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I think Klopp needs medicating if he thinks Lovren is good enough.
He was good before he arrived at Anfield. A well trodden route for defenders
And Lindelof has only had one bad game because he never plays, so it's pretty much his only game. As you'd expect from a 30 million quid player
That's a fair point - it does seem to be a defender's graveyard. Not helped by dodgy keepers and no midfield protection - certainly since Mascherano and Alonso were at the club.
Mignolet was almost as bad as Lovren yesterday. The weird thing is, both of them have exceptionally good days too. Yesterday wasn't one for either of them !
Mignolet will pull off great saves - all keepers do. The best make good decisions and fewer mistakes. He's like a rabbit in headlights much of the time.
Mignolet is not a top class keeper, makes to many mistakes. I don't understand why Danny Ward at Liverpool doesn't get a run out, he was excellent on loan at Aberdeen 2 seasons ago, and then was in the Huddersfield team that got promoted last season (saved some crucial penalties in the play-offs). He also played for Wales the in the first match at the Euros, which they won.
Yet despite all that, he isn't even 2nd choice for Liverpool, which I find bizarre.
Mignolet is not a top class keeper, makes to many mistakes. I don't understand why Danny Ward at Liverpool doesn't get a run out, he was excellent on loan at Aberdeen 2 seasons ago, and then was in the Huddersfield team that got promoted last season (saved some crucial penalties in the play-offs). He also played for Wales the in the first match at the Euros, which they won.Yet despite all that, he isn't even 2nd choice for Liverpool, which I find bizarre.
We only get to see them quite rarely, but you're not the first to suggest the Ward idea. But the coaches/managers see them day in day out, so it's a reasonable assumption they see something in their choices.... However, i'd happily give Ward a try !
so much more to goalkeeping than making saves. In fact, one of the key jobs is organisation, and making it hard for the other team to create chances - if you have a lot of saves to make then possibly that bit isn't going so well
(makes me wonder with Mignolet currently, I'll admit - can't he organise or are Liverpool incapable of following his and the manager's prompts)
It's (for example) why i was always a big fan of Grobbelaar, and Pat Jennings in earlier times. The number of times they came for crosses and make catches or punches that prevented opportunities developing, but they are rarely noticed. Drop one, and you're buried for it. Prevention rather than cure, etc. So as said, what happens on the training ground is probably far more relevant to why he keeps getting the shirt on a Saturday vs anyone else.... and when managers start leaving goalkeepers out because of only what is seen on matchday, then it's a case of the press picking the team.
If Liverpool don't think Ward is good enough then let him go.
No shock, but that's Koeman sacked by Everton.
I’m not sure I get that. Who are they going to bring in? Some journalists tweeting that they think Moyes is in line for a return! Be good to see someone like Sean Dyche offered the job.
I think Koeman will find himself another job quite soon. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him take over at Leicester.
Left field (literally) suggestion...... Ryan Giggs?
Be good to see someone like Sean Dyche offered the job.
I never really get this logic. Someone like Dyche (there are always other examples - people going to 'big clubs' like Villa or Newcastle when they're in a spot of trouble) - he's built a decent team that works together as a unit, is improving all the time, and could well finish above Everton this year.
I think he'd be mad to jump ship to the toffees and start having to clear up someone else's mess. But it always happens! See also, er, Ronald Koeman 😆
He has done well at Burnley and a club like Everton would be the next step up. A club that could potentially challenge for top 6 and the cups. I’m not sure Everton will offer it to him as they will probably spend even more money getting someone like Mancini or LvG, which is a shame as British managers don’t seem to get offered these jobs now.
I think Mancini is a spent force now, it has all come out what a temperamental prick he really was.
I wonder who was/is in charge of Everton recruitment, was it actually Koeman? While I don't think he has done a good job this season, he did pretty well last year, but it was the transfer window that caused a disaster.
While I don't think he has done a good job this season, he did pretty well last year, but it was the transfer window that caused a disaster.
I don't buy this argument, end of last season Everton were pretty poor also. And even if Everton can't score because of too many No 10s then that still doesn't excuse the vast amount of goals they've shipped since August. As a comparison Palace have only let in one more goal and they've lost 8 out of 9 games!!
Isn’t Steve Walsh (ex Leicester player and scout) the director of football at Everton? So assume he’s the one buying the players.
I think their biggest issue has been blowing the Lukaku money on lots of average players. Bit like Spurs did when they sold Bale.
Isn’t Steve Walsh (ex Leicester player and scout) the director of football at Everton? So assume he’s the one buying the players.
No, there are 2 Steve Walsh's. One the ex-player, the other the 'Scout/headhunter/advisor" who did pretty well for a while at Leicester, buying good players for little money, however, he later bought some players who have not performed well, but he had left by then for Everton.
they have blown it on lots of good players who ll play in the same position and they dont all fit in the team whilst not bothering to have a striker. The rumour was they had a verbal from Giroud to go that he backed out of at the last minute and they had no other options.I think their biggest issue has been blowing the Lukaku money on lots of average players. Bit like Spurs did when they sold Bale
They also bought a decent keeper and young centre half - but have been shipping goals alarmingly. Can't help but think he's lost the dressing room, if we want to indulge in a bit of footy cliches.
I think their biggest issue has been blowing the Lukaku money on lots of average players. Bit like Spurs did when they sold Bale.
If Everton have bought anyone as good as Christian Erikson then they'll have been doing very well indeed. Big myth that the Bale money was badly spent, sure some of it didn't work out but Erikson, Lamella and Chadli are all decent buys. Paulinho didn't work out but is now at Barcelona and okay the other couple were a flop, but then that happens at other clubs also, some players never fit in. Look at Veron at Man U back in the day, great player, big buy but it just never worked out for whatever reason.
It’s no myth, they bought 7 players with that money, (including Paulinho and Soldado) and other than Eriksen and Lamela they have all been shipped out and other than Chadli for a big loss on what they paid.
I reckon the only other person that would consider that money well spent would be AVB 😆
Anyone watching the U17 semi final? Very watchable play from the England youngsters. Out brazilling Brazil. Good recent results from all the youth teams. Is the future bright?
Very! they'll be bought up by Citeh or Chelsea and parked on the bench at £40K a week before you know it 🙂
VERY bright - what do the FA do to players once they make senior level, you don't see passing, pace and movement like this from the senior sides?
Has everyone else let it be known they're available for the Everton managers position? It seems like most people who've ever kicked a ball have already done so. My agent has thrown my CV into the mix 😀
I reckon Everton will end up with a Lincoln City style brotherly dream team of Gary and Phil Neville
The likes of Giggs, Neville, Alladyce etc say that they'd talk to them.
They should get off their arse and apply for the job, not just sit there waiting for one to fall into their lap. Another symptom of the stupidity in football. Who'd employ Giggs as a Premier League manager? He's delusional.
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What’s going on with the Everton away strip? It looks like what you’d end up wearing if you’d forgotten your kit for PE and had to wear whatever had been left in the changing rooms
They look like relegation fodder. They’re bloody awful! It looks like the last people who believe they can score are the players. Shambolic!
Great wins for English teams tonight, I obviously watched the ciy match, but well done the spurs.
Got to say, the intensity and pressure of the teams I watched was incredible, it was a great match to watch, but it also reminded me of Armstrong and the pirate slugging out out on the big climbs.
City have real steel and resolve this season - Napoli away must be one of the toughest fixtures out there. Great to see Real get a doing as well. Couple more and Zidane will get the chop.......and they'll be in for [s]Sean Dyche[/s] Poch.
I'm feeling rather happy this morning!
name the last manager to work his way up from the lower leagues to a top job - I cannot name them FWIWWho'd employ Giggs as a Premier League manager? He's delusional.
Zidane started at Real Madrid for example Dont think Paisley managed anywhere before pool etc
Its fair to say that UK managers have less chances than 30 years ago just like the players
Fantastic performance by Spurs last night.
If they can play like that against Real (again) then could they use it to undo the hoodoo that seems to possess them against the top Premiership sides? If so, then they're serious title contenders
they are serious contenders anyway but the problem is that its a race for second unless City start to stumble
We will get CL but nothing more
Dont think Paisley managed anywhere before pool etc
When he took over at Liverpool, they were a 2nd Division team in decline.
name the last manager to work his way up from the lower leagues to a top job - I cannot name them FWIW
that's quite a good question!
I'm stuck on Martin O'Neill and Sam Allardyce, who both went from non-league to premier league during the 90's. But then they got stuck because their key skills were - arguably - getting a bunch of journeymen organised and playing above their level, which won't win the PL. (er, just ask Leicester, ahem)
Since those two? Anyone?
The 90's is recent, right? We're still young, aren't we? Guys?
name the last manager to work his way up from the lower leagues to a top job
It all depends on whether you think this is a good thing or not, Most if not all chairmen nowadays wouldn't dream of it as fans/shareholders always want a 'name'.
Mourinho would be as close as you'd get, different in that he wasn't a player as such, but worked his way up the coaching route.
I think you mean Shankly there not Paisley.
I think you mean Shankly there not Paisley.
Aye, you're right.
Paisley started in the lower leagues though.
My point was there is no progression route for UK based managers - ones who are successful in lesser leagues can get jobs at the top clubs here and someone like Giggs* - who i assume 30 years ago would have been a manager by now - cannot get a chance
I think you end up with fok at one team - dyche and Howe but as noted the top 6 are not going in for them are they. There is a sort of glass ceiling for Uk based managers.
* not saying he would be any good but he would have had a chance
The other major difference is the money.
The likes of Shearer and players of his time, started earning some big money. Nothing compared to now but still in the region of 7 figures a year. So most are made for life when they retire. Why go through all the shit if you don't need the money? Wayne Rooney apparently took a 50% pay cut to go to Everton and is "only" one £8 million a year.
Previous generations still needed to work when they were "retiring" at 35.
I'm feeling rather happy this morning!
You have to feel for the Spuds, no sooner do they (eventually)start playing like a top team, but the speculation begins on how long they can hold onto their manager! 🙂
Not that I'm bitter of course! 😳
Spurs have two main problems as the manager and the players
1. Can win things elsewhere
2. Will get paid more
only success on the pitch can stop the breakup of the team and even then not in the long run IMHO
Its a real shame that as football now is about who is the richest not whether a coach/manager can build a team to challenge
Giggs has had opportunities, he just considered himself too good for them. Although to be honest hearing him talk he is about as inspirational as an omelette, he may be able to coach, but I don't think anyone in their right mind could see him as a leader.
Brendan Rodgers managed a top 4 team and is now manager of Celtic who while not amazing are a decent team. Paul Clement has done okay as well, although not yet been at a big-ish (top 10) club.
name the last manager to work his way up from the lower leagues to a top job - I cannot name them FWIW
You'd have to add Moyes in. Although it didn't work out for him at Utd he still had the chance.
Redknapp was managing Spurs when they made it to the Champions league and did alright.
Chris Hughton managed lots of mediocre clubs before now too 😀
You have to feel for the Spuds, no sooner do they (eventually)start playing like a top team, but the speculation begins on how long they can hold onto their manager!
This is becoming a real concern now but I think he won't go anywhere else yet as he'll want to finish what he's building at Tottenham. Players nearly always move on at some point and at least Levy has got them tied to contracts so we'll be paid well for them, but a good manager like Poch is a rare find and Levy should give him whatever he wants to get him to stay as long as possible.
I can't see him leaving in the middle of the season, but maybe at the end. It seems something is not quite right with Mourinho at utd (no real surprise), I wouldn't be surprised to see united and Madrid competing for him next summer.
Personally I would be wary of becoming Madrid manager at the moment, sounds like Ronaldo is virtual manager by throwing tantrums and getting what he wants.
Spurs puzzle me tbh. Last season they had a great team and with maybe a couple of players could have beat Chelsea to the title.
Imagine if they had signed Vardy to cover for Kane - worth a few points surely. Maybe not enough to overhaul Chelsea but they would not have been 7 points behind.
Levy must have said something to convince players to sign new contracts and signing Llorente probably would not cut it so maybe some disillusionment in the ranks?
Now Walker has left others will be considering their positions and if a few go then Poch would not be far behind. I think they have missed the opportunity to make the leap to a trophy winning side. I guess they will a nice stadium soon though :D. The power in the capital will remain in the West.
The [s]power[/s]dirty money in the capital will remain in the West.
FTFY 🙂
He has always been a confrontational manager but he now seems to have included his teams fans in this and some of the players.It seems something is not quite right with Mourinho at utd
Some at Chelsea thought he had a " breakdown" they might have a point as its hard to see why he attacks the fans
His treatment of Shaw has been deplorable as well.
Cheers for suggestions but , moyes aside, they all seem to have glass ceilinged at mid table [ at best] clubs
As an Arsenal fan you can imagine how I feel after Wednesday night 😉
Nah, fair play to them. They're playing really well at the minute and I can see them making the quarter/semi finals in the UCL.
As for Arsenal, well, I lost my enthusiasm for them about 6 years ago and nothing has changed. The odd splash of greatness amongst an ocean of mediocrity. I'm surprised we are 5th in the table. I wouldn't be surprised if we beat City on Sunday, Spurs next week and then loose to Burnley and Huddersfield. Don't think we'll make the Europa League finals either.
The problem with spurs beating real is that now with almost all English teams looking to win their groups, someone will probably end up meeting spurs when they have got their act together in the next round.
oops typo, I meant meeting Real in the next round.
The wages Spurs pay are apparently quite a bit less than the other top 6. Obviously still amazing but they may have to pay more to keep the squad together.
it is less but they also got lucky with Kane coming through for free and what they paid for Alli
Shaw is a fat waster who has pretty much given up, as said by Moyes, lvg & mouhrino.
If he was any good utd would play him instead of blind (slow), rojo (a centre back), Damian (no attacking threat), young (a converted winger nearly at pensionable age ffs) or demi (not good enough). Even before his injury he was too lazy.
As for UK based managers... How is Hughes still around? Pardue gets 6 million repeat gigs (giggs is total turd admittedly) the shit that Silva got for not being English... If a manager is good enough he'll get the job.
Disagree - Shaw looked decent when he got a run of games towards the end of last year. Mourinho hates him which I think emenates from him choosing Utd over Chelsea when he was manager there. At the time Mourinho made comments insinuating he was greedy (for cash, not food!) and we know he likes to hold a grudge! He needs to move - swap for Danny Rose to reunite with Pochettino?
Shaw looked decent when his bromance with Memphis was in full swing (pre-leg break), since then he has looked dire even in reserve games.
the manager hates him and he knows he wont get a start no matter what he does sp it quite possible he is not trying very hard I think he got picked for England recently didnt he
Its more about Jose being an arse than shaw suddenly being shit- it not like Blind - adaptable but not fantastic- or Darmian - willing but out of position- have been exceptional
United goalless away against a top 6 side. Never saw that coming 🙄
odd thing was when we panicjed and tried we pegged them back so we can actuay go for it
Fairly even from what I saw though I missed the first half
Moyes to West Ham! 😀
They must be cock-a-hoop! 😀
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Moyes to West Ham!They must be cock-a-hoop!
A West Ham mate of mine is beyond depressed about the whole idea, he said he'd rather have Fat Sam back
It always baffles me how crap English managers keep getting jobs
Moyes is scottish.
(but still crap)
Another typical Moanriniho performance at the weekend. Insulting a fellow manager, creating animosity which must infect his players minds. It ain't gonna get any better!
A West Ham mate of mine is beyond depressed about the whole idea, he said he'd rather have Fat Sam back
I think I'd rather have Harry back. We might get relegated but at least there'd be some entertainment along the way.
I'm not surprised your West Ham mate is depressed. They were absolutely abysmal at the weekend. No wonder the ground was virtually empty by the final whistle.
I'm having to reappraise my opinion of Woy though. Palace were bloody unlucky not to come away with a point at Spurs yesterday. We didn't look too good yesterday, but at least we turned up to play. I thought we might have been 'treated' to another Jose bus-parking nil-nil borefest.
I think City are going to absolutely walk it, this season. They're just on a totally different level. They were cruising against Arsenal yesterday
I think City are going to absolutely walk it, this season. They're just on a totally different level. They were cruising against Arsenal yesterday
They were the better team, but had a couple of lucky decisions go their way. Arsenal just couldn't unlock their defence which did play very well.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/sunderland
Could be worse...
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37145739
I fear for Sunderland, even with Moyes in charge, says Kevin Kilbane
I was at the bridge yesterday arvo, Matthew Harding Lower. what a great game.
Thought the chels played really well compared to how we have been playing ever since Kante got injured. No surprise we looked so much better with him back.
We were unlucky not to score more but also glad that ManU didn't equalise at the end.
Disappointed at the fans around me who were coating off Matic.
Chant of the day was 'Mourinho's right, yer fans are sh**e'
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Could be worse...
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What team would want to take on Luke Shaw a guy with known injury and weight issues? TBH he'll be lucky now if his career doesn't go into downward spiral very quickly.
They were the better team, but had a couple of lucky decisions go their way. Arsenal just couldn't unlock their defence which did play very well.
The Whenger comments about Sterling diving were whiney, it just wasn't a dive, the only thing was if it was a foul or just a coming together, I would expect that to be given as a foul 80% of the time. So that one while maybe debatable isn't much of a debate apart from jumping on the blame Sterling bandwagon, which is getting a bit pathetic. The offside decision, fair enough linesman should really have done better.
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They were the better team, but had a couple of lucky decisions go their way. Arsenal just couldn't unlock their defence which did play very well.
The Whenger comments about Sterling diving were whiney, it just wasn't a dive, the only thing was if it was a foul or just a coming together, I would expect that to be given as a foul 80% of the time. So that one while maybe debatable isn't much of a debate apart from jumping on the blame Sterling bandwagon, which is getting a bit pathetic. The offside decision, fair enough linesman should really have done better.
To be fair the not off side was a lot closer than everyone is making out and Sterling also got a shuv when the ball came across the box and he was in the middle of the goal. So in reality City should have had two peno's.
The Arse fans and Wenger are quick to forget the generous decisions against City in last seasons FA cup. The sceptic may think the FA wanted a London cup final.
City's play is a breath of fresh air while Chelsea struggle with post champion blues and PEG's new Stoke bore the opposition into submission.
Bad result for Northern Ireland tonight.
Absolutely shocking penalty decision (plenty of footage on Twitter). Bad enough to lose the home leg but to a goal from a penalty given for that?
(I think most agree that Switzerland were the better side on the night but Jeez...)
Was never a penalty and we may have scraped a 0-0. However Switzerland deserve the points.
Matterhorn to climb....,
I wonder if Wenger is going to be as critical about decisions this week
It really is anyone’s guess which Arsenal show up for any given game, this season. It’s bizarre. Ozil was outstanding today. I’ve seen him in other games this season where he’s been absolutely dire, and looks like he’d rather be anywhere else
They were brilliant today! Totally outplayed Spurs. I’m sticking a few quid on them losing to Burnley next weekend, though 🙂