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Have you any plans to take it all apart yet?
**** no. I'm done with that. There's a chance I may swap wheels or something like that, or smarten up the interior, but I'm not getting involved again. Its a curse. You listen for every tiny noise, and you want to do everything because it's there and you decide it needs doing. And given I made a few mistakes I start to worry if the noises are because of a mistake I've made. It's frankly awful, and it leads to me doing stuff to the car the day before a holiday which is insanity. So no.
I’m not getting involved again.
Hallelujah..... He's seen the light!!
(Re the car.... Isn't there a cooling off period if you've not been allowed to test drive it?)
Seriously, if you're not happy with it and you feel there is a legitimate reason to get shot, do it! You're probably never going to be happy with it so why try and convince yourself otherwise? Frankly I'd have told them where to go and just hired a van when they said no test drives, it's been allowed for a few months now so there isn't any excuse.
it leads to me doing stuff to the car the day before a holiday which is insanity
Nah sounds fine to me. Of course it's just discs and pads on mine but still...
One thing I did notice was slught kangaroo-ing whilst trundling around a car park in 1st.
Mine took a lot of getting used to. From a stop you have to be really gentle on/off the throttle or you end up kangarooing.
Mine is the C350 3L petrol with a 7g+ box. It has over 300bhp and I get mid thirties MPG. Yours should be much much much better than that.
Apparently I can only return the car in the 30 days if there's something wrong with it. The online selling regs don't apply as technically I test drove it. For about 3 miles, but still.
It would seem to me to be well worth getting the gearbox serviced /oil change. Often neglected I believe.
They aren't run flat tyres as far as I can tell.
Apparently I can only fit 18s rather than 17s. Might be worth doing.
Apparently I can only fit 18s rather than 17s. Might be worth doing.
That would be even slimmer rubber for cushioning though?
What you are after is a smaller rim size and deeper tyre wall size. Our Ovlov rides on 225 50 17's vs Seat on 215 40 16's. The Seat is noticeably more crashy and noisy....
The idea is that bigger rims on the same car come with thinner tyres. According to the handbook the specified tyre sizes are 30/35 on 19s and 40 on 18s.
ahhh, I understand now - you have 19s currently....
Look at the tyres to see if they're marked up as runflats/RFT. My 3 series is a lot nicer with regular tyres.
Low profile to the extent we have on road cars is styling. Race/track cars don't go as low profile, there is a sweet spot and it's not 30!
Stupid tyres are a vanity thing.
Also blame Audi for a stiff ride is good handling bollocks that they've successfully peddled
Yep funnily my track car that 40/45 profile tyres and my "sports" car has 30 section tyres. Tis all fashion!
Well I just went for a drive on the A40 between Fishguard and Haverfordwest on my own, roof bars off and I have to say it's growing on me a bit.
1. The drive is remarkably good. Even the firm ride isn't so bad now I've got the tyres at the right pressures. Its firm but supple. It doesn't make you want to thrash it like a sports car but it just feels perfectly solid and secure all the time.
2. The stereo is great (the earlier problem seemed to be the Amazon music app rather than the car)
3. The aircon is also pretty good now I found the recirc button.
4. I like the column mounted gear shifter.
However still a few observations and questions.
1. I overtook someone and despite the gearbox reset thing it still didn't feel that quick.
2. Gearbox still jerky.
3. How do you enter a destination from the map on the satnav? I can put a point into my 'previous destinations' list then I have to back out and go into that list to retrieve it to navigate to it. Eh?
Ref dislike #1. Its not far off a 2 tonne car with the smaller 4 cylinder engine. It wont be a rocketship (You are pushing the throttle past the 'click' of the kickdown switch to overtake, arent you?)
HEADLINE!
New car feels different to old car shocker!
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Oh and, based off my experience with my similar car, then yes I think you'll find its a grower, and over time you might appreciate the subtle qualities and things it does well. Column shifter is great as you say and allows for a nice useful centre console.
(Family camping trip next week, where mine always makes me smile, still drives well fully loaded up, loads of storage, still rides correctly due to the self levelling, it as a ~600 mile range due to the long range tank being fitted, its got a good steror, very good HVAC etc etc....).
Apparently I can only return the car in the 30 days if there’s something wrong with it.
Did you start this thread to tell us about your fully working new car?
It's been a while since I owned an S212 and it depends on whether you own a APS50 or comand Sat Nav but I remember it wasn't difficult to load a destination or previous destination. I presume - as a male - you havent got/read the manual yet? The eariler APS50 didnt load full postcodes which was a pain but yours should load a full postcode. Also have you tried the voice commands instead?
Its not far off a 2 tonne car with the smaller 4 cylinder engine. It wont be a rocketship
It says on the internet that 0-60 is 7.2s compared to my old car at 9.8 it should feel loads quicker, shouldn't it? I booted it past a 50mph car and was doing about 70 by the time I pulled back in. Would have expected similar from my old car.
Re the manual, I do for car stuff but the satnav manuals are so appallingly slow to read I haven't had time yet. I tried voice to call my wife when my phone had somehow been disconnected. Rather than saying "oh your phone's disconnected" it gave me a list of local POIs that sound vaguely like "Call Mrs Grips". FFS
It’s not going to be breathtakingly fast in a car weighing approaching 2 tonnes.
I’ve got an XF Sportbrake that weighs 1.7 tonnes with a 250ps 2 litre petrol lump with an 8 speed gearbox. It’s quick but not mind bogglingly so. The 250cdi has less power than the XF but a chunk more torque.
Think the 0-60 times are 6.8 vs about 8 seconds for yours - but the mid range pull of that diesel should be better I’d have thought - particularly from low revs.
I tried voice to call my wife
Do any voice activation in any car work ever?
How do you enter a destination from the map on the satnav?
Count yourself lucky, I drove a Peugeot around for a few days a couple of years back and the Satnav would only except Street names, didn't recognise postcodes at all!
1. I overtook someone and despite the gearbox reset thing it still didn’t feel that quick.
2. Gearbox still jerky.
I can't speak for Mercs but after a reset the gearbox adaptation on a BMW takes a couple of hundred miles to settle in.
3. The aircon is also pretty good now I found the recirc button.
> -- The pollen filter might not have been changed (almost certain)
oh and on a work colleagues s/h mercs over the years the main dealers never changed the Air or pollen filters unless they were quick/easy to access.
Clogged air filters might be a source of limited performance.
I think they are inside the top engine cover and need about 25 screws to undo,
there might be 2 paper filters.
You could probably do these on your vacation if there is a motor factor nearby.
2. Gearbox still jerky.
> --- just not right.
AMG CLS: Another Mol Grips Cartastrophic Loss Story?
😅😅😅😅 nice acronym
0 to 60 isn't really relevant its 30 to 80 where it's at!
On my C-wagen with the 7G-Tronic+ it depends on what mode setting you use. I mostly just drive in C or E for long distance motorway driving on cruise, but for overtaking I'll move into S+ or i* as it doesn't need to decide to change down several gears.
If you've got COMAND then you should be able to choose address or post code in Navi.
I also changed from Hankook to Cross Climate+, the tyres have lasted twice as long to date with plenty of life left, and they're much more reassuring in rain and in winter.
But being a Merc, main dealer servicing is not cheap, I'm weighing up the advantage of having Merc European rescue against cheaper bills, I suspect that on it's next service I'll go for the cheaper bill.
Guessing it’s not Ulez compliant either ?
How do you enter a destination from the map on the satnav?
Do people actually use their cars Sat nav? Aren’t they all just varying degrees of shite?
Surely you’re better off just sticking your phone on the dash on one of those mounts that cost a fiver from any garage and loading Google maps?
I only have eco, sport and manual gearbox modes.
Surely you’re better off just sticking your phone on the dash on one of those mounts that cost a fiver from any garage and loading Google maps?
Not usually.
- They fall off occasionally
- If you don't want a flat battery you need to either wire in a plug or trail wires all over the dash
- Music doesn't get muted when it pipes up
- Phone is in a more distracting line of sight
- Built in sat navs have a simplified display by the dials and a full map in the centre
- Built ins also are designed to be operated whilst driving so you (in theory, practice isn't always like this, looking at you Hyundai) don't need to stab at a touch screen whilst trying to keep your eyes on the road
I've done both for ages, I definitely prefer built-in. That said:
- it's not worth the £1500 optional extra really, back in the day when it wasn't standard
- Google maps is good and updates are free
Built ins also are designed to be operated whilst driving
I think I know why you can't program the destination in...try it stopped.
Act in haste, repent at leisure...
Do people actually use their cars Sat nav?
Yup. The one in my S213 Merc is genuinely good. Responsive, live traffic info powered by TomTom, displayed on a 12” screen and HUD. Option to use Apple CarPlay for Waze or Other alternatives.
Far better than a mobile in a cradle.
Sat nav in the wifes kia is excellent.
I’ve done both for ages, I definitely prefer built-in. That said:
– it’s not worth the £1500 optional extra really, back in the day when it wasn’t standard
– Google maps is good and updates are free
I prefer the built in screen but I have CarPlay and I like the simplicity of the Apple Maps satnav so works perfectly for me.
Because this forum has always been great when people are struggling I'm willing to take one on the chin and help out Molgrips with a once in a lifetime offer.
Basically I'll do you a straight swop for your unsuitable, unlovable, bought on the spur of the moment Mercedes for the entire RNP fleet of vehicles!
This includes;
2007 Transit van with towbar. Awesome towing ability with free caravan entry to Appleby Horse Fair for the annual staycation. With some myopic eyesight it could be become an Instagram shitting-in-a-layby vanlife camper.
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Also includes a 2004 Golf Tdi. One careful owner then lots who didn't give a **** about it. Our dog likes it though. Includes enough dog hair to make a life size replica of Bert or knit some underpants with.
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Lastly, also includes a 2004 Volvo V70 in as new/timewarp/barnfind condition. Cavernous boot for hotdog munching trips to Ikea, dogging orgies and transporting bikes. Wipe clean leather seats for those inevitable hotdogs spills.
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All three cars are from an era when they could be fixed with large percussive tools and a range of expletives. You are almost certainly guaranteed too have at least one working the day before a major family holiday.
When you are next coaxing a teenager into your car to set the satnav or crashing through potholes with your drug dealing wheelz have a think and let me know.
^ Bargain of the century ^
Accept quickly before RNP comes to his senses !!
What a solution...
Regarding the Sat Nav I had a 2015 Seat bought at a year old, the post code sat Nav had never been used. Foreign cars especially German cars in Europe don’t use Post Codes for their navigation. I thought there was no Post Code option. Mrs Inbred found the option, you need to click on the town/city option then a post code option pops onto the screen.
Get the autobox serviced, find a good transmission specialist that has a diffusion gearbox oil system. There is a popular misconception that these boxes are sealed for life and don’t need servicing, they do and should. Lastly get the filters and fluids changed and treat it to a few tanks of V power fuel. By that time you’ll have got used to it and hopefully have more trust in it.
RNP I'll take all those plus ten grand.
Well I'm areally getting used to it. I think the issues with the gearbox were down to the mode. I'd assumed S was sport mode and I didn't want to go down that route, but apparently it means 'standard' and having given it a brief try it feels more like what I'd expect. More pleasing to drive for sure. Engine smoothness also seems to be improving with the driving we're doing, perhaps it's getting a good clean out and I've added some engine cleaner. The previous average MPG was at 28 so either the last owner was ragging it or trundling round down. Suspect the latter.
There are 18 and 17 inch wheel options listed in the book as well as 19. If I get 17s the tyres are loads cheaper and you can get more energy efficient options. In 18 and 19 they are only performance options.
Loads of 17 inch options on eBay but finding the right parameters is tricky, and I'm conscious it's a downgrade in most people's eyes so might affect resale value.
I can go from 285/30R19 rear and 255/35R19 front to 285/35R18 rear and 255/40R18, or I can go to 245/45R17 on both. Hmm.
Then keep both sets, put cross climates on, call them winter wheels and the resale is improved
RNP I’ll take all those plus ten grand.
You do realise I'm doing you a favour here????🤷🏼♂️
I think S is Snow mode not Sport! Starts in 2nd and changes early.
No, it does that in E mode which is eco. It doesn't rev its nuts off in S mode, it just drives pretty reasonably and smoothly like I would. But in Eco mode it keeps the revs even lower, starts in 2nd and doesn't like changing down, which is a bit annoying on hilly roads.
But in Eco mode it keeps the revs even lower, starts in 2nd and doesn’t like changing down, which is a bit annoying on hilly roads
That was always the issue with the old auto boxes. They'd change up rapidly, refuse to change down unless kicking down and then always be off the turbo in TD cars. That's before the manual changing we have now. I didn't buy a TD auto for ~20 years after a particularly unpleasant trip to the Alps due to this.
Good luck with the motah. Looking forward to the obvious dissasembly/Repair Shop episodes avec Moly 👍
gearbox oil is due something like 80k on the 7G+
make sure it has been done, its critical unless you want a very large bill later
check the digital service history on the mymercedes website
I find E mode fine, and a world away from old autos, but then I might have more power and torque.
How come there's nowhere to put your sunglasses in this thing? Sort it out Mercedes.
check the digital service history on the mymercedes website
Can I do this myself? Don't I need some kind of code for this? Can I get said code?
Do people actually use their cars Sat nav? Aren’t they all just varying degrees of shite?
The one in the Mini I just bought is OK. It'll search (like Google) anything really and have a stab at finding it for you, instant traffic updates, re-routes all that stuff. and it's built in, so no messing about with cradles and power leads.
Can I do this myself? Don’t I need some kind of code for this? Can I get said code?
yep
I think I just went on the site https://me.secure.mercedes-benz.com/
I can't remember what I did exactly to register.
You have to poke around the terrible website a bit, but you are looking for "digital service booklet" or "digital service report" and you can download PDFs showing every interaction with Mercedes dealers and specialists that use the system.
How come there’s nowhere to put your sunglasses in this thing? Sort it out Mercedes.
Should be a hinged pocket in the housing where the rear view mirror is.
Should be a hinged pocket in the housing where the rear view mirror is.
First place I looked, but no. Just a load of buttons for turning off various alarm related functions.
How come there’s nowhere to put your sunglasses in this thing? Sort it out Mercedes
I think you should be more focused on changing the gearbox oil before you discover the small gearbox issues are about to be a second write off lying in the drive.
’m conscious it’s a downgrade in most people’s eyes so might affect resale value.
A) You could keep the old ones and put them back on.
B) You won't do any of that anyway. Resale value is an irrelevance, you'll just run it into the floor.
Buy new wheels. Sell old wheels. You'll likely turn a profit.
I think you should be more focused on changing the gearbox oil
Odd thing to say. I can't post observations about the rest of the car until the gearbox oil is changed? Whyever not?
Stop posting on here when you should be changing your gearbox oil, you ****less loser.
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RNP - that was one of the funniest posts on here for some time, thnaks
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RNP - I'll take the V70, but the best I can offer in return is a collection of antique hammers with loose heads and a bag of worn-out imperial spanners. They might help you fix your other cars, though.
You've got to love the ensuite chemi-khazi.
Odd thing to say. I can’t post observations about the rest of the car until the gearbox oil is changed? Whyever not?
Forgive me, the ongoing saga of your automotive adventures has become my evening entertainment, just today I was thinking 'I wonder if he found a place to put his sunglasses'.
Bout a year ago I drove an Audi estate, my mechanic said I needed a belt thing in the engine, needs done very soon, drive carefully until, I promised to then immediately forgot and roasted it along the motorway, and it blew up, not like an explosion, more like a few bangs then some weird high pitched squeeky stuff, big puff of smoke then..silence, just a bit paranoid about that sort of thing, I'm sure it will be fine, just enjoy the sunglasses compartment search.
It's definitely not there.
There is however a chunky thing behind the rear view mirror that looks like it would contain camera or radar sensor for variable cruise control, which was an option on the car; and when I look in I can clearly see a camera lens. However such a feature is not available in any of the menus in the car and cruise appears to work as traditional cruise.
That chunky thing could also house sensors/camera for auto variable wipers, auto high beam control amount other things.
The area behind the rear view mirror will house the auto windscreen wiper sensor and a 2013 eclass could have auto dimming lights, plus traffic sign recognition but the radar cruise control sensors are in the bumper.
Ah yeah, auto dimming. That might explain why it looks like a cheap dashcam rather than a radar sensor.
Imperial spanners you say - hmmmm.
My collection of 1/4” Whitworths is one of my most prized possessions
Have you ever thought your car might be suffering from depression?
I think it’s picking up on your relentlessly negative attitude towards it and your overly critical condemnation of its actions when it’s simply trying its best. Deep down it knows that whatever it does will never be good enough.
In all honesty, Molls, you’re a monster
Our chunky thing with cameras by the mirror is also the anti crash while under 30mph sensor. This in Ovlov.
Molls the monster.
I've seen a few black dogs in cars but never a black car with depression.
17 or 18inch prozac
Is there a compartment for the guns -its a shooting brake after all and not an estate car.
Perhaps there would be space there for your sunnies. Since I'm sure as an urbanite you haven't any guns to carry.
Have you ever thought your car might be suffering from depression?
He'll have to call it Marvin.
I quite like it now I've figured out what was going on.
We’ll don’t tell us, tell Marvin. Then give him a hug and apologise for being so horrid.
It might be too late. You may be looking at years of therapy
I quite like it now I’ve figured out what was going on.
Did you put your sunnies in the boot?
Glad the box is working out, was driving my dad's auto Vivaro yesterday, was a lot more pleasant when put into manual mode.
The actual changes are still clunky at times but I'll get that looked at. Now I know what E mode is actually doing I understand. And also I can use the manual paddle to kick down if I want, or if I want a first gear start, without having to change modes.
I can't wait to see how long those tyres last. When they wear down I'll consider some new wheels. However I may hold onto the 19s in the belief that it might sell better with them on.
However I may hold onto the 19s in the belief that it might sell better with them on.
It will and it would sell even better with 20s.
However I may hold onto the 19s in the belief that it might sell better with them on.
It will and it would sell even better with 20s.
...and an obvious holder for sunglasses 😉 🙂