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Any idea which races they won't show? If it is the ones on late into the night then i've no problem with it. This year's coverage has been spoilt by the new commentary team so i hope they get bought by Sky.
I guess this is a result of the new licence fee settlement, e.g. the govt saying there will be no increase in the fee and they need to cut lots of things to save money.
If it is the ones on late into the night then i've no problem with it.
There aren't any that race late into the night in the UK - unless you call 5pm 'late into the night'. One or two earlier starts (like the Chinese GP) that's all.
Within ten years there will be no sporting event of any consequence at all on terrestrial telly. Guaranteed!
Do you think that right now, for example, the suits at the Lawn Tennis Association are not looking jealously at the what Sky have just paid for F1, and thinking what huge salaries they could pay themselves if they took Murdochs blank cheque in return for the Wimbledon TV rights?
if they got rid of the tennis, boat race, marathon and football (anything i dont watch) could we have more f1 coverage?
same with all tv shows apart from science, nature and interesting documentaries.
Isn't Wimbledon one of the protected events? i.e. it has to remain on terrestrial.
Same as boat race, world cup and grand national?
No! You can have Crown Green Bowling though
The thing that always gets me about this sort of thing is the way the bbc (for example) try to talk as if it's fantastic news. There's a statement from someone at bbc sport along the lines of ' it's great that we've signed this brilliant new agreement to provide excellent coverage' which is clearly a load of arse, whereas if they'd said 'yeah, it's not great, but it was really expensive, so it was this or nothing - at least this way we get some of the more well known races, it'll have to do' then people would probably be a bit more understanding. It's like banks closing branches or reducing opening times and saying it's 'to provide a better service to all our customers' - no it isn't, it's because it obviously didn't make commercial sense to run your businesses like that, which is fine but don't be so bloomin' patronising about it.
Are you aware who's side the present government are on grantus? They want to scrap all media regulation. How long do you think 'protected' sporting events will last? They'll just say that 'protecting sporting events is anti-competitve and illegal under EU competition law blah blah blah
Then the whole lot gets sold to Sky
..so windsurfing/kitesurfing/MTB are not niche sports then??I would much prefer the BBC used my fee to promote healthy lifestyle participation events than a niche sport like F1.
good idea there is thousands every weekend compeating in grassroutes motorsport.. Rallying , circuit racing, sprints , hillclimbs, dirt and tarmac ovals, MX, enduro, road racing, trails....make some good telly that lot...If, if the BBC wants to promote sports that "people" take part in then for sure we have a mass of participation events happening all over the country on a weekend, most weekends in fact
Allrighty I'm wrong (erm). Seriously Silverstone got 250,000 people in it on the Sunday to watch it?.. really..? well I'll be blowed.
You can still go and watch it there though yeah, I mean there will still be an F1 event at Silverstone but it might mean you go along and queue up to get in and watch it..
Fine by me, you could avoid the queues by cycling there.
Dog and Duck Darts with "Fat Phil" and "Dangerous Doris" sounds great.. Hook up a handy cam and air it primetime.
I must admit one thing, if it wasn't for the engineering skills we have in this old country then F1 would probably not exsist, for that reason I really do hope the sport carries on. And I do have a mate who provides one off carbon bits to the Williams team, I hope he continues to do so.
Tell me, have they tried biofuels yet?
I absolutely [s]love [/s]have no interest in F1, but there is absolutely no way I'm going to line the pockets of **** murdock in order to watch it.
and what Binners said
How much per year must it cost the BBC to show including travelling etc when only about 4-5 million watch it ? It is not universally popular even if it is on here.
Dog and Duck Darts with "Fat Phil" and "Dangerous Doris" sounds great.. Hook up a handy cam and air it primetime.
Nah too much Darts on TV already, I want coits with Phil the Pipe and Mike 'the hammer' Johnson.
What's the betting that the BBC will get Spain, Spain, Abu dhabi, Bahrain, Hungary, Singapore, Turkey, China, India and Malaysia, while sky get Monaco, Montreal, Spa, Monza, Silverstone, Australia, Nurburgring, Brazil, Japan and Korea...
I won't be paying Murdoch et al an extra penny for it either.
It does also irk me that the BBC will no doubt manage to fill the vacant slots with darts, bowls and more snooker.
Seriously Silverstone got 250,000 people in it on the Sunday to watch it?.
No that was Saturday and Sunday combined, there were even more if you include the practice days
I'm going to agree with Binners again, there is a possibility that before long all sports will disappear, as each one becomes the popular one they will charge more & then fall off the cliff.
The upside is that there will be more soap operas & reality tv programs as they are cheaper to produce, so I will be able to get away without watching tv & will have more time to do other stuff.
I am not sure I could get into watching local sports on tv, I think it is necessary to have people or teams to follow over a period of time to get long term fans, anyway if they were local I would prefer to stand in a field and watch them
Tell me, have they tried biofuels yet?
Not in F1 but I believe they have in the Le Mans 24hr
Edit - yep - there you go. http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/06/audi-bringing-b/
One less crap thing to watch on the BBC then, IMO !
Brundle on twitter - BBC/Sky/F1 2012+. Found out last night, no idea how it will work yet I'm out of contract, will calmly work through options Not impressed
F1 Teams also seeking details from Bernie - I'd be amazed if this was all done behind closed doors without any consultation with teams, sponsors etc.
Gutted, but will never subscribe to the Murdoch empire.
One less crap thing to watch on the BBC then, IMO !
Wonder what they'll fill the gap with? Eastenders omnibus probably
Be sure about one thing, the beeb are taking something away, they won't be replacing it with anything new
Wonder what they'll fill the gap with?
based on the current schedule, they are aiming to make the BBC into a 24hr "selling old crap in auctions" channel.
One less crap thing to watch on the BBC then, IMO !
What I should have really said was...
One less thing to watch on the crap BBC! 😉 The quality of the stuff they show these days is shocking!
Anyone who voted for the Tories shouldn't really be complaining about this.
Count it as a blessing and go for a bike ride instead of watching it on a Sunday morning.
Junkyard
How much per year must it cost the BBC to show including travelling etc when only about 4-5 million watch it ? It is not universally popular even if it is on here.
You say 4-5 million like it is a small number. If you get more than 4m you're in the top 40 most watched shows in a week, and the top 20 is almost exclusively Corrie, Eastenders and Emmerdale. The British Grand Prix had 4.89m viewers (on a Sunday lunchtime!!) with 42% share of the total TV audience, putting it at 25th place for the week.
There are far more interesting things to be doing than watching crappy old tv anyway...get out and ride.........the sun is shining...well almost!
Yo,
yep, waking up to this this morning was not good. I hate sky so much and dont want to pay for a whole channel just to watch one good sport on there!
I have set up an fb group to encourage people to boycott the sky subscription and to discuss their thoughts. Please join here and lets hit murdoch where it hurts.... his wallet!
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f1 on sky[/url]
Cheers
Rob
You say 4-5 million like it is a small number.
that is because i though it was till you whacked me with those inconvenient facts whilst making a relevant point 😳
The teams don't seem to mind loosing thousands of viewers who can't afford the £50 a month for Sky...
Williams chairman Adam Parr said what teams lose in widespread television viewing figures could be gained in an increased revenue from Sky
Here you go Junkyard - [url= http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyTopProgrammesOverview?_s=4 ]BARB viewing figures[/url]
what prove me wrong then attempt to enlighten me 😯 that is not the STW way can we not just have as spat instead?
That is a lot [miles really] smaller than what I would have thought for viewing figures.
Cheers
I would rather F1 had its own channel and I'll pay for that if it ain't stupid money.
I hate sky and the freak that runs it!
You say 4-5 million like it is a small number.
As you've shown it ranks well, you still need to factor the cost in though. As this shows what value it really has.
Once you've done this what is the cost per viewer per hour?
You do have to wonder at some of the costs they incur
[b][i] The public spending watchdog singled out the BBC’s construction of a £250,000 studio in Vienna for the Euro 2008 football championships because the one allocated did not have a backdrop of the city skyline.[/i][/b]
on the up side there's more than one way to skin a cat! I'll miss the beeb coverage, but I'm sure in this digital age I'll figure a way of watching it!
I managed to watch the bbciplayer in NZ so sure there will be ways of doing it. Would rather just enjoy it on the beeb, but if Murdoch the butt hole of the planet wants the air we breath I guess it'll have to be this way!
I have literally got all my fingers and toes crossed that all the poor people out there with cancer can somehow figure out a way of passing it all to that man! Rid the world of cancer and rid the world of him! Amen!
Again, Murdoch doesn't own BSkyB
my comment still stands 😉
As you've shown it ranks well, you still need to factor the cost in though. As this shows what value it really has.Once you've done this what is the cost per viewer per hour?
Supposedly it costs the BBC £40m a year under the current deal. We don't know what the extra costs are so let's ignore them. I can't be arsed to go through my back issues of Broadcast to find the figures, but let's assume F1 on the BBC gets an average audience of 3m for the race and 1m for qualifying.
4m x 19 = 76 million viewers @ £40m a year that is 50p per viewer (with the caveats above, online viewers and ignoring income from selling commentary.
50p per viewer is pretty meaningless, however, without anything to compare it to.
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According to Autosport from the team directors aren't happy about this move and are consulting the Concorde agreement.
Brundle is out of contract from the end of 2012.
well Rupert Murdoch got Cameron in power of course he expects his payment
[b]bskyb profits massively up today[/b]
I'm glad i never pay a penny to his tv or his papers , sadly a lot of people do
You know that their profits are DOWN today right? By 15%... Down, as in, the opposite of up...
news corporation own a 39.1 % controlling stake though.
Murdoch was CEO then his son.
They may not own it but he is the boss
I am sure he has good lawyers and complies with all that is asked but he does run it even if he does not own it outright
50p per viewer is pretty meaningless, however, without anything to compare it to
I can help out there,
Per viewer hour '9.7p for Casualty’ and '3.5p for EastEnders’.
As you said there are lots of other costs to factor in but I would be interested to know how it compares.
news corporation own a 39.1 % controlling stake though
and the Murdoch's only have a ~12% stake in News Corp [although all voting]
phil.w - Member
I can help out there,
Per viewer hour '9.7p for Casualty’ and '3.5p for EastEnders’.As you said there are lots of other costs to factor in but I would be interested to know how it compares.
Interesting. Where did you find those? And are there any figures for sport rights?
different slant on the figures... Casualty is on for what, an hour? F1 has hours of viewingness per race weekend, so, on a per hour of tv basis, I wonder how it compares?
Eastenders et al are crap and should be disregarded 🙂
Whilst corporately/legally it could look on paper that he does not own or control it he is effectively the boss - he is the CEO of News International for example and answer to whom exactly? is it the chairman* ?It is a mute point that could be argued either way but does Murdoch strike you as the kind of person who would give away his power within his own empire?
He is the chairman as well
In August 2005 the Murdoch family owned only about 29% of the company. However, nearly all of these shares were voting shares, and Rupert Murdoch retained effective control of the company.
The stw Geeks now need price per viewer per hour...good luck
Seems quite cheap when viewed that way tbh
CaptJon - Boring morning at work so decided to do some of my own research, found the figures [url= http://ukzambians.co.uk/culture/?p=9433 ]here.[/url] Also that the BBC's sporting budget is £300m a year so that £40 odd million it gives Bernie is quite a large portion.
As yet I'm still undecided if I think it's money well spent or not. Mostly as I can't find the true cost of the F1 to the BBC.
different slant on the figures... Casualty is on for what, an hour? F1 has hours of viewingness per race weekend, so, on a per hour of tv basis, I wonder how it compares?Eastenders et al are crap and should be disregarded
Thats one of the biggest problems with F1, qualifying, the race and 10 mins before and after the race is all that's required.
Thing is, they'll still be employing [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/bbc_f1_team/default.stm ]This Lot[/url] + all the support staff, so the cost of reduced coverage is probably still very high.
I find it very sad but just hope they leave Moto GP alone.
Good link, phil.w, thanks. I'm not surprised 'enders is so low per viewer as it is relatively cheap to make soaps once they are established (economies of scale etc) and it gets silly viewing figures. £300k and hour is less than half the cost of an hour of (proper) original drama which is about £750k ish.
Good. F1 has become a snore. There are many cheaper and more interesting motorsports and no reason why the beeb should bend over and take it just because Bernie wants them to.
F1 has tended to look east in developing in recent years. The views of 4 or 5 million Brit viewers may not be that important to Bernie.
£1.50 per viewer reducing to 75 p with this deal on BBC news
apparently the Olympics coverage is also to blame
The views of 4 or 5 million Brit viewers may not be that important to Bernie.
Wasn't he seriously considering letting the British GP drop from the calander a few years back, unless his Dr Evil style demands were met? As fans of any sport, you're nowt more than a cash cow for the powers that run it. You're not generating enough income I'm afraid, you F1 fans. So your opinions count for nothing.
Its just going the same way as football.
There is a limit to this. A lot of my mates have been season ticket holders at Old Trafford for years. Since the Glazers took over, they've all now given them up. Sick of being milked for every penny. Bernie, in conjunction with Rupe will continue to do the same until people start voting with their feet.
Good. F1 has become a snore.
I assume you haven't watched it this season then?
I'm not sure we've heard the last of this - apparently [url= http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/ecclestone-to-meet-teams-this-afternoon-over-sky-f1-deal/ ]Ecclestone is meeting the teams this afternoon[/url] to discuss the news. I'm wondering if we might see teams arguing for a delayed 'as live' transmission of the races or similar.
Also, further to binners' point about this deal being driven by the greed of Mr E, [url= http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/a-look-at-the-bbcsky-deal/ ]this blog[/url] is suggesting that the deal may have been driven by the BBC trying to offload the sport while still in contract (to the end of 2013). So while it's Bernie's commercial decisions that set the price the BBC paid for the rights, they haven't necessarily been outbid by $ky for the current deal.
And according to Bernie (via Martin Whitmarsh) [url= http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93494 ]"The BBC will show every grand prix in full, half of them live and half of them deferred, so free-to-air is available to everyone."[/url]..."Bernie assured me, and I asked him several times, the deferred coverage will not be highlights, it will be a full race."
Not many happy folk on the BBC blog comments either...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/2011/07/f1_coverage_to_be_shared_betwe.html
If thats the case thepurst then it might not be too bad, but to be honest in another few years the BBC will ditch it and the whole lot will be on Sky, so we are defering the inevitable.
Small glimer of hope mind thanks. 🙂
BTW, if anyone's properly disappointed about this then rather than bicker on here, email someone who can make a difference.
info@teamsassociation.org is the address for FOTA, the Formula One Team's Association. Tell them what you think.
I'm fine with a differed full race, I tend to record most of them for Sunday evening viewing anyway
i wonder if murdoch ever mentioned this to dave on one of his many unminuted meetings at no.10
Nah he was to busy telling dave what to do next.
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Is this not the same debate that happened when the BBC lost the rights to F1 to ITV all those year ago?
No, it's completely different.
Over 2100 comments on the bbc blog now
?"We will give F1 the full Sky Sports treatment with a commitment to each race never seen before on UK television"
- so that will be moronic commentators and adverts every 5 minutes then?
Although no longer in the UK, it's the BBC's feed we get here in Oz. Suspect Murdoch will swipe it back to FoxTel now 🙁
They said on the BBC news that the BBC had a 5 year deal with F1 and they [s]re-negotiated it to save money[/s] gave it away to part of the Murdock empire.
TheFunkyMonkey - Member
No, it's completely different.Over 2100 comments on the bbc blog now
4,200 + now. Feel sorry for the poor sod moderating that lot. 🙂
M-F
The odd bit actually. Still tedious. LH has attempted to improve it... In money per viewer terms, and in interesting racing move per lap terms it remains pants.
i don't understand why they think having half the races is a good idea, it's like sharing alternate halfs of world cup matches with sky. If you don't have sky you won't bother watching it so you might as well not broadcast is at all.
They have all the races, its just that half of them will be "extended highlights"
The F1 generates very little extra revenue The race footage is whats costing the money, commentary is sold on but won't make a massive amount.
FWIW I think its a shambles but cuts had to be made, Salfords not paying for itself....
I am sooo pi$$ed off about this. I hate Sky and I hated F1 when it was ITV. The racing was bad enough but the coverage and commentary was just dire.
One hope is that Martin Brundle will sod off to Sky.
The F1 really need to get a grip. Stupid rules that make it more like a Playstation game - i mean WTF is all this DRM zone crap about. Let the drivers decide when to run low drag and stop messing with stuff and rule changes right before an event - sod off FIA!
Hopefully the main daytime races will be on BBC.
Oh and I see the teams are not happy as this could seriously hurt UK viewing figures which means they are less valuable to sponsors.
Rich man's sport now viewable in full only by those in a position of Globally relative affluence.
As for Footy, I can watch live games for free down my local park. 🙂 Even take part. How much is a ticket to a decent enclosure/stand at Silverstone? And how often would you get the chance to participate yourself?
F1 needs telly to survive, unlike Footy. Well see what a good decision this was of Bernie's in a few years.
Right for the Beeb to cut it though, simply to expensive and greedy a 'sport'.
They could cut Golf too, to save money. I wouldn't mind.
Bring back decent WRC footage.
What a bloody joke! No point in paying a license fee these days with all the stuff the bbc is giving away to other companies.
All part of the deal between Murdoch and Cameron to cripple the BBC. Sky has completely balls-ed up football in this country.
20 weekends back a year, and 9 this year isn't too bad, with this season being OK at best, stopped watching the practice yesterday morning, have zero interst in it anymore.
Won't be the end of the World though really, will it?
I'd happily swap F1 for a season of Touring Cars and the Bathurst 500 in Oz. Touring cars are, and always have been, [i]much[/i] more exciting than F1.
Rather watch German DTM than our crappy touring cars.
More news on the BBC F1 deal - seems the latest news is that all races will be shown in full via the red button about 3hrs after they've finished. That works for me! 😀
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/sep/02/bbc-reruns-sky-formula-one
Why didn't the BBC partner with C4?
Personally I'm getting fed up of paying the tv licence for F1 and MOTD.
I'd rather use the money to pay for sky or cable.
Race thats 3 hrs late? Would you settle for a dinner 3 hours late?
BBC is $hit.
Would you settle for a dinner 3 hours late?
Yea, but I'd call it tea. Can't remember a race that was 3 hours late, the end of the Canadian GP was late, but then how often does that happen?
BBC is $hit
And the alternatives are?