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I'd replace the paint on tyres with old fashioned profile wheels and tyres if the computer systems allow it, enjoy not chipping your teeth and getting white finger from the vibration, store them away and stick them back on when you sell it.
This thread did prompt me to buy some sunglasses holders
I’d replace the paint on tyres with old fashioned profile wheels and tyres if the computer systems allow it, enjoy not chipping your teeth and getting white finger from the vibration, store them away and stick them back on when you sell it.
That is the plan, in a few months when the wallet stops hurting from this and holidays and the previous car and the garden etc etc.
The car has pressures specified for 8.5 x 17 and 8.5 x 18 which would mean tyre depths of 110mm and 102mm respectively as opposed to 82mm now, if my maths is right. The overall wheel size will be the same or very nearly.
They are pretty difficult to find in the right offsets though, unless I buy from Germany which at €500 a set plus lots of postage and VAT (**** Brexit) is still relatively sane if not exactly cheap. I'd get most of the money back if sold on later, and if I do it when the tyres are low I'd be able to offset some of that cash against cheaper, more comfortable, quieter and more efficient tyres.
I'd be more worried about the corrosion, tbh.
That's not a good sign on a vehicle you plan to keep.
Get rid.
Buy a Honda. 🙂
I’d be more worried about the corrosion, tbh.
I haven't looked at it myself.
He said it was slight though, and a rust-proofing service isn't that expensive and probably a good idea in general.
I probably won’t sell it tbh. Not for a couple of years anyway. But I will mull it over.
I would be tempted to see what it's actually worth. Most second-hand cars have appreciated in value over the last few months. If you can flog it to a Mercedes dealer it becomes their problem.
I would be tempted to see what it’s actually worth
Less than I paid by about a grand I think, at least private sale. If prices go up that's when I might consider it.
EDIT actually maybe not too far off actually the 19" wheels seem to up the price a bit. There's a fairly wide variation though of course.
But you know its history now..
Yeah, frequently redlined up and down an a-road from cold 😉
I probably won’t sell it tbh. Not for a couple of years anyway.
But I will mull it over
16's on the back, 22's up front?
IGMC
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Less than I paid by about a grand I think, at least private sale. If prices go up that’s when I might consider it.
I think that is beyond optimistic, second hand cars depreciate faster than cheese, look after it and you might just be able to recoup something, but don't waste time imagining some sort of financial investment with cars bought from showrooms, they take the only profit left in it, what you have now is mobility with style, the money paid is gone, it's now just function, make it last and spend your time getting that Passat back up and running.
second hand cars depreciate faster than cheese
This one appears to have apparently kept half its value after 15 years, so it's not too bad..
This one appears to have apparently kept half its value after 15 years, so it’s not too bad.
Second hand prices are through the roof at the minute due to shortages of new cars, presumably the prices will drop again like a stone when production returns.
I think that is beyond optimistic, second hand cars depreciate faster than cheese
Not at the moment. I bought a used Volvo from a main dealer in December 2020 and just sold it to another main dealer for more than I paid for it with another 10,000 miles on the clock. Full asking price, no haggling.
Not at the moment. I bought a used Volvo from a main dealer in December 2020 and just sold it to another main dealer for more than I paid for it with another 10,000 miles on the clock. Full asking price, no haggling
Sure, as I said above, if you can go without a car for a while you could even make a profit there by not buying another till the price drops again, but selling high and buying high is not achieving much.
I still have the Passat.....
I still have the Passat…..
Anyone else hear the chords from the start of the Jaws theme? 🙂
Mols, you need this thread next
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1637958&i=1760
but selling high and buying high is not achieving much.
I agree. But it seems to me that molgrips just wants a car that doesn't induce paranoia so if he can do a straight swap it makes no odds.
@Flaperon is right to a degree. But I am also conflicted because I also want to forget about it all, and I also very much like the Merc in many ways.
It depends how I feel in a few months' time I suppose. Thing is though, it wants underbody treatment and it wants new wheels really, which would cost. But then, if it had the new wheels would it just be amazing to drive and I'd love it more than anything else? Maybe I'll put a speculative advert on Autotrader with a high price and see what happens.
I'm turning into @Kryton57 at this point.
How long have you had it? 2 weeks!
Erm thanks but I’ve just remembered I’ve left the kettle on.
It’s just new car insecurity. Once you’ve had it a year or so you’ll feel more confident in it. You’ve had it checked and it appears all is ok. If you’re a bit unsure about the software update get the box and engine mapped by somebody reputable like Darkside Developments. If you sell it now unless you buy something dull your back into the unknown.
swop it! swop it! swop it! swop it!
(and we've still the drama of the Passat repair to come. Who needs Netflix!)
Where is the rust - I'd be getting a tin of Aquasteel on it pronto. MB's are shocking for undersealing - next to nothing under the plastic trays underneath.
Fertan and Dinitrol are your friends for dealing with rust. Or save your marriage once more by not coating the dog/cat/driveway in stinking Dinitrol by taking up my generous previous offer for the RNP fleet that have already been done...
(17year old 190k Volvo)
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If you’re a bit unsure about the software update get the box and engine mapped by somebody reputable like Darkside Developments.
Apparently not wise, the update is software not just a map and it can't be undone; and if you try using a remapmit can make bad things happen.
Where is the rust
Light rust on the rear swingarms apparently. I'll take it to a dedicated rust place as I've already promised myself I'm not ****ing about with cars any more unless I have to.
For some reason I feel compelled to look after this thing. I've read a lot of forums and they are full of people complaining bitterly about MB but somehow they keep buying them. It's a bit of a cult, and I can see why. There's something about the design of this car that is really very good and it makes me want to deal with the obvious downsides rather than give up.
If I was you I'd get the Passat fixed and make a decision when you have them both running.
Bit of rust on swingarms is not a big problem, at worst you replace them, but if you can get under a Passat enough to take the chassis off I'm sure a jet wash and painting a bit of rust stuff on is comparably straight forward.
It has Pirelli P-Zero on the rear, apparently these are well known for being very noisy.
Given how much tread is left on them I might buy some foam and stuff it in the spare wheel well or behind the wheelarch liners, apparently doing the spare wheel well helps.
but if you can get under a Passat enough to take the chassis off
That ended well didn't it 😀
Blimey, that Volvo looks like new underneath @RustyNissanPrairie, I'll have a look at that treatment for my car/van. Is it a one-hit job or a regular application thing?
My GLC with the 250 Diesel engine did its best to kill me at the weekend (twice!!).
Driving home after visiting parents (130 miles), mid way it says Adblue is low please refill (or words to that affect).
I bought the Adblue but didnt put it in thinking I’d be fine to get me home.
I live outside Milton Keynes, but had to go through MK on the very fast dual carriageways….as I’m exiting the motorway the car starts lurching, goes into 4th gear then drops straight to 1st, unpeeled my face from the windscreen, pull over as safely as I can. Turn engine off, check for any messages on screen and none, add the Adblue, takes the full large bottle. Check it’s registered it’s had it, yep, 3/4’s full.
Start driving again, feels fine. Rejoin dual carriageway, all good. Slow at a roundabout, then as increasing speed, gets to 40 then slips back to 1st gear, loads of rev’s but no speed. Didn’t have enough power to get over a kerb. So stopped on the dual carriageway where cars are flying past. Two didn’t notice, even though the flashers are on, I’m beeping my horn and waving my arm out of the window, they both swerved over at the last second….. anyway car re-started limped to a petrol station and waited 6 hours for the RAC who didn’t turn up….they have outsourced their car pick up and three companies had rejected the job.
Took it to the indie MB dealer, no issues found. Collected it today and it’s driving like a dream. Indie garage didn’t charge us, they hooked it up to the computer and also did two 10 min test drives.
^^^ I have a 1yr old 300d GLC and it has occasionally completely lost power (done it perhaps for or five times but not at all recently).
Blimey, weird if there are no codes.
Don't make me worry about selling this thing again.
Blimey, that Volvo looks like new underneath @RustyNissanPrairie, I’ll have a look at that treatment for my car/van. Is it a one-hit job or a regular application thing?
It's had a few quick applications over the years we've had it but I've just done a mid life rebuild of the car and spent a lot of time on the underside/wheelarches etc.
My method is;
1. Clean off any loose rust.
2. Apply Fertan as per instructions
3. A few coats of zinc rich epoxy primer
4. A few coats of Dinitrol 4941
You have to remove and kill the rust or it just carries on underneath the Dinitrol. Don't bother with waxoyl.
Re the tyre noise, I bought some deadening and absorbing foam and lined the spare wheel well, because apparently Merc skimped on the soundproofing in that area. It made a big improvement, which surprised me a bit because this kind of tinkering usually never does much for me! Also apparently Pirelly P-Zeros are very noisy tyres in general, so it may quieten down more when they eventually get swapped.
It's currently in the Trade Centre Wales repair place, I'm trying to persuade them the engine mounts are on the way out and they need replacing, but I don't hold out much hope.
Can you not install a Mercedes branded one of these? Maybe next to your sunglasses holder?
I’m trying to persuade them the engine mounts are on the way out and they need replacing
Really? Why? Surely they can't be knackered in a car this age? I've never really understood why folk have this sort of relationship with a car where all the time something has to be fixed or swapped or tinkered with. I've literally never cared about engine mounts since the days I drove 20 year old spitfires back in the 90's, and even then...who the hell really cares? It's got to be totally draining surely to have that sort of constant low level anxiety about an object all the time?
Really? Why? Surely they can’t be knackered in a car this age?
It's on nearly 90k and 8 years old. Perhaps a little under-specced for this car, it's widely acknowledged on forums that they only last about that long.
Why do I care? Because I just do. I spent a fair whack on a car, I want it working the way it's meant to work i.e. nicely. Otherwise I'd buy a banger and throw it away when it breaks. Eventually mounts completely fail and they need fixing, these aren't that bad yet but if I can get a new set out of TCW then great.
I look after things. My bikes work well, my computers work well, and I want my cars to work well. Is it draining? At times, yes. But that's just how things are.
What state are your bikes in?
We're back in that rabbit hole.
Are they broken no.
Are they worn possibly....
Did sir buy a new car? No.
Will they swap them... doubtful.
How about asking for a full set of dampers n suspension components too? May be a new drivers seat?
Not convinced this is healthy pal. Honestly.
Otherwise I’d buy a banger and throw it away when it breaks.
I think you should seriously consider this option 🙂
I want my cars to work well. Is it draining? At times, yes. But that’s just how things are.
Yes, But if you constant pick at this stuff (and the last 11 pages seems to suggest that you do) why don't you just sort out your life so that you don't have to worry about this shit? Sub-contract out that worry to some other organisation? If you want your cars to be "work well", build a decent relationship with a garage you can trust and stick to the inspection and service intervals. It's not rocket science. Let them worry about engine mounts, that way you don't have to.
My bikes are fine, thanks for asking.
It’s got to be totally draining surely to have that sort of constant low level anxiety about an object all the time?
This week I resembled that remark, having driven to Norfolk and back with 4up, all the luggage in the back, a Thule tow bar rack and two bikes on the back wondering if our 2008 Kuga would spit its dummy after feeling little hesitant on-throttle, noisy with a "wheel bearing?" thought and with a slight whiff of diesel from a leaky (minor) injector, and me trying to spot a dpf regen hoping it does activate.
My relationship with my car goes something along the lines of:
I drive it, I check the water and oil, and tyre pressures "regularly" (ahem) I fill up the screen wash when it tells me to. These days even the car knows when it wants servicing, so when the light comes on, I wait a couple of days for the service centre to call me, if not I call them to book it in. Occasionally they say stuff like "The dingle-flange compressor pully strap needs replacing, are you OK for us to go ahead and do that?" and I say "yes".
I pick the car up, I drive it home again...Rarely they say stuff like, "The dingle-flange housing bearing is being an awkward bastard so the car won't be ready tonight. We've sorted out a replacement car, but unfortunately for you it's this Citroen Tant Pis" (If I'm lucky I get a Citroen tant meiux, and all the ladies come to the yard, but that's another story)
I don't think I've ever ever thought about engine mounts once in my life, and my car's been fine all this time.
I'm aware that engine mounts exist. They must do, after all. Something has to attach the engine to the ...erm... other stuff.
Thats the limit of my thoughts on engine mounts. In common with 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the population, I'd guess
Molls... have you thought about spending less time and money on cars and more on coke and hookers? Or maybe just going to the pub more often? I think it'd definitely be beneficial
These days even the car knows when it wants servicing, so when the light comes on, I wait a couple of days for the service centre to call me, if not I call them to book it in. Occasionally they say stuff like “The dingle-flange compressor pully strap needs replacing, are you OK for us to go ahead and do that?” and I say “yes”.
Having gone through the full gamut of having a reasonably nice car and then trying to scrimp on servicing etc, buying old knackered cars and spending more money than they're worth trying to keep them on the road etc I am now firmly in this camp.
Bought a nice enough '15 plate Golf Estate - service history showed it needed a new timing belt. Found a good VW indy and just got it done. Have been taking it there ever since for all its servicing needs etc. Sure there are cheaper ways but they're good, they spot trouble before it becomes a real issue and the car runs very nicely all the time.
Edit: after all that worrying we returned home fine. After unpacking, Mrs k has just popped out and dragged the side of it along a bollard exiting a car park, scraping the rear door, and denting the wheel arch whilst removing the trim.
Strangely, I’m not bothered 😀
If you want your cars to be “work well”, build a decent relationship with a garage you can trust
So you don't care too much about cars - that's fine, no-one needs to. But you're telling me to run my cars in a way that satisfies YOU, not a way that satisfies ME.
If you want your cars to be “work well”, build a decent relationship with a garage you can trust
I've not yet found such a place. That's why I started sorting them out myself. I got fed up of garages. Also, they cost money. In any case, I replaced my old car precisely to break free of this kind of problem - seems it hasn't worked very well.
Put it this way. If you went into a bike shop looking for a decent bike, and you ended up spending 50% more than you wanted on something that should have been great, but instead you find there's a mysterious grinding sound coming from somewhere and the rebound is always a bit too fast, would you just shrug your shoulders and ignore it?
If this car had been spot on straight away, there'd have been no issue. I don't make this stuff up. But there's a rattling noise from the transmission. It could be a £5k job to rebuild or replace the transmission. Wouldn't you be concerned? If you bought a premium automatic car and the shifting is a bit crap, wouldn't you care? Wouldn't you think something was up?
So basically, the conversation is now how molgrips shouldn't be molgrips, because being molgrips is bad? Ok got it!
I knew I’d posted too soon for it seems the pendulum has swung back to…
Thats the limit of my thoughts on engine mounts. In common with 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the population, I’d guess
I had the bonnet up yesterday and when I saw that the engine seemed a little more "lively" than I'd have expected at tickover I thought "hmm, engine mounts?".
So that'll throw your numbers off a bit.
Yes, of course I'd want those things sorted, but the way I do it, is 1. If I can fix it myself cheaply and efficiently is do that, If for whatever reason, be that time, money ill-spent, or knowledge I can't do it*, the 2. let some-one who knows what they're doing and who's job it is do do those things, worry about it for me.
What you seem to do, is trying to second guess what's wrong, tell the person (who probably knows more than you do) what you think is wrong, (hint: they don't care overmuch about your opinion, they're just listening out of politeness) and worry some more when they tell you it's not that it's something else, and worry even more up trying to figure out if they're doing it to wind you up, or take money off you. When it's probably none of those things. If the engine mounts need changing, they'll tell you, if they don't think they need doing, they probs won't even mention it and you should stop overthinking it
It takes more effort, more time, and more stress to do it your way...than to do it my way. Plus you never have to think about engine mounts ever again. Life is too short to fill it worrying about inanimate objects that eventually you're going to dispose of...
* Of course it's fun to learn new things, and I do that as well, but ONLY if I'm certain it's within my capacity capability and I have the tools, time, space and equipment to do it, or that learning how to do something new will be worth my time and effort and I can do a good job at it, and it will be something I'll need to do again. If all of those things is going to cost me more time/stress/anxiety or worry...then off to the shop it goes.
Curse you and your nackered engine mounts, johnners!!
So basically, the conversation is now how molgrips shouldn’t be molgrips, because being molgrips is bad? Ok got it!
Never change, Molls. These threads are comedy gold 😀
So you don’t care too much about cars
I care enough that they work as advertised, my garage does a pretty good job of making sure that happens without me ever having to think about engine mounts or dimple-flange mounts and pulleys.
I hate driving Citroen Tant Pis as well, but them's the breaks
In common with 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the population, I’d guess
By my maths that means there'd likely to be only one person in the universe who cares. That then would be me. So I'm special!
I care enough that they work as advertised
Alright - Mercedes are advertised as being smooth and refined, not rough and jerky - yes?
What you seem to do, is trying to second guess what’s wrong
Hang on, first you said that you'd change it yourself if there's something wrong - but how do you know if you don't try and figure out what's wrong yourself? So you are doing the same as me, in fact?
If the engine mounts need changing, they’ll tell you
Ah no, this is the warranty department of a dealer. If the engine mounts do need changing, they'll want to try and persuade me they don't so they don't have to do anything.
you should stop overthinking it
So I should accept something that's not working properly?
And here's the last thing...If it does all go wrong the worst thing ...The absolute very worst thing that will happen is that the car will stop going and you'll end up at the side of the road waiting to be picked up and you'll be inconvenienced for a couple of hours tops, and your CC will take a hit. No one will die there won't be a ball of flames, it'll just a bit annoying...It's not worth the effort of 12 pages of "Things I diagnosed incorrectly about my new car, including (but not limited to) engine mounts and a funny noise coming from [waves hand vaguely at the middle of the car/] here-ish"
I know it's not going to be a dangerous failure.
It’s not worth the effort of 12 pages of “Things I diagnosed incorrectly about my new car, including (but not limited to) engine mounts and a funny noise coming from [waves hand vaguely at the middle of the car/] here-ish”
Why do you assume I'm incorrect?
Why do you think that a funny noise from the engine is not a problem?
I think you just want to argue with me at this point. Starting this thread wasn't 'effort', by the way.
So I should accept something that’s not working properly?
If it's not working, rock up to garage, tell them "It's not working" hand over the keys and do something more useful with your time.
Why do you assume I’m incorrect?
Are you a Mercedes specialist? Do you have an intimate knowledge of their gearboxes? If the answer is NO to either or both of those things, then your worries are over...for there are people that are, and will help you by fixing your car for you
I think you just want to argue with me at this point
It's either this, or [points at computer/] the giant Rota spreadsheet for the clinicians that I really have to get on with...
Put it this way. If you went into a bike shop looking for a decent bike, and you ended up spending 50% more than you wanted on something that should have been great, but instead you find there’s a mysterious grinding sound coming from somewhere and the rebound is always a bit too fast, would you just shrug your shoulders and ignore it?
I'd not have been buying a new bike the day before I was going on holiday because I'd broken a suspension bolt tinkering with my current bike and had debating taking it anyway with only 1 side of the swing arm attached...
I do think there is some truth that you're looking for faults. You've bought a second hand car from a supermarket, it won't be perfect, and that'll be emphasised even more as you seem to have an almost mythical view as to how a Merc should feel.
My (wife's) car makes all kind of strange noises, but I don't have the energy, knowledge or skills to worry about them so if it sounds bad the garage fixes it, if it doesn't I turn the radio up.
Serious question molgrips how many Mercs have you been in? They are no where near as good as they used to be ( or maybe the other brands have pulled up their socks).
My neighbour has just got a brand new one and I can tell by the clunk it makes the hand brake is sticking he knows it too. They are not the premium car I remember. Also things get worn out very quickly it appears on modern cars plastic parts ect.
It will NEVER be as good as you want it to be as that's how the brain works. Spannering on it yourself will be horrible compared to the VW.
Bite the bullet and get to dealers for a full service/inspection as I suspect your not taking it back now
Good luck
If it’s not working, rock up to garage, tell them “It’s not working” hand over the keys and do something more useful with your time.
They said 'yeah it is'.
how many Mercs have you been in?
Quite a few, lots of taxis in Scandinavia and Europe as well as the UK. I don't remember noticing hesitant or jerky shifting in any of them. Lots of VAG DSGs too. The only car I noticed anything like that was an A5 taxi in Sweden, it had a bit of hesitation on shifting like my Passat does. I've driven a fancy Jag, that was crisp and smooth as anything, likewise BMW.
You're right, my expectations could be too high which was the original point of the thread.
TCW said it needed a software update so they said take it to MB at their expense, which is decent of them. If MB agree it's normal then it's definitely me that's wrong. They're not likely to say 'yeah Mercs aren't that good any more'.
or [points at computer/] the giant Rota spreadsheet for the clinicians that I really have to get on with
Would this be the only rota in health care that's not a "copy 'n paste", mate favouring, illogical grouping of badly allocated resources, then? 🙂
Thing is, as I think molgrips alludes to, once you are more mechanically aware than just knowing which is the front and back of a car, you end up trying to at least get an idea of the problem before you throw your wallet at a main dealer.
It has been known for rascals to tell customers that the fault is in the dingle-flange compressor pully strap when it's actually in the much cheaper tickle nipple flapper blaster.
So I should accept something that’s not working properly?
No obviously not. You should do something about it. I thought the main issue was the sunglasses holder and that had been sorted, but I haven't really been following the thread that closely. There are other problems too?
There are other problems too?
Of course there are other other problems, this is Mol's car, it will have problems* until the heat death of the Sun
*well, apart from the lack of a proper receptacle for sun glasses there's nothing wrong with it per se...but you know....Engine mounts!
It has been known for rascals to tell customers that the fault is in the dingle-flange compressor pully strap when it’s actually in the much cheaper tickle nipple flapper blaster.
I did think of that, but then they offered me the keys to the mighty Tant Pis and all my worries melted away...
I am a bit confused now, because I thought you said you'd taken it to an independent Mercedes specialist and they said there was nothing wrong with it?
I'd defend Mols right to be an anxious fault finder, sign of a perfectionist that is, not sure it's being particularly productive at the minute but it's not uncommon to obsess a bit with car noises.
The engine mount has me confused a bit, there would be a warning light for that surely? and the engine would be visibly moving excessively on start up? easy to check I would have thought, perhaps good advice is check before posting on the forum?
Only thing I know about engine mounts(Audi) is when I last needed one the symptom was not what you would expect(for me anyway) when stopping at traffic lights the engine would drop revs and almost stall then pick up again, no idea what the connection to the engine mount was but it showed on the computer thing and my trusty mechanic fixed it for not much.
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I am a bit confused now, because I thought you said you’d taken it to an independent Mercedes specialist and they said there was nothing wrong with it?
Tsssk, you are NOT paying attention.
Moly has since diagnosed a high probability of engine mountitis to go with sans sun glasses holder and grindy/wonky DMF/gearbox etc.
I want to know when the full disassembly is scheduled for as I enjoyed that episode in the life of the mighty Passat.
People need to remember Moly is that unfortunate combo of worrier/perfectionist/tight arse/DIYer which means he'll always be wound up by this sort of thing.
I recognise the attributes as I'm one too 😕
but it’s not uncommon to obsess a bit with car noises.
I think that we should all chip in and buy Molls something French. Maybe a twelve year old Renault Megane (if there are any left that haven’t fallen apart) then sit back and watch him go out of his mind 😂
Has it still not been returned ?
The paranoia exhibited suggests you should rent with warrenty
when stopping at traffic lights the engine would drop revs and almost stall then pick up again
Interesting. The rattle I get is like when you brake to a stop in a manual car and don't put the clutch in early enough.
My 2003 volvo had active engine mounts
Mybe mols mb also has this technical wizardry. Up to 1500 rpm they mounts are soft, then by magic they go hard all on their own. Its the work of the devil i tell ye.
Ok, so its got 245k on it and the top moumt needed a rebuild with silicone sealant but the active lowrs still work
What TR said. Just lease a car and save your energy for something else
I think that we should all chip in and buy Molls something French. Maybe a twelve year old Renault Megane (if there are any left that haven’t fallen apart) then sit back and watch him go out of his mind 😂
I think rather than French, I think he should have to spend a month with an Austin Allegro, he won't need to take his sun glasses off ever, or the fake beard and the rest of the disguise.
Interesting. The rattle I get is like when you brake to a stop in a manual car and don’t put the clutch in early enough.
When do you get the rattle? as far as I know you will only notice an engine mount when you make the engine move, ie. start and stop.
It happens when the start/stop works too, and when the revs drop like just before the tranny declutches.
It happens when the start/stop works too, and when the revs drop like just before the tranny declutches.
Sounds like it could be an engine mount but it could also be a heat shield with 3 rotted screws rattling(every car gets one sooner or later) or an exhaust bracket or whatever.
does the car shake slightly when it does it? this would indicate the weight of the engine moving on the mounts.
I think what you do is get someone to start the car while you watch the engine, do it a few times and see if you can locate where the noise is coming from, there should be a bit of movement but not excessive or rattles, I did this once years ago after a persistent rattle and found a screwdriver that had fallen into the engine bay.
I really don't follow this logic, Mols. You're one of the sensible ones.
You had a shit car that the entire forum aside from you has known was shit and has been telling you was shit for at least the last five years.
You finally replaced it with another shit car.
And yet you didn't replace it, you still kept the old shit car?!
How much has this laudable attempt at frugality actually cost you so far in parts, labour, stress, worry and your own time, and what could you have bought with the money you've spunked up the wall in the interim instead? You've had more "what's wrong with my car" threads than the rest of the forum put together. It's a false economy mate, it's just not worth it.
If I were you I'd cut your losses, sell the pair of them, buy something less shit with the proceeds plus the £500(+VAT?) you were going to spend on buying new wheels for a shit car, and go enjoy spending some time with your family rather than under the bonnet covered in engine oil.
Tedious in extremis.
I ran an E320 estate for 13 years and eventually got rid last year as I wasn't going to run two German luxo-barges having acquired an A8; top tip, based on that ownership and experience, is...find a good indy specialist - they will save you more than you spend with them.
Let them do the thinking for you as they have *a little* more experience than you
Is Merc paranoia a recognised medical condition? If yes, you have it; if no, it should be.
Mate, in the face of so much sound advice in multiple posts why are you insistent on trying to shovel shit uphill?
Make up your mind about what you want to do - then JFDI.