[Closed] So the beeb lose another sport!!

Actually it sounds like sky get all the f1 and the beeb half. Money talks as usual!!

absolutely rubbish even though the bbc director of sport is delighted that the bbc will retain F1, means I will only get to see half the races live and the rest as highlights due to the cost savings the bbc have to make

What a bloody joke! No point in paying a license fee these days with all the stuff the bbc is giving away to other companies.

Car racing? I thought you meant a sport.

Imagine if they did it with football or tennis,

'wow viewers that's the first half of the world cup final over, the game is delicately balanced, tune in tonight at 12.30am for extended highlights to find out what happens in the second half.'

Still live races on the BBC website.

billybob - Member
Imagine if they did it with football

If only......! 😉

good, lets replace it with cycling on the telly - mountain biking, road biking, national track championships etc

Just seen this - pointless deal from the BBC for anyone who's an F1 fan, and it's not going to attract any more fans to the sport either. Do I feel like paying $ky to watch adverts interspersed with a bit of F1... do I hell. Will I be looking for a dodgy foreign live streaming service - yep.

EDIT - richmars, where does it say that it'll be live on their website?

Looking forward to ad breaks at key moments 😐

Well it costs them millions with with no real return so saves the BBC a fortune to let it go.

Didn't see the website thing either.

It'll be exiting to [s]watch[/s] listen to all the attempted overtaking manouveres on radio 5 though. 😥

Drac, what returns do they get from showing any televised sport though?

well Rupert Murdoch got Cameron in power of course he expects his payment
bskyb profits massively up today
I'm glad i never pay a penny to his tv or his papers , sadly a lot of people do

Drac, what returns do they get from showing any televised sport though?

Indeed. You could argue the same about News and the BBC. It's about providing a service primarily, not returning a profit.

Pretty sure that RTL Germany still broadcast in the clear on the old Astra [Sky] satellite at 19E - I'll check today

They show it live so you could simply use an old Sky dish or similar and listen to the R5 commentary [I do that now anyway], as a bonus, it'll also give you Eurosport in English

I'm a huge F1 fan, and this has probably put a nail in the coffin for me following f1 I'm afraid...

Hahaha F1, it's a bit 3rd world sport these days isn't it?

Why not put it on BBC3 say 9pm after the watershed, the day after the race itself.

I'm happy enough to pay the license fee for BBC4 alone.

[i]richmars - Member

Still live races on the BBC website. [/i]

Nope
From the BBC website

[i]Races screened by the BBC will be live on the BBC Sport website for UK users. [/i]

May as well stopping watching now. Probably watch the Monaco Grand Prix as a one off event in the future.

Drac, what returns do they get from showing any televised sport though?

They can sell some footage of other sports but they can't sell footage of F1 it's Bernie's.

Indeed. You could argue the same about News and the BBC. It's about providing a service primarily, not returning a profit.

Indeed you can as they sell that footage too so see some return.

total dog sh$t

the beeb sell their commentary all over the world Drac...

Still I guess by not paying Bernie and saving on Jake's easyjet fares they can carry on paying for loads of staff to watch the olympics that no-one could get tickets to and sending hundreds of people to lots of music festivals will all be fine.

Guess I'll just enjoy this season then forget about it in future.

the beeb sell their commentary all over the world Drac..

They sell the unique VT too

how disappointing, sunday in the consequence household means waking up and watching a film whilst mrsconsequence sleeps in, getting fuelled up and going for a bike ride with friends then returning home to relax together and watch the f1 with a big meal cooking in the kitchen.

the beeb sell their commentary all over the world Drac..

Not the footage then?

The chain'll come off if you keep back peddling 🙂

no, cos thats sold by F1 - selling the commentary still means some return for the beeb though, doesn't it.

60 million was far too much to be paying for that sport, it was out of balance with spending on other areas and sports. I think its a poor decision by Berni, and will damage the popularity of the sport in the UK, but its not a bad decision by the beeb to reduce its spending on it.

Bring the darts back, I miss Jocky Wilson.

The chain'll come off if you keep back peddling

Where am I doing that? My original statement still stands, they paid a fortune for the no real income as they can't sell the footage.

Where am I doing that? My original statement still stands, they paid a fortune for the no real income as they can't sell the footage.

They can sell some footage of other sports but they can't sell footage of F1 it's Bernie's.

Which ones?

Dammit, my friends and I were only commenting on how good the F1 is on the BBC and how ITV ruined it.. If it's available on the BBC website then great, otherwise I won't be watching it anymore and I love my F1 !

Which ones?

Good question to which the answer if I'll struggle with but isn't some atheletics covered by the beeb, so when likes of ITV use their footage they have to pay them. Of course on that part I could be a mile out but I bet they're not paying anyway near what they had to for F1.

To be fair to the BBC (and I'm certainly not defending the evil Murdoch empire here) they're damned if they do, damned if they don't

If they outbid Sky - cue 'Outraged of Tumbridge Wells' screaming about 'my license fee going to pay for men driving cars around! There should be more episodes of Gardeners Question Time and Songs of Praise.

And if they don't outbid them, well.... read all the above

The problem here isn't the BBC. The problem is the monumental and limitless greed of the organisations that run sport. Their woefully short-sighted attitude means they sell to the highest bidder every single time. With no other consideration. Even if it ultimately means less people will enjoy their sport and its standing will be diminished.

And I'm afraid no-one can compete with the deep pockets of the evil empire. Depressing really

so the f1 on sky... is it going to be on one of the normal basic sky channels that everyone will get or only shown on a sports channel you have to pay extra for?

It'll be exiting to watch listen to all the attempted overtaking manouveres on radio 5 though.

Or they could condense all the overtaking manoeuvres into a clip to show between the news and the weather, and the rest of the time broadcast "vroom vroom" noises on the radio. Big money saving, and no loss of content.

Personally, I'm delighted and wish they'd drop it altogether, along with getting it off 5live too. However, I'm disappointed for all the F1 fans here who seem to enjoy it so much. You just know Sky will be shut at it.

Oh, and binners +1. Remember what happened when the RFU tried it?

Imagine if they did it with football

I live in hope ...

The chain'll come off if you keep back peddling

🙂

I am still smarting from someone who told me "if you could pedal forward as fast as you pedal backward, you'd be Lance Armstrong"

Nice one.

Fingers crossed that Sky don't start offering big money to Brundle et al.

i'm furious. Even FOTA were saying they'd prefer it with free-to-air broadcasters. How the bbc can lose this, and keep it's other less wideranging services beggars belief.

I absolutely love F1, but there is absolutely no way I'm going to line the pockets of ****ing murdock in order to watch it.

How the bbc can lose this, and keep it's other less wideranging services beggars belief.

Because it costs too much and others enjoy the programmes you don't. Yes it's a shame for the fans that they will not get the coverage they once did but that happened with Premiership Football too yet millions still watch it on Sky.

so the f1 on sky... is it going to be on one of the normal basic sky channels that everyone will get or only shown on a sports channel you have to pay extra for?

It'll most likely be on a subscription package channel with added PPV fees, then they can charge higher prices for the more popular venues &/or use it as part of a 'sign up deal' for new customers.

The one-eyed nature of some of the comments isn't garnering much sympathy. I wish they'd get more football back.

well..... that's disappointing, one of my best mates birthdays today and he's a HUGE F1 fan, im going to need to source a lot of boobs to cheer him up today.

How huge is he Philly?

There is hope for fans yet as the new deal may infringe upon the teams’ contract with Bernie Ecclestone.

Whitmarsh said last month: “Our current contracts require that F1 remain on free-to-air and the teams, through FOTA, are clearly going to safeguard their business interests and the interests of the fans in this regard.”

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/07/29/keeping-f1-freetoair/

Phil, it's spelt 'sauce' not ' source'.

I absolutely love F1, but there is absolutely no way I'm going to line the pockets of **** murdock in order to watch it.

so another award winning production is hacked, so that quality limited stations like bbc alba can run? The beeb has a reputation for quality, but if they continually surrender to murdoch's empire then soon there won't be anything greater than Eastenders, Bargain Hunt and Doctors on our screens.

For those who can't afford sky payments, and F1 is the only thing on TV i watch nowardays. Pfft

The Death of F1 for me!

It is far too much money and you sort of wonder why the beeb feel the need to send separate crews out to cover the radio and TV coverage, I'm fairly sure they could do a bit of consolidation there

IIRC the production costs for each GP averaged out at around £700K

i'm to upset to speel proparly TGA, to dnam uspet!!

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bdab - Member
I absolutely love F1, but there is absolutely no way I'm going to line the pockets of **** murdock in order to watch it.

+1

So we'll have to pay to watch Sky? Err no thanks.

Plus, will BBC get to show the INTERESTING races or the processions?

Oh FFS, they ARE NOT SURRENDERING TO MURDOCH.

BSkyB isn't a Murdoch empire BTW, he controls slightly less than 40% of it and the way things have gone recently, it won't get any bigger any time soon

Shit news for all F1 fans.

It was crap on ITV, it will be crap on Sky

Money talks innit?

Loving the gnashing and tortured wailing on this. 😆 Football fans have had to either pay Sky or make do with R5L and MOTD for years now. Grow a set and MTFU, it's not the end of the world.

Thing is I can't see sky broadcasting 1 hour 45 minutes (plus more at times) without an ad break and ITV proved that didn't work.

The highlights might be fine for some but I like watching the whole thing not someone else's idea of the best bits.

Blame Ecclestone not BBC/Sky

Still live races on the BBC website.

[i]Races screened by the BBC will be live on the BBC Sport website for UK users.[/i]

Well the BBC has been dumbing down for years and years. Surely you've noticed that, sure you have. It started with Eastenders and fell from there.

F1's niche, simple. If you want niche then pay for it. It really is just a bunch of carbon droning around and around. The only decent event they hold is Monaco where some driver skill is involved. F1's become a Hire Car thrash around tarmac..

I say if it frees up money for other sports the BBC want to air then WHOOOP!! bring that on pwleeease.

Indeed you can as they sell that footage too so see some return.

Like I said, it's about providing a service primarily, not returning a profit.

I thought Monaco was the one where almost no overtaking at all. Seems that "overtaking" makes F1 fans have mini-orgasms. I say YAY...more money to spread out and show diverse sports. And maybe some cash to rescue the Asian Network.

F1's niche, simple. If you want niche then pay for it. It really is just a bunch of carbon droning around and around. The only decent event they hold is Monaco where some driver skill is involved. F1's become a Hire Car thrash around tarmac..

I say if it frees up money for other sports the BBC want to air then WHOOOP!! bring that on pwleeease.

And this money saved from showing a 'niche' sport - what other 'niche' sport can they spend the money on instead?

AR5E & AR5E again, have been a fan for as many years as I have been able to follow it, probably 35 years, my kids are too. ITV and the ads was a pain, this season & this commentary team (even Eddie to some extend) have been at least as good as any & now I am stuffed.

Can I go to the Grand Prix? Nope massively expensive, do I want sky sports? Not really I watch too much tv anyway and don't want the temptation of all the extra stuff to get hooked on. If its pay to view on top of normal sky sports then it is certainly a no.

I don't blame the Beeb, the cost is huge, I do blame the greed of the F1 machine, Bernie is hugely rich, his companies make massive money, will they make more with less viewers paying more? They seem to think so, personally I would prefer making smaller amounts off more.

Whinge over, back to listening to Ant & Crofty on the web

FFS!!! Why on earth is this the BBCs fault. I refer the right honourable gentleman to my earlier answer

The problem here isn't the BBC. The problem is the monumental and limitless greed of the organisations that run sport. In this case Bernie Eccleston. Their woefully short-sighted attitude means they sell to the highest bidder every single time. With no other consideration.

The BBC can't compete. Full stop! Unless you want your license fee to resemble.... oh, I don't know.... let me pluck a figure from the air.... A full Sky Sports subscription!

The only decent event they hold is Monaco where some driver skill is involved

If you think there is no skill involved in driving an F1 car on any circuit at all, you're seriously misinformed

If it was that easy why don't they just get anyone to drive them, even mega tight arses like Eddie Jordan had to shell out millions to get the best drivers he could. If he could have got away with using a kid on minimum wage, he would

The BBC cannot win - there has been loads of complaints from outraged of tunbridge wells about the cost of screening F1.

Binners & TJ +1

there's a first 🙂

It's a big lump of money and hard to justify for certain

However, it brings in more viewers than the 10 o'clock or 6 o'clock news so maybe that could go first? 🙂

There are plenty of other sports the BBC could, but choose not to, air.

Local sports, local people taking part, good start. For instance what about the MTB stuff that bearly gets airtime? What about sticking a camera at the top of Glentress and watching fatties fall down hills on bikes (that was a joke BTW) but they could do that couldn't they?

For sure there is a market in niche airtime sports. Go along to any windsurfing/kitesurfing shop in the UK and you will find shelves FULL of DVD's, go along to any proper MTB shop and you'll find DVD's of fatblokes hoooning down Glentress (joke again)

If, if the BBC wants to promote sports that "people" take part in then for sure we have a mass of participation events happening all over the country on a weekend, most weekends in fact.

I would much prefer the BBC used my fee to promote healthy lifestyle participation events than a niche sport like F1.

I'm sorry but I do, and I've sympathy for all F1 fans on here too, but you pays yer money and you takes yer choice.

Local sports, local people taking part, good start

Ah yes the coites down at The Dog and Duck.

Damned shame, the wheels will come off the commercial side of F1 when viewing figures drop to the exent that on car and trackside advertising money drops off a cliff. The teams won't get money and Bernie will also see a drop in his trackside income.

A lot of the new circuits are subsidised by the respective governments of those countries in order to promote themselves - if audience figures drop and no one sees it, why will those govt's continue to stump up such huge fees to host the events. That's why I thought that ree to air was a priority, obviously not now....

Is it shown free down under, anyone know?

For sure there is a market in niche airtime sports

Over a quarter of a million people attended the GP at Silverstone this year, that is not a niche sport
Whether you're taking part or shelling out hundreds to get in and watch is irrelevant

am i the only one sitting here thinking 'but how is the F1 a niche sport?' its huge all over the world.

watching the devonshire darts championship, the manchester canals fishing finals or the kettering kite flying cup doesnt have anywhere near the appeal to me.