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I guess it’s the Chelsea way but it’s very muddled thinking. Sign a coach who’s worked well with a smallish group of players, buy loads of players that he probably didn’t have much say in buying, then sack him a few weeks later. Tuchel must have a wry smile on his face tonight.
It looks like Chelsea are looking at the Glazers/Ed Woodward model of club ownership - spaffing huge amounts of money on players with no apparent coherent strategy - and saying ‘that looks like it went well, so let’s go with that’
It's just a weird old season, think there's a few one offs this year, you won't have Chelsea as bad next season, Man City will be business as usual and Arsenal will probably strengthen again, ManU are a team with a huge squad, and will add again i dare say, i think if they got someone like Osihmen in they'd be challenging again, they've sorted out most of the team, but like Chelsea, they're a bit short of an actual forward who can just focus on getting the goals.
Will/can chelsea steal two brighton managers in one season.
It has been apparent for months that Rodgers has been hanging on waiting to be sacked to pick up the compensation. As for Chelsea… there is that saying that money can’t buy you taste, and in the world of football it has long been the case of simply throwing money at players doesn’t work unless there is a cohesive plan; so glad that that the new rich kid on the block has flopped at the first time of asking.
The US owner or Manager?
Chelsea’s new owner has the same input in team selection as the last one. I doubt Potter had much say (if any) in the players that were bought at absolutely enormous cost
Whichever mug they get in next will be in the same boat and probably last about as long, before his huge payoff
Didn’t Maureen famously make 25 million from Chelsea with his repeated sackings?
Tough gig!
I wonder what Potters contract entitles him too. Wasn’t it a 6 year deal he signed?
Edit: just googled it and he’ll apparently walk away with 50 million. That’s on top of the 22 million they paid Brighton to buy out his contract 😳
Not surprised it hasn’t worked for Potter. It was definitely the worst fit of any of the “big 6”. He was never going to get the time to build a team that he was given at Brighton.
He was with us for 3 and a bit seasons and it only really clicked for us at the back end of last season.
The only good thing for him is that things not working out at Chelsea doesn’t harm his chances of getting another mid-lower premier league club and he’s probably pretty high up on the list of any of the clubs below Chelsea in the bottom half that are looking for a long term replacement for their current manager.
Wouldn’t even be surprised to see someone like West Ham sack Moyes now to try and beat the other clubs that might be interested.
Come on the Villa!
El Shalimo - the buys were obviously the US owner’s choice, underlined by the ridiculous contracts which enabled them to get round fair play rules.
What is it about Kane, that play acting was a disgrace, yet the commentators are backing him to the hilt, England captain, can do no wrong, but every week you see his theatrics, chasing the ref and whinging but gets a free pass from the press.
If Fernandes did that at ManU they'd be hounding him.
Ah, spursy indeed
Cracking game that. Really enjoyed it.
What is it about Kane, that play acting was a disgrace, yet the commentators are backing him to the hilt
Kane and Grealish are a blight and no one in the media is calling them out over this.
yet the commentators are backing him to the hilt, England captain, can do no wrong
See also: “Englands Lionheart’ John Terry.
A truly vile human being on so many levels, but it appears that once you get appointed Engerland captain, the press then revere you as deity and you can do what the hell you like without fear of any criticism
The Bruno comparison is a good one. He’s nowhere near as bad as Kane for diving, moaning at refs and general whiney carrying on, but regularly gets slated for it, when there’s not a word about Kane.
John Terry the living embodiment of a far right Klansmen playing football. One of most unspeakable crimes was parking his 100k+ range rover in the disabled space at Asda. Who'd shop there if they were loaded?
I didn't actually watch the match last night (though I had bet on a draw) so didn't see the Kane incident. I've watched it this morning. Dear god, that is absolutely embarrassing. I don't know how you'd have the nerve to ever show your face in public again with that kind of carry on
Mind you, its not like Spurs haven't got form for this kind of thing. Erik Lamela did exactly the same to get Tony Marshall sent off a few years back. The barest of contacts and he went down like he'd been smashed in the face with a baseball bat
Just listened to the Sky Sports bit, Neville backing Kane to the hilt, it was a hand to the face, Kane went down a second later like he'd been punched by Tyson Fury and stayed down for ages, can't believe they're actually defending this, it's a part of the game that's been laughed at for years by other sports, yet when Kane does it, it's suddenly acceptable part of the game.
I just get annoyed at players doing this, but even more annoyed when there's a player who actually gets backing from the media and commentators after doing it!
Fortunately I also like rugby which is still allowing the occasional body contact. Of course raising and pushing someone's face is wrong but clearly the force applied didn't warrant that reaction. At least Terry Butcher looked like some sort if contact had occurred.
Kane's antics were embarrassing.
However, it was a red card. The problem is that if players don't go down, then often don't get the foul.
There is also the point that Kane himself committed at least 2 yellow card offenses in the play immediate before the hand to face.
I watched the last 30 mins or so of the Spurs game last night - it was like watching a kids match. Felt like Spurs had been ordered to play out from the back but never actually practiced playing out from the back before. Everton deserved the equaliser even though they were only marginally better. Spurs looked absolutely clueless...
To give them their due, Everton battled, and the sending off and the penalty put some fire in them, earlier this year they'd have gone the other way, so you have to give their players and management some credit, they are still a team without a real forward, but if they continue to put that kind of shift in then they should be safe.
I'm not sure what Carragher and Neville were saying last night. It seems to oscillate between Kane overacting right through to 'but if a team mate hadn't done that when we were playing then we'd have had a word in the changing room afterwards'
Spurs playing out from the back is just brilliant. Unless you're a Spurs fan that is, in which case it must be like watching a toddler move a chair over so he can reach the knife drawer.
Spurs playing out from the back is just brilliant. Unless you’re a Spurs fan that is, in which case it must be like watching a toddler move a chair over so he can reach the knife drawer.
As a Leeds fan, watching them playing out from the back under the later months of Bielsa's reign and during Marsch's tenure was bad enough but Spurs took it up a level. Watching Romero (who is an absolute psychopath) trying to calmly pass the ball wide when he had two players on his shoulder which then led to a good Everton shot was hilarious as an impartial bystander.
Oh that's bad. Reading -6, points that is.
As a Leeds fan, watching them playing out from the back under the later months of Bielsa’s reign and during Marsch’s tenure was bad enough but Spurs took it up a level.
I have never sworn as much as when Ten Hag first turned up and insisted on trying to play out from the back with a defence with Harry Maguire in it. That didn't last long. Watching Spurs try the same is hilarious
Oh that’s bad. Reading -6, points that is.
I wonder what will happen to Everton and when...
However, it was a red card. The problem is that if players don’t go down, then often don’t get the foul.
This. No point complaining about diving unless players get the decision if they stay on their feet.
Chelsea need to bring back Lampard……..in midfield
Two midtable sides grind out dull 0-0 draw
I only saw the absolutely awful second half, but it looked like neither side could string more than two passes together
It’s difficult to see where on earth all that money has gone at Chelsea. They look like a pub side
As a Leeds fan it was a huge relief getting 3 points against Forest in the battle at the bottom. Our position has been much helped by Villa beating Leicester and Brighton winning at Bournemouth. If only Spurs could have been less Spursey when Everton went down to 10 men we would have had nearly a full set of results go our way. Here's hoping Saudi United can get a result against West Ham later tonight. MOT
Oh dear god! Cooper has just had the dreaded 'vote of confidence' from the owner
https://twitter.com/NFFC/status/1643581494856753154?s=20
Gone before the next game then?
United v Brentford is another match not on the tellybox tonight. Given our form at the moment and the painful memories of our last meeting, I think thats probably the best for my blood pressure
The Bruno comparison is a good one. He’s nowhere near as bad as Kane for diving, moaning at refs and general whiney carrying on, but regularly gets slated for it, when there’s not a word about Kane.
Just spat my tea out tbf, old rat face is absolutely odious, a vile player. Kane isn't brilliant but your chap makes him look a saint! I genuinely don't think a fan of any other team would agree with that statement.
Anyway, Leeds won and another at the weekend should see us well on the way to safety. MOT, ALAW.
I genuinely don’t think a fan of any other team would agree with that statement.
I'm a fan of another team and think Kane is a cheating artisan, sure Bruno goes over at times but he comes from a country that belched out that Mourinho team Porto, that played an abysmal final against Celtic 20 years ago. Not sure where in North London Kane learnt his trade.
Kane learnt the dark arts under a series of managers with form in that area, Poch, Maureen, Conte (utter shitebag as a player ), Sherwood wasn't afraid of a dirty tackle either
A win far more convincing than the scoreline suggested sets us up for another massive game vs Palace at the weekend.
Like Binners, I watched a good portion of the Chelsea Liverpool game - it was as dire as the Everton Spurs game...
This did make me laugh after the Spuds game
https://twitter.com/jjenas8/status/1642994463457910784?s=20
I suspect he's expressing the feelings of a lot of people there 😂
Still in 4th and the Champions League places though. Christ only knows how.
As sure as the sun rises each day, Spurs will be fourth.
Frank’s back! The Chelsea way eh! Just when you thought it couldn’t be more scattergun…
Maybe this time it'll work for him. He's nothing to lose being loaded and all that.
Hopefully he’ll do ok enough to get the job like Ole did at United 😀
That's why they don't flag until after the active passage of play has passed.
Proper use of VAR.
So looking like frank back at chelsea till the end of the season.
Brilliant! Chelsea have hit their ‘King Kenny’ moment 😂
I suppose it was inevitable. I wonder how many hundreds of millions he’ll get to spend before they sack him (again)
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Chelsea need to bring back Lampard……..in midfield
Todd you eejit! You only read the first part of my post 😳
That was potentially a tricky away fixture, and I know WHU have contributed to their own downfall but Newcastle's intensity with and without the ball has again impressed.
As the rain comes down - Wet Sham indeed.
ooh - that's five!
I'd be amazed Moyes doesn't get his P45 after this abject performance - never seen a stadium empty so quickly with over 10 minutes to play. Not good for their goal difference either, which might be a factor come the death.
Get ‘Arry in!
Newcastle are playing well, and full of confidence, and it's the old players who are doing their most for this run, you have Joelinton with 2 goals and a performance tonight, Wilson with 2, Saint-Maximin in form, etc, etc.
They've got a good mix in there, the big new players are all doing good as well, they're ahead of schedule for where they should be going, which is a good thing if they finish top 4, might not be so good if they miss out on a CL place though, but pretty sure we'll find out in the summer what teams are up for the big fight next season.
As a Leeds supporter, the last two nights couldn’t have gone much better. MOT.
That was potentially a tricky away fixture,
It really wasn't. West Ham have been awful for over a year now.
West Hams defence is a total shambles. That was an absolutely shocking performance tonight. You can’t defend like that against a side like Newcastle because they’ll murder you! Which they duly did
To score 5 past another premiership club with a team that consists of Murphy and Longstaff is real good going...
Is Joelinton now challenging Xhaka for the 'Unexpected Career Renaissance' award?
They're both well into 'WTF?!' territory now.
I suppose thats what happens when you've a decent manager who plays you where you actually want to play?
Why Frank at Chelsea? I really don't get this.
He was pretty poor at Derby
Pretty poor and tactically clueless at Chelsea 1st time
Poor and tactically clueless at Everton
How?
Because Chelsea are presently following the Man Yoo/Glazers business model (because its obviously worked so well at Old Trafford)
Clueless American Owners? Tick.
Completely scattergun and inexplicable transfer policy, throwing money around like a pissed sailor on shore leave, without any idea of any plan or strategy? Tick.
Manager with clearly no say in said transfers as the players are signed by the marketing department? Tick
They've just arrived at their Ole moment in double quick time
I'm sure it'll all work out really well.
Lets all just sit back, enjoy the ride and try not to s**** too much. Maybe they're gearing up for a relegation scrap as Franks got a bit of experience on that front? 😀
The club know they're not going to win anything this year (including European football) so don't really care and presumably Frank thinks it's going to be the thing that turns has career around.
You could argue that not rushing into deciding who they want to give 50 million to in six months time is pretty sensible by Chelsea's standards!
I agree with you @wbo Lampard's been at best, bang average and he doesn't strike me as the type to go and learn from other people. Compare and contrast with Eddie Howe
Lampard's track record:
Derby - borrowed a load of Chelsea youngsters and got within 1 game of the Premiership but ultimately failed.
Chelsea - failed. Tuchel got the same team (they had a transfer embargo didn't they so couldn't bring in any new players?) to the CL title a few months later.
Everton - bang average to start off with. Somehow Richarlison and Pickford had a storming couple of months that dragged the team away from the relegation zone in the last 3 or 4 games of the season. Following season showed his true colours and failed.
Now Chelsea want him back? Its absolutely brilliant... Looks like his first game back might be Wolves away who are dire although I don't think new manager bounce applies to Lampard. Wolves win incoming...
Baffling decision from Chelsea - he's just been sacked at Everton for being below average, after being sacked by Chelsea for the same.
They're lucky they are on 39 pts otherwise I could see them going down.
Baffling is a good description for this Lampard absurdity. Frank's not hungry enough [insert joke here] and for someone well educated, he's tactically naïve. Just wonder if they'll be a 'director of football', his boss, installed.
Very strange game last night. Moyes days must be numbered.
West Ham seem to have some very good individuals but can't play as a team, their defence is truly woeful.
Hopefully Newcastle can carry on the same on Saturday.
Murphy and Longstaff
Both have been very good the last few weeks.
Very strange game last night.
Yup. Despite the defensive farce West Ham put up more of a fight than Man U did on Saturday. Dan Burn in particular had a bit of a mare. Joelinton however had quite the game. He's a like a skilful Viera who can score goals.
Murphy and Longstaff
Weird comment. They've been quietly and consistently effective all season. Yes they're nothing special on their own, but proof that this team is worth a lot more than the sum of its parts.
IDK why I don't notice Murphy as much (less starting XI appearances I guess) but Longstaff's energy and importance in the press is huge, plus he seems to have a knack for getting into dangerous places. If he could finish better I suspect we wouldn't see comments like that. Goals aside i think he is quite underrated.
I also just like having local lads in the side, so while both Burn and Longstaff might be looking over their shoulders when transfer windows open, I hope they remain with the club and with the youngsters (Gillespie, Anderson) provide that link to the city.
I'm not a Newcastle fan but I'm glad Joelinton is doing well. He caught a lot of rubbish for being a rubbish striker when he should never have been bought as one in the first place, and was already a very good midfielder.
I also like Fred for similar reasons - good, honest hard worker with some decent performances on the quiet.
That's why managers pick players despite what the fans might want
Has this been on here yet? Teddy Sheringham is proper funny......
as opposed to trophyless ?
I also just like having local lads in the side
Yeah the toon wouldn't be the toon without some geordies in the team. Howe seems to recognise that. I have high hopes for Anderson, he's not had a lot of game time but has looked good when he's got on the pitch. Longstaff is one of those players who goes unnoticed because a lot of the good stuff he does is when he doesn't have the ball. Also a big fan of Willock. His finishing has been a bit off this season but he always finds scoring positions. I know there'll be a couple (at least) of big buys in the summer but I'm hoping there's a place in the squad/team for these guys next season as they deserve it.
Things now looking dire for the largest club in Berkshire. Can't remember when we were last in the third tier.
Also a big fan of Willock.
Always notice him when watching, he does a good job and works hard for the team, same as most of them these days.
Good to see Burnley back up at the first attempt tonight, honestly thought they would be near bust now and another one of those teams dropping down the leagues due to the mismanagement they suffered, but they've gone and done the opposite!
Things now looking dire for the largest club in Berkshire.
6 games left, next 4 against top 8 sides where on current form I can't see where the points are coming. Preston, Luton, Burnley and Coventry.
Could well be done for beforehand, conversely I can't at the moment see how we'll be safe before the last game - and then we have to go to Neil Warnock's resurgent Huddersfield.
Doomed, I tell you
Things now looking dire for the largest club in Berkshire. Can’t remember when we were last in the third tier.
as a S****horpe local, not that I've ever supported them and it's been probably 20 years since I went to a match, seeing them slip from the Championship not 12/13 years ago, to successive relegations, from League 2, a and now almost mathematically out of the National League into the National League North, it's sad to see how quick the demise can sometimes be
there's a few down there - Torquay, York, Oldham, Yeovil, and at the other end Notts Co, Wrexham, Chesterfield - very easy to drop out of 'the league' nowadays.
Good to see Burnley back up at the first attempt tonight, honestly thought they would be near bust now and another one of those teams dropping down the leagues due to the mismanagement they suffered, but they’ve gone and done the opposite!
Yeah I thought they would be slipping down the leagues and facing financial problems. I though it was a mistake from both Burnley and Kompany when he was appointed, but they have been great once he got his ideas over.
Going to be tough next year though, I think they have a fair few players on loan, so probably another rebuilding job rather than just adding a bit more quality.
Yeah, great to see them back up. I was another who feared the worst for them after looking at the detail of their buyout, they seemed doomed. I thought sacking Dyche was a huge mistake and could potentially send them into freefall
I’ve got a real soft spot for Burnley. I spent a great summer working for UCFB at Turf Moor a few years back and it was such a well run club, with a fantastic atmosphere about the place. Seemed like the very last place to see a daft leveraged buyout based on dodgy numbers
Kompany has been a great appointment and they’ve been really entertaining to watch this season. Hopefully they can put the frighteners on a few big clubs next season (and they’ll stop conceding their traditional 5 goals at Citeh). Turf Moor is an intimidating place to come. It’s just one of those grounds
It's a tough one. I was as skeptical as anyone, when some of the details of the Burnley buyout became public, complained about the sales of all of our 'best' players etc.
When you listen to Alan Pace speak about the club and the town, it's difficult to see him as a mini Glazer and I do find myself warming to him.
VK on the other hand is just fantastic. I have no doubt that he will at some point go on to much bigger things than Burnley.
For next year I just hope that some of our loan players, realise that they have a good thing here in East Lancs and stick with us.
Is Joelinton now challenging Xhaka for the ‘Unexpected Career Renaissance’ award?
They’re both well into ‘WTF?!’ territory now.
Junior Firpo at Leeds would like them to hold his beer!
Hilarious with Lampard, utter failure even with all the leg ups. I especially enjoy the transfer embargo narrative since they'd already agreed a £50m transfer and decent loan to buy that were still allowed to go through, without losing many players from their huge squad! Since Touchel's Chams League victory was credited to Lampard I assume he'll be able to repeat the achievement this season given he's picking up at around the same spot?
For even more mega lolz I see Jessie Marsch is set for Leicester! Nice enough bloke but why anyone would look at his appalling management and tactics at Leeds and think he's their guy is truly mind-blowing. Prepare for Penis Ball, Foxes!
Some honourable mentions there but I think for me that Lazarus of the year would go to Xhaka. Especially if they win the title.
Celtic get the result today, with quite possibly the worst performance i've seen this year, but that's how you win titles!
As for Lazarus of the Year, so many this year, Newcastle have Joelinton, Almiron, Rashford, Xhaka, Partey, etc, etc, it's been a funny season, but then again, they're all big signings or players.