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Leeds yet again showing why they'll go down with a whimper. Gracia seemed to start well but in the last 4 games has shown exactly why he never lasts in a job. We were AWFUL last night, absolutely dire. Shocking football being played by a group of players who looked like they've never played together before. The Aaronson sub was weird beyond belief. And not getting Rutter or Gnonto onto the pitch when desperate for a bit of energy to see the game out is just plain wrong. Don't want to see Bamford's miss but I can imagine it - we've seen it time and time again over the years.
And of course Vardy who hasn't scored in 19 games grabbed a goal (should have had a hat trick). Bournemouth away next who feel a lot more galvanised as a team rather than our disjointed farce so I can see us getting beat. Then theres the small issue of Man City and Newcastle where we'll likely get absolutely pumped.
"West Ham beat Arsenal 5-1 in the FA youth Cup last night. The class of ’99 might be a stretch (Cole, Carrick) but fingers crossed some of them break through."
Gideon Kodua's chipped goal for the 3rd was something else, well worth a rewatch.
pray for Arsenal / normal service has been resumed at the top
The West Ham v Liverpool game is incredibly open. Entertaining but ragged.
Arsenal are being torn apart here, just the score doesn't reflect it yet.
Men against boys this. Arsenal can’t get the ball.
Ben White's big feet!!
And Chelsea’s great form continues under Frank. They need to be looking over their shoulders
He really needs to quit this managerial lark. Five games, five defeats, one goal scored. No new manager bounce - they were better under Potter!
He really needs to quit this managerial lark. Five games, five defeats, one goal scored. No new manager bounce – they were better under Potter!
Beautiful isn't it 🙂
I'm just enjoying the fact that (more through accident than design) we no longer seem have to have the most clueless owners in the league, due to the two-horse race presently going on for that particular title in London 🤣
I was listening to the Monday Night Club this week and Chris Sutton voiced what many of us on this thread have said all along... having watched Spurs play this season, how on earth are they not down there with Chelsea?
I suppose the obvious answer to that is Harry Kane.
It'll be interesting to see if they spaff his transfer fee at the end of the season in the same scattergun way they've made all their recent signings.
Would doubt Kane will end up at Chelsea, even if Pochettino takes over. More probable destination is United I think. Binners - looking forward already to next seasons thread, when Kane struggles to stay upright in a red shirt…..
ten Hag is probably on eBay now looking for a pair of stabilisers for him
With 2 teams from Manchester playing at Wembley for the FA Cup final, there are going to be no trains running from Manchester to London on that day.
Could anything possibly sum up modern Britain more than that?
there are going to be no trains running from Manchester to London on that day.
Hardly going to affect Man Utd supporters that mind.
4 minutes?
You lot are slacking 😂
Seriously though... The utterly useless Avanti West Coast had already said they weren't going to lay any extra trains on, but now with a rail strike there won't be any trains at all
The M6 will be fun! I'm sure Highways England will choose that day for major roadworks and reduce it to one lane between Stoke and Birmingham
I was listening to the Monday Night Club this week and Chris Sutton voiced what many of us on this thread have said all along… having watched Spurs play this season, how on earth are they not down there with Chelsea?
This week's MNC ripped Spurs apart, was funny to listen to
there are going to be no trains running from Manchester to London on that day.
I expect the FA are currently working out alternate locations that would better suit mancunians, after all "football is for the fans" as they repeatedly told us when they shat themselves in the superleague debacle.
and I am also sure that the new "independent" football regulator won't be a London based gravy train for a financial supporter of the government making the appointment.
Talking of Superleague debacle, I just started watching this documentary on Apple TV about the detail behind it. Its very indepth, and features interviews with a lot of the people involved
We all knew it was bad, and that it went absolutely against everything that football is meant to be, but the sheer monstrous level of deceit, lies, double-crossing and backstabbing carried out by the owners of the clubs involved is absolutely off the chart. The self-serving greed is truly beyond belief!
Its coming to something when you make UEFA, the FA and FIFA look like the good guys!
Hmmmm. Do I spend 30 quid on a month's BT subscription to watch two toon matches?
Hmmmm. Do I spend 30 quid on a month’s BT subscription to watch two toon matches?
Nothing has made me want to get BT Sports, it's too expensive, i'd rather just watch one of the youtube streams where fans are commentating and updating, let them pay 30 quid 😂
BT's worth it for the European stuff - i nearly always miss the match on Saturdays though, as i'm out on my bike.
Its coming to something when you make UEFA, the FA and FIFA look like the good guys!
That looks like a UEFA commissioned "documentary" to make them look good. Another organisation that claimed they wanted to protect football for the fans yet this week said they were considering playing the CL final in the US, which is clearly "for the fans" and not just a bunch of money grabbing suits ****ing the fans over again.
And who could forget this masterpiece.
That looks like a UEFA commissioned “documentary” to make them look good
Well if that was the intention, then it fails miserably. Believe me, nobody comes out of it looking good. They’re all sharks.
But Andrea Agnelli at Juventus and Florentino Pérez at Real, the 2 main driving forces behind it all, come across as two of the most loathsome human beings imaginable. They seem to think they have some god-given right to tell everyone else how things are, while extracting billions. They firmly seem to believe that they own the entire sport of football. Utter ****s!
"i’d rather just watch one of the youtube streams where fans are commentating and updating, let them pay 30 quid 😂"
Yep, I sometimes do this, the guy who does the 'Hammers Chat' watchalongs is really good.
Daz… a word of warning about BT sports…
Well, 2 words of warning actually…
Steve McManomanomanomanoman
Steve McManomanomanomanoman
Ah yes the Scouse Muppet sometimes, it's so high pitched I don't hear it.
Kane to die (dive) horribly in the first 10 minutes.
Get in!!!!
Took us a few minutes longer than it took Newcastle 🤣
I thought I was imagining it, but the PA at Spurs played the Stone Roses as the players were booed off at half time 🤣
https://twitter.com/danmellett/status/1651679151034626089?s=20
https://twitter.com/Debaser92/status/1651678401118318592?s=20
I can't work out if the chanting is the united fans for the Glazers out or the Spurs fans for Levy out, or both?
Time for Everton to try the Championship I think. They are awful.
God only knows how we managed to throw that away?
Maybe it was Fred’s 100% pass conversion rate… to Spurs players
He was spectacularly awful tonight
Spursy! 😂
Indeed! 😂
Should have been put to bed by half time that.
Balls! Back up 2 spots. That's the wrong way, we want 8th ffs! Useless tw***!
I can’t work out if the chanting is the united fans for the Glazers out or the Spurs fans for Levy out, or both?
Amazon did "all or nothing", maybe channel 5 could do a more low rent football documentary based on wife swap, where Levi runs united for a season, and the glazers go to Spurs, they could call it "tears and tantrums".
It could give ‘Sunderland til I die’ a run for its money! 😂
Talking of which, today is the latest (non) deadline in the rolling farce of the will they/won’t they United ‘sale’
My prediction is that they pull the plug on the whole thing by this afternoon and its ‘as you were’
They then refinance the club yet again, next week and pay themselves the equivalent of the GDP of Portugal in share dividends
Cue the Stretford End once again erupting in impotent rage and TH gets told there’s no money for transfers this summer but we’re keeping Weghorst on loan for next season
This season has gone so well, we’re due some catastrophic decision making. Maybe they’ll cash in and sell Rashford to PSG?
It is farcical how many teams are owned by the wrong people, who seem driven by personal profit, have a worrying lack of concern for the club as a long term viable one, and don't even seem very capable. We've discussed this before though.
At least, post the Superleague debacle, we all know exactly where we stand in the grand scheme of things.
As United supporters at least we always knew from day one that our owners were parasites who couldn't give a toss whether they were running a football club or selling fridge freezers, all that mattered was milking it for as much personal profit as possible, even if that meant running the club into the ground
I used to take the piss out of my scouse mates who were somehow labouring under the quaint delusion that FSG were in some way different from the Glazers. Bless. Of course FSG were balls deep in the whole Superleague plot and now that its dead in the water they want out, but their limitless greed means they also want as much money as possible so Liverpool are now in the same boat as us. As they always were, of course.
I don't mind Sean Dyche really. Seems a decent bloke but he's walked into a car crash at Goodison. They look resigned to their fate now. As soon as Newcastle got the 2nd they folded badly which seems unlike a Dyche team to me. However, once again, the media seem to focus on their demise (and Spurs' awful defending last week) rather than Newcastle playing some of the best football they've played in my lifetime. Like Keegan's teams but with more professionalism, shape and yes, shithousery.
Howe has done better than any single fan could have reasonably expected, taking over a team last year 2nd bottom of the league with an imbalanced squad, of zero confidence, no discernable style of play or enough fitness. And before people mention the money, 9 of the 15 players who were involved in rolling Spur's over were there before the takeover and Howe. 18 months on, 1 cup final and potentially Champions League. Manager of the Year.
As United supporters at least we always knew from day one that our owners were parasites who couldn’t give a toss whether they were running a football club or selling fridge freezers, all that mattered was milking it for as much personal profit as possible, even if that meant running the club into the ground
It's ironic given the criticism aimed at the arab owned clubs that right now City and Newcastle are looking like the most well run, and most community engaged football clubs in the league. You can probably add Liverpool to that, and they are definitely the exception amongst those clubs owned by rapacious american billionaires. Who knows, maybe a healthy dose of sportswashing is a good thing??
It’s ironic given the criticism aimed at the arab owned clubs that right now City and Newcastle are looking like the most well run
Are they really being well run or are they just not having the constraints of other clubs which makes their lives/fans lives easier ?
That. And the danger for them is I think similar to abromivic Chelsea. Either boredom or an external shock that forces change.
I thought I was imagining it, but the PA at Spurs played the Stone Roses as the players were booed off at half time 🤣
PA Man has clearly had enough of Spursiness.
"I'm standing alone, I'm watching you all, I'm seeing you sinking"
I don’t mind Sean Dyche really. Seems a decent bloke but he’s walked into a car crash at Goodison. They look resigned to their fate now.
I think that was the whole point of his appointment and could end up as a very shrewd move. I reckon the board at Everton accepted after sacking Frank that they were likely doomed for the drop and they needed a manager to rebuild a squad on reduced Championship money and mount a promotion campaign, hence appointing Dyche. He's already done it twice.
I reckon he's a smart enough bloke to have a lot of clauses put in his contract that its him who gets the final say on transfers etc and what he says go's, not one of the owners mates
It’s ironic given the criticism aimed at the arab owned clubs that right now City and Newcastle are looking like the most well run,
Theres definitely a lot of envy as we watch Citeh's owners pour more and more billions into the already fantastic infrastructure of the club and surrounding areas. They've just announced yet another massive investment.
All while across town, our owners are looking at yet more dodgy refinancing packages to extract yet more debt-fuelled money from the club. When you go to OT on match days and it doesn't look like the ground of one of the worlds biggest clubs, because they haven't spent a penny on developing any facilities since they arrived. Apparently the training ground facilities all show the same signs of years of asset stripping and neglect
and most community engaged football clubs in the league.
To be fair, Manchester United's Foundation and Everton both have plenty of local community engagement too, as I'm sure are do many others, if not all. How much of this is to do with the owners is, however, questionable.
When you go to OT on match days and it doesn’t look like the ground of one of the worlds biggest clubs, because they haven’t spent a penny on developing any facilities since they arrived
This could be Newcastle under Ashley. Same with the training ground with its wheelie bins for ice baths and repurposed kids paddling pool. It's not right to suggest it is all about money though. The board have spent wisely on a new manager (who was out of work remember) and his backroom staff as well as scouts/analysts, the training ground and a bit of cash on smartening up SJP but I still think that would be less Ashley would have blithely spent on a French midfielder in the hope he turned a profit on him in 2 years. Everton have spent something like £600m on players since Moshiri took over and when you look at their squad, there aren't many players who they could sell for ££s if they go down. Newcastle are very aware of FFP so I don't expect City level of spending any time soon but more well scouted buys and more effort spent on increasing commercial revenues.
The Newcastle "project" is currently running ahead of schedule.
Most people I know were expecting a top 8 finish, top 6 would of been brilliant.
A top 4 finish would totally changes things, however, the squad isn't deep enough to compete at that level, so some signings would be needed to compete. The extra revenue would help but it would need more investment from the owners.
Next season is going to be completely different to this one, you would expect to see Liverpool and Chelsea far more competitive and Villa will be up there to.
It’s not right to suggest it is all about money though.
Couldn't agree more. Its about an attitude. It means the owners don't any value of investment above the bare minimum to stop things literally falling apart. They don't see any value in providing better surroundings for the fans on matchdays. They don't see the point in providing world class training facilities for players and coaches, despite spending vast sums of money on them (this I REALLY don't get). They don't see that a clubs ground etc should reflect its status. Its all just about the bottom line and how much money they can make.
To use a phrase often thrown at a certain breed of politician: They understand the price of everything and the value of nothing
For the record, I think what the new owners are doing at Newcastle looks very smart, very well thought through and there is clearly a plan and a solid agenda. Its obviously being well managed at every level. The bottom line is that they're making this project while playing some fantastic football which is brilliant to watch. Whats not to like? Other than you finishing above us, obviously 😉
To be fair, Newcastle this year have been good because so many of those 'bad' players have turned good, last night Joelinton put on a show, Almiron was back and doing his thing, Joe Willock looking like a call up isn't far away, Wilson on form, Longstaff using this season to reignite his game, it's been a shock seeing so many players laughed at before playing to their potential, at the same time as the new players come in and hit the ground running.
Problem for them is that they've over performed this year, next season will be harder for them, the gaps in the team were obvious last year, not so much this year.
Are they really being well run or are they just not having the constraints of other clubs which makes their lives/fans lives easier ?
No, they're simply being very well run. Aside from the money spent on players, the investments they're making into the grounds, infrastructure, training facilities and the surrounding communities (talking mostly about City as the toon are still in the early stages but have similar ambitions) could easily be made by other clubs. Why are the other clubs not doing that? As binners says it's because their owners don't give a shit. Maybe city and Newcastle's owners are doing all that in response to the criticism they receive, but I doubt it. I think they simply have bigger ambitions than just owning a football club for the prestige, and understand that it's about more than just what happens on the pitch.
Citeh often get hammered for "buying the league" but they've spent less than others in the top 10 in the last 10 years
People have very short memories. Man Yoo spent fortunes in the Ferguson era and still do. Liverpool used to win the league in late 70s, early 80s then go out and buy the best 1 or 2 players available and throw them in the reserve team until they were ready for 1st team action. None of this is new but the sums of money involved are now bonkers
None of this is new but the sums of money involved are now bonkers
Even Sunderland were known as the "Bank of England" club in the 1940's and had a big financial scandal in 1957. Fined and directors suspended.
Citeh often get hammered for “buying the league” but they’ve spent less than others in the top 10 in the last 10 years
If anyone thinks its easy to 'buy a league' than I'd point them in the direction of Everton - 600 million in and nailed on relegation, Chelsea - 650 million THIS SEASON ALONE and presently in 11th and absolutely dismal! and United - Pogba, over his contract, cost us 350 million in transfer fees and wages and was utter shite then left on a free!
Oh, that it was that easy. Like most problems, just throwing money at it rarely does the trick. All the examples above tried it and failed because they all had one thing in common... absolutely clueless owners who thought that throwing money at it was the solution and not addressing the real issue, which is their own appalling management
There's still a direct correlation between huge financial backing and success. Prior to their takeover you wouldn't consider city in the top ten. Same with Chelsea 20 years previously.
Even Sunderland were known as the “Bank of England” club in the 1940’s and had a big financial scandal in 1957. Fined and directors suspended.
Manchester united needed city fans to have a whip round fund their kits (hence the nickname the rags) before a businessman bought the club and started injecting money.
Liverpool went on a quite remarkable spending spree to buy their way out of the second division in the 60's to kickstart their success.
Prior to their takeover you wouldn’t consider city in the top ten.
There was a time, within my lifetime, when Aston Villa and Everton would have had the highest average league position. I suspect that even before the takeover city would still have been in the top 10 in the average league position table.
It seems that the people who try and bash city's history, don't actually know much history.
And are not from Manchester... probably from Salford, Staines, Singapore or Stockholm
There’s still a direct correlation between huge financial backing and success.
Except in Reading's case, obviously. 🙂 Didn't you get done for financial misconduct by the EFL and docked points a while back? Who owns you these days?
I suspect that even before the takeover city would still have been in the top 10 in the average league position table.
Top ten twice in the previous half-decade, I think. Obviously the investment was transformative, but shrewd management and buying the right players (mostly) made a massive difference as well.
Mainly Renhe Sports Management Ltd after a succession of dodgy foreign owners.
No financial irregularities, the money was just resting in the account.
1-0 down ATM so will playing market towns next year.
Tractor Boys are Championship bound! 🎉
Was hoping for a Plymouth cock-up but that can wait until the next game. Fantastic result from the Tractor Boys, what a way to secure promotion!
Fantastic result from the Tractor Boys, what a way to secure promotion!
Goal difference currently +66 👍
Just popped on to get an update on how everyones got on
Some happy, some not so much?
Well done to the Tractor Boys!
A couple more goal-fests today. The Brighton score? WTF?
Can't believe United v Villa isn't televised tomorrow. It should be an absolute corker and I'm not confident at all after the 2nd half collapse to Spuds. Somehow I've ended up with a house full of scousers again tomorrow for the Liverpool Spurs game
@neilnevill - can you lend me a Spurs top? 😀
Mainly Renhe Sports Management Ltd after a succession of dodgy foreign owners.
No financial irregularities, the money was just resting in the account.
1-0 down ATM so will playing market towns next year.
Got a draw in the end so still not officially down, but we're stood on the chalk mark, the hood's over our head and Huddersfield are moving to the lever with their 2 games in hand.
But - it's not over yet. Huddersfield's games are not nailed on, away at Cardiff and then Sheff Utd in mid week. They need 4 or more from them to make next weekend's game against us irrelevant. A win and a loss, 2 draws, or less and there's still all to play for. 2 losses in particular - would make their GD go below ours and then a draw favours us, one win one loss for them could push their GD below or level to ours and make a win still enough for us on the last day by GD. So many permutations.
And then Rotherham have 'Boro tomorrow but Wigan on last day, so although Wigan are down the professional pride of ****ing someone else's season up can be strong. And Rotherham have shit GD too, so they could end up below both us and Hudds.
And then finally -
Who manages Huddersfield?
Who used to manage Sheff Utd and Cardiff and is loved by them?
And who hates Reading?
Our fate is almost literally in the hands of Neil Warnock.....
97th minute winner for bradford today, playing second in the table Northampton. Dented the cobblers hopes of auto promotion temporarily, and definitely boosted our play off position. Woop 😁
If you’ve not watched MOTD from last night then it’s worth a viewing just for the Pascal Groß screamer which it’s difficult to see not being goal of the season. Gazza-esque!
Edit: Here we are
https://twitter.com/eurofootcom/status/1652419538598744065?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
I think he's been watching a Luis Suarez YouTube highlights vid ( not the biting one)
Southampton haven't read the script here mind!
In Eddie we trust....
2nd Half - Touches in opposition box - Newcastle 30 - Southampton 0
I would love to know what he says at half time?
Spurs showing real consistency!
Edit, almost a blueprint of last Sunday!!😀
Spurs 2 down in 5 minutes......they couldn't could they. It's beyond Spursey
Liverpool to out-do Newcastle against Spurs? 😂
I know Romero is a World Cup winner, but he is abysmal. So is Porro. And Dier. And Davies. Kane is the only player we have who could get in any other team in the league. The rest of them are ****.
I can just imagine Nagelsmann watching this and thinking "yup, Spurs are the team for me".
BBC reporting there are Spurs fans leaving already
Another round of refunds for Spurs travelling fans?
Great comment by Gary Neville
“Looks like the Spurs players are going to be reimbursing the fans again. They might as well set up a direct debit”
😂
Spurs being ever more Spursey, they aren't out of this yet!
Kane trying to get a fellow pro sent off again, why is he allowed so much access to the ref to give pointers every game?
As Spursey as it gets!