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“If Brexit is going to be safe it’s going to need a few things,” he said. “One of them is the ability to be tough, be clear, deliver tough messages ... And I would worry, on the basis on what I’ve seen, that we wouldn’t necessarily get that from Penny.”
He doesn't think that anyway, he just knows it's the best way to turn those who make the selection off of her... to favour his preferred candidate... say that Brexit is at risk (while it has also been done, by him).
Liz is torpedoed below the waterline by her own team and the mighty Maggie Maybe Mordaunt.
And "Aspiration for life support during national CPR?" Seriously those PPE graduates need a better grasp of language!
I feel sick writing this, but if frost thinks mordaunt would be bad for brexit then she sounds right to me
She was/is actually a full on Brexiteer and was one of the people repeatedly criticised for perpetuating the myth that Turkey would be joining the EU, thus allowing 'millions of Turks' to come to the UK, which she knew full well was utter bollocks,so I wouldn't get your hopes up too much
I can't see why they would support someone with such a clunky delivery. You would think she has had some coaching, unfortunately for her public speaking is not one of her skills. Possibly the public will warm to her despite/because of that, but it does seem an electoral risk to have her fronting things up.
but it does seem an electoral risk to have her fronting things up
If she gets past the MPs, the members will absolutely lap her up. And she might still make it... when the other candidates are knocked out I can see her squeezing past Mordaunt still. Looking less likely every time she appears though! Electoral risk when eventually put to the general public...? You'd think/hope so... but we're a strange lot, the British English voters... so who knows.
Has anyone asked Liz, if she became PM, how would she feel in her first audience with Her Maj considering she called to abolish the monarchy?
Every time Liz opens her mouth you understand why she prefers to communicate through photos on Instagram and tweets so laden with emoji's that a 12 year old might regard them as a bit OTT.
She really is as thick as mince. No wonder the Tory membership love her
After that car crash this morning, I'm sure her team are presently locking her in a cupboard for the duration of the campaign
I'm sure I've read a description of her as "media savvy"
Its all relative. I think in the context of the Tory party, 'media savvy' actually means 'able to open Instagram'
Unlike, say, the secretary of digital, media, culture and sport, Mad Nad McMad, winner of last years Mrs Mad competition.
Braverman out
Surely they know now its a 2 horse race, get rid of the other candidates and speed the whole thing up
I’m still struggling to come to terms with Truss being a favourite of the right wing Brexiteers when she was a Lib Dem and then campaigned for Remain… but i’m a voter so i must not understand politics.
Surely they know now its a 2 horse race, get rid of the other candidates and speed the whole thing up
Not necessarily.
The foaming-at-the-mouth far right lunatics who voted for Bravernman will now transfer their votes to someone else. They regard Penny Mordaunt as a female Jeremy Corbyn, so I reckon the only person as unhinged as them is Kemi Badenoch
The Tory Party election someone nobody had ever heard of as leader is just the type of thing they'd do. Especially considering the fact she makes Norman Tebbit look like Owen Jones
Had drinks with a colleague last night who's uni housemate works in Whitehall in trade dept
She's worked under Liam Fox - quite snooty , stickler for rules, not around much tho, but loyal to staff
Then under Truss, as barking as everyone says, no idea what she was doing and constantly coming up with hair brained schemes, quite a bit of resentment she took credit for department singing roll over deals she had no hand in
Then working for Mogg! Apparently quite nice & polite- his anti civil service stuff for show, but she said quite insecure; twice pulled a policy launch day before announcement because he changed his mind and ultimately achieved nothing
She really is as thick as mince
Oi, stop with dissing mince.
TLDR; Mordaunt.
Infographic from Beeb and Yougov showing tory members intent:
So the process is that this voting eliminates the contenders down to 2, which then goes out to vote by the membership.
In theory... top 2 in the final round then get voted on by the members. But if the second placed candidate stands down, then the members don't get a vote.
So the party members aren't READY4RISH!
Wouldn't be surprised to see badenoch and/or tugendhat now withdraw.
So the party members aren’t READY4RISH!
If that yougov is correct, they're readier for Badenoch or Truss. But what they actually want is Maggie Style Military Mordaunt.
Have you ever noticed?
Truss is only two letters different from Trump.
Makes you think.
If you mix up Truss with Trump to get Trusp... that's an acronym for Transrectal Ultrasound Biopsy of the Prostrate.
Makes you think even more.
I hope babadook withdraws.
It seems to me that the less white male you are in this competition you have to over compensate in being a complete ****
I reckon announcing the reintroduction of national service would swing it for Penny Thatcha 🙂
It seems to me that the less white male you are in this competition you have to over compensate in being a complete ****
I think you have to say anything to win the hearts of what is it 200k(?) toreths but once you've got the job you can do as you wish.
It's not Joe Public that they are self flagellating for.
DoD, I thought I saw that she was going for the creation of a new civil defence force...
"DoD, I thought I saw that she was going for the creation of a new civil defence force…"
Dad's Army?
Who- do you think - you are kidding - Mrs Mordant?
I’m still struggling to come to terms with Truss being a favourite of the right wing Brexiteers when she was a Lib Dem and then campaigned for Remain…
And I'm still struggling to come to terms with people who claim to be to the left of the Tory Party celebrating Johnson's resignation, presumably under some sort of bizarre impression that he would be replaced by a Labour politician.
Politics is a struggle sometimes.
DoD, I thought I saw that she was going for the creation of a new civil defence force…
Uniform to include brown shirts?
And I’m still struggling to come to terms with people who claim to be to the left of the Tory Party celebrating Johnson’s resignation
Our last remaining Johnson fan boy. He's not fit for office of any kind. He never was. Enough information come out after him being Mayor to see this, never mind from his time at the FCO. He should never have been made PM.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see badenoch and/or tugendhat now withdraw.
All have agreed to be in Friday's debate, so assume they want the attention and possible career progression that might come from being in this next round, at least for now (even if they have no chance of making the final two). Last minute withdrawals and "getting behind" a candidate that might put them in their cabinet still possible though.
I always find this site interesting when trying to understand a politician and their intent.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24938/penny_mordaunt/portsmouth_north/votes
matt_outandabout
Full Member
I always find this site interesting when trying to understand a politician and their intent
Only recently found this- great resource
Who- do you think – you are kidding – Mrs Mordant?
if you think old Johnson's done?
It's looking like a shoe-in for Penny Mordaunt then
Unless the MPs contrive to keep her out of the final pair
I am hoping Sunak wins. That would hopefully force labour to separate themselves from the tories by policy, rather than just some Westminster bubble celebrity contest with no substance, although I won't hold my breath.
I'm hoping Putin pushes the button and puts us all out of our misery...
This affair really needs to be conducted in a game-show / talent show format format, with Simon Cowell and Chris Tarrant asking the questions..
Is it a televised live debate? At least one will struggle with that.
Is it a televised live debate? At least one will struggle with that
Pork markets?
This affair really needs to be conducted in a game-show / talent show format format, with Simon Cowell and Chris Tarrant asking the questions..
With in depth analysis from Ant and Dec?
But if the second placed candidate stands down, then the members don’t get a vote.
Apparently they have all had to agree not to do that this time.
Bit odd to have TV debate just to allow the 200,000 Tory party members to make their decision. Not like anyone else has any choice to make.
Apparently they have all had to agree not to do that this time.
If the 'wrong' thing comes out, it's the Party that'll probably want them to step down...
It was done before thou, when BJ had to substitute a block of ice on one of them.
But the why is indeed infuriating, as the majority have no say.
Or was that an election thing 🙂
Ah no it was actually the 2019 hustings with rory Stewart,Javid,hunt,Gove,Rab.
There was no ice at that one or no Johnson.
(Ice was at the c4 climate debate)
This affair really needs to be conducted in a game-show / talent show format format, with Simon Cowell and Chris Tarrant asking the questions..
Something more like Squid Game would be better
Or old school Running Man, with the explosive collars.
If, like me, you're wondering how a right wing party like the Tories has so many minorities in (at least) it's upper ranks, who sound like, and have the world views of old white male Imperialists. Then World on Fire might be an interesting read. Ed West's sub-stack, exploring Tory diversity looks at the idea in terms of the folks hoping to become the next PM
So loads of the other candidates are coming out saying Mordaunt won't be up to the job, which given their track records, they probably know a thing or two about.
Suella Braverman underlining her unsuitability for PM by coming out in support of the Truss. Talk about not being able to read the room . . . .
Unbelievably frustrating that it's all just another bunch of vacuous one-liners, wild un-costed promises of tax cuts and culture war shite against "woke".
Nothing about climate change for example, in fact none of them bothered to attend the climate briefing. No long-term strategy of any description.
Presumably, a live debate allows the Tories to gauge the reaction of the public, before they decide who to throw under the bus?
Can't see it playing well for Truss though. What will they do then?
and culture war shite against “woke”.
Which no one - outside of a couple of newspaper editors and a handful of crazed right wing MPs even cares about. I don't think I've spoken with any one left or right who cares about it. Just seems to be a badge of "Torier than thou"
Unbelievably frustrating that it’s all just another bunch of vacuous one-liners, wild un-costed promises of tax cuts and culture war shite against “woke”.
The blue rinse brigade will flippin' love that stuff.
70% are men
44% are over 65
97% are white
55% live in London & the South
and (no idea how true but, you know)
44 per cent also agreed that censorship can help uphold moral standards
welcome to the world where moral panic is caused by the sex pistols swearing on bill grundy's afternoon chat show...
sauce:
Thing is, once they're PM, they can do what they want. They have to sell themselves to the party members first.
The Mail have got the knives out for Penny M. Is this just because they see her as a threat to Truss or that she is a longer term threat to the C*nservatives in general?
Yes, Truss is the Mail's "continuity Johnson" and Dacre wants his knighthood.
The demographics might suggest why they're not READY4RISH!
I don’t think I’ve spoken with any one left or right who cares about [woke].
Lucky you. It's definitely a thing my (fully paid up DM-reading) MIL worries about.
The blue rinse brigade will flippin’ love that stuff.
Honestly I don't think they do. Most of the elderly folks now are Boomers, even the Conservative voting ones their battles in the 60's were all about counter-culture and social equality. Most are bemused by attacks on cultural issues that have been settled for decades now. They're looking at a £3500 energy bill and 10% inflation pushing the price of everything through the roof, and wondering why the Tories are obsessing over toilets or what's being (not) taught in University English classes.
My Mum sent me a picture of security tagged cheese in her local supermarket the other day, and essentially blamed the Tories for it, given that she's a life long Tory voter who lives in the SE, that should be a flashing warning.
Dacre wants his knighthood.
I think he's angling for a peerage
The erg loons are all getting behind Truss as the stop Mordaunt candidte and they hope she will beat sunak with tne membership. They want someone pliant as PM and Brexity and anti woke
My Tory relatives want the most brexity most anti woke most right wing candidate
Most of the elderly folks now are Boomers, even the Conservative voting ones their battles in the 60’s were all about counter-culture and social equality
Yeah, erm, not sure I agree, not everybody in their teens or twenties during the 60s wanted counter culture and social equality.
Assuming Morduant gets it
She'd expect a decent bounce in the polls as she's quite well distanced from Johnson administration
The braindead loons seem to think that Mordaunt is somewhat of a trojan horse who is portraying herself as a fellow loon in order to secure the job.
kerley
Free MemberBit odd to have TV debate just to allow the 200,000 Tory party members to make their decision. Not like anyone else has any choice to make.
Especially when you consider all the arguing about who could be on the election debates last time.
But imo it's a good opportunity for the public to see them all being shite. If it were all done quietly we'd miss out on the backstabbing, the random lies, and above all on Liz Truss just staring into space and saying delivering delivering delivering
It's going to be fun to watch though, see who drops a clanger or is just terrible in front of the cameras answering stuff honestly.
I don’t think I’ve spoken with any one left or right who cares about [woke].
Lucky you. It’s definitely a thing my (fully paid up DM-reading) MIL worries about.
My parents are the same, even after I'd explained to them what WOKE was! Theyre not typical though, know plenty of older people who think it's all fine and just the next generation making their mark.
When is the TV debate?
Liz Truss just staring into space and saying delivering delivering
delivering
FTFY, and no commas needed.
When is the TV debate?
What i really don't get, or completely fail to grasp is the fanboi 'liggers'
Oh, its 30c and im melting in this suit, but hey. I wamt to jam myself in a small office with 100 or so other randoms and cheers on Richi Sunak or whoever.
Do they really believe by this show of love for Riscki they will be appointed home secretary or curried favor when the next cabinet re shuffle is announced?
If that's the way it works, pin the colours to the mast, cheer and clap like those wallys on top of the pops (its leo sayer, you know he's abit shit but clap alot please) and get a pay rise amd promotion for rocking up to a press junket then there is no wonder we are in abit of a pickle.
This affair really needs to be conducted in a game-show / talent show format
Just so long as it's not THIS format! 😲
Although the way things are going with how desperate each candidate is to impress, I wouldn't actually write it off entirely. At some point one of the women is going to undress to show that she's a real woman and not trans or something. It really is that poor taste...
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The Conservative Leadership Debate will air from 7pm to 9.30pm
Two and a half bleedin hours???
How long can they spend talking about tax cuts ffs?
Although I guess on the plus side it gives them plenty of time to spend slagging each other off which obviously has considerable entertainment value.
Looking forward to it.
I follow the imaginatively named local paper "The News" in Portsmouth as my parents live there.
They posted this interview with Penny Mordaunt's constituents earlier today. It's full of face palms moments...
Afraid it's on face book.
Lucky you. It’s definitely a thing my (fully paid up DM-reading) MIL worries about.
Yeah... 'Woke' is the new 'Health and Safety Gone Mad' e.g. you can take one extreme example and use it to define/bash an entire concept, so for H&S people might dismiss sensible stuff like 'taking precautions to prevent people being squashed under earthmovers' because someone suggested something daft like 'remove all scissors from offices' or something.
Similarly Piers Morgan (all you need to know really) coined the idea of 'woke' based (I think) on some New Zealand University that debated the idea of 'safe rooms' for students, and it has subsequently been used to basically smear the entire concept of young people thinking for themselves and not just accepting a status quo handed down to them by wealthy white privileged males (Piers Morgan again). Ultimately it's an amazingly effective tool as it defines everything the Tory membership distrusts e.g. youth, progress, not kow-towing to racist pensioners any more, etc. etc. 😂
It’s full of face palms moments…
Why? Because normal people don't care, don't know or don't want to know so long as they are happy as they are with themselves etc?
Remember normal people Do Not glue themselves to politicians or policy whatever.