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Even the Times are saying that Liz Truss needs to take a serious change of direction from the oversexed Honey monster, break with his hardline supporters and start taking the job of government seriously the second she’s in number ten, given the gathering storm this winter
Erm, I assume that you haven't quite figured out why "The Times" wants a change of direction from Johnson?
Iain Martin whose Twitter comment you posted is what you binners refers to as a "nutjob". He is close to Daniel Hannan, nutjob extraordinaire and on the far right of the Tory Party.
Iain Martin is everything you love to hate - a Tory brexiteer who argues that Nigel Farage should be given a peerage:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnson-will-need-farage-if-hes-to-see-brexit-through-7jwx29tv8
Of course he wants a change of direction after Johnson - he wants a significant lurch to the right. And he will almost certainly get it, which is why like you he is celebrating the demise of Johnson as PM.
Erm, I assume that you haven’t quite figured out why “The Times” wants a change of direction from Johnson?
Do try to read the whole post, comrade, before your usual knee-jerk. I finished with the comment
She’s even more in thrall to the ultra-Brexiteer nutjobs than Johnson was, so I expect any ‘solutions’ will be left entirely to ‘The Market’ this winter, and we may be about to see the same kind of callous disregard for peoples suffering as we saw from her hero in the 80’s
So yeah, despite not being gifted with your enormous insight and planetesque knowledge and intellect, even someone as dim as me had managed to join the dots
Do feel free to mansplain other complicated things to me though. I really appreciate it. Though I warn you I do struggle with big words so if you could try and keep it down to two silly bills, that'd be great
Fanks comrade
Looking in from the outside I would say that UK politics is screwed whether Truss or Sunak get the job.
Some of the right wing ***** who are blaming Blair and Brown for championing people's rights and the idea that schools teaching gay rights etc will be fined.... Well, welcome to the UK's version of right wing Republicanism.
Welcome to the dark ages.
What a shitshow.
Truss does seem to have 'Gone Native' amongst the (intolerant and racist) Tory members and is now really going full bore for the Culture War shit. I'm assuming this is as she knows its a distraction (as much to herself as anyone else) from the very real problems ahead and plays well with the Daily Heil
It does seem that she's even worse than Johnson for holding no actual beliefs herself and just parroting whatever benefits her the most at any given time.
Unfortunately for the rest of us, the people writing the cheques that Lizzie is presently cashing are the hardline lunatics of the ERG, who are clearly leading her by the nose. God only knows where they're taking us next. Nowhere good, that's for sure.
even someone as dim as me had managed to join the dots
Well if you had managed to join the dots you might not have posted a comment from a right-wing Tory brexiteer who wants Nigel Farage to have a seat in the House of Lords, to back up whatever point you were trying to make.
Edit: Apologies, that is a bit unfair, it is fairly clear what point you were trying to make, ie that "even the Times wants a change of direction". You just hadn't figured what direction Iain Martin wants the next PM to go.
She’s even more in thrall to the ultra-Brexiteer nutjobs than Johnson was, so I expect any ‘solutions’ will be left entirely to ‘The Market’ this winter
Totally - as a Turncoat Remainer, their first line of attack will always be that she isn't a true Brexiteer. Then they'll threaten to stir up anti-Truss sentiment in the newer populist branch of the Tory support. She'll continue to overcompensate as a result - jumping like a spaniel every time they threaten it. If it gets really serious then Farage will re-emerge with a new party and threaten to take the nastier end of her support away. Nothing much has changed on this front in the last 10 years.
It is so predictable it is sad.
What about the 40 hospitals? Dead in the water with a new captain and that.
This new captain thing every year or so means the agenda is super dynamic like. Just keep shuffling the deck until we get a good-en, that's how it works isn't it!
Truss does seem to have ‘Gone Native’ amongst the (intolerant and racist) Tory members and is now really going full bore for the Culture War shit.
The thing is though, they both need to get votes from a certain group of people, and they will say absolutely anything to get them. Just because she's coming out with that sort of thing, doesn't mean she actually believes it or will enact it. Johnson has demonstrated how this works, she's just trying to copy him.
And even more so as it is not an election and there is no manifesto so the winner doesn't even have to pretend to do whatever they have claimed over the last few weeks.
Truss yesterday said she wasn't going to reveal her plans to address the energy cost crisis. Like she's even got a plan ...FFS
As stated above they'll say any old crap to get the votes. They're is no manifesto, I don't even think they've got a To Do list. We're screwed.
Just because she’s coming out with that sort of thing, doesn’t mean she actually believes it or will enact it
Not a chance. She’s sponsored by the nutcases. Boris was too and look what happened to him when he went off script. She will do everything they tell her to do. Which is probably a good thing as it’ll increase her chances of losing the next election.
As stated above they’ll say any old crap to get the votes.
Has it not been this since the day BloFlow announced he was putting his feet up and ignoring the responsibilities he has for the summer?
Iain Martin is everything you love to hate – a Tory brexiteer who argues that Nigel Farage should be given a peerage:
Is that the same Iain Martin that's finally working out that Brexit wasn't the right idea?
https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1534771797517811714?s=20&t=04mfmAkchXFOAZnm-IJU6g
They’re is no manifesto, I don’t even think they’ve got a To Do list. We’re screwed.
Beyond 'I think I should be prime minister' they have absolutely nothing.They are absolutely devoid of ideas, but more importantly, they have no will or desire to do anything.
The Tory party has been now been completely cleared out of anyone who dares to think about even remotely swerving from this mad right-wing, deregulatory, uber-free-market, Brexity philosophy. Everything must be left to 'The Market' to sort out. Government must be completely 'hands off' and allow 'The Market' to take its course and do what it will. If the government is to do anything then it will be to deregulate further to 'free' business
The trouble with this philosophy is that they (rather conveniently) completely ignore the other side of this equation. When you look at the energy and water sectors (as just 2 examples), 'The Market' is meant to offer choices for consumers. But it doesn't. All these 'businesses' are just private monopolies and cartels, so we end up stuck with the worst of both worlds as they ruthlessly exploit their monopoly position to absolutely fleece everyone.
But with the 'Brittania Unchained' lot, you're not allowed to say that, obviously. That would be thought crime.
Whichever one of these clowns gets in, anyone expecting them to actually do anything significant about the looming crisis will be disappointed. They have no intention whatsoever of doing anything at all.
Boris with his feet up now, Zahawi, who's alledgedly the chancellor of the exchequer, on his hols, Raab paddle boarding while Kabul fell... this is the new normal. Absentee government that sits back and leaves absolutely everything to 'The Market'
They absolutely had to do something during Covid or the economy would have collapsed. It was too little too late, obviously, and they bitterly resent having to do it in the first place and they are pretty determined not to repeat the exercise by getting 'The State' involved in any way in the future, no matter how bad things get
Economy shrinking on the official stage now.
Not hard to predict.
All parties calling for growth this or growth that. Lol.
And the BoE are squeezing with their ill thought-out (though deliberate) choice to contract the economy.
A perfect storm of trouble lies ahead unless a government spends/supports.
Labour due to make an announcement of what they would do to fix the economy on Monday.
Don't hold your breath - green bonds and insulation from the sister Tory party. Hope not.
Either way they should go really high and hard on support and provoke the Tories into offering something substantial.
John McDonnell put the covid support packages idea out there just before the Tories nicked it - but it was a good thing.
Go big - no one has anything to lose currently.
World-wide recession on the cards engineered by central banks.
Is that the same Iain Martin that’s finally working out that Brexit wasn’t the right idea?
That is obviously his Twitter account. The "what's not working" in relation to brexit isn't confirmation that he has moved to the left of the Tory Party and now feels that post-johnson the government should also move in that direction. Plenty of Tory brexiteers are critical of how brexit has been handled and still remain right-wing.
Any Tory who says that the government should change direction after Johnson you can be fairly confident isn't thinking in terms of a left-wing direction. All the candidates in the Tory leadership election have, in varying degrees, argued in favour of more right-wing policies, not more left-wing. Likewise if the Times is arguing in favour of a change in direction it won't because they have concluded that Johnson is too right-wing.
Unless something is done about the energy crisis something major is going to happen.
I know a lot of people, who are working full time, who simply will not be able to pay their energy bills if they pay their rent/mortgage and feed themselves.
What happens then? Eviction? Repossession? Bailiffs?
I can see how this government can hold together through the winter.
In my own case, I have a business that is protected from the electricity rises for another 15 months and then I am not sure it will be viable.
Well when your opposition is so damn useless then your current government can do whatever they want.
Labour don't have to be in power to put the pressure on.
Fingers crossed Starmer Island and Household Reeves put the calculators away and realise what they've got to push back on. (Although they didn't try very hard in covid either.)
I don't hold too much hope though.
In my own case, I have a business that is protected from the electricity rises for another 15 months and then I am not sure it will be viable.
This is the elephant in the room. Unless something is done, small businesses will go down like dominoes over the winter.
And at the same time we've two utter morons whose culture war outpourings to their reactionary, rich, southern, white pensioner audience mean they have to promise to put a stop to wind turbines and renewables
This country, post-Brexit, really is a total and complete ****ing madhouse
Your occasional reminder that she isn’t after your vote, and the well off are not hit by our economic woes in the same way as the rest of us.
This country, post-Brexit, really is a total and complete ****ing madhouse
Flagged since 2010 as a complete madhouse.
Start of the party was Thatcher though.
Big picture.
All the candidates in the Tory leadership election have, in varying degrees, argued in favour of more right-wing policies, not more left-wing.
That in itself doesnt necessarily mean anything. They have to suggest those sort of policies to get voted in by the members.
small businesses will go down like dominoes over the winter
They don’t care. The disaster capitalists that gave us Brexit aren’t about to take a break. The real economy, the SMEs that are key to it, the UK based workers that live in it… they are all expendable. There is big money to be made by some.
You know these disaster capitalists that were going to enjoy the benefits of Brexit (given its affect on the economy) - is there anything concrete to prove they gained big time?
Always wondered about that.
I've never really seen anything solid.
Well, you don’t need to look hard. Start with JRM and Crispin Odey.
small businesses will go down like dominoes over the winter
In our coastal, tourist based economy village, we have 3 fish and chip shops. With the bump in inflation, their prices went up 40 - 50%. They have seen a significant drop in sales. Particularly in their restaurants.
God knows what will happen in the next few months. They obviously use a lot of energy and it's a choice between LPG or electricity.
Now that may sound petty but for the local area it's significant and just an example. They are some of the key employers on the high street, a lot of people visit to get their fish and chips first and then spend money elsewhere.
If they go down, then there will be a massive consequence for the community.
You know these disaster capitalists that were going to enjoy the benefits of Brexit (given its affect on the economy) – is there anything concrete to prove they gained big time?
Always wondered about that.
I’ve never really seen anything solid.
They've barely even started. Brexit was just the beginning
This is a long term project to deregulate the UK economy and turn us into a tax haven for international capital with a sweatshop attached to it
Oh, and to make it “not just about Brexit” (Rone is very right there), remember that Liz Truss was a contributor to “Britannia Unchained”… there are many ways to rebalance things towards the capital holders and hedge funds, and away from improving the lives of ordinary people… get ready for more of all of them. Not that Sunak winning would make any difference there.
That in itself doesnt necessarily mean anything. They have to suggest those sort of policies to get voted in by the members.
It means quite a lot actually. The Tory Party does not automatically choose a leader who offers policies more right-wing than the previous leader.
And the first hurdle all eight candidates faced wasn't the membership, and yet they overwhelmingly made their pitches from a right-wing perspective.
After Johnson the Tories will in all probability move further to the right. Truss is unlikely to lurch the party to the left.
After Johnson the Tories will in all probability move further to the right. Truss is unlikely to lurch the party to the left.
Thats exactly what everyone here is saying. Absolutely nobody thinks that this leadership election will result in anything other than veering further off to the right into Brexity, isolationist free-market never-neverland
Brexit has now been Talibanised. Only those who believe in its purest of forms are worthy of leadership. Johnsons hard Brexit is now deemed nowhere near hard enough, hence Liz talking about dumping the Northern Ireland protocol (she'll do it too!) to appease the hardline Brexiteer nutjobs by giving them what they crave and sod the consequences for the rest of us.
Theres nothing like a convert, and Liz is now the most hardline of Brexiteers. Combine that with being so dense that light bends around her and she really is stupid enough to start a full on trade war with the EU just as the cost of living crisis really hits
This is a long term project to deregulate the UK economy and turn us into a tax haven for international capital with a sweatshop attached
That's not a Brexit thing. It's a neoliberal thing.
I mean Ireland enjoys very loose corp tax rates in the EU.
Well, you don’t need to look hard. Start with JRM and Crispin Odey.
But what have they made that they wouldn't have made under any other capitalist system - Mogg has done okay for a while I believe.
I mean can't it be true that Brexit has been implemented so badly that they haven't benefitted as much as they thought they would?
Odey’s biggest fund has increased in value by over 100% since the Brexit transition period ended. Not bad. But if you really want to argue that Odey’s interest in Brexit was not about making money, but was really about improving the lives of us little people out of the goodness of his heart, go ahead. I can’t agree. On the other hand, if you want to argue that without Brexit the Conservatives would still put hedge funds before the well-being of everyday folk, you won’t get any disagreement from me… but I can’t help feeling that at this point in a long period of Tory rule fewer people would be voting and cheering for them as they do so if it wasn’t for the journey of Brexit.
"What happens then? Eviction? Repossession? Bailiffs?"
Sectors that will be experiencing 'growth'
There is always money to be made.
When people have to borrow money just to have a hot meal, that lending is a gold mine for someone.
When companies are looking to be bought out rather than close their doors, that purchase will become a gold mine for someone.
I can’t help feeling that at this point in a long period of Tory rule fewer people would be voting and cheering for them as they do so if it wasn’t for the journey of Brexit.
Tories saw a popular thing and jumped right on it.
New name on the door, same friendly service inside.
The idea of leaving the EU was considered by a Tory government to be deeply unpopular with British voters. Which is precisely why, backed by Labour and the LibDems, they were happy and willing to call a referendum on the issue.
If they had believed that they would lose the referendum David Cameron's government would never have called it. The LibDems were the first major party to call for a referendum on EU membership, they certainly didn't do so because they thought it would be lost.
An interesting and I suspect fairly accurate analysis of Liz Truss. Although it does contradict the widely held view on here that she is some sort of clueless idiot who simply does what she is told, so probably not very comforting for some people.
Edit: I think the last paragraph is particularly poignant, especially the first sentence:
There are still people who can’t take Liz Truss seriously, but it’s this kind of sneering that has arguably been the making of her.
Odey’s biggest fund has increased in value by over 100% since the Brexit transition period ended. Not bad.
Okay.
No argument really - just it was a big point before we left, and I've never seen much of it.
There are still people who can’t take Liz Truss seriously, but it’s this kind of sneering that has arguably been the making of her.
What does that mean? A hell of a lot of people have had her nailed on as a future PM for a while now, she has been nakedly and tirelessly working towards that goal for years. She is taken very seriously as a leadership contender. She’ll be an awful PM though, for most of us. Is she seen as a joke by many people? As at least one step removed from reality? Yes, but so is our party of government. They fit together well. They’re going further down their reality tunnel… the one outsiders can very clearly see the UK heading down… and unless you’re well off… you have little choice but to be dragged down their path with them. Buckle up…
clueless idiot who simply does what she is told,
the article itself points out that she lacks emotional inteligence and that is key for a politician
also points out that she will u-turn at the drop of a hat, Im not sure her inconsistencies will help her
Im absolutely certain that she will be a terrible PM, for the UK, form a policy & competency perspective, not least because the promises she is making to the hard right to get into power back her into some dire situations or leave her vulnerable to cries of 'betrayal' when reality forces her to ditch them
Just because Gaby Hinsliff has forwarded the argument, doesn't make it credible. One could also argue that this campaign has revealed her to be a grasping egotist with little empathy, and quick to blame everyone else (mostly the media for "misrepresenting her", it has to be said) for her lack of understanding of just about how everything works in real life, and terrible presenting skills.
She's just a blank sheet of paper on which the the ERG will write their demands
Anyone expecting anything more than that is in for a wake up call
The first (and probably the only) thing on her To Do list is
1. Dump NI Protocol and start trade war with EU
2. Start a war on woke as pensioners are freezing to death.
An interesting and I suspect fairly accurate analysis of Liz Truss.
Theres hardly anything new in that and the only part of it that is of any significance is:
Truss is a workaholic policy geek whose government would be driven by her manic energy. In the worst-case scenario, she could do more damage than he ever did.
Be afraid. Be very afraid
The only reason that we're not in even more of a mess in this country is that Boris was so lazy and indolent that he simply couldn't be arsed with actually DOING anything.
Truss is absolutely *ing unhinged, in the orbit of the headbangers in the ERG and wrong about pretty much everything, so the last thing we need is some malfunctioning speak-and-spell machine going off on a mission
She *ing terrifies me!
While we're posting articles for the Guardian, this one is an ominous prediction of what's honing into view
The post-Johnson era is taking shape — and it looks like a massive lurch to the right
It is hard to imagine a more devastating and more completely foreseeable slow-motion car crash in economic policy than the one that the Conservative government is heading towards...
She said that patrol dogs will help to deter drones... I mean... wow.
Even the guy behind her was like, hmm, wtf? did she just say that?
We all know that it's going to be a really severe winter, we have got off lightly that last few years, so this year is bound to be multiple "Beasts from the East".
🤣 that video. Lolztruss is going to be absolutely dreadful. PMQs will be funny. Shame about the country though. We'll have to ride it out for two years before the public can tell her and the Tories to **** off.
Much like useless managers and bosses we’ve all encountered at work, Liz Truss’s main talent in life is positioning herself to rise up the ladder. Talent and competence don’t really come into it. It’s all about sucking up to the right people and presenting herself in a certain way. That may be good for getting to the top of a political party but I’m not so sure it’ll work in getting people to vote for her. The connection with voters that Johnson was so good at is completely absent in Truss. On the evidence of performance in cabinet it looks like she has little talent or ability on the delivery front. Which leaves empty PR and storytelling. The rightwing press are going to struggle to pull off the same trick they did with Johnson. Her only hope is the continued cowardice and ineffectiveness of Starmer.
Her only hope is the continued cowardice and ineffectiveness of Starmer.
That is why she will win the next election, unless Labour decide that Starmer needs to go which I can't see happening.
Her only hope is the continued cowardice and ineffectiveness of Starmer.
Surely Starmer doesn't need to be particularly effective against someone with, apparently, so little talent?
good example here of Truss pandering to culture war nonsense, only to create a kickback from actual jewish civil servants
its this kind of crass populism that cab backfire so easily
Surely Starmer doesn’t need to be particularly effective against someone with, apparently, so little talent?
It's not the conservatives that are Starmers problem, it's the racist/pro brexit labour voters who apparently dislike him so much they'd sooner vote conservative or abstain, lol!
What a time to be alive 😀
Surely Starmer doesn’t need to be particularly effective against someone with, apparently, so little talent?
She doesn't need talent, the cards are stacked against him;
- UK is a Tory country
- Media will be helping Truss and doing as much damage as they can to Starmer
- He is useless
Liz Truss is jist a sober Nadine Dorries.
She doesn’t need talent, the cards are stacked against him;
And 50 years ago some Labour people weren't very good, so clearly Starmer is bound to be rubbish too.
It’s not the conservatives that are Starmers problem, it’s the racist/pro brexit labour voters
Ah, when all else fails blame the voters for being so stupid, especially now apparently Labour voters.
What other possible explanation could there be?
Most voters are pretty stupid - irrespective of which way they vote. They are not really that interested in finding anything out, don't really understand basics of things like the economy and just go with what they always have or what they hear or are swayed towards. This is not a new thing. Some parties/leaders are better at exploiting it than others.
apparently Labour voters.
I didn't say ALL Labour voters, I said racist/pro brexit labour voters, that's an important distinction.
Most Labour folk are good folk, working people, salt of the earth, drink yorkshire tea etc. but a significant portion are scorched earth racists/brexiteers. It speaks volumes that you seem unwillng to realise that?
The usual on-point appraisal of this shitshow by Marina Hyde
Behold the warring Tories, fighting like cats in a sack to achieve – precisely nothing
The hustings now take place at a pitch only 75-year-old sociopaths can hear, so I’m afraid I don’t know whether bubbly detention centre redcoat Liz Truss last night promised to “look again” at bringing back the poor laws, though I am enjoying the doomed efforts of the Sunak campaign to insist that their guy gets it
I've always thought of the culture wars as Downton Abbey versus Stormzy.
Seeing as we seem to be heading for a future characterised by indentured servitude, humbly bowing before our betters, I think it's fair to say that Downtown Abbey is currently winning in the political stakes but the soundtrack is pretty good.
Does inkster win post of the day? The Downtrodden Abbey post gets my vote, anyway.
its this kind of crass populism that cab backfire so easily
I keep saying it, remember the audience. 99.96% of the population are currently irrelevant...
Dusting off the 'culture war' and 'anti-woke' dog whistle was always going to be part of the game but it's just a matter of timing, Suella Braverman made the mistake of playing that tune too early and it probably helped put more MPs off.
Of course once they're through to the members vote it's time to adjust the messaging to suit the old buffers with a vote. It doesn't matter if the bullshit is promptly rebuffed by someone in the know, the initial message landing with the target audience is all that matters...
mattyfez Free Member
apparently Labour voters.
I didn’t say ALL Labour voters, I said racist/pro brexit labour voters, that’s an important distinction.
I see, only Labour voters that vote incorrectly then.
But how come mattyfez a couple of days ago on the Starmer thread you were describing Labour as, quote, "unelectable"?
You think people should vote Labour despite you personally believing that Labour are unelectable?
I'll remind you:
mattyfez Free Member
Lol, this thread is nothing more than a circle jerk amongst the same people.
And those people don’t get why Labour are unelectable. And so continues the circle
For ages I've been trying to work out who Truss reminds me off...
If only she was that good
Can’t say I’m a huge fan of Will Hutton but this is bang on as far as the economics go. Pity he has little to say about how to help the working class. As with most centrists they obsess about the educated entrepreneurial elite and ignore the rest.
Be interesting to see what traction the Enough is Enough campaign gains when they start the rallies next week.
I think Liz Truss is about to emulate Maggie with her very own Poll Tax moment, potentially before she even becomes PM.
Entrepreneurial ≠ Educated. Plenty of highly educated people who can’t see past being a highly specialised employee, and plenty of successful small business owners who never pursued anything academic past school (and these people are being screwed by the Tories).
Entrepreneurial ≠ Educated.
True, but the likes of Hutton are obsessed with this small set of people. He may be right that the tories economic policies (and the wider consensus on deregulation) discourage startups in the academic sector, but where he's missing a trick is that most people outside of this tiny clique don't give a shit about the dozens/hundreds of jobs they can provide to people with PhDs and masters degrees. The 'knowledge economy' is all well and good but it doesn't provide jobs on the scale needed by the majority of the workforce.
Will Hutton has always been vocal about apprenticeships, non-academic training, start up funds for young people wanting to start up their own businesses… he’s not solely University focused, but he’s correct to point out that the government is putting barriers in the way of doing research and capitalising on it in the UK.
Looks like she's squatting, ready to curl one out.
Yep on the great unwashed 🙂
The high street is going to crash even further.
Business energy has no cap whatsoever.
A chippy owner was on the radio the other day, his bill will be going from £12k to £70k. Unsupportable.
Any high street shop that uses a lot of energy for heat or refrigeration is doomed. Butchers, bakers, takeaways will all become crazy expensive.
Local engineering companies, you know the small set ups with 10 or 20 employees in a unit.
Local micro breweries.
To give an example of a few.
They will all be absolutely ****ed.
This energy crisis is massive. The price hikes will be simply unaffordable.
And this lot will do **** all.
And this lot will do **** all.
I can’t see them not doing anything but they are going to rinse you whilst they still can.
Business energy has no cap whatsoever.
They will all be absolutely ****ed.
This
Talking to mates last week who own what was/is a thriving business that they've worked their arses off to build. Their energy costs have gone through the roof, to the point where he's questioning if its even now sustainable over the winter once the next price hikes hit.
I see absolutely no sign that there is even a flicker of an acknowledgment of the gathering storm, let alone any ideas about how to deal with it
The reduced tax will cover it won't it?... Won't it!?!?!