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I was surprised to see the bookies had Penny Mordaunt as the favourite, as I had never even considered her. And who the hell is Tom Tugendhat?!?!
I suppose, seeing as it's going to be a leadership contest, then there's kind of two types of candidiate- the one we'd like to have, and the one the Tory faithful are most likely to choose. In my experience they are pretty far from being the same!
We are having a bet on this at work.
I've gone for Ben Wallace.
My gf has said she wants Jeremy Hunt, as he is easiest to write poems about.
What rhymes with Zahawi?
Tory commentators are favouring Ben Wallace.
he's from Malawi
he eats Chapati
he knows karate
and teaches pilate...s
Tom Tugendhat?!?!
Brother of Tim Threegencoat?
Wallace was a remainer & may loyalist, but he looks the most likely
and the one the Tory faithful are most likely to choose
Fortunately they dont quite have free rein so its.
The two candidates the tory MPs can live with and then whichever of those is the most nutty gets chosen by the tory faithful.
Baker and Truss put to member vote. 😮
I have no idea but I remain somewhat terrified
Based on Boris, Brexit and Trump logic I'll go with Raab, Mogg or Patel.
Which one is the most normal? Is it Ben Wallace?
Which one is the most normal? Is it Ben Wallace?
Obviously it depends on what you call normal. Ben Wallace is the only one of the main contenders to have voted against same sex marriages, is that normal?
He would probably say no, it isn't normal.
Penny has the nicest hair. She gets my vote. Mogg would be funniest though.
Ken Clark for shits and giggles. His Twitter contributions have been good stuff just recently.
Just a thought..... I assume the rules dictate that Johnson can't put himself on the ballot?
My money is on Truss
For entertainment value it has to be Tom Tugnut-Hatstand, if only because his name has so much potential.
Plus he is a Catholic Jew with French nationality which is quite amusing for a British Prime Minister to be.
Plus his wife is a French judge and senior civil servant, so her commute to work from 10 Downing Street should be interesting.
Edit : Just a thought - as someone who is half foreign would he be allowed to look at Top/Most Secret stuff?
Nicola Sturgeon. I no longer recognise this cabal as a legitimate government. 😆
Sandwich
Full MemberKen Clark for shits and giggles. His Twitter contributions have been good stuff just recently.
Isn’t that a parody account?
Just a thought – as someone who is half foreign would he be allowed to look at Top/Most Secret stuff?
The previous one was born in America.
I put a fiver on gove a couple years ago and it's still sat on my Paddy power account as an open bet, so it needs to be gove!!
Someone call it on the other thread, Ramsay Bolton.
And who the hell is Tom Tugendhat?!?!
Dad was a high court judge, and he's ex military...couldn't be more Establishment if he tried.
Rees-Mogg, a return to Victorian values. Literally. The comedic value would make it worth it.
I’m hoping for Fabricant
After the litany of lies to come out of Downing Street in the last couple of years do we really want a PM whose name literally means fabricator?
Well, the hair's a talking point at least
I assume the rules dictate that Johnson can’t put himself on the ballot
er, no, I don't think they do. Not unless they actually do the no confidence vote thing.
Unfortunately, Matt Hancock is not standing.
Cthulu or skeletor.
I'm guessing that it'd be too late now, but on balance would it be worth the £25 to join the party to have a vote for the least-worst leader? Like some people did for Corbyn. Or would the damage from extra Facebook ads they could buy with my money outweigh the benefit? Obviously if you do this you'd hope it'd never come out that you were a member, for the sake of your reputation.
The received wisdom up until last time was that it was never the early favourites, as some get knocked out their supporters coalesce around a lower profile candidate.
Obviously Johnson blew that out the water, but I think we could see something like that happen again this time.
So it won't be truss or sunak, might be mordant, might be Wallace.
Apparently Rebekah Brooks has got it in for Hunt, so I wouldn't put any money on him. That and that he was a remainer.
It's mad how the guy we all hated for ****ing the NHS now seems like a beacon of sanity in the context of the current Tory party.
Given how he did such an effective job of banishing the moderates and surrounding himself by career yes men, I fear that whilst Johnson's replacement won't have his "charisma" (take that however you like) he or she will still be cut from the same cloth simply because of the party that he has created!
More meet the new boss, (almost the) same as the old boss I'm afraid...
And anyone who thinks either a snap General Election will happen, or would change anything anyway, is sadly very deluded...
Getting rid of Blowjob really is only the tip of the iceberg. Letting him stand as an MP in the first place (I bet David Cameron severely regrets letting him stand for that seat rather than attempting to stand for London Mayor again!) has caused untold damage, it was always obvious that someone with his character and desire for celebrity would jump on any bandwagon that gave him a platform to further his career, and the hard of thinking were always going to lap up any bullshit that he could feed them, so once he threw his hat in the ring with the Brexit referendum the situation we are in now was always inevitable I am afraid!
If we recover from Johnson's impact within a generation I will be VERY surprised... 😔
Ideally no remainder but judging from the pool the best they got so far are:
They are all interim until they prove themselves.
Penny Mordaunt should be the choice for PM.
Nadhim Zahawi for deputy but cannot be PM, for now, because his style does not suit the moaning oppositions.
Ben Wallace should just remain where he is. Lack leadership quality.
The rest are just not even worth noticing ...
Hunt? Not even worth mentioning ... puppet on the string.
Getting rid of Blowjob really is only the tip of the iceberg. Letting him stand as an MP in the first place has caused untold damage, ...
I keep hearing all these damages done by BoJo but what are those damages exactly? Pandemic? Sanctions? Grain shortage? What exactly?
chewkw, I know you're doing your best to be objective and to remind us all to be too... But seriously?!?! 🤷🏻♂️
He is, as Trump himself said, Britain's Trump... He stood staunchly in the face of the inevitable, literally denying it, preparing himself to carry on business as usual. He has put celebrity above policy over and again, he has created a movement who care significantly less for substance (to the point that they are very prepared to forgive unforgivable behaviour!) than they do for emotion, and he has pushed the idea that the PM is above the law over and over again!
The fact that he has (more by luck than judgement) managed to make a few decisions that have resulted better than they perhaps might have done is merely coincidental. A broken clock is right twice a day after all!
Ken Clark for shits and giggles. His Twitter contributions have been good stuff just recently.
You mean the same Ken Clarke who hasn't been an MP for nearly 3yrs, having been ousted by Blowjob for not being enough of a yes man...? 🤔
Also the Twitter account isn't him, and never has been. It's a parody account, that when he was questioned about it some while ago, he was actually quite impressed by their tenacity and their accurate grasp of the situation! 🤫
chewkw, I know you’re doing your best to be objective and to remind us all to be too… But seriously?!?! 🤷🏻♂️
All I can sense is that many try to find perfection in an imperfection.
I mean how many PMs do people need in such short period? Nothing can be achieved with all the uncertainty going on especially during the present global problems.
Doesn't matter now that BoJo is gone.
Well, let's go for next ride with another PM ... woohoo!
If Tom Tugenhat throws his hat into the ring will he thereafter be Tom Tugen?
Well it really doesn't make much of a difference who gets the job... the acceptance of the brexit mythology by all (even Starmer) means that no progress can be made and managed decline is all that can be delivered. Rishi actually identified it in his resignation letter when he spoke about telling the public the truth (about the state of our economy) even the institutions who normally dish out the reality of our ecomomy (BOE, ONS etc) are either playing down the news or it's suppressed by the Tory press, they are worried about the rest of the world realising what a desperate position our economy is in.
This is also masked by full employment and wage increases to counter the cost of living crisis. I am no economist but the fault lines are in plain site. At some point a government is going to have to really piss sections of society off.. Boris functioned as a sort of Liberal and the electorate now expects a range of handouts, tax cuts and inflation level pay/pensions awards.
The debt payments are quietly becoming a material burden - Rishi knows this is unsustainable so he ****ed off (he didn't give a shit about Boris)
There is no sensible way forward economically (without CU/SM membership) ... so that leaves a very limited set of choices for any government regardless of type.
Option 1 (retrenchment) - Low tax, low wage, low regulation, reduced public services (Thatcherism) = Fiscal Conservative small government = poor people get even poorer - yes its possible
Option 2 - there isn't an option 2 in the Tory ideology.
If Tom Tugenhat throws his hat into the ring will he thereafter be Tom Tugen?
No. Tom Onegenhat.
Oldmanmtb I don't think there are any options under any idealogy short of the far lefts lets just print some more money. To some extent weve already done that, the pound has tanked and we're even worse off.
There's only one way out of this and it's rejoining the EU in stages. Even then though we will never get the same standard of deal Thatcher negotiated with the generous rebates etc.
I think austerity is a given, the only bit of schadenfreude is that biggest impact will be on one of the socio economic groups that really supported Brexit. They had a serious decision to make, they choose poorly for bad reasons.
Unfortunately thus group is still holding the country to ransom, Starmer needs the red wall gammons back to have a chance of firming a government do his hands are tied regarding the single market etc.
We are all in for a rough time, some more than others.
Option 1 (retrenchment) – Low tax, low wage, low regulation, reduced public services (Thatcherism) = Fiscal Conservative small government = poor people get even poorer – yes its possible
Option 2 – there isn’t an option 2 in the Tory ideology.
Yep, I remember when my granny realised that Thatcherism wasn't the conservative 'values' she'd voted for all her life - god knows what she'd think of this lot, but then she grew up on the 30's so would probably see 'parallels'...
After the 2019 GE I pointed out to a friend that folk had voted for Option 1, just that the majority didn't realise.
Mogg
"Sic transit gloria mundi" as he said on the news last night.
WTF
#moggway
If Tom Tugenhat throws his hat into the ring will he thereafter be Tom Tugen?
No, he would be then called Tom Throwenhat. 😉
Apparently Ben Wallace set a record for the biggest bar bill at the Scots Guards officer's mess. Not sure if that qualifies him to be a good PM or not?
I'm just pleased Gove isnt running for PM, I cant stand the sight and sound of that man!
He's a SNAKE!!! 😉
Apparently Ben Wallace set a record for the biggest bar bill at the Scots Guards officer’s mess. Not sure if that qualifies him to be a good PM or not?
Did he pay it himself or did he wangle it on expenses?
Although tbh whichever it was I would still be pretty impressed.
Baker & Braverman my absolute favourite comedy self-deluded popmpous ****s so far
And I'm not normally a fan but this was spot on
https://twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp/status/1545299214636310529?t=aWmNZGxS0QLecCJgJYhwcw&s=19
Did Steve Baker really say in his interview with the BBC last night "...seize power..."? I may have mis-heard or taken completely out of context (was flicking channels as England lost another wicket in their T20 drubbing 😂), but if not, I am very terrified now!
reeksy
Free Member
If Tom Tugenhat throws his hat into the ring will he thereafter be Tom Tugen?No. Tom Onegenhat.
Deserves some credit as it suffered from being the last post on the page.
all these damages done by BoJo but what are those damages exactly?
I just wrote a long list for you but didn't realise the forum had logged me out and it disappeared when I hit submit. I'll take that as an omen that this isn't the thread for that.
Given where we are as a nation I'm going with Sam allerdyce/ Steve Bruce
Yep, I heard him say "seize power" too. Chilling.
I just wrote a long list for you but didn’t realise the forum had logged me out and it disappeared when I hit submit. I’ll take that as an omen that this isn’t the thread for that.
No worries. BoJo has gone now.
Given where we are as a nation I’m going with Sam allerdyce/ Steve Bruce
Crikey Steve Bruce ...
And I’m not normally a fan but this was spot on
Hahaha, no love lost there.
Politico has reported that Priti Patel is considering a run.
Obviously it'd be more surprising if she wasn't thinking about it, but it's still a chilling prospect.
Mogg
“Sic transit gloria mundi”
Didn't have Mogg down as a Brand New fan
At least Zahawi would provide a stable government
Saying the quiet bit out loud.
https://twitter.com/Procure4Health/status/1545159068259684353
I hear poopscoop was standing.
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Or am I conflating threads?
I must say, a quick skim of the Wiki entry for Tom Tugendhat puts him out front in the eyes of this floating voter (i've been known to vote Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green and Plaid Cymru over the past 37 odd years!). Let's see what the papers say about him as that will be a better indication as to whether he is a suitable candidate.
What stumpyjon said. Mordaunt and Wallace seem vaguely capable, but as early favourites they'll not be anywhere near the top by the end. I fear we're in for another Brexit halfwit.
Then we might get a GE. With maybe enough red wall new blue voters having died off or given up on the brexit bullplop and maybe voting labour again. With maybe a policy of back-into-the-EU-bit-by-bit.
Our democracy is poisonous. The real poison chalice was the UK getting on board with vanilla FPTP, two centuries ago.
Suella Braverman is my parents 'local' MP, they generally only have bad things to say of her now that she's been there a while - her human rights and welfare voting history makes Priti Patel look saintly.
Steve "Mein Kamph" Baker.... right wing Christian fundamentalist... better suited to Utah than The UK
Just to follow up on my post further back, i have had a good look around the mad and sensible options for the UK economy going forward... its not great if you are unskilled poorly educated etc.
Even the mad deregulation elements are concluding that they may actually end up with nothing to deregulate.
What is interesting is that the economy (primarily London) has a lot of money in the system and a lot of inertia so this is like a very big flywheel and it may simply take a long time to slow down. This theory makes a lot of sense and explains much about our Country, this also explains why the economy is slowly going downhill rather than off a cliff. This is in sharp contrast to the late 70s when the economy only had a fraction of that cash and inertia - there was little flywheel.
Interesting if worrying... unmanaged decline if you like.
Just talking to an acquaintance and yhey think that the redwalls are heading down the "slowly boiling the frog" route.
Again fits the flywheel model.
Rishi Sunak has put his name in the hat......
Rishi Sunak has put his name in the hat……
That bloke is delusional if he thinks he has leadership quality.
Interesting I thought Sunak would fly off into billionaire land.
Seriously piss off you fiscal nutjob.
Interesting I thought Sunak would fly off into billionaire land.
He would be better off doing just that rather than trying to pretend his billions mean leadership ...
That bloke is delusional if he thinks he has leadership quality.
Do any of them?
According to the Daily Mail… Dorries is thinking of running for leader.
[ what a sentence - well done Britain ]
According to the Daily Mail… Dorries is thinking of running for leader.
Please let this be true.
On Twitter recently I saw Nadine Dorries described as 'thick as a Boxing Day shit'
Given where we are as a nation I’m going with Sam allerdyce/ Steve Bruce
As an Albion fan, please let Bruce have the job. We'll take Liz as first team coach.
Is Sunak busy pretending he wasn't our previous cock-up reluctant-with-cash in a dying economy chancellor?
Must be a different Sunak if this one is the competent one.
Looking at the line-up for Tory chancers is like an special edition of the Monster Munch crisp mob.
Suella Braverman is my parents ‘local’ MP, they generally only have bad things to say of her now that she’s been there a while – her human rights and welfare voting history makes Priti Patel look saintly.
I read an article very recently about her, and I knew nothing about her before that, that effectively described her as Trump in a frock. A truly scary thought in oh, so many ways! 😱
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/suella-braverman-boris-johnson-resigns-b2117756.html