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Alex Jones, eh?

*wanders off*

Says this guy 😆

indeed anything from infowars/prison planet should be taken with a pinch of salt in my opinion.

If accurate, this story could completely derail the United States’ rush to attack Syria

Ooohh - they've stopped rushing to attack Syria. Perhaps it is all true and the OP is justified in his tinfoil hat!

Not saying it's a credible source but this is the original piece they are referring to on Info Wars - it does say that even the reporter works for AP, this is not an AP story.

[url= http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/ ]http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/[/url]

Hahaha - hope the Lefties are all happy to find themselves on the same side of the argument as Sarah 😆

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/sarah-palin-let-allah-sort-it-out-96128.html?ml=po_r

'Dale' becomes 'Dave' and is a she. I would strongly support anything suggested by such peerless journalism and so should you.

>Alex Jones

I'm out.

and ninfan is now with tony blair

infowars are not a credible source.

Nor of course are the rebels/al-qaeda fighters. And yet every announcement and allegation they make is regularly accepted as factually correct.

If the rebels/al-qaeda fighters claim that government forces have launched a nerve gas attack then the media will report it as precisely that.

Even though the only people who could possibly benefit from such a nerve gas attack in opposition controlled areas are the rebels/al-qaeda fighters themselves.

shakes head

Alex jones, Really?

The problem with this is that even if it is true nobody is going to believe him because he's a self publicising, conspiracy theorist nut job. By putting his name to it he's already devalued any credibility that the information may have had.

and ninfan is now with tony blair

Always was - he is a Tory after all 😉

was it this guy..?

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So it was Assad then?

Infowars 😆 Best spoof news site now that the Onion's lost its edge.

Even though the only people who could possibly benefit from such a nerve gas attack in opposition controlled areas are the rebels/al-qaeda fighters themselves.

Not so; not by a long way. The US (and Saudis et al) benefit by ultimately gaining control of Syria, its resources, and the block of land between Iraq/Kuwait and the Med.. Think of the benefits of not having to negotiate the Persian Gulf...

They need their excuses to 'intervene'.

Three_Fish - Member

Not so; not by a long way. The US (and Saudis et al) benefit by ultimately gaining control of Syria, its resources, and the block of land between Iraq/Kuwait and the Med.. Think of the benefits of not having to negotiate the Persian Gulf...

They need their excuses to 'intervene'.

Yes, you are right. In fact most military strategist will be able to see that coming ... a bit like the pincer movement or to divide and to conquer. 🙄

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Take a look and be suprised

Nothing that Alex Jones spouts would surprise me 🙄

If you really need to prove to strangers on the Internet how easily led you are

Posting Alex Jones links is the best way to go about it.

Ooooh, oooh, are we doing maps?

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I don't know how reliable the International Business Times is, apparently it's [i]"the fourth-most visited site among business newspapers"[/i] but they are extensively carrying the story, although from the same source, which presumably they feel is reasonably reliable :

[url= http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/502830/20130901/pat-buchanan-syria-chemical-false-flag-saudi.htm ]Syria: Rebel Groups, Not Assad, Behind Chemical Attacks Says Pat Buchanan[/url]

Obviously Pat Buchanan isn't someone I would instinctively trust, although TBF he's merely expressing an opinion rather than claiming to be providing facts.

I reckon probably the most sensible approach is to take everything everyone says with a pinch of salt, after all they say that 'the truth' is always the first casualty of war, and instead look at likely motives, if you're interested in likely probabilities.

They need their excuses to 'intervene'.

I would dispute that, Obama/the US has made it clear that they have no wish to be embroiled in another war in the Middle East. Sitting back and watching the Syrian regime/Al-Qaeda/Hezbollah kill each other appears to be the preferred strategy. Syria has no significant amount of oil and a weak war-ravaged Syria would weaken Iran and strengthen Israel.

BTW chewkw, did you colour in that map yourself ? ..........what a load of bollox 🙂

Previously, both Afghanistan and Iraq were very anti-Iranian. Now, as a result of US intervention in the region, both Afghanistan and Iraq have much more pro-Iranian governments. Another triumph for US foreign policy.

turns out the UK may have sold Assad the ingredients to make his Sarin

theres no conspiracies; just greed and stupidity

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html

Ireland is the 51st state?!!

My instincts say it wasn't Assad, but Alex Jones for conclusive evidence? are you ****in joking OP?!

Ooooh, oooh, are we doing maps?

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You have assumed that Afganistan was a hejeminous whole - there have always been close links with the Hazara and Iran.

Kaesae! You're back!

turns out the UK may have sold Assad the ingredients to make his Sarin

theres no conspiracies; just greed and stupidity

ernie_lynch - Member

BTW chewkw, did you colour in that map yourself ? ..........what a load of bollox

No, I did not but this geezer did ... [url= http://www.juancole.com/about ]Prof of History ... [/url]

I can agree that it's a pretty poor attempt at map colouring.

😆

Kaesae! You're back!

And look, Kaesae now appears to be writing for the Daily Telegraph .... more conspiracy theories :

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-Syria.html ]Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia’s gas contracts[/url]

[i] As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord. “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” he allegedly said.

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on and off. “These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria’s political future.” [/i]

I particularly like this bit :

[b][i]"Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on and off"[/i][/b]

Very interesting thoughts and responses

Wow that infowars site is impressive; its now on my favourites list above AboveTopSecret.com but below davidicke.com 😉

Funny thing is, if 2 years ago you had said Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris were kiddy fiddlers, people would've scorned you... David Icke has been saying about Jimmy Savile for years. The recent alleged new evidence regarding Diana would suggest he is closer to the truth than much of the mainstream media, although I'm still a touch apprehensive about the whole lizard thing.

However, in the bigger picture, when we have repeated history of Governments lying about the reasons for going to war, not to mention the recent and ongoing spying scandal and the Governments misuse of terror laws to apprehend data from David Miranda which is likely to have been in the public interest gives a fairly conclusive picture of who the real criminals are...

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/02/edward-snowden-why-are-the-spooks-so-spooked-3937082/

and back on topic:

Funny that the UN seems to think its the Rebels who are to blame, especially in light of the alleged hacked emails from Britam Defence (google it):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22456106

So, if it wasn't Assad, does this mean it was the turn of the French to sex up the dossier this time around? Is there a rota?

Funny thing is, if 2 years ago you had said Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris were kiddy fiddlers, people would've scorned you...

For Jimmy, really. Rumours where abound about that fella for a loooong time.

I'll accept Rolf though. I haven't heard any news, but I'm guessing that's an ongoing thing not fully decided?

"David Icke has been saying about Jimmy Savile for years. "

Just as a point of order, Icke said Savile was a Satanist, didn't he?

Jimmy Savile was a Satanist ?? Well they kept quiet about that !

Has anybody noticed how this Alex Jones chap seems a little too well informed, almost as if he is involved at high level (fans the flames and leaves in my black helicopter)?

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Seems rumours about Jimmy Savile were pretty commonplace within the BBC:

which makes you wonder, what else are the hiding?

Back to Syria

Question Authority...

Whether these emails are legitimate or not, I don't know, however, it seems conceivable...

http://www.examiner.com/article/hacked-e-mails-reveal-washington-approved-plan-to-stage-syria-chemical-attack

John Kerry is abit unstable IMO

the American goverment is a credible source then 😆

mainstream media too 🙄

There's not enough D Icke on this forum IMHO.

Personally, I reckon the UN is about to find out that the weapons used were in fact of Iraqi origin. Thus proving conclusively that S. Hussein esq did have em, (albeit we already knew that he did, just that we didn't know where he put them), he shipped them over the border along with his dosh. This will lead to the world deciding that G Dubyer and Tone are in fact proper geezers and on our side after all, thus leading to even more lucrative lecture tours..

For that reason, I believe that G Dubyer and Tone are at the root of this situation as those with the most to gain from it.

......... I can do conspiracy! 8)

Funny thing is, if 2 years ago you had said Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris were kiddy fiddlers, people would've scorned you...

Rolf yes (and be hasn't been found guilty yet) but Jimmy not so much.

David Icke has been saying about Jimmy Savile for years.

If he has, then he wasn't on his own was he.

Loads of people have been saying the same about Savile for As long as I can remember.

My mum worked at LGI in the 60's/70's and when I was a kid she wouldnt let me write to Jim'll Fix It ! !

although I'm still [b]a touch apprehensive [/b]about the whole lizard thing.

Just a touch apprehensive ? 🙄

Fuggit, you know what, I'm going all out batshit mental and posting a David Icke Link here, ready to be shot down by the brainwashed trolls who lap up all the propaganda and spin fed to them by governments and corporate interests:

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/90096-kerrys-cozy-past-with-assad-hes-a-very-generous-man

David Icke isn't the be all and end all, but in many instances, he's a more reliable news source than many of the skewed perspectives that are used to control the populace.

Oh, and for no particular reason, another plug for the killing of Tony Blair:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22595538/the-killing-of-tony-blair

I note that the Americans have by-passed the dodgy Colin Powell 'mobile chemical labs' and Dodgy Dossier stage, are proceeded directly to asserting that they are certain it was Assad has used chemical weapons.
Still without actually providing any evidence. Which seems to consist in its entirety of 'because the French said he has'

Still.... Its good to know its based on a lot firmer foundations than Iraq, eh?

I'm going all out batshit mental and posting a David Icke Link here, ready to be shot down by the brainwashed trolls who lap up all the propaganda and spin fed to them by governments and corporate interests:

I love the way you folks......

Steady on Junky he started out by admitting to being Bat Shit Mental... no need to mock the afflcited.

Erm Thanks for bringing some clarity to my life
I love the way you folks all think you are the secret holders of the truth
I love the way you insult anyone for disagreeing with your highly implausible world order view.
Most of all I love the way you have decided everything is a conspiracy and melt events to fit your pre ordained world view whilst accusing others of not being open minded

Yo Medusa, I haven't done any of the above, you have merely judged me from your pedestal~ if you had the open mind you preach of, you would at the very least acknowledge my opinion, rather than leaping into a tirade of preconceived abuse... from my experience, there is no global or absolute truth and no-one gives entirely accurate information~ everyone will manipulate it somewhat to their own ends.

My main philosophy comes from Bill and Ted...

"Be excellent to each other" and "party on dudes"

Unfortunately, those there fellas waving their phallic missiles about and lusting after yet more wealth and the pollution it brings don't seem to be tuned into that wavelength.

Now, lets increase the peace and look for solutions, not problems 😉

My main philosophy comes from Bill and Ted...
"Be excellent to each other" and "party on dudes"

Nice philosophy.

....ready to be shot down by the brainwashed trolls

Ah well, nice try 😐

binners - Member

Still without actually providing any evidence

Is it not just a case of looking at the receipts? (c Bill Hicks)

Hold on you called anyone who disagreed with you a brain dead troll then you moan about a lack of respect for others viewpoints when someone disagrees with you, You then ask us to be excellent to each other after insulting me again for disagreeing with you
I apologise for missing out about loving your hypocrisy

Haterz gonna hate, loverz gonna love

xxx

[s]dickheads gonna be.......[/s] 🙄

irritated people are going to get irritated...... then perhaps rethink and temper their response

Is it not just a case of looking at the receipts? (c Bill Hicks)

interesting read here

(the guy seems legit a lot of very detailed and impartial analysis -and no mention of illuminatii, lizards or that saville ****)

http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/a-detailed-summary-of-evidence-on.html

Thats a brilliant find kimbers and I appreciate the wholly objective stance taken~ it's just a touch frustrating that even with such in depth analysis of the scenario, there is no conclusive proof in either direction.

Obviously, I'm biased against the western powers simply due to their continued history of lies and exploitation, however, I'm open to accept that on occasion they do do things for the greater good.

That said, I can but wonder why there was no such outcry with the allegations of white phosphorus use by Israel...

Worth a read for what seems a fairly even handed appraisal..

[url= http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/29/9-questions-about-syria-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/?tid=pm_pop ]9 questions about Syria you were too embarrassed to ask[/url]

Its not an allegation over israel it is accepted is it not?

Everyone lies at some point but that is no reason to think they always lie.
Very few people trust a western government, when it comes to foreign policy, as it is a moral vacuum driven by self interest.
Yours brainwashed etc

what amazes me jivehoney is that this information is out there, yet the governments intelligence is just MI6 saying- we think Assad did it, with no sources or details provided

Obviously, I'm biased against the western powers...

That's not very open minded is it.

~ if you had the open mind you preach of

Stewart Lee has a good bit about Hicks (although he probably means it in the opposite way): "I'd live to be judged on half an hour of material...".

Obviously, I'm biased against the western powers...

That's not very open minded is it.

Open minded enough to admit it... what's your bias, or don't you have one 😉 ?

xxx

I know an open minded racist - they know they are a racist and biased against non whites

When they tell me this they wink ...oh how we laugh

😆 😉 😉
Neals bias seems to be that he does not suffer fools gladdly
You both have a point FWIW

I've taken the time and trouble to read through some of the tosh thats being bandied about as "evidence" etc on here, and if people think the Western governments are fabricating stuff, Christ alone knows what they are thinking looking at this stuff. Grainy extracts from unattributed videos, recycled news shots, a series of bland unsupported statements that could just as equally be untrue as true.

Truthfully we don't have a clue, nor the resources to find out. The only people who are likely to have a clue are the UN investigators, and perhaps some national governments secret services. Personally, I don't think the blocking of the UN inspectors access by Assads mob, and the liklihood that the chemical agents have a rapid dispersal inbuilt are unrelated. But hey thats just another guess.

what amazes me jivehoney is that this information is out there, yet the governments intelligence is just MI6 saying- we think Assad did it, with no sources or details provided

It's more about what the French are saying their 'dossier' states that the weapons used were too complex to have been used by untrained militia or for them to have been able to build it.

Given the number of fatalities (if those figures are to be believed) I would be inclined to believe this. Chemical weapons are notoriously difficult to administer and control; they might work well in controlled environments but generally High Explosives are far better method of killing people - chemical weapons are more effective for propaganda/terror use and are not really the weapons of mass destruction the media would have you believe. Actual use on a 'traditional' battlefield is more about inconveniencing the enemy forces than killing them - there are good reasons why their use in WW1 was limited and barely registers in WW2 (extermination camps aside).

Other than we have international laws banning the use of chemical weapons I am still confused as to why we ignore the use of HE and cluster munitions on densely populated areas but then think we ought to act when chemical weapons are used?