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Just looking at the damage to Charles and Camillas car. Fairly smashed window considering I assume it's bullet proof/protected in some way.
There must have been at least one armed officer with his hand in his dinner jacket and the sound of the click to fully automatic option in the car/van behind.
I wondered that too, there must come a point where somebody pulls a gun & fires... how far away from that were they? Must have been a few close protection guys praying it didnt go any further I think.
I know we sometimes appear to be going backwards at an alarming rate in terms of civilised behaviour, but I still reckon Britain is probably a long way off being the sort of country in which plain clothed security agents open fire on crowds because of a perceived threat to the monarch's son. Let's hope so anyway.
I would imagine the first course of action would be to fire shots in the air to disperse the crowd rather than start popping caps in asses.
not close enough.........imho
Monarchs aren't what they used to be are they? Surely there's a proud tradition in this country of the glorious leader gleefully defending oneself from the common peasantry.
In the good old days, surely Charlie would have had a handy broadsword to lop the head off any of his subjects who offended his delicate aesthetic sensibilities
Tsk. Is it any wonder the country is in the state its in
Very far away, the cops aren't daft and its not America/Russia/Africa/<insert other bandit country/region>
nb - and the Roller's probably armoured/protected
It was ok, the armed police used 'restraint' I heard it on R4 so it must be all right.
Do Charles and Camilla really get 24/7 armed protection?
I'm not so sure.
You wanted protesters shot did you Ton?
Only so that he could roast one for the xmas dinner...
not close enough.........imho
+1.
Edit: Just to add - I would agree with more robust policing for those that were trashing property if that means 'caps in asses' so be it. Why has this country gone softly softly?
As always, the Daily Mash can be relied upon. 🙂
I would imagine the first course of action would be to fire shots in the air to disperse the crowd
More likely imo to cause a panic induced stampede in which people, including children, are trampled to death.
ourkidsam.............if it were to be a threat to our future monarch, then yes.
Do Charles and Camilla really get 24/7 armed protection?I'm not so sure.
Course they do when they're in public. That's what the royal protection squad do. Esp when they're on their way to a previous announced high profile engagement (i.e. Royal Variety Performance).
Had to laugh at the Mash:
[i]The Duchess said: "I'm fine, thank you. At least the driver wasn't shit-faced."[/i]
ourkidsam.............if it were to be a threat to our future monarch, then yes.
Which it wasn't. It was Charles.
Badum....tish!
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You have to be careful firing into the air. What goes up, must come down. If you draw a weapon, it's because you need to use it.
Ernie +1
What level of threat requires summary execution? Was it the paint on the car or the cracked window?!
idiocy on behalf of the police or direct provocation to take the royal convoy into hundreds of protestors (or was the lead driver a secret republican)
i mean what better symbol of inequality and overpriveledge than our future king who failed his degree in history but had it awarded to him anyway
to taunt the protestors with
this isnt entirely unprecednted i was at uni in aberystwyth when some militant welsh students forced the queens rolls off the road when she was there to open the national library of wales
I mistakenly thought I had stumbled upon a thread of fellow republicans, and the reference was to doing the decent thing and slaying a couple of members of the sponging classes.
Sadly, there are a lot of people who get a semi at the thought of steel-minded security "personnel" killing off members of the public who were having the temerity to push back the balance of power for an afternoon.
We know whose side you lot would have been on at Peterloo...
What level of threat requires summary execution?
Well if Charles had tried to get out and kick off with the protesters then yeah, I'd have said "Take him down".
if it were to be a threat to our future monarch, then yes
There isn't enough of that sort of patriotism these days, gawd bless you mate. Like you, I see the Royal Family as [i]"My Family"[/i]. Unfortunately I reckon that pulling a gun out in a heaving chaotic crowd, and then firing shots willy-nilly during the ensuing mayhem, is rather more likely to put the heir to the throne's life in danger, than preserve it.
ourkidsam.............if it were to be a threat to our future monarch, then yes.
I don't think that the parasite and his current squeeze were under much threat do you?
Got to question the stupidity, given the particular situation, to send C+C out in a big flashy car, through an area full of people who may resort to violence. Why not use a simple inconspicuous vehicle like a mini-vayn, which would probbly have gone unnoticed?
Oh no; the Heir to the Throne simply must have a big spensive car to transport he and his good lady wife to the Thee-etter, darlings.
Pft. The nation faces uncertain times, and probable mass civil unrest, and Charles and Camilla are off to see a play. Sums up just how valid the monarchy is, really.
Its yet another thing the French are considerably better than us at. The whole Royal Family thing
The English way - Disrupt their trip to watch some second rate comedians with a bit of Paint.
The French way - Heads on spikes outside the Palace
I know which gets my vote
I would imagine the first course of action would be to fire shots in the air to disperse the crowd
They [b]should[/b] only ever open fire if they perceive an "imminent threat to human life", and kids throwing paint at an armoured car is hardly that... However, mistakes happen (bloody sunday, anyone?) and these protestors/idiots are playing with fire if they are prepared to put on this kind of performance around armed police.
Do Charles and Camilla really get 24/7 armed protection?
Yes.
if it were to be a threat to our future monarch, then yes.
Unless you look at it as a public sector cut with no massive redundancy payment.
PLUS we'd probably all get a holiday
PLUS the floral wreath industry would receive a much needed boost
AND another Elton John classsic in the making
NOT TO MENTION more conspiracy theories than a WikiLeaks show trial
They should only ever open fire if they perceive [s]an "imminent threat to human life", [/s] no reporters or cameras in the immediate vicinity and a clearly visible dark skinned target
Fixed
just a quick q..........why were some of the [s]rioters[/s] students wearing masks/hoodies/scarves to hide their faces??
because they are worried that the violent thugs in uniforms will hunt them down and persecute them for exorcising their right to protest
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I think there was probably one hand on a butt somewhere in that convoy, & I don't means Chas's on Cammie's in the back of the limmo either!
Chas on the driver ?
Chas on Dave?
or ton did u mean these guys?
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because they are worried that the [s]violent thugs in uniforms[/s] [b]civil law enforcement agencies[/b] will hunt them down and [s]persecute[/s] [b]prosecute[/b] them for exorcising their right to [s]protest[/s][b]commit criminal damage and assault members of the civil law enforcement agencies[/b]
fixed it for you
I mistakenly thought I had stumbled upon a thread of fellow republicans, and the reference was to doing the decent thing and slaying a couple of members of the sponging classes.
Sorry, by sponging classes, do you mean the Royals or the students?
ernie_lynch - Member
I know we sometimes appear to be going backwards at an alarming rate in terms of civilised behaviour, but I still reckon Britain is probably a long way off being the sort of country in which plain clothed security agents open fire on crowds because of a perceived threat to the monarch's son. Let's hope so anyway.
far more likely to be getting out the CS spray and the tazers
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which way to the tower?
It must have been an awful experience for Charles & Camilla last night, I do feel for them, and then to have one's car attacked beforehand, added insult to injury.
Sorry, by sponging classes, do you mean the Royals or the students?
Tricky one that one ratty, specially as Prince Charles received all his university education completely free.........he didn't pay a single brass farthing in fees when he was a university student. What do reckon he meant ?
Royal bashing - yawn.
Violence on TV - good viewing.
[i]It must have been an awful experience for Charles & Camilla last night, I do feel for them, and then to have one's car attacked beforehand, added insult to injury. [/i]
Very good. 🙂
I'm with the protestors and their rights to protest.
I'm against the muppets that turn it violent/damaging.
I don't think the police were even remotely close to getting guns out, that would have been a stupid thing to do and contrary to popular believe I don't think the majority of the police force or Royal protection chappies are that stupid.
even if the cars security had been comprimised (ie window completely broken) I doubt there'd have been much of a threat to their safety. There's a long way between smashing up a phone box and beating up some OAPs
watch the clips and read their lips....
Camilla: The peasants are revolting....
Charles: Obviously.........
kimbers...........are you that scruffy looking oik with the dreads ❓
Sorry, by sponging classes, do you mean the Royals or the students?
Tricky one that one ratty, specially as Prince Charles received all his university education completely free.........he didn't pay a single brass farthing in fees when he was a university student. What do reckon he meant ?
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As opposed to Charlie Gilmour (pictured) son of Pink Floyds David Gilmour - estimated Net Worth $90 million
Do you really, really feel that I, on my massive bike industry wage, should pay the tuition fees for someone who's dad is worth ninety million 'king dollars? Do you think he cannot afford to go to University without public support!
Get this - I am paying for that fetid little turd to go to university!
So who do you think he meant ratty........members of the Royal Family who paid nothing for their university education, or students who will go on to pay taxes ?
As I said, it's a tricky one this one. What you reckon eh ?
kimbers...........are you that scruffy looking oik with the dreads
Can't compete on an intellectual level, so let's resort to personal insults. How very intelligent, eh? 🙄
Question: how many on here were actually at the demonstration yesterday? Hmm?
Thought not...
Eh Ernie? The royal family pay taxes too... in Fact Charlie paid over 3.5 million in income tax last year!
Get this - I am paying for that fetid little turd to go to university!
I'd hazard a guess that his dad has paid just a tad more tax than you have....
I thought this BBC story covers it well:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11967984
Really surprised SO14 slipped up. Have worked with them before (the Queen came to visit)and they are usually incredibly meticulous.
I'd agree with this quote:
"This is a very serious incident. It ranks amongst the most serious security breaches of the past decade."Some of the demonstrators yesterday were carrying petrol, specifically to use in arson attacks. If the can of paint had been a can of petrol, it would have been very different."
A bit old but this gives an interesting insight into their (SO14's)work and approach:
TBH whoever was in charge of "close protection" for those two needs to be sacked.
Isn't that how Elfinomics is supposed to work Elfin, progressive taxation and all that 😉
Why should my tax pay for a millionaires son to go to university, I doubt my kids will be able to afford to? what's fair about that?
fred, i did not realise i had just insulted anyone.
i was just asking if kimbers was the scruffy looking oik with dreads.
bit like someone asking me 'are you the fat bloke with grey hair'
no insult, just a question
scruffy moi?
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Ton, behave yerself. You do yourself no favours.
EDIT: When you look as elegant and refined as Kimbers, then come back and we'll talk.
He's done you, [i]right[/i] up!
kimbers......do you feel i insulted you?
if you do i apologise
Charlie paid over 3.5 million in income tax last year!
Gosh, he must have put in a few hours of work a week, to end up paying that sort of tax.
But then maybe not......
[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/06/24/one-s-learnt-a-few-tricks-from-those-mp-chaps-115875-21466947/ ]Prince Charles pocketed more cash but paid less in taxes[/url]
Still, he's happy, that's the main thing........
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............and a smile like that is priceless.
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in Fact Charlie paid over 3.5 million in income tax last year!
<swear filter>me!! that's some amount of tax for a public sector employee. What exactly is it he does and how do I get a job like that?
no ton im fine you will have to say a lot worse to upset me
thanks fred dont worry im not scared by ton
well not from behind the safety of my keyboard
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[i]just a quick q..........why were some of the rioters students wearing masks/hoodies/scarves to hide their faces??[/i]
Because their would be a cctv van recording everything, police officers with video cameras the police helicopter videoing not to mention the street cctv and all this video will be analysed and some of those students might be getting a police visit next year and being arrested.
just a quick q..........why were some of the rioters students wearing masks/hoodies/scarves to hide their faces??
To protect their faces from cold burn, what else...
Thing I don't get is how people like Ton are moaning about the protesters? You're always saying you'd rip someones arm off if they owe you £10 for a pushbike part, but the kid's shouldn't get narky if their future's threatened?
I blame their elders, bad example they're setting, innit.
Why should my tax pay for a millionaires son to go to university, I doubt my kids will be able to afford to? what's fair about that?
The irony.
Still not had an answer to this:
Question: how many on here were actually at the demonstration yesterday? Hmm?
Funny that, eh?
If students are tax dodging scum then why do they pay VAT?
Anyone know if there is VAT on tuition fees?
Why should my tax pay for a millionaires son to go to university, I doubt my kids will be able to afford to? what's fair about that?
Blast. Beaten to the punchline.
To answer the OP - "seconds", apparently. Due to some brave "student" poking at her through the window with a stick.
This is why the royal family needs the old Prince Harry back- he'd have been down the front, off his face, throwing rocks at the police. Gor bless him
Thing I don't get is how people like Ton are moaning about the protesters?
Because people like Ton, Woppit etc live in little bubbles from which they seldom venture outside, and think the World revolves around them, without realising they themselves, like all of us, are insignificant little specks of dust, in the general scheme of things...
Narrow minds; narrow views.
Attack a member of the royal family and face the consequences. That is a big line to cross, as if fighting riot police wasnt.
if that was anyones parents or grandparents they would be jumping of the sofa wanting to go and give the offenders a kicking.
Wonder if Harry will be out and about in an Apache tonight.
Don't be so silly. 🙄