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It’s definitely fair to say “the conservative government of the last 12 years is to blame for this shitshow” (I paraphrase).
It is definitely not fair to say that. The coalition government, for example, cannot be blameless, and they involved different leaders, different ministers, different people, different political parties.
I am not aware of the current Opposition leader being blamed for their failures.
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I don’t go in much for this sort of public outing, but I’ve seen this in it’s original German and now in English from a couple of posters, as a Jew, this is pretty **** offensive, I will report it from now on.
What?
actual Ignorance or just hyperbole?
It means that I don't understand what you are refering to. In the same way that I don't understand why you have used "hyperbole" in that context.
Even I don't have that amount of time to access royalty free templates Binners - to make a point.
But that does remind me - thanks...
James O'Brien was digging in at Starmer this morning for not really offering much of an alternative solution to anything the Tories have have messed up.
I don’t go in much for this sort of public outing, but I’ve seen this in it’s original German and now in English from a couple of posters, as a Jew, this is pretty **** offensive, I will report it from now on.
Especially for you Nick - (the second) Miranda rights for Jewish people:
It is definitely not fair to say that.
The coalition government was dominated by the tories and whilst some individuals have changed others have been in one government post or another for pretty much the entire period. Truss for example got her first proper government job in 2014.
Maybe "conservative government" needs "special mention to the libdem supporting act for the first few years" but seems a bit overkill for a forum discussion.
@rone - photoshopped just for you, comrade 😀
Any chance of you and the rest of the politburo following directions?
What?
Lost on me too - or was it satire?
Bleedin ell…… you had storage heaters!! How posh was that – they must have been brand new state of the art technology back then!
If a few bricks contained in a metal box to store heat from cheap overnight electric was state of the art then yes, but they were certainly not great for keeping a house warm.
Any chance of you and the rest of the politburo following directions?
No.
The coalition government was dominated by the tories
And its economy policies were enthusiastically sold to the public by two senior Liberal Democrat politicians - Vince Cable and Danny Alexander. The idea that Starmer has been blamed for their policies or that it is the same government as the current one is obviously nonsense.
What?
simple I've seen it a few times in just the last couple of days, in both German and now in English (twice) just be aware that's it's offensive and I'll report it to the Mods, they may or may not take action. That's it.
@ernielynch: Jewish woman and her son go to the beach, a huge wave rolls in a the kid is swept under, the woman cries out "Oh God, save my son". The clouds part, the angelic host sings, and a hand pucks the boy from the water and places him gently on the sand next to his mum. His mum looks up and says "he had a hat"
There’s pensioners that retired on final salary pensions in a pile of a house in Eastbourne.
This. To use my MiL as an example, she's sitting on a million pound house in leafy Kent and is bringing in roughly the same as I am every month via various pensions from her late husband which she barely spends. At a family gathering last week the subject of energy prices was high on the list of conversation and to say she couldn't (or wouldn't) understand is an understatement. There was a story last week in the Daily Heil that schools might go to a 3-day week because they can't pay their energy bills. Her reaction when someone mentioned it was to tut and roll her eyes. I really think a lot of her generation just think we're all being a bit soft, which is ironic as I can't think of a single person who has been more pampered and insulated from real life as my MiL.
Anyone trying to convince themselves that it couldn't get any worse, surely...
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1562320588991078400?s=20&t=zXLPCRtFGiHU-5wSbolBKA
Given that this numbskull* has been tipped for a senior cabinet position under Truss, we could soon be longing back to the days of relatively competent government under Johnson
Be afraid...
Be very, very afraid...
*I've repeatedly checked if this is a parody account, but its the real deal. It really is John Redwood and he's utterly beyond parody, he's so unhinged
and to say she couldn’t (or wouldn’t) understand is an understatement.
Doesn't matter though does it? She's still going to get a bill isn't she. and it'll still be a shock.
Hadn't realised it was a Jewish joke, it must've been removed - but if it'd been about a lady from Yorkshire or Aberdeen would it have been ok?
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the bit that wound me up was the "One Country" quote that @globuchul posted. he got the broadside as that's the 3rd time I've seen it in as many days and it set off a reaction (perhaps an over-reaction) I don't understand why folk would use it - even if they think they're using it as satire. Unless it's a thread about the propaganda of the Nazi party in the early 1930's then just don't. It isn't funny and it can easily offend.
simple I’ve seen it a few times in just the last couple of days, in both German and now in English (twice) just be aware that’s it’s offensive and I’ll report it to the Mods, they may or may not take action. That’s it.
Offensive? When used in a sarcastic manner to highlight how far to the right this government is going?
She’s still going to get a bill isn’t she. and it’ll still be a shock.
Nah the one group who will be sheltered will be the tory pensioners with possibly the other pensioners benefiting just because having a reverse means test would be a tricky political sell.
She’s still going to get a bill isn’t she. and it’ll still be a shock.
She doesn't look at her bank accounts so probably not. TBF she hasn't got a clue about money and doesn't understand inflation. She thinks everything costs the same as it did in 1990. If she's typical then it would explain a lot.
I really think a lot of her generation just think we’re all being a bit soft, which is ironic as I can’t think of a single person who has been more pampered and insulated from real life as my MiL.
My Uncle. Paid off from the Water Board at privatisation on a full final salary pension.
Full-on Brextiter/Gammon, thinks folk should just work harder - the ****er retired in his early 50's!
the bit that wound me up was the “One Country” quote that @globuchul posted.
I read it as drawing a parallel between Truss's output and Nazi propaganda, for the purposes of criticising Truss.
the ****er retired in his early 50’s!
Aye. My MiL never did a day's paid work in her life. Her husband retired aged 55 and for a good 15-20 years they toured the world on expensive holidays. I don't begrudge them their retirement, but I don't think these people have any understanding or concept of what people of our generation and our kids are facing. I mean I'm not complaining too much, I've been lucky myself but I certainly won't be retiring in my 50s, and fully expect to be supporting my kids well into their 20s or beyond.
As someone who regularly makes jokes about what us lefties are going to do once we're put into 're-education' camps, I'm not 100% sure why the One Country thing is offensive. I'm not saying it's not, just that I don't see why and would like to know more and if I step over the line with my jokes.
Admittedly my jokes aren't really funny and more a comment on the lurch towards blood and soil nationalism and authoritarianism the UK is experiencing right now. But then that's how I take the One Country line as well.
Oops
It’s all here, the whole 9-yards:
https://twitter.com/secrettory12/status/1562326764612993024?s=20&t=mNcGzlgoH2MNVrbwv5O4xg
Why can some posts be reported and others can’t?
I think that means someone else has already reported it.
I think that means someone else has already reported it.
Which makes for an interesting observation in the complex world of being offended.
My post claiming that you can't be "easily" offended by "One People. One Leader. One Country" gets reported, but the actual so-called offending post doesn't get reported at all.
So presumably someone has been offended by me saying that they can't be easily offended by something which it turns out hasn't offended them that much.
If I've got that right.
Anyway vaguely back on topic.....it would appear that neither contender for the position of UK Prime Minister have much to offer when the country is faced with an unprecedented economic crises, people genuinely fear for the future, and the current situation offers so little hope.
Which, at the risk of offending someone, are the very conditions which the far-right, bigots, and racists, thrive on.
But in response Truss and Sunak offer nothing more than a further lurch to the right.*
The seriousness of the situation really needs to be grasped and the left need to get their shit together and offer some creditable alternative policies, vision, and hope.
Edit: * And deporting non-European refugees of course.
I'd be inclined to report it purely for the fact your posts are always far too long.
The seriousness of the situation really needs to be grasped and the left need to get their shit together and offer some creditable alternative policies, vision, and hope.
Unfortunately, the left are still tiptoe-ing around eggshells, not daring to criticise Brexit, they've lost the easy win they had (criticising Boris at every turn) and now just have to wait for the leadership thing to play out and for whatever random crowd-pleasing shite the new leader has spoken to actually become policy or be swept aside as just something they said to get into power. An awful lot of their proposed policies will fall into the second category.
Sadly, the leadership thing has left the country completely rudderless, it's also summer recess so nothing is happening in Parliament and nothing the left says is going to make it into the news anyway.
As an alternative policy, vision and hope, I'd start with rounding up all Brexiteers and Tories and deporting them to Rwanda (if only to see the look on Priti's face when her own heartless policy gets used against her) then concentrate on tidying up the literal tides of shit they've released.
It's almost too easy to be a satirist these days.
Full-on Brextiter/Gammon, thinks folk should just work harder – the ****er retired in his early 50’s!
They all repeat the same tropes:
- Politicians are all liars anyway
- All homeless people are fake/organised beggars
- Corbyn/Labour was/is going to let them all in (heard it too many times it's a bigger issue than forum members think!)
- Choosing between heating and eating, maybe they should buy less booze/drugs and fags or get a job
- Everyone rents in Europe
- Can't afford a house, they should work hard like I did, get another job instead of staring at their phones.
If only we could all be as right as they are, with everyone surrounding patting each other on the back in agreement. Cheered on by politicians who are only interested in exploiting there anger for power and a willing press/media who goad and agitate to sell papers, garner views and keep themselves in a job.
Almost forgot now they are retired it's all good for everyone else to be forced to retire later/never as people are fitter now!
The last civil servant in charge of the department who instigated raising the retirement age, retired early on 100 and odd grand a year pension.
Go to Uni on grants then take it away for the following generations, all seems a bit of stitch up to me.
On pensioners and the rest of us… (and I apologise to all our forum members of retirement age, I know this doesn’t apply to you) but the Telegraph has a “reader” led piece that spells out exactly how this extended period of declining real wages, workers rights, human rights, environmental standards, living standards and an atmosphere of general shittness foisted on us mostly by a Brexit and Tory supporting swollen pensioner vote has been and will be presented to and accepted by its enablers…
…you only really need the headline.
The leadership campaign needs to be looked at in this light. Remember who the ageing and mostly well off Tory members think are the problem… after immigrants… it’s all of the rest of us.
I see that Sunak is making a desperate last minute attempt to woo the anti-lockdown Tories:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62664537
"We shouldn't have empowered the scientists in the way we did," he is quoted as saying.
However inadequate Johnson's pandemic response might have been, and to be fair I never thought it was that inadequate for a Tory, then unless you are an anti-science denialist we should all be grateful that he stood up the anti-lockdown Tories.
For all his failings Johnson put the advice he received from the scientists before pleasing those with trump-like callous disregard for the consequences of pandering to ignorance.
I think it is fair to say that having either Sunak or Truss as Prime Minister during the pandemic would have been far worse for the country.
you only really need the headline.
The actual comments aren't much better.
Nice to see the Torygraph have the same lazy content assemblers as our local rag though, readers comments as "news"? Really?
For all his failings Johnson put the advice he received from the scientists before pleasing those with trump-like callous disregard for the consequences of pandering to ignorance.
Only when he was backed into a corner when confronted with the impending disaster. Are you conveniently forgetting his repeated absenteeism from COBRA meetings to write his shitty Churchill the dog book? His repeated bravado and awful messaging completely ignoring the scientists in Feb and early March 2020?
Some days ernie I can't work out if you're head of Momentum, a failed comedian or just a Tory shill
Are you conveniently forgetting his repeated absenteeism from COBRA meetings to write his shitty Churchill the dog book?
Since you copied and pasted my comment "For all his failings Johnson" you should be able to work that out for yourself.
As for your confusion concerning my political stance it really is very simple, although possibly alien to you. Politics is not a game/fun hobby for me, as it clearly is for many people, it is about striving to achieve what best serves the interests of ordinary working people.
I am not welded to an ideology with complete disregard for whether or not it serves the interests of working people - it must always serve the interests of working people.
Which is why I can happily come to the conclusion that Johnson as PM is preferably to Sunak or Truss. Of course you might not agree and believe instead that Sunak or Truss would serve the interests of ordinary people better, in which case I would be genuinely interested in your argument.
Edit: I currently think that Truss would be preferable as PM than Sunak. Weird isn't it?
The last civil servant in charge of the department who instigated raising the retirement age, retired early on 100 and odd grand a year pension.
Civil Servants don't decide nor dictate policy, it's politicians.
I currently think that Truss would be preferable as PM than Sunak. Weird isn’t it?
Of course she is. Does anyone think otherwise?
Does anyone think otherwise
Me
Why?
Does anyone think otherwise?
Where to even start?
• She's going to borrow billions to reduce corporation tax, who's savings will then be paid out in dividends to shareholders
• She plans to borrow further billions to cut national insurance. A move that will benefit the wealthiest the most and will not help the working poor or those on benefits at all
• The above two things are her total answers to the cost of living crisis. Thats it!
• She's signalled that she has the same, or even worse, attitude to 'ethics' than her predecessor, and he found the whole concept inexplicable
• She's even more in the pocket of the ERG than the fly-tipped sofa
• She's as thick as a Boxing Day turd
• I can't bear the thought of her doing her Fatcha Cosplay for 2 years with a trail of photographers following her round to record and broadcast it
Will that do for starters?
Why on earth do you think she'd be preferable to Sunak?
Admittedly, the question here is 'would you like your huge shit sandwich on brown or white bread?', but still... everything's relative
I think the FT article which I linked yesterday sums it up well - Sunak is a right-winger who appears liberal. Truss is the reverse.
In context of the Tory Party obviously.
Edit: Oh and Sunak has himself claimed to be the true thatcherite out of the two, which to be fair he has a point, on taxation, growth, etc. I have little doubt that he would be her choice, with his views on "hard choices" he appears to share the same callous disregard for the human consequences of monetarism - she didn't flinch when she double unemployment to 3 million.
Surely, they’re both going to claim to be the “more Thatcherite” candidate, while trying to win the votes of people who are very likely to have photos of Thatcher hanging pride of place in their homes.
Terrifying, isn't it?
Whatever shitstorm is rolling our way, picking up speed, the only solutions those two have is 'The Market' must be left to sort it out
Why on earth do you think she’d be preferable to Sunak?
Because despite her rightwing thatcherite cosplay, it's pretty clear that she's a pragmatist and will do whatever she thinks will make her more popular just like Johnson did. There's only one game in town at the moment, and that's what the govt will do about energy prices. The stakes are enormous, on a par with 2008 and 2020. Sunak has been quite clear that he intends to nothing about it and allow market forces to run their course and that will result in an economic collapse that we've not seen since the 30s. On this issue Truss has been less dogmatic, and is more likely to do what is required. It won't be enough of course, but it will be much better than what Sunak is offering. As Cummings said, she'll cave in and do a bailout. I see very little evidence that Sunak would do the same.
On this issue Truss has been less dogmatic, and is more likely to do what is required.
What evidence are you basing that on?
Thats just wishful thinking, surely?
Sunak will do nothing. But Liz will do something that will cost tens, probably hundreds of millions of taxpayers money, and will benefit virtually no-one apart from those least in need of help
There are no good options here
As Cummings said, she’ll cave in and do a bailout.
Again: what on earth are you basing that on? I'd put money on her being stuck like a rabbit in the headlights, stubbornly refusing to do anything at all until its far, far too late
Sunak will do nothing. But Liz will do something that will cost tens, probably hundreds of millions of taxpayers money, and will benefit virtually no-one apart from those least in need of help
Binners it's going to cost hundreds of billions, not millions. I agree she hasn't yet said what she will do, but she's shown more flexibility than Sunak on the policy front and that's what's going to be required. Sunak has nailed his colours to the wall. It's possible he could go back on his promises and do a covid style bailout but it doesn't look likely. He's a fully signed up inflation hawk, and that's the last thing we need right now.
Sorry... typo. I meant hundreds of billions, not millions, obviously
I'm struggling to see how spending hundreds of billions (of taxpayers money) on what we all know full-well will amount to an increase in corporate dividends and boardroom pay will be better than doing nothing?
I mean... both are terrible ideas, obviously... but there you go. The idealogical corner that the modern Tory party has painted itself into
Surely, they’re both going to claim to be the “more Thatcherite” candidate
Of course they are. However Sunak is correct when he makes the claim and Truss isn't.
Sunak is widely accepted to be more Thatcherite on the economy:
I’m struggling to see how spending hundreds of billions (of taxpayers money) on what we all know full-well will amount to an increase in corporate dividends and boardroom pay will be better than doing nothing?
Because in the short term it will prevent households and businesses from going under. You're right that lots of money will end up in the wrong pockets, just like in 2008 and 2020, but the alternative is the whole economy going down in flames, and that will be much worse for working people than a bailout.
Because in the short term it will prevent households and businesses from going under.
Her proposals won't stop a single business or household going under.
How on earth will corporate tax cuts (which will just end up as dividends and corporate bonuses) and a frankly inconsequential cut to NI stop the economic juggernaught presently heading our way?
Her proposals won’t stop a single business or household going under.
I wasn't talking about her proposals, they're clearly nonsense, I'm talking about what she will *have* to do. TBH Sunak would also have to do it, so it probably makes little difference, in the end they'll be presented with a simple choice: Prevent the economy from collapsing by doing a 2008-style bailout, or don't and leave it to the gods. There's not a single politician in the UK who would choose the latter.
This is a pretty good summary of where we are..
There’s not a single politician in the UK who would choose the latter.
Its very out of character for you, but I think you're displaying some wildly misplaced optimism here.
Theres a whole party stuffed full of hardline free marketeers who's slavish worship of 'The Market' lead them to virtually insist on the latter
Surely, they’re both going to claim to be the “more Thatcherite” candidate, while trying to win the votes of people who are very likely to have photos of Thatcher hanging pride of place in their homes.
I find this a weird thing,I like Maggie but wouldn't really want a picture of her on my mantelpiece.
I get it if it was a social or family picture but just to have the picture on its own just seems odd.
But TBH I saw an article on the mirror-online about the Steptoe and son movie(circa 70's) and I was wondering what audience are these articles aimed at as they are so obscure.
Then it came to me must be tory members or something as they are out their trees.
There’s not a single politician in the UK who would choose the latter.
Maybe. But the timing is going to be critical.
These right wing free market nutters, will delay and delay, as doing it is against everything they believe in.
There are a lot of people who are going out of business this winter.
Its very out of character for you, but I think you’re displaying some wildly misplaced optimism here.
Not when you consider the enormity of what economic collapse means. The rich will not be immune to it. The free market nutters have as much to lose as everyone else. More in fact, the higher you are the harder the fall. If there's one thing the rich are very good at it's protecting themselves, and just like in 2008 and 2020 they will do whatever is required. Lets hope you're wrong. 🙂
‘The Market’ must be left to sort it out
It's a shame The Market really doesn't give a shit whether individuals live or die.
Apparently that used to be the job of government.
Meanwhile…
https://twitter.com/richardjmurphy/status/1562806979579768833?s=21&t=Ya54OSu44c3j81avT3k66g
Maybe. But the timing is going to be critical.
These right wing free market nutters, will delay and delay, as doing it is against everything they believe in.
This is absolutely the critical bit, by the the time the people in power start to feel the effects of this it'll be too late. I'm not enamoured of the Scottish power plan to get paid and saddle consumers with 20 years of hiked bills to pay for it.
I find this a weird thing,I like Maggie but wouldn’t really want a picture of her on my mantelpiece.
What is equally weird is how the two contenders for the Tory leadership both want to claim to be the rightful heirs to Thatcher.
Ultimately Thatcher and her policies lost credibility and she became serious electoral liability for the Tories.
So much so that her own cabinet ministers were in effect forced to sack her. Her final humiliation was to be driven away from Downing Street literally in tears.
And in supreme irony, considering how both Sunak and Truss are currently bickering over who has the tax policies which Thatcher would most have approved of, her downfall, more than anything else, is associated with a harebrained, unworkable, totally unjust, taxation policy. Which she herself proudly described as her "flagship policy".
In contrast the current leader of the Tory Party has gone out of his way to very publicly distance himself from Thatcher and her values :
The prime minister chose to contradict his Conservative predecessor Margaret Thatcher’s endorsement of pure individualism made in 1987, when the then PM told a magazine: “There is no such thing as society.”
In his video message, Johnson said: “We are going to do it, we are going to do it together. One thing I think the coronavirus crisis has already proved is that there really is such a thing as society.”
Voters don't have fond memories of Thatcher, Johnson knows that. You have to assume that Sunak and Truss also know that and their overwhelming desire to appeal to dotty old dears in the Tory Party takes precedence. Although ultimately, like Johnson, it is voters who they will need to appeal to.
Voters don’t have fond memories of Thatche
True but don't underestimate how many people essentially liked what she did and stood for. Theres still a lot of that mentality bubbling away under the surface in the same way weve seen a lot of latent racism come to surface again in the last few years.
So our current Foreign Secretary and probably our next PM, has just insulated the President of France, to get some applause off racist Tory pensioners and show off to a right wing journo.
We are absolutely ****ed if we can't get these clowns out.
Daily Express readers will be shocked.
Insulate Britain!
Insulate Britain!
You knew what I meant anyway!
Yeah but don't expect the comedic effect of predictive text to be ignored!
As well insulting Macron it looks like Truss is carrying on with her weekly threat to start a trade war with the EU
https://twitter.com/nealerichmond/status/1562906106800009216?s=21&t=amXcykIOrnLZ17HShH2SZQ
She’s obviously had a good think about it to see how she could make the present crisis even worse
With every week she shows us why she's not really a politician, more of a GBN presenter.
I think the whole of the EU know that France are very much about their own interests over everyone else, and they've been playing this game for a very long time, but as a politician, you don't actually say it, you smile for the camera, say polite stuff and then work behind the scenes to fight it out for whatever you're all after.
Wether by customs officials, paperwork, Channel crossings or energy provision, France has a full tool box with which to squeeze the UK by the balls. They even make our passports FFS.
Anyone care to tell me how the UK can leverage France to any similar degree?
Anyone care to tell me how the UK can leverage France to any similar degree?
Should be well within our gift. I feel certain that I was assured we'd be holding all the cards.
• She’s going to borrow billions to reduce corporation tax, who’s savings will then be paid out in dividends to shareholders
• She plans to borrow further billions to cut national insurance. A move that will benefit the wealthiest the most and will not help the working poor or those on benefits at all
There's no real borrowing in this context and they will probably use Q/E to balance the bond purchasing.
Stop making it sound like she's actually borrowing cash.
Sunak merely wants to contract everything which will by definition contract things even more than where we are now
But Liz will do something that will cost tens, probably hundreds of millions of taxpayers money, and will benefit virtually no-one apart from those least in need of help
Please stop with this falsehood. We have done hundreds of posts on how the government finances things. It's not through taxation.
If you want to learn one thing - then MMT is an incredibly useful tool for understanding government finances.
By all means fill your posts with outrage but at least don't whinge on a about borrowing without getting your head around the mechanisms.
Truss is bound to do something - there will be no choice. Let's at least see it pan out.
Think back to the banking crisis 2008 - could the banks - have bailed themselves out? The private sector coming to rescue of the private sector?
No.
So the government has to create the funds to solve the problem. Or solve one part of the problem.
Sorry another Murphy post with costs.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1563075741235159047?t=wKjt6UoWXVktYDhvCN7ozg&s=19
That's still only 1/3 of Covid support.
There is an extensive report behind this.
So the government has to create the funds to solve the problem. Or solve one part of the problem.
If it was this easy, why don't we just QE our way out of everything? Just print billions and hand it out to everyone?
It may not be *borrowing*, but it is resources which a) are finite, because b) QE does impact other economic factors which are 'negative' long term, no?
IANAE
Inkster: "Anyone care to tell me how the UK can leverage France to any similar degree?"
We can't, at all. BUT, what we can do is cause them some harm, and then our leaders can say "look, France is suffering too" and people will cheer.
Matt_OAB: "If it was this easy, why don’t we just QE our way out of everything? Just print billions and hand it out to everyone?"
There's politics in this of course- who wants to be the PM that admits they've been doing it wrong for years? So much of our political debate is rooted in the tax vs spend logic and in the nice simple falsehoods of "balancing the books" and "fiscal responsibility".
The other thing is, there probably are impacts, we just don't really know what they are. We've pretty well established that the traditional popular arguments against QE are bullshit. But it's also obvious that money can't be unlimited if it's going to work at all. Currency isn't just a way of paying for stuff, it's also a way of imposing scarcity and controls, it's possible to forget with all the flimflam that it's ultimately a way of exchanging goods which do have a fixed value and can't just be printed. If governments get far enough into printing it the whole construct can unravel. When it comes right down to it we're still exchanging goods for shiny beads.
Basically, we act like the current structure makes sense and works because it's right or logical or underwritten by some sort of natural law. It's not, in fact we don't understand it, and it runs on faith, deception, luck and habit. Things have value because we think they do, financial markets can be completely disconnected to the real economy, things that add no value are treated like they're more important than things that do. It's all a big cup game but, it does sort of work and there's a risk that if we watch the cups too closely, it stops working.
Ultimately I don't like it- I wish we had a system that makes sense and rewards value creation properly. But the decade after the current bodge stops working is going to be No Fun At All.
(though, maybe since we have at least one bigger crisis on the way, it'd make sense to get it over with)
Anyone care to tell me how the UK can leverage France to any similar degree?
Liz could restrict our cheese exports