[Closed] So my bro got caught speeding

Ok so we are allowed to pick and choose which laws we agree we should comply with, fine.

But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

Even if their judgment is they want to pass a cyclist way too close or steal their bike or just lob a Molotov cocktail through their bedroom window as they sleep.

You need to send a letter to you local council, lister. Or perhaps start a petition. I live near a school and started a successful petition to get speed bumps and a 30kmh limit. The local authorities came and recorded the speed of cars past the school (no presecutions just a camera to gather data to see if my request was justified) then set to work.

If ever a child had been hurt and I hadn't gone knocking on doors I'd have felt responsible. If there's an accident despite the improvements I'll at least know there was nothing more I could have done (legally).

Ok so we are allowed to pick and choose which laws we agree we should comply with, fine.

But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

Even if their judgment is they want to pass a cyclist way too close or steal their bike or just lob a Molotov cocktail through their bedroom window as they sleep.

Eduakor..im going to suggest rather than writing letters to the council you worry yourself with getting up to speed with the highway code first.. Baby steps..you have already been shown up as not knowing what you
are talking about.

But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

Sweet. That guy who keeps parking right outside my door with the stereo blaring needs a good beating. I’ll judge that I can ignore that silly GBH thing. Not set fire to anything since I was a teen either. This weekend is going to be epic!

There are no rules to life, only consequences for your actions.

Depends on who you are

curto80 - Member
Ok so we are allowed to pick and choose which laws we agree we should comply with, fine.

But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

Even if their judgment is they want to pass a cyclist way too close or steal their bike or just lob a Molotov cocktail through their bedroom window as they sleep.

Again, context old chap. And common sense 😀

Would love to have a go on a Molotov Cocktail tho! Not to throw through somebody's window, that would be rude.

Again, context old chap. And common sense

That’s the thing though, laws need to exist because not everyone is good at the whole context thing.

Fact is lots of schools have 20mph limits and you cited 29mph cleary thinking that was below the limit, tpbiker. You brag about breaking the law at 120mph so I can't see you being overyly concerned about being 71ù over other limits.

What town do you live in, or county if you're worried about giving away your location. That way we can all check how many 20mph limits there are near you.

And yet those people probably won't observe the law anyway...

...and here we are again.

The whole driving attitude requires a major shift in perception. Driving a car on Public roads should be about the other users on that road first, then you the driver using the same road.

Roads are for everyone, not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

If you are unable to abide by those Laws and Regulations then you’ve no right to be on the road, and long may the Law be enforceable on you without sympathy or consideration when abusing those self same Laws that apply to everyone.

Driving a car on Public roads should be about the other users on that road first, then you the driver using the same road.

Agree.

Roads are for everyone

Agree

not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

Aaaand you've lost me. What. Does. That. Mean?

Fact is lots of schools have 20mph limits and you cited 29mph cleary thinking that was below the limit, tpbiker. You brag about breaking the law at 120mph so I can't see you being overyly concerned about being 71ù over other limits.

Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote.. Or are you just not particularly bright?

Firstly.. I said 29 in a 30..which is below the limit.. In what was clearly a hypothetical example. Regardless I was citing that was actually dangerous behaviour despite being 'legal'. I struggle to think that wasn't pretty obvious.

And I wasn't bragging about driving at 120 mph.. I have on numerous occasions on this thread said that I would not do that.. Because I'd be banned. Assume you didn't grasp that point either..

Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote.

No, tpbiker, here's exactly what you wrote on the previous page, the complete paragraph, no modifications:

Tell me, what is more dangerous.. Me driving at 29 in a 30 at 4pm outside a school.. Or driving on a deserted motorway at 120 in a car that is designed to go far in excess of that.

Ok, if the speed limits are too low for some of the drivers on here, where is the huge campaign from the AA, RAC etc etc lobbying the government to increase speed limits?

Is there a petition online to increase the speed limits, if not why not start one?

My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

For that reason alone 70mph is plenty fast enough for me as some divers see it as a discretionary limit only.

Can't see anything to controversy in any of the above to be honest?

And this on the day that the French government anounces a drop in the national speed limit from 90kmh to 80km in th ehope of saving 300+ lives a year. The Swiss dropped the limit to 80 with a referendum and the improvement that followed is what's encouraged teh french government to lower the limit. As for enforcement, any car on the road could be one of the new radar cars that can radar all the oncoming traffic.

No, tpbiker, here's exactly what you wrote on the previous page, the complete paragraph, no modifications:

Tell me, what is more dangerous.. Me driving at 29 in a 30 at 4pm outside a school.. Or driving on a deserted motorway at 120 in a car that is designed to go far in excess of that.

Yep.. That's what I wrote..it was clearly a question to make my earlier point.. I also wrote on page 3..

It's far more dangerous driving at 30 past a school than it is 120 on a deserted 3 lane motorway (in a high performance car).

Context is everything...

So.. It's pretty clear I think driving quickly pst schools is not on. And trying to make out I think it's OK is either misrepresentation or demonstrates an inability to read.

I've also stated numerous times I would not drive at 120 mph... Just that I don't think it's particularly dangerous to do so, dependent on road conditions . I struggle to comprehend how you couldn't work out that was a hypothetical example tbh..

But you can't justify one wrong thing by saying something else is worse , hypothetically or not .

Roads are for everyone, not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

If you are unable to abide by those Laws and Regulations then you’ve no right to be on the road, and long may the Law be enforceable on you without sympathy or consideration when abusing those self same Laws that apply to everyone.

I struggle to comprehend how you couldn't work out that was a hypothetical example tbh..

Because of the word "Me" followed by the word "driving". If it had been "someone driving" I'd have considered the possibility you were talking hypothetically, the "Me" made it unambiguous that you sere the one driving past a school at 29 and doing 120 on the motorway.

And as Neil notes, even if you were speaking hypothetically you justify one stupid act by claiming it's less stupid than another stupid act.

perfectly safe

*No lights or sirens, just cruising with the flow of traffic that’s clearing breaking the law that bikebuoy holds so dear to his fluffy little heart.
Bless him.

And may I be the first to put my hand up to having never broken any of those 40 laws.

And may I be the first to put my hand up to having never broken any of those 40 laws.

Edukator, do the decent thing and admit you took his quote out of context. It's alright to admit you were wrong, some people may even respect you for it.

Anyway, this has gone full STW, life boats are gone so time to bail before this ship goes under.

You can drive tractors on the motorway if they are taxed and fuelled with white diesel. I know because I googled it after seeing two going down the M5 a couple of years ago.

You can't if they're classed as agricultural vehicles with the DVLA.

Not all within last year but broken most of these at one point or several points. Can anyone claim they have never broken any of these?

Half of those aren't laws, they're urban myths.

My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

Simply untrue.

the "Me" made it unambiguous that you sere the one driving past a school at 29 and doing 120 on the motorway.

Are you new to the concept of examples?

Cougar

My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

Simply untrue.

You believe that some drivers do not regularly cruise along a motorway at 80+ as an almost default speed?

Also that drivers do not sometimes lose their licence from multiple speeding convictions, rather than being just silly "once"?

You can't if they're classed as agricultural vehicles with the DVLA.

Well yes but you can take an agricultural vehicle and register it thus rendering it fit for motorway use.
The point being it’s a tax issue not a ‘vehicle’ issue.

Simply untrue.

Plod would disagree with you on that - quite the opposite in their opinion.

You believe that some drivers do not regularly cruise along a motorway at 80+ as an almost default speed?

I don't think you wrote what you meant to write here, but as written I completely believe that.

EDIT: Actually, re-reading I may have misread your original post. Some drivers will speed habitually, but they are the minority, is what I meant.

Most drivers are more likely to comply with limits they believe are reasonable and ignore ones that they think aren't. If you put a 20mph speed limit on the motorway with no enforcement, almost no-one would obey it. There will always be a few who will drive on the edge of what they think they can get away with, or even just not care, but they are likely to be a minority.

Google "85th percentile" for further reading.

Well yes but you can take an agricultural vehicle and register it thus rendering it fit for motorway use.
The point being it’s a tax issue not a ‘vehicle’ issue.

Ah, I didn't realise that. Thanks.

Pretty much agree with all that cougar.

Didn't see that coming! 😀

Did it appear out of nowhere? (-:

Twas like a white Beemer in the rear view mirror. 😉

There’s nothing inherently dangerous about driving at 120mph. It’s initially shocking if you’ve never done it, but you quickly adapt. So on a deserted road, and assuming a well maintained car, it’s no more dangerous than driving 70 and the Germans clearly think so.

What’s dangerous is driving at high speed without consideration for other road users who aren’t, and no one, not a single person in this thread has spoken to the contrary.

So long as those who don’t want to speed aren’t bullied by those that do and so long as those that don’t want to speed simply obey the law rather than attempt to enforce it, just live and let live. Those who speed will get their rewards in due time and I’m sure they’ve made their peace with that choice. Why stress about it?

So on a deserted road, and assuming a well maintained car,

Let's go the whole hog and make it a bit safer still, with armco and run off areas and gravel traps, then people can fill their boots driving as fast as their cars will let them.

Amazed no-one thought of it before.

I will regret starting this thread until the day I die in a 120mph crash on the motorway

As long as you were driving carefully, the car is well maintained and you have stress tested all the parts to ensure that none of them will fail of course Edward. We wouldn’t want you to be driving recklessly at 120mph.

There’s nothing inherently dangerous about driving at 120mph. It’s initially shocking if you’ve never done it, but you quickly adapt. So on a deserted road, and assuming a well maintained car, it’s no more dangerous than driving 70 and the Germans clearly think so.

At 120 you lose peripheral vission and find yourself driving in a tunnel. When you do see things on the verges of your trajectory you are drawn towards them hence the number of vehicles on the hard shoulder that are hit. In the case of anything going wrong the chances of the car crossing the central reservation are much higher. The 130kmh French autoroute limit is based on the premis that below that speed most accidents will remain within the barriers rather than flying over and into on-coming traffic.

I've already linked the stats for the unlimited sections of the German autobahns, three times the accident rate on French autoroutes and much higher than on limited sections of German autobahns, and that despite those section ebing deemed safe enough to not need a speed limit.

Daffy - Member
There’s nothing inherently dangerous about driving at 120mph.

No, there really is.

Just one example:

Tyre blow out. Would you sooner be travelling at 70 or 120 in that event.

Faster speed simply means that any random event that might result in compromised control of the vehicle is more likely to end badly the faster you are travelling.

Simple question for you...

You are in said car that has tyre blow out. As a passenger, with a totally average driver in control of vehicle. Not a driving God like we all are in this thread. Genuinely, would you sooner be travelling at 70 or 120 in that car when the tyre goes?

If you answer "120", well, I'll be a little bemused to say the least.

Just to go back to the bullying people out of the way thing.

If someone is driving too close, having approached too fast and is driving like Jeremy Clarkson's Nipples are on fire, just move over when it's safe to. As you should be doing anyway. If there's no room to move over as the inner lane is 'full' then they can drive at your speed. There is no need to be intimidated, no need to do stupid brake checking manoeuvres, just progress correctly and let them do as they will.

People are bellends, let them be.

I’d rather be doing 80 in pretty much any modern car than 69.9 in a Landy when a blowout occurs that’s for sure 😆

Are you new to the concept of examples?

Yup, when delivered using the impersonal from. I have a problem here, Cougar, Tpbiker drives a Porsche Boxter and rants through overtaking threads about how much safer it is blasting past lines of caravans crawling along at 50 on country roads in the Boxter than in a normal car. Then he claims to be a slow careful driver whilst making allusions to "Me" and 120mph.

It's implausible double talk.

In his defence the Boxter isn't a real Porsche though is it. 🙂

I will regret starting this thread until the day I die

I'd hang on for a bit Edward, I dont think we have reached Peak Handbag Flailing just yet....

Oh, I do love a good driving / speeding thread....

Oh, I do love a good driving / speeding thread....

They are one of life's little joys aren't they?

This one is lacking some of the more more fervent petolheads needed to make it realy fly.

Arguing about flying above speed limits will require an entirely new thread.

At 120 you lose peripheral vission and find yourself driving in a tunnel.

In my experience it more around 140mph+. But you soon get used to it and vision corrects itself. It's a common 'thing' with professional/amateur racers returning from a lay off. Getting up to speed anyone?

In my experience it more around 140mph+. But you soon get used to it and vision corrects itself.

*swoon*

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/france-cuts-speed-limit-rise-deaths ]France reduce speed limit[/url]

But you soon get used to it and vision corrects itself.

You get used to it but your vision never corrects itself. I say this as a class winner on the Welsh Rally. It's an ever-present handicap as speed rises that you learn to live with and very present at 100mph which is where a lot of the rally cars of my day topped out as they ran out of revs and gears. It means spotting hazards a long way ahead and calculating your trajectory so you miss them because as they get close the tunnel effect means you can non longer follow them [u]and[/u] keep your focus where it needs to be as the road scrolls into view.

Edit: and back on topic, the tunnel effect means you won't notice cars changing lanes near to you if you are running at your 140mph which is one of the reasons the acciedent rate on the German 'bahns is so high.

You get used to it but your vision never corrects itself. I say this as a class winner on the Welsh Rally. It's an ever-present handicap as speed rises that you learn to live with and very present at 100mph which is where a lot of the rally cars of my day topped out as they ran out of revs and gears. It means spotting hazards a long way ahead and calculating your trajectory so you miss them because as they get close the tunnel effect means you can non longer follow them and keep your focus where it needs to be as the road scrolls into view.

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😀 Binners

I've played rally games and one of the unrealistic things is that you don't have the tunnel effect - or being physically beaten up, or the appalling clatter of stones, or the howling engine whilst trying to concentrate on what the guy next to you is shouting in the hope you'll hear that the next crest isn't flat.

Rorschach - Member

France reduce speed limit

Assuming they haven't raised the speed limit recently, I wonder why they are not tackling the reason behind their rise in KSIs and are concentrating on speed instead? 💡

I've played rally games and one of the unrealistic things is that you don't have the tunnel effect - or being physically beaten up, or the appalling clatter of stones, or the howling engine whilst trying to concentrate on what the guy next to you is shouting in the hope you'll hear that the next crest isn't flat.

😀

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To save an estimated 300 lives a year according to TF1, sbob. The other areas to be targetted are alcohol which remains the major problem and the use of mobile devices which is now up to 10% of accidents.

The changes have been provoked by a recent rise in the death and injury rates after years of decline.

69.9 in a Landy

Shirley it's the strings of onions and clouds of Gitane smoke obscuring their vision that is causing the accidents .

Assuming they haven't raised the speed limit recently

Stick your swoon up your hole Ransos 😀

You get used to it but your vision never corrects itself.

It does you know. Rally cars don't go fast enough for long enough to get accustomed to it. Probably.

Edukator - Reformed Troll

To save an estimated 300 lives a year according to TF1, sbob.

That doesn't answer my question.
Alcohol isn't mentioned in the article. If that is the major problem then that is where they should concentrate their efforts.

According to the article, about half of their deaths are the equivalent of our single carriageway A roads. Out of those, about a third due to excessive [b]or[/b] inappropriate speed. If it is similar to the UK, then only a small fraction of that group will be due to speed in excess of the limit.
So what we have is policy that will affect 0.5x0.3x **** all of deaths.

Any thread about driving / speeding always brings out the militant nutters like bikebouy with their absolute opinions.

I find it quite funny that the most cautious / scared / militant type of drivers are often the ones who drive cars that are kept to pretty poor mechanical standards, low tread / pressures, low brake pads / discs, lack of servicing and any kind regular inspection, more likely to fit budget tyres etc as they 'dont speed so dont see the point'

There is a middle ground of driving speed and competence that most people fit into, then you have the nutters on either side of that, each capable of inflicting their own brand of grief on other road users.

I would rather be driven slightly too quickly somewhere by someone concentrating properly in a well maintained car, who has a decent level of observation / driving skill than some militant 'brake' member in their poorly maintained turd of a car who is causing no end of problems by hesitating, driving just too slowly spending more time ranting about other road users / looking in the mirror than actually getting on with the job in hand.

Crank rider if you go back and read BikeBouy’s comments he’s driving a car 4000miles from new so he’s likely to have a very well maintained car. I’m not sure I see the link to slower drivers and car maintanece.

I do think that we have some extremes on this thread as ever but I have no problem with drivers never exceeding the speed limit. Actually very commendable.

I do think that there is an over exposure on the question of speeding over the limits causing accidents. Certainly it’s part of the problem but just a part. There are so many other areas of concern with accidents. Drink driving, drugged driving, inappropriate speed (not necessarily over the speed limits), use of mobiles and other distractions in cars, plus just plane lack of care. The two times I’ve been run over on my bike the drivers weren’t speeding just driving without care and attention.

Evidence for this cars kept in a poor state of repair bollocks? Most people who are members of organisations such as Brake are members because they have lost somebody due to being hit by a car.

Not sure if it's on the thread (CBA'd looking though 9 pages) but here's Smokey Nagata doing 197mph on the A1, yeah he got busted 😆

I can't say I've never broken the speed limit, but I've also never been caught.

I do think that we have some extremes on this thread as ever but I have no problem with drivers never exceeding the speed limit. Actually very commendable.

Jesus christ, hardly a commendable achievement, is it?

I travelled down a road every day to work, it was an NSL road, I just followed the herd so long as the car infront of me was driving at a speed I felt safe doing, so pretty much upto and around the NSL speed limit, sometimes slightly over, yes.

Recently, the road was re-classified as a 50mph road, there have been no changes to the road or its surrounding buildings, lighting etc I am not aware of it being an accident hot-spot (never once has the road been closed in 5 years of daily commute or have I seen an accident, its a short, wide NSL stretch)

My point is, speed limits are not 'real', they are rules given to us by other people based on country-wide laws and opinion / statistics - Some speed limits seem too low on certain roads, and some certainly too high.

Someone on here a year ago actually said they think people that speed are as bad as rapists, an actual horiffic crime, hilarious.

Oh, of course BikeBouy's cars only done 4000 miles, he is probably terrified of driving so any journeys of significant size are out of the question after all.

Jesus christ, hardly a commendable achievement, is it?

Why isn’t it?

Evidence for this cars kept in a poor state of repair bollocks? Most people who are members of organisations such as Brake are members because they have lost somebody due to being hit by a car.

Evidence? What do you want me to provide, a government report on the correlation between speeding and vehicle mechanical condition?

My opninion is based on what I have seen of friends and family, their attitude to driving and the condition of their vehicles and attitude towards vehicle maintainence.

Nowhere above did I suggest a member of brake would have a poorly maintained car, nor do I think that, what I do think is that most of the drivers I know of that complain about others speeding and aggression on the road have poorly maintained cars that they just dont care about, they hate driving - why give the car any love?

Jesus christ, hardly a commendable achievement, is it?

Why isn’t it?

Im not sure if I am being obviously trolled here or not?

Do you think its commendable if you get out of bed in the morning too?

I want a medal........actually,can I have it later.I've not got out of bed yet.

Evidence? What do you want me to provide, a government report on the correlation between speeding and vehicle mechanical condition?

My opninion is based on what I have seen of friends and family, their attitude to driving and the condition of their vehicles and attitude towards vehicle maintainence.

So just a quite baseless opinion then, gotcha 😉

Err.....do you not remember what you wrote regarding Brake just up there?

I would rather be driven slightly too quickly somewhere by someone concentrating properly in a well maintained car, who has a decent level of observation / driving skill than some militant 'brake' member in their poorly maintained turd of a car

Driving well and within the limits is not the same as getting out of bed. Impulse control is a good thing. You seem pretty angry, stuck behind somebody driving sensibly per chance? 🙂

Euro

It does you know. Rally cars don't go fast enough for long enough to get accustomed to it. Probably.

Actually, I'm a Typhoon pilot when I'm not racing dragsters at santapod and at around 2000kph tunnel vision is a real problem.

I doubt you drive fast enough to get used to it to be honest.

Fortunately in the Typhoon cars aren't a real issue.

I just flash them (we call it lighting them up) with the Mauser 27mm Cannon.

Even at near Mach 2 I still get BMWs up my arse though...

I will regret starting this thread until the day I die

I would rather be driven slightly too quickly somewhere by someone concentrating properly in a well maintained car, who has a decent level of observation / driving skill than some militant 'brake' member in their poorly maintained turd of a car

The two are not exclusive, are they?

My point is, speed limits are not 'real', they are rules given to us by other people based on country-wide laws and opinion / statistics

Is that a guess, or do you actually know how speed limits are arrived at?

You seem pretty angry, stuck behind somebody driving sensibly per chance

Not really, I have been through my 'phase' of driving quick cars, im more than happy to bumble along at an appropriate speed and really dont get angry at all at other normal motorists, occasionally annoyed at the the overly hesitant / terrified or 40mph in a 60 yes, but usually I will just find a safe place to overtake and be on my way.

Poopscoop - Member
I doubt you drive fast enough to get used to it to be honest.

I don't. I was referring to the tunnel vision yer maun was talking about above - not speeding on the road.

You may not be familiar with road racing but it's pretty much our national sport (it's legal btw). This tunnel vision thing - it passes.

Euro - Member
Poopscoop - Member
I doubt you drive fast enough to get used to it to be honest.
I don't. I was referring to the tunnel vision yer maun was talking about above - not speeding on the road.

You may not be familiar with road racing but it's pretty much our national sport (it's legal btw). This tunnel vision thing - it passes.

Euro, did you actually really [b] read[/b] my post? Lol 😀

as soon as you admit that you allow someone else on the road who is driving perfectly reasonably and within the law to 'annoy' you, what does that say about your tolerance? Because they are hesitant / terrified - should they not be allowed out? Or just at specific times / on specific roads?

Do you get annoyed if for example a disabled person, or a mother with a pushchair is trying to get through a door in front of you and delays you for a short period? Or do you make allowance for them?

crankrider - Member
Any thread about driving / speeding always brings out the militant nutters like bikebouy with their absolute opinions.

Careful now..

And

Oh, of course BikeBouy's cars only done 4000 miles, he is probably terrified of driving so any journeys of significant size are out of the question after all.

Be very careful...

You have no idea how long I've owned that car, you have no idea where I drive or for how long, most importantly you have no idea how I drive except I drive within the speed limits.

Off you go troll face.... back in your pit.

It looks to me that this thread is actually a case study in why drivers are often opinionated and angry, and consequently like to find an 'easy' scapegoat to vent their fury on.

It looks to me that this thread is actually a case study in [s]why drivers are often opinionated and angry, and consequently like to find an 'easy' scapegoat to vent their fury on.[/s] self entitled bellendism (from all sides).
I do like BB going all 'Taken' though 😀 Bless.

bikebouy - Member

You have no idea how long I've owned that car, you have no idea where I drive or for how long, most importantly you have no idea how I drive except I drive within the speed limits.

Care to share?

Just backing up myself, seems just because I have a very rigid opinion of speeding motorists I attract angry divisive characters who defend their "right" to speed.

I don't care a jot TBH, I see nobs driving like nobs all the time, just on this thread they're quite happy to volunteer who they are and why they continue to speed on Public Roads.

All good, it outs them so we can all see who exakerly they are..

😆