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Regarding Toney, 8 month ban coming right at the end of the season so 3 months of it doesn't effect anything
Yeah, agree. De Bruyne’s radar has been a bit wonky tonight.
It's a shame that last one didn't come off Rudiger
City. Quite good.....
Inter were saying last night they wanted to avoid Real. They might be rethinking.....
I can’t recall a better performance from a club side in a big game? Dominant.
Good win for Newcastle - mid match squeaky bum but good value for the win overall. One more win, hopefully Vs Leicester on Monday....
But today's story - Sheff Weds 0-4 after the playoff first leg, come back and take it to extra time in the 90+9th minute. Real Fergie time stuff. And who's Peterborough's manager??? Yep.... Darren Ferguson
Bonkers
And who’s Peterborough’s manager??? Yep…. Darren Ferguson
Any self-respecting burglar would be advised to stay well clear of Peterborough.
It's late - I misread that as Duncan Ferguson
Ugly scenes after West Ham's game last night, ultras going after the players' families.
And who’s Peterborough’s manager??? Yep…. Darren Ferguson
Things you love to see... that smarmy **** 4-0 up and cruising and then get walloped.
Took the boy to only his second match last night. Went to the last game of the season against Derby and it was pretty drab but he enjoyed it enough want to go last night.
Warned him before setting off that he was probably in for a night of disappointment but that he may just see the game he'll ever go to.
Unbelievable, on the rare occasions (these days) Hillsborough gets going like that it's such a special atmosphere and that game had just about everything.
Should have been easy for Peterborough, they just needed to lose by 3 0 or less but Wednesday just kept at them and the crowd was incredible. Would have been easy to be down on the players after Friday but everyone was behind the team.
And I'm particularly pleased for Moore after the vile abuse he's been subjected to. To get the players back up and motivated and believing - just immense.
I'll not forget the wall of noise when the 4th went in. Just about recovered now from the excitement.
Just need to try and get Wembley tickets now!
^ Really pleased for big Dave, especially as it would have pissed Adrian ****ing Durham off.
And Annan have done it, their first promotion to Scottish Division 1.
Pleased for Wednesday, always had a soft spot for them as it was one of my first away games with Forest as a school kid with mates mid 90s.
We won by a margin that day but my lasting memory was of one steward telling the whole away end to stop banging the old wooden seats up and down, guess how that planned out 🙂
Hope the do well in the final.
And so it's the deedahs at Wembley. Got to try and get tickets. Went when we played Hull in the championship play offs and it was a great day out even if the result was not what I wanted.
Will take the boy this time though as he's getting quite into it.
Every chance of it being a game of disappointment following the high of Thursday night but being an Owls supporter this is way...
Kane scoring in the 7th minute, then ending up losing 3-1 at home to Brentford, as they leapfrog you in the table, has to be the Spursiest thing ever! 😂
Missed that was too nice so went out on the bike but pity. Nothing like watching Kane lose. Did he manage to fall over a few times at least?
We are premier league say we are Premier league!
Wasn't expecting that. Handing City the title after they spanked us 6-0 back in August.
Get in!!!!
Where's that chap on here who did nothing but chime in to tell us the Gooners were top of the league every week???
Good to see Forest stay up, they stuck to the task and have come good at the right time of the season, whilst not going for the nuclear option like other clubs did!
Missed that was too nice so went out on the bike but pity. Nothing like watching Kane lose. Did he manage to fall over a few times at least?
Oh yes, he fell over in the build up to the second Brentford goal expecting the freekick, i bet the ref had tinnitus after that one!
Yeah, pleased for Forest and Steve Cooper. He worked wonders to get them up and then having to sort a team out of all the players the owner bought.
Who’s going down then? Leicester, probably, there doesn’t seem to be much fight in them and then one from Leeds or Everton. Please be Everton!
Some sides would use the experience to harden their resolve and come back next season better for it.
The way Arsenal have crumbled......12 points in April / May from 9 games - that rate of return over a season would put them in 11th / 12th
I wonder if confidence will be shattered, and is there a response to be had.
I think they’ll struggle to be top four next year. United, Liverpool will be better, Newcastle will buy and Villa could be outsiders too. Going against the grain a. It but I’ve never been convinced by Gabriel Jesus. Misses too many chances.
I know what you mean about Jesus (Gabriel), I think Pep might have seen a little inconsistantcy there. Was a world beater prior to his injury.
The way Arsenal have crumbled……12 points in April / May from 9 games – that rate of return over a season would put them in 11th / 12th
Second year in a row where they've gone spursy on the run in, they're back in the CL now and battling top 4, but nowhere near winning the league, next year will be another change, Chelsea will come back stronger, Liverpool will fix areas of concern they have, Newcastle will strengthen and ManU will probably buy someone like Kane and others to try and get that push to challenge.
Second year in a row where they’ve gone spursy on the run in, they’re back in the CL now and battling top 4, but nowhere near winning the league,
While I agree we have gone full Gallas in the centre circle this season to say we are "nowhere near winning the league" is a bit of a reach. The Saliba injury really hurt us we need to focus on quality back up defenders and replace Xhaka. Currently far closer than anyone else some 10 odd points clear of newcastle and united.
This city side is unreal 3 titles in a row and something like 5 out of the last 6. It will take a lot to beat them over a season.
Currently far closer than anyone else some 10 odd points clear of newcastle and united.
Yeh, but what's the real Arsenal. First part of season over over achieving has put you there; current form is mid table at best. And past seasons is not convincing me the first bit is the real you.
You're not a Leicester, you've way more talent than even their Premier winning side, they had an amazing start and the wheels never came off. You had an amazing half season, even 3/4..... and then imploded, and I don't think Arteta has the right character to have arrested it.
Arsenal's fall-off is pretty dramatic - even Spursy - but they did play some good football and, if City overcome the not inconsiderable hurdles on Man United and Inter to win the treble will probably be remembered for being the ideal pacemakers who delivered Pep's team to a position where they were able to rest and prepare their strongest team for the two finals.
Contrast to previous seasons where the struggle to cross the line before Liverpool left City in a pretty exhausted state especially when losing to Chelsea in the chumps league final.
Difficult to predict next year other than that City will be the team to beat although they have work to do in midfield if Silva and Gundogan leave. Chelsea will need a season to get organised but may sneak top four. No idea if Liverpool and United will improve but Arsenal need reinforcements to compete again - Kane would probably be the ideal signing for them 😉
The rumours about Rice to Arsenal is definitely an upgrade in the middle of the park, Jesus is better on the left IMO, he gives way more than anyone (apart from possibly Bernardo Silva) pressing from the front, and runs at defenders when coming in from the left rather than just passing back everytime but just doesn't score enough goals to lead the line, he is a fantastic tactical option rather than a guaranteed starter IMO. So the gooners need Rice, a much better backup for a centre back and a 20 goal striker, Zinny is also a tactical option at leftback or midfeild IMO so probably an actual left back would help. Easier said than done.
I think the rest of the PL should be hoping that city win the treble, and Pep then decides his work is done, because I can't see them relenting as long as he is in charge, and he looks rejuvenated and happy with the challenge this year, so the dominance is likely to continue as long as he remains.
Arsenal have a very good left back in Tierney - better defensively than Zinchenko. Rumours about he may be off to Newcastle, or even City. Arteta doesn’t rate him.
Can’t see City dropping off - 5 titles in 6 seasons, although two won by the skin of their teeth above Liverpool. How many more seasons has KdB got left? He’s pretty irreplaceable I think, but then I said that about Fernandinho and Rodri is better!
Chelsea getting a shoeing off Citeh’s reserves.
This Chelsea squad are an absolute disgrace. Every single one of them looks like they just can’t be arsed and this is all too much trouble.
What does it say about you when the opposition use a fixture against you as an opportunity to rest pretty much their entire first team?
What does it say about you when the opposition use a fixture against you as an opportunity to rest pretty much their entire first team?
That the caretaker manager doesn't care enough. Glad to see him getting schooled again, to be honest.
Can’t quite believe that we (Brighton) will be playing in Europe next season.
I started “supporting” them in the 80s when my dad used to drag me out to the goldstone, but properly started supporting them in the 90s and got to see us at our absolute worst.
Going from fighting against our owners who tried to sell the ground and make a profit from its sale, then having to play home games at Gillingham, getting back to Brighton and the Withdean an athletics track with an uncovered temporary stand to where we are now is so amazing.
I was there with my older 2 today and was feeling quite emotional because I never could’ve imagined we’d be where we are now.
Can’t quite believe that we (Brighton) will be playing in Europe next season.
It's awesome, and one of the reasons I'm absolutely delighted that Arsenal disintegrated so thoroughly at the end, and we didn't have to go to Brighton and Brentford looking for results to close it out. Definitely viewed those two fixtures as potential stumbling blocks.
Brighton (and Brentford) have played some absolutely top quality football this season. I still think that volley from Pascal Gross is my goal of the season. Everything about it was perfect. It’s been absolutely great to watch and Brighton thoroughly deserve European football. I’ll be looking forward to watching them
This season has been absolutely bonkers but it’s so refreshing to see the present table make an absolute mockery of the so called ‘big 6’ (where are Spurs and Chelsea, again?) and show the ludicrousness of the whole concept or a European Superleague
Brentford aren’t great to watch IMO, but very effective. If Big Sam or Dyche was in charge they’d be derided as long ball merchants. To stay in the league so comfortably though is some achievement.
So back to the Championship for Leeds, no fight, no quality and a huge wasted opportunity after the platform Bielsa gave us.
The key to Bielsa was having them at absolute peak fitness and to now see Ayling admit they have not got 90 mins in them is shameful, especially after they celebrated his sacking with beer and pizza! Professionals? Pathetic, would be glad to see them all cleared out.
If what was needed was a manager to read the riot act to players about their levels of professionalism then appointing Alladyce was even more bizarre
And now you’ve got an even more serious problem. You’re going down to the Championship and you’ve still got ‘Big Sam’ as your manager, so things aren’t going to get any better any time soon. Not least because you’ll have to watch the ‘style’ of football he favours. Good luck!
I really doubt that Leeds will be able to compete in the Championship even. I fear a dip into the third tier again sometime soon.
On a positive note, you’ve got Spurs next 😂
You're not down yet! If it was anyone else but Spurs for you next I'd probably agree with you, though. But what could be more Spursy than losing to one of the worst sides in the division as a send-off for Harry?
EDIT: Great minds etc
It would be the ultimate embodiment of ‘Spursy’
Up until this point you would have thought that it would have been Saturday and throwing away an early lead to lose 3-1 at home to Brentford but I think they can go one better than that before the seasons out
yer was just looking through stuff, and they are at home to Spurs
so
Leeds v Spurs
(Leeds Home) DWLLDD v LDDLLL (Spurs Away)
Everton v Bournemouth
(Everton Home) LWDLLL v LLWWWL (Bournemouth Away)
Leicester v West Ham
(Leicester Home) LLLWDL v LWWLLL (West Ham Away)
so all 3 at home,
Leicester have the best goal difference -18, v Everton (-24) and Leeds (-27)
you literally couldn't make a prediction on anything, they all could win, they all could lose, and I don't think we'll be any nearer an answer after half time on Sunday
2 from 3 of Leeds, Leicester and Everton are gone though, so it's either Leeds after a short stay, the 2016 League Winners, or Everton, who have been in the out of the top division only 4 times since 1887
@martinhutch Yep, we're not down yet but it's going to take a miracle for us to remain in the Premiership. We've been completely outclassed all season and it's painful to watch now.
but it’s going to take a miracle for us to remain in the Premiership
Have you watched the Spurs defence?
Have you watched the Spurs defence?
Have you seen the Leeds goal scoring options? 🤣 Bamford probably out injured also now.
Granted, the Spurs defence is shocking but still not holding any hope of staying in the Premier league.
I fancy that Sam will find the motivation and tactics to beat Spurs.
But I reckon Dyche will do the same for Everton and you and Leicester will go down anyway.
Bamford probably out injured also now.
And Rodrigo apparently.
But I honestly have no idea what is going to happen on Sunday – with the way this season has gone, we can't take anything for granted (ie, Forest beating Arsenal, Everton spanking Brighton etc).
Just saw the segment on Vinicius jr. Appalling.
Just watched a 10 minute clip of the Vinivius Juniour incodent on YouTube to se the full context.
Perhaps the most appalling thing of all was the behaviour of the Valencia players. When Vini confronted the crowd, the Valencia players took every opportunity to exploit the situation and get him sent off and they succeeded.
They acted entirely in concert with the racist fans.
Can't believe Leicester played so meekly, one game left, all 3 in the fight playing at home, and against teams that have nothing to really play for, their premiership future isn't in their own hands.
Nearly came off though....
Has anyone had a phone call from Spurs yet about the vacant managers position yet?
https://twitter.com/The82Club/status/1661647520517300226?s=20
Has anyone had a phone call from Spurs yet about the vacant managers position yet?
Yep.
Turned 'em down.
Maguire is in the England squad. Clucking Bell!
Has anyone had a phone call from Spurs yet about the vacant managers position yet?
I'm ghosting Levy.
Maguire is in the England squad. Clucking Bell!
Well at least he'll be fresh. Our 5th choice centre back has only played about 20 minutes football all season. Thank christ!
Sterling was apparently going to be in the squad too if he wasn't injured
What is it? A testimonial match?
It’s Malta, isn’t it? May as well be a testimonial
I was at the Amex last night to see Brighton seal 6th place and Europa league football next season, which is absolutely nuts. It was a great game, 2 teams just going for it and our goal was something else the build up and the Enciso smashing it in the top corner from 25 yards.
https://twitter.com/northstandchat/status/1661767684810219522?s=46&t=Yiq2PKLGzfnI4wmhLCFhzQ
Other than the last 2 relegation places there’s very little riding on the last games on Sunday (that’s assuming Man Utd get at least a point tonight).
That’s magnificent. Missed that last night.
Well done United, back in the big cup.
The scoreline flattered us a bit. Chelsea are a shambles at the back but they created a lot of chances. A pity for them that Frank left their only player who can finish sat on the bench for most of the match
Can’t quite believe where we are, to be honest. Ten Hag has done a superb job with some quality signings. Most of all…
He was brilliant again tonight.
We were all over the place at the start of the season, now we’re looking at finishing 3rd, back in the Champions League, won the League cup with the FA Cup final next weekend. I certainly didn’t see that coming while we were getting an absolute shoeing off Brentford and I was swearing even more than usual at Harry Maguire
In an example of stating the bleedin' obvious, Lampard says...'Chelsea must get the basics right'.
Incisive thinking.
Banging the drum a bit here but at roughly the same age and with barely any playing experience Cooper has really shown Gerrard, Parker and Lamps the standard of whats expected.
In an example of stating the bleedin’ obvious, Lampard says…’Chelsea must get the basics right’.
Incisive thinking.
If he carries on like that he'll be getting the Spurs job
For the Ted Lasso fans (everyone, surely?) Stan Chow's been busy
https://twitter.com/stan_chow/status/1662083574281953282?s=20
BBC gossip column is running the idea that Brendan Rodgers is in the frame for the Spurs job - what next buy Timo Werner to score goal?
Whoever gets the Spurs job - and my money is definitely on Rodgers (I've stuck a fiver on it at 5/1) - will last a shorter time than Nuno Espirito Santo. Gone by Christmas with Spurs in the bottom half of the table
Whatever happens, Spurs fans are going to spend the whole of next season wailing as they look enviously at Poch in the dugout at Stamford Bridge as he sorts out that particular car crash
Imagine being a Spurs fan at the moment, star striker & club legend going to Utd of all people & Rodgers coming in as manager...
Predictions for tomorrow?
I'll go for Everton scraping a late winner and staying up. It'll be Barry Horne all over again
Nah, I reckon Everton will have a comfortable win.
How did Dortmund manage that?
Rumours that Philip Schofield has turned down the Spurs job - says he has his reputation to think of.
dc1988
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How did Dortmund manage that?
They're proper bottle merchants, have been all season, they haven't challenged Bayern, getting hammered in their games, it's been Bayern who have been out of sorts, yet still manage to win the league.
What a rubbish league the bundesliga is. 10 in a row, has to be right now the least competitive in Europe.
Hoping Leeds stay up tomorrow. Biggest city with 1 club - probably in Europe.
SPL is worse - bar Rangers win under Gerrard, it’s too easy for Celtic. And although EPL is good to watch, City have won 5 out the last 6.
Yeah, but it’s Leeds
They’ll be ok because… Spurs
City have won 5 out the last 6
United won 5 of the first PL titles, but haven't won now in 10 years. City's dominance will end when Pep decides to call it a day, they will still be a serious contender but IMO no other manager will come close to the success he drives. Bayern win the bundesliga even when crippled with political infighting and poor decision making that could match the Glaziers. There is no sign of their dominance fading, I wouldn't be surprised if they won 30 in a row.
Most leagues are just not as competitive as you'd think, Financial Fair Play is making it even harder, as those teams who were 'big teams' have the structure to bring money in, and makes it harder for teams trying to grow fast, the reason Man City are doing so well is that they've been building the entire structure over 15 years, they now have a great training academy, scouting network, stadium and sponsorships, as well as pulling power.
The thing that's annoying to see is the big clubs just hoovering up all the youth players from others for a pittance, smaller clubs grow their youth, nurture them and then a big team comes in, gives them their first pro contract at double or treble what the other club can offer and then just loan them out every year, would be nice to see something brought in to either slow this down, or allow the original club to gain more throughout the career of that player, i.e. 10% of all transfer profit or similar.
Anyway, the big thing about all the lack of competitiveness is that you can almost see that European League building itself in the next few years, not sure it would actually be financially better for the big teams though, or the majority of them at least.