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Apologies for looong post.
Just tootling up the A38 to birmingham on the inside lane, lorry pulls on so I check, indicate, then move out, Mr mini in the outside lane was no where near or moving quickly at this point but is now on full beam, flash flash flash and right up my arse! Now a couple of things occurred and a couple of things were present, the car is black box monitored so im being proper careful, the car has a green P on the boot, I'm driving but it's for the daughters purpose when she's in charge, I suppose it should be took off when I'm driving but it wasnt, my mistake, my next move was probably not ideal either, I pointed to the lorry now fully on the inside lane and gave the dude the finger. More flashing, in fact full beam and now right up my arse, he could probably see how the green P was attached. I get past the lorry, indicate and pull straight in. Matey then holds back accelerates like **** and cuts in and across us, I'm talking a rizla gap here, I saw it coming and dabbed the brakes, I reckon if I hadn't we've had had his rear quarter and spun him, he then really goes for it and slams on, I mean slams on, so that the emergency flashy brake lights trigger, I'm now thinking lorry through the back window. I ease right off, lorry can obviously see the idiot over us and eases off and he does it again.
This is a dual carriageway and I now want to kill him but let it go as I have to stick to black box limits. A bit more ****ing about with swerving etc and he gets bored of doing 68 mph and ****s off in to the ether.
It's the first time I've had proper dangerous road rage or whatever you want to call it.
So what next, dash cam (again fitted for daughters purpose) was on and i hope it has recorded.
Suck it up and be thankful we didn't crash, or send it somewhere? With that cut in it really made me think he wasn't quite aware of what he was doing and will cause an accident.
If you have a dash cam report to the police
Contact the haulier if you can remember who they are.
Ask to speak to their ops or transport manager Commend the driver and ask for their footage as it'll no doubt have at least one camera on board
Police report with dashcam footage as evidence.
If it was as described they should be keen to follow it up for an easy win?
And then call the police
shame about the black box.... he could have learned a valuable lesson otherwise
That's what the dashcam is for.
Will the police do anything? I don't want to do it tonight as we are now as a family out at a gig (well hotel at the minute waiting for the girls hence me typing away) and I don't want to dwell on it. Happy to report in the morning, also want to see if the footage has recorded, I didn't even get his plate as I was that shocked!
Genuinely, and I'm not over dramatising here, could not have been closer.
Police. Do us all a favour and help get the person off the road.
Probably - they have a reg and evidence. It an easy conviction for dangerous driving and a ban so will look good for statistics. I had someone force me off the road and brake check me on the bike - he got a 12 month ban and nice fine.
Will the police do anything?
Not if you don't report it. 🙂 Get it logged, maybe they will, maybe they won't - hope they do, and hope matey gets a knock on the door sharpish. Put it out of your mind now and enjoy the gig. 🙂
I’d report it to the police can’t believe no one has mentioned it.
Would a dash cam have recorded you giving him the finger? 😉
You need a dashcam to take it further but don’t rise to these idiots and next time don’t give them the finger. You made a bad situation much worse.
Post it on youtube / facebook - seems to be what everyone else with a dashcam does.
Dashcam will have the Haulier Logo recorded so you need to contact them asap
Reveiw the footage if its clear and obvious how bad this prat was driving then Police
However , dont hold your breath it might not go any further as no one was injured or crashed but if this dick is known to the police already they may well follow it through
TJ & duncancallum ^^^ have it.
Police - with or without dashcam footage.
Haulier, if you got name; if you did, tell them you will be giving their contact details to police.
Call da Fedz
Gat da Trukist off da roed...
Actually good call with the hauler as many of them also have dash cams.
Post it on youtube so we can slag him off, then report it to the police.
Sounds like a right throbber. So desperate to get past, yet has time to waste pissing around with brake tests.
Report it to the police.
Remember whenever you umm and ahh over this kind of thing you might be person number 15 who has been in this situation with the same driver, so thus could be the 15th report about the same guy or the first if nobody else bothered either, this is why you should always report it.
Get a dash cam.
and some reading glasses?
You should've driven alongside fhe truck for as long as possible. I did it driving alongside a tractor as we went through the Dartford Tunnel many years ago. The guy behind got so worked up he drove through the barrier without paying. We were squaring up to one another when the tunnel police turned up en masse and took him to one side. I paid my 25p (it was a long time ago) flipped him a V sign and drove off.
A lot of police forces have online submission systems for dashcam footage. I submitted some evidence to Cheshire a few months back and was asked to fill out a witness statement so they could fine or prosecute the bell end.
Pull the card or power from your cam before you get a chance to find the footage as it will circular record over it unless a protected file.
P plates should have been an additional reason for the bloke not to break rule 1.
P plates should have been an additional reason for the bloke not to break rule 1.
Some people seem to see 'P' and 'L' plates as some sort of additional provocation to their fragile egos. Usually the type who tailgate and try to intimidate me when I'm driving a tiny hatchback, but not in a bigger saloon car.
At least I’m the first to say - bloody pseudo BMW drivers
Why is everyone so angry in the UK?
I would send the dash cam to the Police .
Fair play for not getting the rage on , very easy when someone tries to kill you.
TJ & duncancallum
Worst boy band ever.
zanelad
Member
You should’ve driven alongside fhe truck for as long as possible. I did it driving alongside a tractor as we went through the Dartford Tunnel many years ago.
As per the highway code, just slowing down to make the gap safe. Well played sir. The OP should've done the same to send the guy fully ballistic!
Why is everyone so angry in the UK?
Road rage dashcam footage from Russia usually involves baseball bats and guns - I think we've got a lot of catching up to do 🙂
TJ & duncancallum
Let's get ready to grumble!
If you do send the video to the Police I think you've got to include at least a minute of footage before and after the incident.
Let’s get ready to grumble!
Can't believe I went through all the rhymes I could think of and missed this one. 🙂
Footage to the cops, they'll ask the truckers for their footage. Well done for not reacting more with the black box.
Def review the dashcam footage and hope it captured it, the driver in the Mini sounds like someone that shouldn't be driving but even if the police only end up having a word with him he might tone down his behaviour in future.
That cheeky middle finger can get you in a huge mess. I learnt my lesson on the motorway past Perpignan when the aggrieved driver pulled in front of me and stopped. In the middle lane. I had my son in the car too. Eventually got round him and he did it again a couple of times.
My crime was to overtake a lorry going not much slower than me. Suddenly got this dickhead inches from the bumper flashing his main beam. I should have sped up, passed the lorry and let the dickhead past. Instead I carried out the overtake as planned, pulled back in once a safe distance in front of the lorry, and flip off the dickhead who was already bouncing off the inside of his repmobile. Funny, he was in such a rush but had time to bring the entire motorway to a halt.
Anyway, I've had both middle fingers removed to prevent a reoccurrence.
shame about the black box…. he could have learned a valuable lesson otherwise
I never quite get the idea that you can somehow teach someone who's clearly irrational and dangerous 'a lesson' by being, well, irrational and dangerous back. You're arguably more likely to simply escalate things into a more dangerous confrontation.
I know this works in action films where the hero uses superhuman driving skills to leave the aggressor slumped over the steering wheel at the side of the road with a crumpled, smoking car, but real life doesn't really work like that. I'm not even sure that baddies in films learn owt from the experience either. It's not like they become reformed characters afterwards.
Personally I just try to get out of the way of nut-jobs. You can often pick them out in advance: screaming up the outside lane at way over the limit. Last minute pull-outs and and pull-ins often without indicating etc. Just let them get on with it and hope that when it all goes horribly wrong for them, no-one else pays the price as well.
As a HGV driver in Birmingham and A38 etc , i see this all the time , the standard of driving in brum is shocking. The amount of times ive stood on the brakes cus some f***wit has decided to turn left across all the lanes or just wanted to brake test my truck ... Think its just the way society is going , everyone's in a rush and needs to be there 5 mins ago !.
Its one of the reasons we have sold our house ad heading to east Yorkshire to live for hopefully a quieter life and less hustle and bustle !
And yes about dash cam footage, most trucks/wagons have them now, our fleet has them pointing forward, one rear and then one down each side of the truck to protect us as much as the numpties on the road
Some people seem to see ‘P’ and ‘L’ plates as some sort of additional provocation to their fragile egos. Usually the type who tailgate and try to intimidate me when I’m driving a tiny hatchback, but not in a bigger saloon car.
This, sadly. Some people really are bell ends. I’ve never been on the receiving end of so much aggressive, bullying driving behaviour since I bought a panda. Some people are just ****s.
Send it to the police and move on. I was happily 10mph over the speed limit today overtaking on the Runcorn Bridge when a BMW got right up behind me flashing his headlights. Tapped the brakes and ingnored them. They cut a few car up then joined the queue like the rest of us. You can’t educate sacks of offal so why bother trying. I do notice that in a works transit people give you more room as I’d have happily rammed them if it came to it. When I drive the Mrs’s car, a Fiesta, I get a lot more tail gating for daring to stick to 30mph in the city. It’s modern life sadly. Hurray for moving out the city in a few weeks say I.
a BMW got right up behind me flashing his headlights
theres an idiot on the road putting other road users in danger
Tapped the brakes
now theres two idiots in the road.
How has this improved the situation?
now theres two idiots in the road.
There're lots more than two......
My wife phoned me the other day as I was driving on the motorway to warn me that she had heard on the radio that there was some idiot driving the wrong way down the carriageway.
"It's not just one" I said... "There are thousands of them"
To make it obvious I was slowing as had overtaken and was going to manoeuvre.
Really?
After an overtake you can simply pull back in.
Unless your overtake was absurdly lairy and you're diving for a gap.
Yup, yup, everyone is taught; mirror, brake check the car behind you, signal, manouver.
Or was it observation signal manouver position speed look, i cant remember.
Yep, definitley the second one.
Some people seem to see ‘P’ and ‘L’ plates as some sort of additional provocation to their fragile ego
It shocked me on the weekend when I took my son for a drive with the L plates on. Van driver right up his arse on a back road - my lad is confident enough not to be crawling along, so no reason for it. I gesture through the back window (not rude, just 'drop back'), th eprick doesn't slow, so I say, let's pull over and let him pass. Indicate, slow, pull over by a gate. Van**** is STILL BEHIND US! I turn and wave him past, he does the "what the ****" gesture! So we sit there, until eventually this utter utter moron goes round us and drives off. Incredible.
Anyway, anticipating the youtube link to wrightyson's event footage...
TJ & duncancallum ^^^ have it.
Were Ant and Dec there?
EDIT: DOH! I should have read all the other replies before rushing to post my take on the post 🙁
There was an interesting piece on the BBC last night about people in the NW who get friends or relatives to sit their theory and practical driving tests for them. Judging by the sheer incompetence of some drivers I suspect it's much more commmon than anybody thinks. I also think there are some drivers who treat the highway as a giant real-life game of Grand Theft Auto.
Will the police do anything?
Thing is, someone like that will almost certainly have previous. In isolation they might not be arsed, but if your report is one of several they might well be more inclined to pursue it.
Haha your are Lewis Hamilton and I must carry on with work. I’m just amazed I’m not dead. Mind you there was a huge pile up behind me today for some reason. Oh well...
If footage as described fell into the hands of my friends along the corridor in the RPU office they’d be on it like a tramp on chips. If it fell into the hands of one of the run-off-their-feet guys downstairs, they would be less delighted but would be pleased give it to a traffic cop. The moral of the story is, get it to a traffic cop, they love doing dangerous drivers for genuine dangerous driving. It’s their bag (,baby).
Haha your are Lewis Hamilton and I must carry on with work
No, that's you! 🙂
and gave the dude the finger
I think you need to learn not to do this first. I know it’s tempting, and the guy probably deserves worse, but sometimes you just gotta let them go. Also, people like him are often looking for a reaction; it’s almost like they want you to give them the merchant-banker signal etc. and it pisses them off just a little bit more when you just completely ignore them.
Anyone who deliberately obstructs another driver, for what ever reason is an idiot. And if you do this, then you are just making the situation worse. At some point, things come to a head, and it ends up with people being hurt, often, completely innocent people who were not involved in the situation. So, grow up, and just get out of the way in the most sensible way. Yes they other driver might be "mad" or "be a lunatic" yes, they might be breaking the speed limit, yes they might be "Pushing in" but in all those cases, take the moral high ground and let them get on with what they are doing, well away from you!
It's really simple, just drive in a way that brings you into the least conflict with other drivers.
Overtaking a truck and a car comes flying up behind you? Just accelerate for a couple of seconds, move left, and let them on their way. Problem gone, no conflict
In a queue of traffic, someone comes flying up the outside and tries to push in? Back off for 2 secs and let them in. Problem gone, no conflict
Everyone makes mistakes, every one is someday in a hurry, or driving inappropriately or inconsiderately. If you don't like that, join the police and become a traffic cop, otherwise, just let them get on with it!
when a BMW got right up behind me flashing his headlights
I had this in the summer. So close behind I couldn't see his headlights at 70mph. When I let him past and gave him a rude signal I was pulled over as they were unmarkerd rozzers.
They told me they were writing me up for 'disorderly conduct' for the rude signal.
I took a picture of both the driver and his mate and said I would have to make a formal complaint for dangerous driving.
They backtracked somewhat.
Police won't do anything, dashcam or not. They don't care.
^^ I'd have asked why were they in such a hurry as to require that sort of driving yet still had the time to pull you over?
(I probably wouldn't, but hey, it's the Internet.)
Cougar
Subscriber
^^ I’d have asked why were they in such a hurry as to require that sort of driving yet still had the time to pull you over?
Also known as failing the attitude test.
Hang on hang on... there was a [i]bloke[/i]? A bloke... driving a [i]Mini[/i]..? A BMW [i]Mini[/i]? That's a bit far fetched isn't it?!
Overtaking a truck and a car comes flying up behind you? Just accelerate for a couple of seconds, move left, and let them on their way. Problem gone, no conflict
Er , No.
HTHs.
I’d have asked why were they in such a hurry as to require that sort of driving yet still had the time to pull you over?
I did say that if they wanted to hoon around at 90mph and intimidate people out of their way, they could always put their blue lights on.
Otherwise you are an onanist, hence the gesture.
Er , No.
HTHs.
Er, yes. Either that or slow down behind the truck and let the Mini past first. If you do get stuck mid overtake because your car lacks power or has a black box give them a little wave of apology as you pull back in.
Even a relatively hot mini is not getting from 70 to 90 (for example) in between your mirror check and manoeuvre, it should be obvious it is coming up on you.
Yes, your underpowered heap of shit was stopping him from making progress, OP.
🙂
Furthermore, it is clear from his measured and considerate response after the event that he was a reasonable chap just trying to get home in time for tea.
I'm blind TJ.....
Contacted the haulier yet?
So to clarify what I said above, from the intial desrciption:
Dick move 1: OP pulls out in front of the Mini
Dick move 2: Minnie Driver tailgates and flashes at OP
Dick move 3: OP gives Minnie the finger
Dick move 4: MD tries to get OP into a 70mph crash
All in violation of rule 1 of life, all in violation of some part of the highway code. Only #4 is potentially fatal, and (I'd hope) something the police will care about - with both the OP and Lorry dashcam as evidence.
All set off by dick move 1 - something we've probably all done before (I know I have) and had it done to us.
I’m blind TJ…..
🤣 Well played.
Er, yes. Either that or slow down behind the truck and let the Mini past first. If you do get stuck mid overtake because your car lacks power or has a black box give them a little wave of apology as you pull back in.
Erm... No, HTHs.
Right, I've found the clip and saved it, it's a bit shit at the moment as I've watched it only on the dashcam screen, my computer doesn't seem to want to acknowledge the memory card. Cant see the reg in the mini. Looks like it's a parcelforce lorry so I'm sure they will have cameras. However it doesn't look as scary as I remember, need some big screen action, I'm sure we were about to enter his boot, however flashy brake lights were fully present.
Yeah, the footage always looks miles away because of the wide angle lenses, but if it shows him pull in front of you and smash his brakes on that shouldn't matter. However, if you can't see the registration, then there's not a lot for the police to go on. Hopefully it'll be visible on your computer.
wait till you upload it.
Even my ultra shit chinese dash cam looked like a pinhole camera on replay via the screen
17" laptop in full svga graphics mode turned into something like a scene from Ronin
( in my imagination thats my commute the reality= Driving Miss Daisy )
However it doesn’t look as scary as I remember
Doesn't matter, nobody should use their vehicle as a weapon...
No-one.
I for one am glad you are all safe and it hasn't put any one of your passenger off from travelling by car.
Not everyone is an arsehole.
I for one am glad you are all safe and it hasn’t put any one of your passenger off from travelling by car.
Cheers for that. 👍
Main thing for me was how good 145k miles 10 year old audi brakes were even though we were 5 up in the car.
Just checked the coop black box dashboard, it really ****ed up my braking and accelerating score 😂
something like a scene from Ronin
I do think there are some driver's who use this as theory and practical test reference material.
I’m with maxtorque on this, life is too short to get involved with dickheads.
Let them past, move over, slow down/speed up as necessary to get them to **** away from you.
I’m with maxtorque on this, life is too short to get involved with dickheads.
I agree wholeheartedly with this.
slow down/speed up as necessary
But not this.
Just for clarity, i meant speeding up to pass a truck so i could get back over to the left as quickly as I safely could.
If i was already doing 70 there would be no need to do this.
I wouldn’t crawl past a truck at 58mph.
Just for clarity, i meant speeding up to pass a truck so i could get back over to the left as quickly as I safely could.
If i was already doing 70 there would be no need to do this.
I wouldn’t crawl past a truck at 58mph.
Now you have clarified, I agree. I'd never be "pushed" above the speed limit, though, without a very good reason.
But slowing slightly makes sense in order to increase the gap ahead.
if someone tailgates me ( and asssuming nothing else in the traffic would make the maneuver more dangerous) I simply slow down until they get the message. so obviously not doing this while overtaking but otherwise? Just take your foot off the throttle
ust for clarity, i meant speeding up to pass a truck so i could get back over to the left as quickly as I safely could.
If i was already doing 70 there would be no need to do this.
I wouldn’t crawl past a truck at 58mph.Now you have clarified, I agree. I’d never be “pushed” above the speed limit, though, without a very good reason.
Now that I agree with. Now we have some clarity.
From what was posted, it read like anyone overtaking should just not bother or suffer the consequences of having some lunatic up your bumper trying to suck the exhaust fumes as some sort of weird perversion.
IMO, and this is always subjective right, is drive defensively to limit the exposure to other moving traffic on the road. Always leave enough space around you to manoeuvre safely and with control and should the opportunity present itself to overtake then do so but pull back in in a safe controlled manner. If you are being bullied by some lunatic to pull back in, or being tailgated, continue at your speed and keep space between you and the vehicle you are overtaking. If the lunatic behind you gets all uppity, take the reg number and report it to the police.
For some reason people think the police don't do anything about driving incidents, IME thats not true. Should they have reason to investigate the incident then they will act, if they've had multiple reports of the same driver then action is taken.
You have as much right to drive on the roads as anyone else, if you act like a bully or use your vehicle as a weapon then you will suffer the consequences.
IME, considering I must do about 14k a year, the standard of driving on the roads is better than it was back in the early 2000's.. I suspect the reasons are more cameras, dash cameras, people reporting incidents and more education focused on the Young learning to drive.. and by and large that filters through the system..
Dicks will always be dicks though, so always be aware of your surroundings whilst driving.
I simply slow down until they get the message
If they don't already know, they won't understand. But I do sometimes slow down gently if tailgated, simply because my ability to stop in a hurry is compromised by them being less than an a thinking time gap behind me. But they won't realise that.