[Closed] So what's the plan?

Let's just see what the Brexit folks come up with? You wished for it - got it - now fix it

By undercutting the Asian nations on cheap labour.

Except we can't, as our workers are protected by various European directives. Oh, hang on...

sod the trading, manufacturing (yes there is some), there's a shed load of domestic carnage to fix first.

That's not a plan it's a strap line

Domestic carnage don't pay the bills

Colournoise you have just cut off your cheap labour and no one in the UK wants to labour for minimum wage

Plan I need a plan not bollocks - I run a business that pays wages, anyone got a plan?

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Oh * there is no plan? Just **** rhetoric- and that does not pay your mortgage - once again can I have a plan please? Is there anybody out there?

Come on colournoise whats the plan - serious question

Is there anybody out there?

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I run a business that pays wages, anyone got a plan?

If you haven't had a contingency plan for a likely outcome of the referendum, I do wonder...

I have a plan
1. Don't take additional staff on
2. Sweat the asset

What I want is the grand plan?

Basically no one in the Brexit camp from Boris down to Joe blogs has a Scrooby what to do? Anyone want to challenge that

It's not looking good oldmanmtb.

I think everyone's left.

I'm going to pop out to see if I can find anyone.

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I might be a while.

i don't accept the result.

Well thank **** for that.

Where are you seosamh........in Scotland ?

yip.

Jesus talk about being sold a dummy, anyone got a plan? Other than retrenchment? So 51% of the population has voted for no plan? Come on Brexiteers what's the plan?

you seem a tad upset ernie, should you not be jumping for joy today?

"Looks like moral needs a boost No 1"

The silence is deafening.....

Sorry my mistake let's chuck a YouTube video at it that will sort it, still want a grand plan?

Sorry my mistake let's chuck a YouTube video at it that will sort it, still want a grand plan?

Soz 🙁

Wrote a page or so then gave up as really couldn't be arsed.
Basically said do what's best for yourself, family and business, as will the vast majority of people in the UK.
There will be huge opportunities as well as downsides to this decision, winners and losers as always.
Grand Plans (5 Year Plans? ) never work, and in the UK it's the sum of the parts is greater than the whole IMO. What I mean is the direction etc of the country is more influenced by the small, growing and mature businesses, and general population, than the preening tw*ts in Westminster or Brussels

PS If you can be arsed to write a plan as if we had remained, I will do one for brexit
( As an aside I voted remain)

first they came for the spd's, I had none
Then they came for the flats, they had rust
Then they came for me, I gave them your address

you'll be ok, the van looked comfy.

I got a free biscuit today, because they felt sorry for me being English and all.

We will end up in a Norway type situation, but without the large oil industry to small population ratio and massive sovereign fund. None of the issues brexit people have been talking about will "improve" we will now have zero say in any decisions, politicians will be even more at the will of the papers and our economy will be smaller. Even Boris and co are not stupid enough to pull up the draw bridge as many want.

Brexit. An victory for for opinion over evidence.

There will be huge opportunities as well as downsides to this decision,

Go on then, list them. I strongly suspect the second column will be substantially longer than the first.

As someone else said on another thread: this lovely fluffy idea of an English/Welsh powerhouse at some indeterminate point down the line is great, but surely the people who wished for it have some idea of how they plan to take us there?

Incomes fall, tax revenues fall, more turn to crime and steal from the rich old folk who voted for brexit.
House prices fall but interest rates are so high no one can afford the repayments.
On the upside public health improves as we can no longer live on a diet of Tesco wine and cadbury giant buttons and our kids have to turn the computers off and get a job.
Men and women become more attracive and lots of shagging happens(cos three's fa else to do).

Eventually a leader comes along who can unite the country, all the old baby boomers are dead, public serices across Europe are all run by Serco so theres a new EU wide referendum to create one state which is agreed.

However a scientific discovery reveals we are all actually participants in an advanced game of Sims (Milky way Edition) played by a teenager on the planet Drog and about to be ugraded with the new intergalactic war update.

After centuries of fighting Uranus we agee peace terms and form a union.

Shortly afterwards the teenager on Drog gets a job and turns off Sims.

The plan is something like.. Every man for himself!
I'm going to ride my bike now and I expect some good plans when I get back....

We do what the swiss do.
Specialise in niche manufacturing that we do well.
JCB will serve as an example
Land Rover products
Rolls Royce cars
Jet engines
Military stuff like rockets (BAE)
Space bits and bobs
plane parts
Banking

We will be screwed over by Europe, we have to be. If we arent then all the remaining member states will realise the 'levy' for being 'In' does you no good so the whole shooting match would disintergrate

What the UK has to do is try to get acceptable trading tariffs with the whole world. We hear of red tape from Brussels strangling industry, so maybe now we can breathe properly industry might do a little better.

No knee jerk reactions, realise the money markets movements are paper losses and manipulted by market traders in the city .

Everyone will still go to work on monday morning , not alot is going to change for a year , so you have one year to get off your backside and see this as an opportunity , not a woe is me exercise.

On the bright side all the outers who complained about the foreigners stealing 'our jobs' will presumably now find gainful employment picking crops....(other manual low paid jobs are available)....

We do what the swiss do.

Specialise in niche manufacturing that we do well.

JCB will serve as an example

Good, we can make tractors like the soviets did

Land Rover products

Owned by India, may well decide being in Europe is better than being out

Rolls Royce cars

Owned by ze Germans, who may decide keeping manufacturing within the EU is easier

Jet engines

Good to a point, but we threw away our world beating status in the aviation industry about the same point in time as Brexit campaigners think we can go back to

Military stuff like rockets (BAE)

Excellent. Just what the world needs. More bombs.

Space bits and bobs

Bits and bobs won't build you an economy

plane parts

Mostly Airbus, who are mooting the idea of leaving

Banking

...only works well when you're not in the middle of a huge, self-inflicted recession

And with the exception of banking, we need to import raw materials and energy for all those industries to operate. Those raw materials and energy are now 10% more expensive.

Banking - also relies heavily on being part of the single market to make an international banking proposition attractive. Hence the big investment banks looking to move thousands of jobs out of London.

Well at least all that pesky red tape and those silly EU laws that gave us access to the single market will soon be consigned to history.

Jesus what were people thinking?!

We hear of red tape from Brussels strangling industry, so maybe now we can breathe properly industry might do a little better.

99% of which will stay the same. The eu has been a scape goat for business that moan about regulations, business always moan about regulations but still has done very well in the uk while part of the uk. If you beilve that these eu regulations have significantly held us back especially compared to what we gained you are flying in the face of the evidence of the growth we have experienced.

Now we have to renegotiate trade deals from a weaker position as we will not be part of the eu, so will get a worse deal.

We do what the swiss do.

[i]Become eye-wateringly expensive to live in?[/i] Spoke to a Swiss guy a couple of years back at the airport about how tough it was living over there and how most of their workforce at the time was commuting from the EU - tell me do they pay to play still?

Specialise in niche manufacturing that we do well.

[i]By its very nature, 'niche' means small[/i] Orange & Hope to save the day - I think I've seen under 20 orange bikes outside when I have been in Oz don't think it's going to cut it

JCB will serve as an example

Banking will be on the way out, what are the advantages of being in the UK now?

Anyway all serious answers back of a postcard to
Borris
Number 9
Downing St

Just watched a C4 piece from Barnsley about why people voted out. ****ing depressing attitude.

So all you English, Welsh and other worldly citizens, come and live North of the Border, you'll like IrnBru and Lee's Snowballs soon enough. Our language and use of it may seem strange at first but you'll get the hang of it eventually, but probably not the rain. Perhaps we could do a swap with the bigots and nobheads that do live here and corral them all in Barnsley. That'll likely be the majority of Rangers fans and some from the other teams.

Maybe our political elite should have had this open discussion prior to the vote. The truth (more of this will arrive over the next 2 years) is we don't have any plan other than hoping financial services (primarily London) keep us out of the real shit. Putting aside the differences from both camps the reality is that those who voted (typically older/poorly educated) are not the ones in general who create wealth or jobs and when this turns nasty as our tax receipts decrease and our ability to borrow cheap money disappear it will be those people who will bear the brunt of services and income cuts in simple terms the benefits (pensioners unemployed low income) have voted themselves into poverty. I am fortunate and my family will probably prosper on the back of this but we have a bigger cultural problem as pointed out as "who is going to pick the fruit" we are simply not a nation of grafters anymore we are fat, idle and hand fed benefits which people believes they have a right to a house and free money.

Boris plan - is probably to be a Kingmaker then sit back and not get involved in any nitty gritty.
Mr Gove plan to be Boris's King
IDS plan - I dread to think probably be the next Blair
Theresa May plan - resist the temptation to be Maggie Thatcher 2 (without North Sea Oil)
Labour party plan - talk bollocks until sacked from job

This is as far as anyone in the leave camp has thought.

I thought this was the plan so far

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In response to much earlier post - we really can not compete with emerging nations on labour costs, paying £1 hour - nonsense.

What we are most competitive on is cheap capital, efficient production, very good labour relations and excellent R&D. So for specialist high end stuff we are still well placed.

But think about, eg car manufacturing. Car plants set up in UK to build for European market because of our ability to provide quality labour (with low risk of industrial unrest) good infrastructure and low capital costs - but only enough to be competitive in zero tariff Europe. If the barriers with Europe go up the car industry will go... Other manufacturing is similar

I saw interviews from Barnsley too, Hartlepool, Durham etc but it isn't just North of England, it was pretty much everywhere outside London, Scotland, NI and a few big urban area (I live in Leeds, marginally in). Either immigration or a non-profit protest vote against Cameron/elites/the south we no thought of the consequences. I'm all for protest voting, but this really was not the election to do it.

But we do live in a democracy, and as much as I hate and worry about the result, we must push for the Government to make the best from the situtation. If we can get some sort of free trade deal with EU we may not be screwed, but the costs may be even higher than membership. The reason we will not get a free ride on the EU single market is because of the social costs (workers rights) etc of membership - they are not going to let us leave, worsen our employment rights and undercut their market in a way they cannot match

People voted to leave for the wrong reasons, a lot seem not even connected to Europe.

Maybe for a good PR boost we can give the troops down here a break
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I voted to remain, I'm not happy with the result, obviously.

My plan?

Stop ****ing whining, stop listening to people ****ing whining, go back to work on Monday and carry on working hard to keep putting food on the table for my family.

A load of theoretical paper value has been lost. The imaginary house of cards we were building our plans on may topple. Bitching and blaming on the interweb is not going to change that.

Or explain why worried an wait for someone to tell me why it will be ok.

I honestly don't think it will be Armageddon, but I think the Govt will need to work very hard to moderate the impact and this is why I want to see a plan some strong leadership.

I'm speaking from a pretty uninformed position here, but I was under the impression that our trade deals with the rest of the world were based on being part of the EU, so they will ALL need to be renegotiated now - is that true? Scares me if so, that's such a weak position.

A load of theoretical paper value has been lost

so they will ALL need to be renegotiated now - is that true? Scares me if so, that's such a weak position.

The EU currently has existing PTAs with 52 countries, and it is negotiating trade agreements with another 72 countries. In case of Brexit, the UK would therefore need to re-negotiate or start new bilateral negotiations on 124 trade agreements, plus one additional trade agreement re-defining its own trade status as a third country vis-à-vis the EU.

And having seen how the negotiations go (makes going to mars look quick) it will be fun. Each country will have something they want extra on top.

It's not like people weren't told. Unfortunately they were also told to ignore the experts and to take their country back.

Back about 50-70 years by the look of this...

Here's a crazy notion, if the political elite had actually listened to the working class about immigration instead of guffawing into their wine glasses and calling everyone racists who mentioned it then maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.

All the parties got it wrong, while immigration wasn't a problem to them on their 60k+ salaries and nice country retreats, it is seen as a big issue by a massive amount of people (rightly or wrongly).....were they all asleep while UKIP et al gained council seats, MEP seats etc?!?

If the government had bothered to bring in the skills/points based system that Australia use and the electorate have been crying out for then maybe this referendum needn't have happened?....classic case of politicians forgetting they are public servants and in position to do our bidding and not vice versa.

The political elite brought this on themselves by refusing to have a proper debate in immigration.....before some smart arse chips in yes I know immigration is an economical net contributor but a lot of the Brexit voters don't know or care about that, they wanted an overhaul of the system, they wanted to easily deport bogus asylum seekers....they felt frustrated because everytime this looked like happening we had to abide by EU rules and let people into the country with criminal records, allow failed asylum seekers to stay because they'd taken their case to the European court etc....no wonder huge swathes of the electorate felt we'd lost control.

Now, if the UK can introduce a skills/points based immigration system and start deporting freeloaders without having to go to a European court we'll be making progress in my opinion. The highest court in the land should be in the UK not Brussels and verdicts handed down here shouldn't be challenged abroad, ridiculous and hopefully a lot of this farcical nonsense will stop now we're out.

(Scotland, enjoy your independence without a Westminster subsidy!....you can become the EU's problem instead).

If the government had bothered to bring in the skills/points based system that Australia use and the electorate have been crying out for then maybe this referendum needn't have happened?....classic case of politicians forgetting they are public servants and in position to do our bidding and not vice versa.

Now, if the UK can introduce a skills/points based immigration system and start deporting freeloaders without having to go to a European court we'll be making progress in my opinion.

Ok
So we cannot manufacture our way out the mess we are now in. we have no industry , and what we do have would be better inside the EU umbrella.
So , In another attempt to answer the ' What do we do now with what we have to work with' question here are a few more STM gems

Start looking at buying everything from outside the EU.
This is our current import expendure ( world-wide )

Machines, engines, pumps: US$83.4 billion (13.3% of total UK imports)
Vehicles: $76.8 billion (12.3%)
Electronic equipment: $61 billion (9.7%)
Oil: $50.8 billion (8.1%)
Pharmaceuticals: $33.1 billion (5.3%)
Gems, precious metals: $30 billion (4.8%)
Medical, technical equipment: $18.2 billion (2.9%)
Plastics: $17.7 billion (2.8%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $15.6 billion (2.5%)
Clothing (not knit or crochet): $11.3 billion (1.8%)
59% of our imports come from the EU

Just maybe if the Eurozone suddenly realise the UK is not going to buy everything from our ex friends in europe and that they rely on the UK consumerism led culture to sell vast amounts of things that you could live without to us. You do not need a T5 , an S6 estate , Smeg in your kitchen etc..Then maybe the export taxes and levys won't be as punative as they might be.

Or we could just revert back to living well within our means.
3 weeks hols abroad , private schools, 2 or 3 cars on the drive , 6 or 7 bikes, £4k watches , £75pcm on Sky, £40pcm on a phone , a take away every week,50" tele , meal out every week, Gym subs, new car every 3 years on finance. Rather than this being normal or accepted it becomes the exception. Just maybe you will hear the phrase ' Sorry , I can't afford it' alot more.

Just maybe you will hear the phrase ' Sorry , I can't afford it' alot more.

You mean greatly reduced standards of living? Well, why didn't Boris' ****ing bus have that on the side of it instead of his £350m/week lie? Do you reckon you'd have got the same result if it had?

In short, lied to. Told everything will be better. Now it seems the 'scare' of remain weren't lying after all. They were worryingly accurate.

That's lovely deviant, if only this vote had been to remove the people that have been screwing the populace, rather than a Conservative "who's the most right wing" leadership struggle disguised in a referendum. The outcome of which is fast looking to be the status quo wrapped up in a financial crisis.

1. No manufacturing base

This is so ****ing wrong it show a complete lack of understanding of UK manufacturing.

We make alot!

According to Liam Fox there isn't one-they're just hoping they can put off triggering article 50 until they've thought of one...

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As far as I see it, the current government instigated the EU referendum and no matter the outcome they are still the current government. Are you telling me they had no plan should the result not go their way? The 'brexiteers' are not in government, they are 17million members of the voting public so why should they have a plan to move the country forward? That's what the tories were elected to do. The question should be what are the governments plans to move the country forward now we have voted to leave.

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Plenty of MP's there...

That's what the tories were elected to do. The question should be what are the governments plans to move the country forward now we have voted to leave.

But they are there right now to do a job, surely the whole point of a democracy is to carry out the will of the people? If the government are not willing to carry out their role, just as you or I would in our jobs, then they should either call an election immediately or get on with the job.

But they are there right now to do a job, surely the whole point of a democracy is to carry out the will of the people?

I accept the democratic decision, so what's the plan? How do we regain our trading position? I have repeatedly asked the question of the Brexit folks and as of yet I have not received any sort of answer? It's all well and good but we have some big problems -
1. No manufacturing base
2. No one in the rest of the world wants to buy our financial serices (they already have it or don't want it)
3. No overseas organisation will put there HQ in the UK
4. Do we rely on designing Dyson vacuums to make a living?

Regardless of the rhetoric just how the **** are we going to make a living?

Explain please

We will make money the same way we did a few days ago. There will be trade deal negotiations with whoever we need to in the world and carry on. Britain doesn't just stop because we leave the EU. We will buy from them and they will buy from us. Calm down, it will be OK. If they slap on punitive import duties, it just backs up the idea that they don't give a shit about us and we were just to be milked. I don't believe that they will be too harsh. Plus the fact that if we are out we won't have to shell out for the failing economies in the EU will offset this by whatever.

But no one - and I don't care what side they are on or how qualified they are - can know how good, bad or not really any different this decision will make things in 5 or 10 years.

The main problem I see is that though the Leavers won, it still is 50/50 pretty much. So some sort of compromise would be the best solution. And that is what should be discussed.

I don't like the all or nothing stance, life is just not like that.

The main problem I see is that though the Leavers won, it still is 50/50 pretty much. So some sort of compromise would be the best solution. And that is what should be discussed.

I don't like the all or nothing stance, life is just not like that.

We will make money the same way we did a few days ago.

All this for no good reasons...

The UK will carry on it has to it's just knocked itself back a few years/decades and those that worked hard up to now will just have to work harder/longer to deal with it.

Anyone got ideas for making ourselves more resilient to any potential financial downturn?

Mine are:

[list][*]Pay as much as I can off my mortgage for the reminder of the fixed term (4yrs)[/*]
[*]Sell everything I don't really need[/*]
[*]Build up savings, if I can[/*]
[*]Review what I spend money on and reduce outgoings[/*]
[*]Ride my bike a lot[/*][/list]

That graph shows a staggering level of disconnection between Labour politicians and their voters.

Although it could be said that the whole party apparatchik class/bureaucracy is also completely disconnected from its own party members - 85% of Labour councillors did not vote for the present leader despite the fact that 60% of members and supporters did, giving him the greatest level of support of any Labour leader in history.

I guess this level of disconnection is the logical conclusion of Tony Blair's intensive purging of democracy, no one was accountable to anyone other than him. Stalin would have been proud.

I find the whole situation frankly quite scary. We have a Labour Party whose entire structures are rotten and not fit for purpose, something which Corbyn has done absolutely nothing about, and we are facing a political right-wing threat far more serious than Thatcher.

Things aren't looking too good imo. Electing a Labour leader who actually believes in Labour values and leaving the EU are obviously steps in the direction, and in fact I can't believe we've gone so far in such a short time, but it might all come to nothing due to state of the Labour Party.

Thanks a bundle Blair.

disconnect, but its interesting, this ref was advisory, how do they actually pla in getting it thru parliament?

I accept the democratic decision, so what's the plan?

There wasn't a plan - the leave campaign was made up of several voices and parties at least one of which has no MPs and isn't an a position to devise or deliver the process. They all wanted to leave for their own reasons, not the same reasons, and not necessarily the same reasons as those who voted to leave. The mechanism by which the UK leaves wasn't even a talking point until yesterday. So just over half of the electorate have instigated some sort of change but only a fraction of those are likely to see an outcome to all this that they feel that they've mandated.

Compared to something like the scottish referendum where the 'Yes' campaign had a 600 page document outlining their plans the leave campaign didn't really seem have anything other than two phrases painted on the side of a bus - both of which seem to have been mistakes.

so what's the plan?

My wife made me take back her birthday present and get a refund due to Brexit. Her job is at risk medium term (motor trade) as they expect car sales to tank in the UK now...

The plan? The narcissists will try to gather as much support as they can for their leadership bids.

Oh, that plan.....sorry 🙂

I am beginning to suspect there are people with a very clear strategy for dealing with Brexit and that's the rest of the EU.

The plan? The narcissists will try to gather as much support as they can for their leadership bids.

Would you really want to be in charge, you're either going to get a 'popular deal' and be crucified by the markets and have to back track, or get a pragmatic compromise (freedom of movement, full Schengen etc) and be crucified by the racist electorate who voted out in the first place.

It's a lose lose role.

Build a wall at the Scottish/English border. Build a wall around London. Scotland/NI/London carry on as if nothing happened. Remainers from E&W have 3months to decide whether or not to move, the rest can gtf!

I think the plan is to expect chaos.

Not necessarily a bad thing because that also means opportunities.

If your business needs to export get on a plane to other potential markets and establish new relationships right now.

Certainly I would not be employing any staff I couldn't displace immediately if necessary. Also at any sign of a cashflow hit, I would respond immediately instead of trying to ride it out. And I would work at clearing debt especially overdrafts.

If you can expand do it in Ireland (or possibly Scotland) to retain access to EU markets.

The thing is: IF everything works out well, the leave voters will crow about how much good they did for the country. In actual fact, IF everything turns out great, it will be down to shear, blind luck, and the skill of officials who most likely voted to remain.

@mikey74. That is the most succinct analysis of the whole debate.

And yes, if we get out of this hole it will be down to a euro friendly civil service.

Out of interest do you know how many of those have sufficient expertise as trade negotiators to muddle through 120+ new deals?

12 or so...