they’d accepted that under Moyes, they’d have a difficult, indeed trophyless, few seasons, but stick with him and build on a stable base, they’d be challenging for titles. Mourinho’s trolling all fans with how he’s behaving. There’s no way a team like Utd should be the running joke that they’ve become under him. There. I feel dirty having said all that.
He can stay for another few years though. 😀
that is fabulous!!
Manchester United v PSG
Should be fun
Full list
Liverpool v Bayern Munich
Ajax v Real Madrid
Roma v Porto
Lyon v Barcelona
Tottenham v Borussia Dortmund
Manchester United v PSG
Atletico Madrid v Juventus.
Schalke v Manchester City
Anyone picking a winner yet?
Oooooooh. Well, not sure any of Liverpools options were particularly nice...
Bayern it is then 🙂
Oh god! Thats us going out then. No bad thing though. We can apply all our efforts to the premiership in our bid for 8th
one of the BBC comments was relief that Man U would go out to credible opposition this time 😉
I think the way Bayern have been playing up until lately, Liverpool have done better than Spurs.
Some great games in there though.
Smart money would be on City being the only ones to get through.
So did anyone else google to see where Bate Borisov are 🙂
Nobody wants to go there on a Thursday night
He’s gone. 😢
He's gone! Finally!!!
Bravissimo: There was a Liverpool fan on Five Live as the news broke. He was gutted too 😀
I bete there's a few champagne corks popping in the dressing room.
This season's a write off now anyway, but they need to do a lot more at the club than just apoint a new manager. And whatever happens its going to be a good while before we're able to compete at the same level as City or Liverpool.
Looks like Carrick taking over as caretaker. Could be interesting
Bollox!
Typical United managerial merry-go-round... 🙂
It's interesting that, looking at the stats, there is only one manager with a better win %, and JM's score was second, and a lot closer than you might think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manchester_United_F.C._managers
There was a Liverpool fan on Five Live as the news broke. He was gutted too
Yeah, I heard that. 😆
Not a massive shock considering.... Shame in some ways.. 🙂
That is great news. Did i just hear a champagne cork going off in Pogba’s house?
Gutted... was hoping the JM show would carry on giving the amusement while Brexit was going on
It’s interesting that, looking at the stats, there is only one manager with a better win %, and JM’s score was second, and a lot closer than you might think.
But it was getting worse every week, there was no sign of turning it around and he was entrenched in a position that wasn't going to change without either selling a heap of players cheap of paying over the odds for more who he would then declare were crap.
All Carrick has to do in the team talk is say "Right, go out and attack like crazy" he'll be loved by the fans whether they win 7-0 or lose 8-5 🙂
