[Closed] So I find myself veering toward UKIP....

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Someone will be along soon to label you a closet racist.

This ^^ is what I thought.....

Edit - responding to lazy bike.....

Far too xenophobic, homophobic for my liking, shame as I like some of their policies.

Someone will be along soon to [s]label you a closet racist[/s] assign you a place to stand against the wall come the revolution.

FTFY

Doesn't matter who you vote for at the next election Britain is ****ed 🙁

Lol. Good luck with closet racist. Although I understand. I think though there's nothing wrong with being patriotic to the point that immigrant must support themselves and arnt accepted by default to be supported by my taxes.

Double post

That that twit Farage visited Murdoch shows he is just like all the rest.

My Parents live in Eastleigh ward, and they encountered the real UKIP on the streets, found them to be quite rude and intimidating when they wouldn't agree with them. Not pleasant at all. My mum, who sees good in most people, called them thugs.

supported by my taxes.

Got any tips how not to lazybike? 🙂

A quick read of UKIP's cycling policies should set you straight.

Ukip=posh bnp

I think though there's nothing wrong with being patriotic to the point that immigrant must support themselves and arnt accepted by default to be supported by my taxes.

Which 'immigrants' are accepted by default? Do you mean citizens from fellow EU member states?

what we need is a political party that doesn't have any firm policies or beliefs and just asks us what we all think as they go along. kind of like what the liberals were meant to do, only with a good twitter monkey.

Jimw - well if your mum doesn't like them, that should be good enough for the rest of us.

Glad all that's dealt with. Forget reasoned debate, Jim's maw disnae like them.

Yes that. I appreciate there is more too it, but too many abuse the system whilst I stoically contribute to the pot. Maybe that's my fault for not learning a few tax dodges.

birney29

well, that's big of you to insult an 80 year old who has no way of answering you back

I echo "Kona TC" sentiments above, i truly believe that unless you are in the very upper few percentage wealth earning/accumulator bracket in this country in the coming decades then it will only get more difficult to sustain our current level of lifestyle and expectations - everything at the moment is being screwed down to the 9'th degree regarding expenditure on services and resources for the 95% despite the upper 5% of society accumulating ever increasing vast wealth reserves since the end of the 1950's - either we have a true revolution in this country and the further western world regarding our current economic model of capitalism or it's all going to the dogs in our lifetime.

C'mon the revolution...............solidarity brothers! 😀

Jimw- if you bring her opinion into it as some sort of implied evidence of ukips skulduggery, why should I give the proverbial rats ass what age she is?

because at best its a protest vote

and their little englander issues aside, homophobia, sexism etc
their basic desire to leave the EU would INCREASE red tape when trading with europe, wtf would we want to do that?

and the rest of their policies are a joke, well their science policy is anyway
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/apr/27/ukip-science-policy-election

pro homeopathy too!

climate change denial
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2012/10/nigel-farage-on-any-questions

oh yeah and tax discs for bicycles

http://road.cc/content/forum/77338-ukip-policies-bikes

Got any tips how not to lazybike?

It is a lazy mistake to see UKIP as racist, just because most of the people who support them are racist, folks tend to assume they are all racist.

Yes that. I appreciate there is more too it, but too many abuse the system whilst I stoically contribute to the pot. Maybe that's my fault for not learning a few tax dodges.

Far more 'British' people abuse the benefit system, the NHS etc. Perhaps we could start with them? How about chatting to the ECGD, who you also fund, about their support of British interests in turkey which led and still leads to the persecution and murder of Kurds who quite often end up here as migrants?

I was ready to support them with my vote until I read they support blood sports. Sod the economy save the foxes.

Surely the reason that UKIP are getting the support they are is down to the absolute failure of the mainstream parties (Tories / Labour) to even pretend to have relevance to / give a rat's ar$e about the majority of the electorate?

to / give a rat's ar$e about the majority of the electorate?

And why don't they vote?

i really dont want to violate godwin, BUT

there is a precedent for demonising foreigners when the economy is going down the pan,

and i really dont want to sound like an arrogant snob (but know I am)but it seems to be the default position of lazy tabloids, racists and thick people

kimbers - correct!

Cani just ask which end you are veering from? I mean if you are veering from a more racist, xenophobic, homophobic, small-minded and idiotic partyor plitical stance, then good for you!

People I work/socialise with are talking about them more and more. Interesting Theresa May tonight saying the torys will scrap the Euro Human rights legislation if they win the next election. A good move imo.

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/not-enough-bickering-about-politics-on-the-forum-of-late

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Kyrton.
Do you have figures to suggest more "immigrants" are abusing the system, claiming benefits etc than the British population? As a percentage? Genuine question.

to the point that immigrant must support themselves and arnt accepted by default to be supported by my taxes.

You realise non-UK nationals claim far less in benefits than UK nationals do? Immigrants coming here to claim benefits is a myth.

Almost every problem seems to have been blamed on immigration at somepoint, high house prices, lack of jobs, benefits bill too high blah blah etc.

Why don't people MTFU and say what they really mean, they just don't like seeing foreign people moving into their town.

We need a "None of theAbove" option at elections.

The lack of any controlling party/majority in Belgium doesn't seem to have done them any harm - in fact the few I have contact with have never known the country run so well. At the end of the day it's generally the same civil servants doing the work but with no party politics dictating how, it all seems to just work.

Horatio, you have any figures, I totally agree with you, but as I said before I'm interested to see some numbers.

in the coming decades then it will only get more difficult to sustain our current level of lifestyle and expectations

All the baby boomers will die eventually and then we'll be all right - blame them, with their vitamins, and their NHS and their life expectancy and their pensions that are worth money... Their stony reluctance to succumb gracefully to old age is the main reason why the P in GDP is the only one of the numbers going up, not immigration.

unfortunately these are the people who vote, despite not knowing it has about as much influence or importance in the era of popular centralism as voting on big brother. This is why you can't vote in a general election via text.

Ironically a good old fashioned land based war would boost production and bring population down to a more affordable level - so watch out for that idea from UKIP, or maybe the liberals.

We need a "None of theAbove" option at elections.

I keep saying it - ballot papers (and even poling stations) should not display the political affinity of the candidates - if they can't make you remember their name - they're not worth a vote. If you can remember their name - they're accountable.

I'm not demonising foreigners. Fwiw yossarian probably has a point. But we all know that the previous governments immigration policy led to mass stated funding to support it.

My view of immigration is this: if I'm expected to not drink in the street without punishment, or steal without risking my hand being chopped off, of receive lifetime inprisonment for drug trafficing in other countries, then anyone migration here should be prepared to, and be enforced to obey our laws and respect our culture. Feel free to celebrate your own without impacting on mine. I don't give a monkeys what colour you are or religion you practice, just respect our way of life, as we are expected to do.

Fwiw on the flip side of the coin I believe "we" should do this too. Trying to westernise places, turning falaraki in a den of laddism and sexual conduct for example pisses me right off.

I can't find the DWP report! I had it earlier, something like 6.5% of non-uk nationals claim benefits, compared to around 16% of UK nationals.

HoratioHufnagel - Member
to the point that immigrant must support themselves and arnt accepted by default to be supported by my taxes.
You realise non-UK nationals claim far less in benefits than UK nationals do? Immigrants coming here to claim benefits is a myth.

Your last statement is untrue. MIL deals with that as a job, and the stories about the deciept, but ALSO the shambolic ease in which the government will release funds astounds me.

Let's scare Middle England (still not sure where that is):

http://www.****/news/article-2252675/Were-way-Britain-In-year-29-million-Romanians-Bulgarians-right-settle-Britain-claim-benefits-And-gipsy-community-hardly-wait-here.html

I vote out.

Yes, it might be painful to vote UKIP but that can be sorted out later on internally but the EU thingy it is ****ed. Staying longer means more mess to sort out later as there are more mouths to feed.

If a country cannot take control of it's border then what's the point of a country?

If you really want to be liberal then let Asia join. Open the door.

p/s: back to watching Skyline ... WTF ... what stupid ending is that? Going on the cheap with lousy animation ...

well, they are the third party now http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/09/ukip-opinium-observer-opinion-poll

Had to laugh today, reading the herald (in Scotland) and they are chasing the idea that Scotland will be the 3rd richest country in the eu, and as so will be expected today mega tax. Making a negative out of a positive? Typical.

Bawbags.

"As at February 2011, 16.6% of working age UK nationals were claiming a DWP working age benefit compared to 6.6% of working age non-UK nationals (at the time they first registered for a National Insurance Number) (resident working age UK population figures based on country of birth 2010, ONS). Claimants who were non-UK nationals when they registered for a NINo may of course subsequently have become permanent residents or British citizens"

Page 4

STATISTICS.DWP.GOV.UK "http://statistics.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/adhoc_analysis/2012/nat_nino_regs.pdf"

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/02/the-myth-of-the-immigrant-benefit-scrounger/

OP, sleep on it and it will soon pass.

Immigrants coming here to claim benefits is a myth.

UKIP policy as it stands would require that we pull out of the UN - I can't see that being a good idea in the long run - we would join a list of three countries (Kosovo, The Vatican and Taiwan) which are not members...

Nobeerinthefridge - Member

Had to laugh today, reading the herald (in Scotland) and they are chasing the idea that Scotland will be the 3rd richest country in the eu, and as so will be expected today mega tax. Making a negative out of a positive? Typical.

3rd richest country ... LOL! Wait until they get gang-banked to feed EU ...

Better still, abolish political parties, they emphasise ideology and power dynamics over managing the country for the benefit of the people. Just an apolitical management committee, voted in for a fixed term.

Having a 'manager' instead of politicians in charge of Italy seems to have brought some much-needed stability.

The thing that worries me about UK at the moment is that Tories are supposed to be good at managing economic matters, but they don't seem to be delivering right now (although I don't know how we're benchmarking their performance tbh - and in any case France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy are in a worse state than us).

IMO we've just come to a point in the cycle where our historic advantages of early industrialisation, rule of law and strong, stable institutions are no longer giving us relative advantage so we need to find new advantages if we want continued economic growth. It's nothing to do with Labour or Tory policies really, more likely globalisation...

Globalisation also makes the idea of the geographically-limited nation-state less relevant. I have more in common with my Finnish, German, Italian colleagues than I do with most British people... maybe the nation-state is no longer relevant?

I challenge anyone to post a convincing argument to vote Labour or Conservative right now.

I challenge anyone to post a convincing argument to vote Labour or Conservative right now.

It'll keep UKIP out.

I challenge anyone to post a convincing argument to vote Labour [u][b]or[/b][/u] Conservative right now.

Hmmm. After researching some if the points here I find myself back as a non voter again.

“If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.”

Better still, abolish political parties, they emphasise ideology and power dynamics over managing the country for the benefit of the people. Just an apolitical management committee, voted in for a fixed term.

you say this as though it would exist in some kind of objective vacuum - your suggestion has attached to it a very specific ideological position, I'm sure you will deny this is the case, but it's true.

Any management committee (or civil servant, as they are known in this country) would need a set of parameters to work within in order to make the decisions you are talking about, and there are no objectively right answers, you need to decide who you **** over, that's why there are politicians in the first place.

In terms of power dynamics, far from political parties emphasising power dynamics, if you visit places without political parties, then you can see that politics then becomes the preserve of the already powerful, because only they have the ability to present themselves effectively to the electorate and get elected - without a party to help you, getting elected as a normal person is bloody hard work if you have no money.

I challenge anyone to post a convincing argument to vote Labour or Conservative right now.

Absolutely spot on - same goes for Lib Dems - however, other political parties are available.

Research or not I ain't voting for EU however I would vote for EU if I become the Dearest Leader of EU with absolute power to the hilt. I will be fair as I threat all as infestation ... maggots.

Nope, nothing to do with UKIP but rather my views that voting out means less maggots infestation.

bokonon - Member
Absolutely spot on - same goes for Lib Dems - however, other political parties are available.

I want to vote. I obviously need to look into those other parties but fail to see that my vote would end the red/blue domination as there is no competitive 3rd, 4th, 5th option which is why people like me get apathetic and don't bother.

Depends where you are as to how competitive the other parties are - there has never been a time in history when smaller parties were as competitive as they are now, there are councils in the country out of Red/Blue/Yellow control, there are MP's from outside the Red/Blue/Yellow groups and so on.

I've never voted for a winning candidate (but then I regularly stand as a candidate) and have only ever voted for Labour (or any major party) once, in a straight Labour/tory vote in the police crime commissioner elections - even then, Labour lost.

Well, you have voted in ... why not vote out to see how it will pan out?

I have voted for all the major parties in the past but most of the time voted for opposition ... Tory, Labour, LibDem, UKIP (<- all of them in circulation taking turns) but never Green as they seem to like gan*a too much.

if the Farage monkey gets in he'll just be a puppet and a scapegoat for the Eton Mafia's more unsavoury right leaning policies..

he'll get a fat pay-off for taking the blame, those folk with a streak of fascism in them will be championed in the community and the country will become an altogether more frightening place to live for folk of a gentle disposition..

the economy will still be ****ed and the island will still be populated by a varied assortment of unique individuals..

Cheers Horatio, good facts.

yunki - Member

if the Farage monkey gets in he'll just be a puppet and a scapegoat for the Eton Mafia's more unsavoury right leaning policies..

You give him too much credit ... internal problems can be sorted internally and it will be good to get some punch up (3rd world "parliamentary" style) amongst own country men/women and with a chance to get your own back. But if you in EU you will be fighting for the oxygen you breath in ... you are sure to be dead.

Why is it that the minute you become a politian that you decide to ignore what everyone who voted for you wants? My sodding MP is on some committee. He bloddy well never asked us and now he spends less time with the voters and more time arguing about something that doesn't affect us.

I'm all for UKIP splitting the Tory vote and leading to a Labour-led coalition. Yes please. All power to Nigel's elbow.

It would make naff all difference really because we'd still need to be part of the EEA or EFTA and subject to EU rules. Only with no powers to influence those rules.

Here's an example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

The whole anti EU/foreigner mindset is pretty sad... NSDAP returning

mattsccm - Member

Why is it that the minute you become a politian that you decide to ignore what everyone who voted for you wants? ...

LOL! Why do people trust politicians? Why not trust (vote) me to be your Dear Leader?

bol - Member

I'm all for UKIP splitting the Tory vote and leading to a Labour-led coalition. Yes please. All power to Nigel's elbow.

LOL! Yes, vote for La-bore and the you can kiss your low end job good bye (practically hanging yourself) because others from EU are willing to earn less, work more and eat less. Also there is a possibility that they will open the door to the "selected few" from Non-EU and in that case Non-EU wins hands down ... as they can work without sleep or food. 😆

No Checkw - you must have missed the memo, Labour are all 'send the buggers back' again now...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ed-miliband-pledges-tougher-line-on-immigration-after-past-mistakes-8521716.html

No Checkw - you must have missed the memo, Labour are all 'send the buggers back' again now...

I'm sure chewkw will be allowed to stay rattrap - no need to worry the poor guy.

Wow, lots of budding politicians on here, unsurprisingly.
I vote UKIP btw. (I don't really, but would if I could be arsed to vote for any of the other untrustworthy, lying, bent, unscrupulous bas****s that claim to have the best interests of Britain to heart.

Whoaaa Ernie! You been lying low? Haven't seen you for a while!

rattrap - Member

No Checkw - you must have missed the memo, Labour are all 'send the buggers back' again now...

Yes, that's what they said to catch the wind in their sails ... they need to be in opposition for at least 4 terms before they return again to govt. They got their chance and they blew it ... now let others have a go.

ernie_lynch - Member
I'm sure chewkw will be allowed to stay rattrap - no need to worry the poor guy.

LOL! Put it this way they need Dearest Leader to stay otherwise they will be confused with their moral cause. 🙄

The day UKIP get power is the day it becomes infinitely harder for my girlfriend to stay in the UK and.....judging by the types of people that voted in the Eastleigh election.... the day that gay people are probably lynched and strung up from trees.

So I'll leave.

Ironically a good old fashioned land based war would boost production and bring population down to a more affordable level - so watch out for that idea from UKIP, or maybe the liberals.

Eh....a war would only kill young people. The boomers aren't just gonna die then the aging population will be a thing of the past - all studies point to us suffering from an ever increasing aging population.

Some brilliant reasoning there man.

bwaarp - Member

The day UKIP get power is the day it becomes infinitely harder for my girlfriend to stay in the UK and.....judging by the types of people that voted in the Eastleigh election.... the day that gay people are probably lynched and strung up from trees.

So I'll leave.

Why not marry her now/soon if you love her? Get it over and done with? Also I doubt that will happen to gay people since UKIP themselves might be gay. Just because some people are gay do not mean they are naturally liberal ...

LOL! Yes, vote for La-bore and the you can kiss your low end job good bye (practically hanging yourself) because others from EU are willing to earn less, work more and eat less. Also there is a possibility that they will open the door to the "selected few" from Non-EU and in that case Non-EU wins hands down ... as they can work without sleep or food.

As Doug says, only if they teach your job by miming. As others have said, I have more in common with the aspirational globalized community basically I have more in common with well educated non-uk nationals.

Why should I give a **** about a bunch of white trash who pop out 5 kids and then claim benefits because their low end jobs can't cover their family expenses.

Why not marry her now/soon if you love her? Get it over and done with? Also I doubt that will happen to gay people since UKIP themselves might be gay. Just because some people are gay do not mean they are naturally liberal ...

We plan to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/oct/28/uk.eu

"Mr Kilroy-Silk also claimed he had been appalled by Ukip's decision to join the same political group in the parliament as the League of Polish Families, which was allegedly anti-semitic and racist."

and

"former UKIP member and co-author of its 2001 general election manifesto Aidan Rankin wrote: "Homophobia was one of the few forces uniting a notoriously divided party. To its brownshirt-in-blazer tendency, the dangers of Europe and the dangers of homosexuality were intertwined."

http://www.whatnextjournal.co.uk/pages/back/wnext29/ukip.html

They're dangerous, they're just a bunch of far righters hiding their personal views to gain respectability.

bwaarp - Member

Why should I give a **** about a bunch of white trash who pop out 5 kids and then claim benefits because their low end jobs can't cover their family expenses.

If you want to flourish then help them to help you.

Put it this no matter how many kids they can pop out that is the problem of the country i.e. the UK govt. It is an internal social problem and nothing to do with EU. The dirty laundries are ours so we need to wash them ourselves.

If you want to flourish then help them to help you.

Put it this no matter how many kids they can pop out that is the problem of the country i.e. the UK govt. It is an internal social problem and nothing to do with EU.

Why should I help them though? Why is it a bad thing that we're evening up wealth distribution by bringing people in who actually want these jobs? They vote for people like UKIP - people who will see to it that academics/professionals will have an impossible time getting VISA's here in the uk.....so these people are voting against my interests. Why should I vote in their interests to pull out of the EU again?

The types that vote UKIP....on the whole...are the types that vote against gay marriage, are anti-intellectual racists who will give me funny looks on the bus for dating an Asian, who drain the ****ing economy by bleeding our benefits system, who like to fly the Union Jack and like to think how great they make the country when they have had nothing to do with Britains greatness.

****ing parasites, all of them.