[Closed] So, John Terry - lifetime ban?

we can only hope. I would love to see that arrogant **** bought down a peg or two

Who is he and what has he supposed to have done?

The video looked quite incriminating to me. I bet he gets off though.

For a racist comment? Nope. Fine / suspension/ something like

apparently his defence is that he can't be a racist as he's slept with Drogba's wife!

There's a wideo of this? Linky anyone?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/24/john-terry-anton-ferdinand-chelsea-qpr

Crikey! Never expected to see language like that on the guardian website! 😯

Apparently he is proclaiming how Anton Ferdinand is not a Blind so & so

No wideo on that link. 😕

EDIT: Sorry, there was no video on the mobile site. Talking out my arse again.

Fans can get banned from a club for the same thing, why shouldn't the same standards be applied to Terry?

The key part of the footage, where the England captain said he shouted "Oi, Anton, I never said …", is obscured by Ashley Cole walking across the camera shot.

Aye aye whatever...

There is a video on there DD

DD - follow the link to video linky 🙂

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2011/oct/24/john-terry-anton-ferdinand-video

I just watched it, maybe it's ad blocked or not loading?

😳

See my I'm-an-idiot edit above.

warton - Member
we can only hope. I would love to see that arrogant **** bought down a peg or two

Agree doubt you be seeing him trying that off the pitch.

Whatever, he's got a real stonker of a nose

This is how its gonna play out -

Anton speaks to Warnock who in turn speaks to Chelsea.

Anton agrees not to press charges against Terry.

Anton moves to Chelsea at the end of the season for an massively over inflated transfer fee to boost the QPR coffers with a large increase in salary over what QPR pay him.

It's a win win for all parties as Chelsea get to sweep it under the carpet by throwing money at it. QPR get a transfer price for Anton above his true value. Anton gets an increase in his earnings over the next 2,3 or 4 years.

Sadly money talks 🙄

Where are the folks to claim it's not racist?

White ct = OK
Black ct = Racist.

Explain?

Bois had a little slagging off match, get over it. I mean, I'm yellow should I run to mommy every time someone calls me f-g P***y or call police?

Honestly, I'm lost for words.

any use of race in/as an insult is racist.

but for me the key point here is what CaptJon said

CaptJon - Member

Fans can get banned from a club for the same thing, why shouldn't the same standards be applied to Terry?

Clubs/FA can't have it both ways and not ban players no matter how well paid or good

But it's EBJT!

Hmm, the video might look bad, but maybe that's cos we're imagining him saying what he's reported as saying. What if we watched it without knowing the context? Would we be thinking the same thing?

I'd never defend a racist, and if he's guilty then he should be sacked and banned (as should Luis Suarez who is facing a similar charge, and I'm a Liverpool fayn...).

Thing is though, no complaint has bin made by Anton Nerdifand as far as I know, just by 'a member of the public via email'.

Unless other players (of both sides) come forward and say that they heard Terry say owt, which I can't see happening, then this will undoubtedly blow over, regardless of what the police might have to say. Without audio you simply cannot prove anything at all.

Regarding the Suarez 'incident'; again, I'd never defend a racist, but this situation is muddied somewhat by the fact that Evra has made allegations in the past, none of which have ever amounted to any action being taken. There's no video evidence in this case, no 'member of the public making an allegation', no other players backing him up, just Evra's word. Again, I'd be very surprised if that came to owt.

Nasty business though all of it. If the allegations are true, proven or otherwise, then that's just wrong. If the allegations by Evra particularly are untrue, then that's just as bad in my book.

Life time ban for performance enhancing drugs, not for calling somebody a black barstuward.

with Terry's past behaviour exhibiting a resounding lack of respect, politeness or manners for others it is easy to assume he is guilty. I watch that video and feel sure he was being pretty badly behaved...probably far worse. I suspect it won't be 'proven' though and he will get off. That is a shame. I'm sure I'm not the only one who likes football less and less these days aas so many top players display such awful behaviour.

Damn elf I might have to agree with you (both JT & Suarez)..but hey dont get carried away now ok..it may be a while before it happens again..

As for a lifetime ban? Spot the haterz..as the kids would say..

White ct = OK
Black ct = Racist.

This is so true. Double standards abound in society today.

I watched that without knowing what he was "alleged to have said" and, frankly what I came up with matched what the Guardian came up with. I agree with CaptJohn and Wrecker.
I'm not really into football. But I do see the news ocasionally and understand the whole "Kick racism out of football" thing. So, why should it be any different on the pitch than it is off it?

I think he says "you f****n bike c**t, f****n joplin"

Saw this on Sunday. As much as I loathe "Big Man" Terry, I really don't find anything conclusive in the evidence collated thus far. Would love to see the book thrown at him though. But the FA will likely bottle it, just like they did when Shearer had a touchline scrap (mid 90's?) when England captain and got away with it. That really pissed me off.

I think this was it:

White ct = OK
Black ct = Racist.

This is so true. Double standards abound in society today.

Eh? What on [i]Earth[/i] are you on about? 😕

i don't see how 'black c**t' (if that's what he said, not 'blind c**t') is in itself racist. If I said 'northern c**t' I wouldn't consider that racist either. its just descriptive. Racism applies to discrimination. Whilst the language isn't overly clever, it does not infer that someone believes someone else is 'less able' than someone else due to their race.

i don't see how 'black c**t' (if that's what he said, not 'blind c**t') is in itself racist.

Well, there you go, eh?

Isn't life strange...

Stranger by the day.

Its using "black" as an insult hence its racist

Could he not just be banned for being crap? Watch the World Cup 'highlights' for all the evidence you'll ever need.

Black as a descriptive term in itself is not racist. My brother in law is from Antigua, and describes himself as black, so i do the same. Likewise the Music of Black origin (MOBO) is a self given term. Saying my BiL is black is no more racist than saying my ex Boss is welsh.

But, in the [i]context[/i] of the clip (and let's for now assume it is what was said) - yes that is racist even though it's not discriminatory per se.

However, the fact is also true that to call someone a welsh C or a ginger C, while equally descriptive is not seen as being as offensive and that's because of scores of years of oversensitivity to this issue.

also +1 for banning him for being a horrible man and an overated footballer.

sorry - an edit based on re-reading

oversensitivity does not come across well. i don't mean that the black white antagonism that exists still today in some sections of society have been overstated. I mean that there are still issues with using black as a descriptive term because some people are worried how it would come across. Little Britain had a character based on it, my mum's the same. If she was in a crowded room of entirely white faces and my BiL and someone asked her which one was Tony she'd almost certainly try to pick him out without reference to the most distinguishing feature that would make it obvious, because to her using his skin colour to differentiate him in that scenario might be seen as racist.

White ct = OK
Black ct = Racist.

This is so true. Double standards abound in society today.

No it isn't. It's a power thing, relating to the subordinate relationship that black people have had with white people over hundreds of years. 'Black' resonates, it works as an insult because of the historical power balance in the relationship 'white' doesn't mean dick as an insult, really.

After all the threads on STW over the years are we now back at the point where we're explaining to the unenlightened that there's a difference between "White " and "Black *"? Really?

*facepalms*

I prefer 'honky.'

If its true (what was said) I personally feel he should receive a lifetime ban. There are alot of meat-head fans and it wont change their mindset but maybe, just maybe it may get to the younger/impressionable fans.

deadlydarcy - Member
After all the threads on STW over the years are we now back at the point where we're explaining to the unenlightened that there's a difference between "White " and "Black *"? Really?

*facepalms*

Depressing, isn't it.

deadlydarcy - Member
After all the threads on STW over the years are we now back at the point where we're explaining to the unenlightened that there's a difference between "White " and "Black *"? Really?

*facepalms*

seriously ? there are people out there who think there's a difference ?

they're obviously a white person that's never been on the wrong end of racism. doesn't suprise me though, hardly a hotbed of multi cultural experience on here is it 🙄

Whatever.

But, can anyone lip read to see that John Terry says something racist? I'm reasonably good at lip reading, admittedly it helps if someone is facing me, and I can't see anything racist.

Add to that (yes I know Terry doesn't respect his team mates all the time), that Cole is pretty close to him too... do you really think he said something?

If I hadn't read what he was supposed to have said first, I would have thought he was saying "Eh! Eh! Eh! You f*^ing bent C**t!"
Is homophobia frowned upon in football yet?
Not that I give a flying bent clint what happens to John Terry or any other pro footballer.

It sounds like Ferdinand is taking a claim of racism to the FA and is being backed by three of his team mates. Terry has been trying to call both the Ferdinand brothers but they are refusing to take his calls.

http://www.****/sport/football/article-2053972/Race-row-deepens-Terry-as.html

I think he was calling him a "Bland Colt" which is an american term for a horse that doesn't turn out to be much good at racing. I just don't think it's crossed the Atlantic cultural divide...hence we've all jumped to conclusions and thought that the erstwhile brilliantly behaved Terry has been using racist language...rather than enlightening us.

*facepalms again*

I think its pretty obvious what he is saying. Hope it ruins him, ignorant racist and homophobic. Great role model.

LHS - what's he saying then?

I really can't work it out... I agree that he uses the C word.

But before that it just doesn't look like the word starts with a 'BL'...

trailmonkey - Member

there are people out there who think there's a difference ?
they're obviously a white person that's never been on the wrong end of racism. doesn't suprise me though, hardly a hotbed of multi cultural experience on here is it

And yet you don't get it.

The reason you will get comments like that is because some people have never really experienced racism, or in a lot of cases, other races at all. So maybe you can forgive the fact they don't understand the difference between black **** and white ****.

Well, I think that this thread has already bypassed the rules on swear avoidance many times, so apologies mods if this contravenes, but I think its pretty obvious that he is saying

eh eh eh, f*** black c.

LHS - what's he saying then?

I really can't work it out... I agree that he uses the C word.

But before that it just doesn't look like the word starts with a 'BL'...

Whatever he's saying, I can't see that there's time to say "Oi, Anton, I never said..." as Ashley Cole passes him; given that it's in slow motion. So, whatever he said, he's telling porkies about it. And if it was harmless, why would he do that? *

*taken from DD's jumping-to-massive-conclusions handbook 🙂

He should get a lifetime ban just for being John Terry.

He is the very living embodiment of everything that is wrong with the modern game!

The cock-sure swaggering arrogance, so absolutely assured that he can say and do what he damn well likes, no matter how offensive, and everyone else will just have to accept it "because I'm England Captain John Terry".

When he lost the England captaincy last time, you could tell he felt hard done by. Like HE was the victim. HE was being persecuted. No you thick * its because shagging your team-mates missus might not exactly be the best way to promote dressing room team harmony!!!

His defense this time seems to amount to, once again, "do you know who I am?"

The bloke is a bell end of absolutely biblical proportions. And I personally feel embarrassed every time I see him in an England strip apparently 'representing' our country. He's an utter *!! Pure and simple. And his casual racism is just typical of his attitude to everything!

and breathe.......

White naghty word or black naughty word I was under the impressio both were racist, only in this country more people are going to be sensitive about the latter, in other countries it may be the other way round. Both are perjoratives that imply your colour has some bearing on why you are being abused.

awaits a qualified right on PC hippy to confirm/correct.

He's still a cracking centre half though. 🙂

But he's England's Lion Heart™ who will do anything for his nation.

He[s]'s still[/s] [b]was[/b] a cracking centre half though.

FTFY 😉

I always like to post this when John Terry is mentioned.

http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/4076812._NHS_is_exploiting_my_life____claims_transsexual/

I always like to post this when John Terry is mentioned.

http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/4076812._NHS_is_exploiting_my_life____claims_transsexual/

Epic!!

FWIW on the JT issue, I think he thinks that he's invincible. His sheer arrogance and cock sure personality will find him innocent of everything other than being a complete t-w-a-t

If it happened it's a criminal offence and Ferdinand should be going to the police not the bloody FA.

We need to kick football out of racism!

A lifetime ban would be too good for him.

I spend a lot of time in SA and I am always struck that despite all the history associated with apartheid and racism, there is none of the nonsense associated with the terms black and white. Having been conditioned by our own society's expectations, this comes as a bit of a shock initially and I often find myself trying to avoid using the word black. But this is of course, completely absurd. My black colleagues describe themselves as Black and call me white and vice versa. I fail to see why using either term should be considered 'racist' without question. Far better than the convoluted terminology such as Afro-Carribean etc.

Having said that, I do not condone the addition of the term black in the context of "you black *******" because that is making a clear racist distinction. John Terry's alleged comments and the abuse you hear on and off the pitch should have no place in sport - but this is professional football that we are talking about!!

He should receive a lifetime of being kicked in the chops by Abou Diaby's crippled foot.

Consider these imaginary conversations...

Example A
Person 1: "Do you know that ****?"
Person 2: "Who?"
Person 1: "The black guy over there"

Example B
Person 1: "Do you know that black **** over there?"
Person 2: "Whoah, that's a bit racist JT!"

Anyone arguing there's no REAL WORLD difference can **** off, you racist ****s.

Chakaping - I hope that was not directed at me. I can assure you that is not what I was saying.

"I think all the players would like to dedicate it to John Terry," he said.

Chelsea manager Andre Villas-Boas has dedicated the club's Carling Cup win over Everton to captain John Terry. Hmmm......

but this is professional football that we are talking about!!

In Rio Ferdinand's book he makes reference to a current England player who is a known racist.

I remember the 2006 Spurs Chelsea game, Spurs won 2-1 and Terry got sent off. It was a Chelsea corner, Terry said something to Ledley, and suddenly every black Spurs player, King, Chimbonda etc went for him, and had to be restrained by the rest of the Spurs team. Terry got a straight red, didn't complain at all, just walked off, think it was later described as for unsportsmanlike behaviour - was swept under the carpet.

Can I be the first to suggest that he should be hung and quartered?

🙄

Chakaping - I hope that was not directed at me. I can assure you that is not what I was saying.

No, more at people trying to justify racist insults with tenuous grammatical arguments.

Burn him for most of the reasons sated on here
Never enough time for what he claims
I cannot decribe him without swear words
THM using black and white is fine if they are neutral descriptors - bacl bike white bike but they often display attitudes when used as references for race

JY - I do appreciate that!!

joeydeacon - You actually read Rio Ferdinand's book?

I looked at the pictures inside at him striking a pose with his mates in Magaluf, and promptly put it back on the shelf. 😆

Still, an interesting comment you made, but my mind is wondering who else the England closet racist could be?

but my mind is wondering who else the England closet racist could be?

Based on overall stupidity I'm going to have to say Ashley Cole.

😆 Me too!

JY - I do appreciate that!!

This thread is useless without pictures.........

of French lingerie models!

maybe he comes from a family of racists which is why he never uses his surname?

You could have a point there Roper. Maybe he doesn't use his surname as it would betray his ancestral heritage that he's still in denial about

John Terry Mugabe?

I can't believe that anyone would be suprised that a working class white bloke from Barking is actually a racist, its BNP heartland for goodness sake.

What did you call me?

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