I agree binners, Spurs and City looked great
Could be a very important game tonight though
We’ll definitely be challenging for the title this season!
Seems ManU are going backwards. They've not built on last season, Mourhino moans about lack of signings, spurs didn't sign anyone but are sitting pretty in 3rd...
Well looking at the players he’s bought in, and how they’re ‘performing’, would you give him any more money to spend?
We seen to be getting progressively worse every week
Mourhino moans about anything
FIFY, watching them on MOTD had me wondering if any of those players would be worth less than £30m on the open market, the complete lack of interest in making a tackle at times was appalling. The only thing more miserable were the people heading in and out of the ground
Rightfully booed off at the end. Which is becoming a bit of a regular thing. He’s clearly completely lost the dressing room. It’s like they’ve all downed tools until he’s sacked. As the players at Chelski and Real did previously to get shut of him
How else do you explain the difference in form in someone like Lingard who had a cracking game for Engerland last week but was absolutely awful on Saturday! Same across the whole squad. They just look like they can’t be arsed!
Got offered two tickets for the game but, given the price of them, decided not to bother. If you’d payed good money to watch that shite, you’d definitely be joining in booing them off
I agree it’s an anomaly that one side of the line is the defining side in this case, whereas for ball in and out of play it’s the outer part of the line, but that’s the fact.
No issue where the line is here... Up The Town!
That was as good a goal-line clearance as you'll ever see! I couldn't believe it hadn't fully crossed the line. Handy having a player who's that tall. He's massive!
It's a right mash of dance styles there......a can-canning clearance; super breakdancing balance by the goalkeeper, and the other Huddersfield defender is executing a robot but <Craig Revel Horwood mode on> points off for the thumb with should be tighter to the hand.
also - top effort by the stewards keeping that mass of orange seats under control!
Billing dished it out at both ends. He's blown hot and cold for a few seasons now but he's still a kid (22) and when he's having a good day and can be arsed he's fantastic. Hopefully he is now maturing and we'll get consistent quality.
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I'll just leave that one there on VFM... Who earns more city or utd players?
So a first Monday night win for the Toon in a very long time!! Some great chances missed but good to see them holding on and Hart pulling a good shift in midfield!!
Yeah ..three on the bounce now ( wins ) ..never mind Hart in midfield I thought Ki.was outstanding and I can't remember him losing the ball.
On that evidence Shelvey has a real battle to get his midfield place back ..
Onwards & upwards ...hopefully !
Went to Burnley last night (in the home end so had to bite my lip when we scored twice in front of me). Burnley are in bother if that's the best they can muster. Allardyche needs a Plan B but doesn't have one.
NUFC controlled it really and should have been out of sight. Agree about Ki. Back 5 and keeper were excellent. We desperately need a No. 10 and a LB though.
There are about 8 teams who could go down. The difference will be how many points they take off rivals as the top 4-5 keep winning.
On that evidence Shelvey has a real battle to get his midfield place back ..
What my folks have been saying after the last few games though you have to remember he is in the black and white so at the point he looks undropable he will do a Diame and forget what he is doing, get lost and have us asking what happened
Most* worrying thing for me is Perez, when he had pace he could get in behind a lot more and run off people but he looks slower and so easy to disposes, I had to pinch myself to check I wasn't dreaming when he won an actual tackle and nearly did something with it.
*Well apart from the obvious
Looking forward to the PSG v Liverpool game- hope it's not marred by the Neymar and his Norman Wisdom impressions.
Looks like Klopp has gone for attritional with the midfield.
Yep picked City last night which was a cracker, hopefully goals here and Neymar getting the hump
Have to say it would be nice to see PSG exit early again.
PSG? Why would you want them out early?.
Oh dear, going to take a big rethink by Klop at halftime there, got the feeling some more bookings will come
Premier league teams seem to be struggling in Europe of late
All back on if Liverpool can come out and play like, well Liverpool!
Agree with the BT guys ref not in charge there at the moment
Bit lucky, I thought mane kind of dragged his leg early to bring that penalty on.
I'll take it though!
Liverpool have been overrun in midfield,
the penalty spares their blushes.
could get tasty in 2nd half......
Nice to see Liverpool playing around di Maria, watching PSG a little more closely their press is basically trying not to get caught with hands on and hope liverpool make a mistake before they do
Looking better for the reds the more Roberstson seems to get in the game
Well I guess we all gave up on booking diving for this one or are all the PSG players suffering from a medical condition
Yep, the so called focus on diving bypassed this one.
PSG? Why would you want them out early?.
Flat track bullies. And Neymar. Irrational I know, given the wealth of many of the clubs in the competition.
Lol! Aye cos premiership clubs are all jumpers for goalposts and financial fair play!😂
I know, I know..... but PSG are on another level. 5 out of the last 6 titles and 14 domestic cups in a row. 14!!! No one has won the prem back to back for 9 years (although City are odds on to do so this season).
I know, I know….. but PSG are on another level.
Yeah, the pitch looked like it was, how else could you explain the constant falling down. Honestly for all the brilliance of the players it was undone by their petulance and cheating.
Totally agree. I think the PSG players were on a bouncy castle.
Those pesky diving foreigners, our boys would never do that!....
Did you watch the game nobeer?
Bits of it, I struggle to watch 90 minutes these days, especially CL football.
Yeah it was a complete level above most games in the PL, the moment one of their defenders split his head in half on the grass falling over his own feet was particularly special. Liverpool just ended up playing around them lay on the floor in the end. It wasn't a great example of actual football there.
It's all relative though, there is hardly a minute of any game goes by the these days without some form of cheating, so to say 'but they cheat more than us' is a bit silly.
OK, it's basically exactly the stuff that was seeing premier league players booked for diving.
Again it it a subjective opinion but the level was certainly way above what you see week in week out in the PL and at the level where they would have ended up being sent off for it. The intent to play actual football was missing for chunks of the game, the defending was a joke and the refereeing was poor/not in control. PSG pushed that to be the case. For that reason I'd have no issues wishing them a very early exit from the tournament so that we don't have to put up with that any more.
another one for the 'you are the ref' / pundits spouting shite discussion.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/46408172
According to the pundit he can't be offside 'because the ball hasn't travelled forward'
Read the rules........
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
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interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate..... etc.
I’m looking forward to hanging on and seeing if we can get an 95th minute winner against Southampton so José can go postal on some lucazade bottles
i don’t know how we’re going to cope without Sanchez! He’s been absolutely bloody brilliant since he arrived. With him and a-goal-every-few-months Lukaku, we’ll be reet for the title
If you want delusional, check this out. One of my fanatical united mates on friendface....
Right, this is my theory, it will probably sound delusional... after the summer, where the board decided we only needed Fred, Dalot and a third choice keeper - because we'd finished 2nd with the squad we had, and the season before, winning the Europa league - Jose made it clear he wasn't happy that they hadn't backed him.
He's not picked a consistant 11 and he seems to change the team after they play well, he's picking players who are good enough to win but make it look hard work, he's exposing the weaknesses in our squad while keeping his head above water and constantly reminding us his history.
He wants more new players, United need a stronger squad, when he gets what he wants, with a few additions in January hopefully, he'll play his best 11 to win games. By the end of the season we'll be in the top 4, next season with a few more signings, we'll be well up for it.
We'll be playing much better football by the close of the January window, second half of the season will be good to watch.
It’s like he’s been inhaling the same shit the scousers have been inhaling for the last thirty years
its definitely our year
FFS!
Interesting squad choice from Jose. Who wants to play in position anyway? Matic as part of a back 5? WTF?! 😳
So basically he is tanking the team in order to prove he was right? I'm not sure how we will notice the Sanchez injury as he seems to forget he is in the squad some days.
I can't see him getting more serious money to spend, he has made each of the players who came back from the world cup look worse, you actually need to persuade players to come to your club these days, they won't be playing CL next year so if it's a choice of Liverpool/Spurs/Chelsea/Arsenal/City who would you head to?
I can’t see him getting any money to spend either Mike. His signings have been absolutely woeful! Apart from when they’ve been playing for their national squads where they look like different players!
And what world class player would want to come and play Jose’s awful, slow, laboured, clunky ‘style’ of anti-football?
De Gea will be on his way soon to somewhere where he’s a less shambolic defence in front of him.
We’re just going to carry on going backwards until Maureen ****s off! We’ve not a chance of top four this season. And nobody will be sorry to see the back of him!
And nobody will be sorry to see the back of him!
The knock off merchants with the massive pile of Jose scarfs will be hoping he sticks around a bit longer.
Probably the thing that might wake them up a little though was how quiet they were Tuesday night, it was well down locally on what you normally get for a CL tie
You’d never see empty seats at a CL game at OT. But that’s a reflection of where we are now. I’m glad to see people voting with their wallets. This has been coming for a long time.
I’m just pondering whether it’s worth the outlay for me and Binnerette number 1 to go and watch us get beat by Arsenal on Wednesday night
On the strength of this performance, I’m thinking not. Shambolic! Southampton look more like snatching a winner here than us
Well it is a chanc to see some decent football, I'm expecting Southampton to beat the city passing record here if they stop giving it away
We really didn’t even deserve a point from that dull, insipid, lifeless second half performance. Awful! No attacking threat whatsoever! They looked like they just couldn’t be arsed and would happily settle for a point. At Southampton FFS?!! ! Which is pretty much par for the course at the moment
Well MOTD time, we should have smashed them!! Perez will somebody buy perez!! Binners would you swap Rashford for him!! Folks said they thought they would get out and miss the traffic as it was going so badly, everyone stood up at the same time....
Rafa pointing out the spending money helps....
And yeah Saints deserved to do one over Man U there
"And nobody will be sorry to see the back of him!"
ahem.....
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Tough draw there!! Some good teams avoided
The blind optimist in me was thinking that as probably our best performance this season was against Chelski, we might up our game on Wednesday, so I’ve got us tickets. There may be a lot of swearing!
i know what it certainly isn’t going to be....
I’m off round to my scouse mates now for the Derby. Can anyone lend me an Everton top?
Well that’s as good a first half of football as you’ll see. Brilliant match! Spurs were played off the park for the first 20 minutes, and could easily have been 3 down. How the hell they’ve mansged to go in 2-1 up is amazing.
Great to see two teams getting properly stuck into each other! Getting proper handbags at timesIt’s many many moons since I’ve seen an Arsenal squad with this much backbone.
Should be a belting second half!
Well if Arsenal start like this at Old Trafford it could be empty by half time!!
In terms of English football and the PL it's good to see Arsenal coming back to form
Should be a belting second half!
A late entrant for understatement of the year
I think that is a performance that just underlines that Wenger stayed on for far too long.
What a game?! 😳
Like watching the Arsenal of old, at their peak. Superb football!
I’m bloody dreading Wednesday now, if they play like that. And on the strength of our pitiful display yesterday.
Still... I’ll get to boo Jose off at the end. If I make it to full time
So now onto the Liverpool derby, if Liverpool win it keeps the pressure on city, if Everton win it keeps 2-6 tight and gaps united in 7th.
Big result for Arsenal, and a very bad result for Spurs.
Arsenal are looking a very good team as time goes on, with a very good manager. I expect to see them pushing for second towards the end of the season.
Tottenham are looking increasingly one dimensional. I fear for their future if they cannot retain champs league this season, with the massive debt that has been loaded on the club with the ridiculous new stadium. The manager and Kane will leave at some point and Spurs could well end up with a half empty stadium, Europa League, and a decidedly average squad.
Poch is a good all round manager but tactically he is not in the top group of managers. The stadium is far too expensive and complex, they should have gone for a nice 45,000 seater like Juventus for £350million, not the one billion monstrosity they are currently building.
In other news, I think Everton will get a result against Liverpool.
Spurs need to sign a couple of players in January but they way they took Chelsea apart shows they are still a good side, Aresenal just wanted it more today. It's 4 from 5 for the CL this year and I reckon they have a solid chance of taking one of them.
As for building a 45,000 stadium that is tiny these days, 25% extra in match day revenue will be good for them.
Maybe they could get Wenger in for a few years while they pay it off? 😉
Unfortunately matchday revenue is a tiny percentage of a big football clubs overall turnover. There are also signs attendances are falling as the economy slows especially in London and the South East.
Chelsea had an absolutely awful day vs Spurs, I think a team like Huddersfield could have taken them that day, look how they let Son run through them.
Spurs were fortunate to beat Inter Milan as Inter sat back so much, but there was zero fluency to Tottenham's game and there hasn't been for a while.
I hope you are right and they can sign some new players and add a new dimension to their game, but Spurs look like they peaked last year. Crucially I think Pochettino only knows one style of play and other sides are now learning how to counteract this - like Arsenal, by playing with the same intensity and high press, but with more fluency in the final third.
I wouldn't be so concerned were it not for the fact that the new stadium means they have more debt as a club than Man United.
... and look where that got us.
At least your owner won’t be using your revenue to prop up their loss-making shopping malls in the states and paying himself a squillion pound a year in consultancy fees
I rarely post on this thread, but I just love watching this Arsenal team. The fight is there, the way they pull together and want it is just fantastic.The aittitude is wonderful and although some of the players aren’t good enough, I’m very much looking forward to what Emery can do with a few transfer windows. Up the Arsenal!
Football like anything goes through cycles and I think we are approaching the end of a "boom" period. With rising interest rates, and the fact young people seem to be more interested in E-sports than football, the cycle that was started around 1990 (Paul Gascoigne in Italia 90) feels like it is slowing down.
Tottenham have been getting their timing wrong. In many ways they were years ahead of their time in the 80s, when they started signing international players like Ardilles, and Irvine Scholar realised football had big business potential. But they over-extended and were unable to invest in the 1990s, when the most recent boom began with the Sky Sports/Premier League era.
I now believe they are too late to the party, investing too much, too late, when the cycle will start to reward prudent management of finances (which in fairness Daniel Levy used to specialise in - before he went mental with the new stadium).
I say this with regret as I like Spurs. I hope I'm wrong. But the debt (which is on the club, not the owners) is half a billion quid and unless you have an owner like Man City, that is still a hefty amount of cash.
There was a revealing investigation by The Guardian into ENIC, the club's owners, setting up lots of shell companies to benefit from the "gentrification" of the Tottenham area (also known as social cleansing). Ultimately the club is on the hook for the debt, not ENIC, and I can well foresee another late 1980s scenario in which the club is close to bankrupcy.
Another cracking derby, how is it still 0-0 though, it should be 3-3.
Unfortunately matchday revenue is a tiny percentage of a big football clubs overall turnover. There are also signs attendances are falling as the economy slows especially in London and the South East.
Small part but the difference in income between 45 and 62 could be worth £10m a season depending on how they price it. I don't see them playing in front of a half full stadium unless something goes very badly wrong,
We will see how Arsenal keep progressing, they are not the finished article just yet as the ease of the 2 goals Spurs got showed.
And of course the attitude and squaring up is 'something no-one wants to see'......but it's what's been missing for a few seasons and it's good to see. They're my favourite of the big clubs and it's good to see them back at the top table.
Always used to love watching Arsenal. The style of football played by the Invincible squad was as good as you’ll ever see. Used to love watching Keane and Vierra kick lumps out of each other in midfield.
They were miles off that for years under Wenger. Probably summed up best by Troy Deeney when he called their defence ‘a bunch of girls who need to man up’ after he bullied them for 90 minutes last season.
This looks like a proper Arsenal squad again. I’m dreading Wednesday. It could get embarrassing.
As for squaring up? Yes, more of that please. Shows it actually means something. I just wish any of our lot could even be bothered..
Great first half. Nice to see Everton turn up to give them a game. Had a few quid on them at 8/1
Everton didn't deserve that.
Oops!
Who was that bloke who scored?
Divok Origi. He's scored a few, been out on loan several times, we've had him for 4 years now
Belgian international with 25 caps
“Belgian international with 25 caps” shhhh Mourinho will be trying to buy him!!
Hughes sacked, it was only a matter of time, should be his last job in the premier league.
30 mins into Saturdays game he wasn't looking the most likely to be sacked
I'm predicting a rousing chorus of 'sacked in the morning' from the traveling Arsenal support on Wednesday night, and fingers crossed they'll be right
The united board seem stuck in Theresa May mode, they don't care what damage is done, as long as they don't have to admit they are on the wrong path.
I don't actually think they even care at all about whats gong on (or not going on) on the pitch, as long as shirt sales in Singapore are holding up, and they've got a new official kitchen roll 'partner'
