[Closed] So, Harry & Meghan.... What do we think?

She obviously doesnt fancy a life of smiling from ear to ear, in some daft tribal outfit of a far off outpost of the commonwealth, playing a bongo drum listening to Nicholas wichell talking shite to ITN cameras about her.

I was pissing myself at some royal correspondent on the beebs reaction to it, he was absolutely ****in raging, on the verge of tears! (Johnny diamond mibbe?)

What a sad bastard.

+1

If anything this episode has been the icing on the brexit cake in terms of highlighting how many utterly deluded, stuck in the past, sad weirdos there are.

The same people will make jokes about North Korea and their glorious leader whilst acting like this on tv.

She might be moving back to the US to start her ascent to the presidency. You heard it here first.

This made me smile. And, in these days, could almost be credible and true. I’d like it to be true.

Anyway, as a republican, can I please join with all right minded royalists, and say… f the D* M***!

https://twitter.com/janeygodley/status/1215649373448757249?s=21

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1215551923304194048?s=21

There’s some really bad casual sexism on this thread.

But on topic for the express, mail etc. And it’s royalist readership I can see why they are lashing out with rage, grief and confusion. To have just spent the last few years fighting, and winning tbf, the Brexit culture wars for sovereignty and to find out it’s all for nought as a key part of the institution go ‘actually it’s a load of bollocks mate we’re off’. It must be like when Dillon went electric or Campbell moved to Arsenal.

Ta - that answers my question further up about what the nasty press has actually been saying. To a sane audience it is the author/editor that is made to look an arse....but we are talking about DM dribblers here who might actually be swayed so I can see why I might be a bit miffed in their shoes.

edit - sexism? TBH honest not bothered to look back and whilst some of us have been arguably distasteful about offing the whole lot of em, I don't recall sexism, casual or otherwise, being the main theme. Care to share?

this episode has been the icing on the brexit cake

Completely unrelated in everyone else's eyes, though.

Or are you saying 'foreign woman wants to go home' is exactly what Farage was after?

Unrelated? If only.

I just hope they see it through. Tell Charlie they don’t need his money and drop the whole royal / Sussex thing. Would be a half arsed STW style flounce if they don’t.

I think the press treatment of both of them and Meghan in particular has been pretty horrific. I'm not sure it even counts as casually racist. It's outright racist in all but actually screaming "but she's a ***".

I have nothing but contempt for the D* M*** and the other Tory tabloids, if anyone should get the guillotine it's them.

I'm not sure they've handled it in the most dignified way but all power to them and their desire to lead a life away from the poisonous parasitic press.

should scoot off to france like his great grand uncle did. send the dm into apoplectic rage 🙂 I miss the days when royal princes used to poison their brothers and lock their kids up in the tower for their own saftey and have them butchered when no one was looking.

You do have to ask yourself why does Sarah Vine hate the beautiful princess Meghan Markle so much?

Is it because she's , * and married to THAT?

Many of the loudest monarchists only like the monarchy when they're doing exactly what they think they're supposed to. Anyone surprised by that should just think back to Diana's death and the way people turned on the queen for not queening to order.

why does Sarah Vine hate the beautiful princess Meghan Markle so much?

Sarah Vine is the perfect example of a right winger "grifter" I'd imagine she probably has no real opinion either way, but like many in the right wing press can turn her loose moral outlook on life into cash because she has the ability to string a sentence together.

My sister is a ridiculous royalist, she also works for the DM. It's been rather interesting watching her intial love for these to evolve I to the DM line of dislike, for absolutely no reason. The mind baffles, but she has become way more self-involved and absorbed of late. I absolutely blame that paper, the people she works with and the honking culture I imagine it has.

A former work colleagues son was at Sandhurst with him and clarified that Harry was none too bright.

Interesting, considering Harry was a forward fire controller, then weapons/navigation officer on an AH-64 Apache gunship, I wonder just what sort of job a person would have if they were just average.
Or is the ‘former work colleague’ just miffed because he couldn’t be part of Harry’s gang...?

Did you not read the OP?! He’s a drip and she’s a shocker*, thats all the reason you need!

*Not really sure what this means

You’ll have to ask that odious little shit Piers Morgan, whose writings in the Daily Heil have been driving a lot of this media crap.

And doesn't this whole storm in a teacup tell us everything that's wrong with the institution of royalty?

A grown man, an ex officer, is expected to ask his granny's permission to go overseas and not take pocket money from her, and the BritNats are in uproar.

I dont know why when I try to post a link at the minute it takes me to an RSPB advert, but if you havent seen it go onto youtube and search 'Stewart Lee Princess Diana' Comedy Gold.

It would be good to have a referendum as per Clive Lewis but I can only see it going one way. All the Brexity old tory types but but out voting while all the younger people who are largely indifferent would not bother voting.

Many of the loudest monarchists only like the monarchy when they’re doing exactly what they think they’re supposed to. Anyone surprised by that should just think back to Diana’s death and the way people turned on the queen for not queening to order.

Yep and let's not forget that 'The Peoples Princess' had been public enemy No1 before she died. After leaving Charles, giving interviews and generally annoying the Royals can anyone remember what the icing on the cake was?

I remember at the time thinking Di was a dick and a publicity seeker (possibly due to my intake of nonsense tabloids on reflection?) so although sorry for any loss of life it didn't really register with me. The way virtually everyone else seemed to about-turn shocked me and taught me a valuable lesson.

I think what these two are doing is hilarious and the ultimate troll to the bullies who sought to make money out of trying to destroy another person. I'm no royalist and wouldn't raise more than a shrug if the rug was pulled but watching Harry and Meghan flick a massive V has got me hoping for the best for them.

Who are Harry & Meghan ?
Ok, of course I know who they are but can honestly say I’ve not one care in the world having not followed what they get up too.

I wish them well, just as I’d wish anyone well who is seeking a positive change for their family.

I get the feeling behind wanting to get away from the tabloid w*****s, but not being high profile Royals is not going to do that, the press will be just as interested in digging up dirt either way, so not sure what they think they are achieving.
Equally if they want to be financially independent they should just bin off being Royal altogether. Convenient that they waited until after taxpayers had funded a more than £1 million refurb of their 'cottage'. Also I'm not sure it's much of a challenge being financially independent when you've inherited £20 million from Diana and £7 million from the Queen Mother, and your other half is loaded as well. Please don't expect us to be impressed if you manage to survive on your own...

Please don’t expect us to be impressed if you manage to survive on your own…

I really don't think they give a flying **** what you think mate.

I don't think anyone can reasonably expect them to give it all up and go down the dole office but I see very little to criticise in what they are doing. Can't see Andy the nonce doing the same anytime soon.

A former work colleague’s son was at Sandhurst with him and clarified that Harry was none too bright.

Ok, I’ll bite: I worked alongside Harry for 2 months on a command and leadership training course and he was easily up there with the best of the 100+ of us on that course. I also know several others who have worked closely with him and they think the same; as an officer and operator, he’s regarded as far more competent than his brother.

really don’t think they give a flying **** what you think mate.

They do though. That's why the situation has arisen.

It's about time we recognised the Royal family for what they are, which is a quaint tourist attraction with little relevance to modern life. It's completely beyond me why anyone would take more than a passing interest in what they do with their lives, and beyond ridiculous that anyone would even notice the colour of Meghan's skin let alone judge her for it. If they can use their profiles to do good like Diana tried to do then fair play to them and best of luck.

I used to motorcycle on my commute past Buckingham Palace and I didn't often see tourists there, whereas The National Gallery, NPG, Tate Britain, Tate Modern....and think of all those works of art they've got that we never see. They should be moved into a granny flat and let the world see the nation's treasures.
Has anyone ever met a tourist who's come to the UK for royal-spotting purposes? In my experience most find it a quaint anachronism that the plebs enjoy being patronised by.

I don't suppose many would come just because of the Royal family but it is a part of it of some tourists. I remember seeing a P+L a few years back and it made sense financially for the country to have the Royal family so I am good with keeping it. If they were running at a loss to the country then they should be got rid of.
It also wouldn't be hard to make it a bit more efficient.

as an officer and operator, he’s regarded as far more competent than his brother.

to be fair I had heard the same. It's in his genes though 😉

On the other had, his uncle's 4 attempts to pass the final assessment at the RN elementary flying training school are/were in the log books for everyone to see at Roborough. Strangely once was the default number of attempts the rest of us plebs got.

it made sense financially for the country to have the Royal family so I am good with keeping it

Is this still the tourism angle?
Keep the palaces, open them up to tourists.
Let the royals live in their minor mansions instead, with or without their titles.

CountZero

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Interesting, considering Harry was a forward fire controller, then weapons/navigation officer on an AH-64 Apache gunship, I wonder just what sort of job a person would have if they were just average.
Or is the ‘former work colleague’ just miffed because he couldn’t be part of Harry’s gang…?

As #convert subtlety draws attention; being a Royal typically enables certain shortcomings to be overlooked - and advantages to be promoted.
Whilst I cant say with certainty if my former work colleagues son was miffed to not be in Harrys gang - I can only conclude that you recognise there are those who wish to be in Harrys gang ... and what are those individuals prepared to do to get in? give preferential treatment; lower the bar; turn a blind eye ..

The royal family are a relic of the past. Its wrong that the tax payer pays for one family to have obscene levels of wealth and privileged, and yet others in society are allowed to live in poverty and hardship. The royals are all parasites on UK society.

I certainly dont feel like mooman . I am quite happy for the royals to be royal and if they can find some ways to be less of a burden on the taxpayer then brilliant .

Thing is the deal has always been a life of wealth and immense privilege but the one thing you weren't able to do was complain about it . she has been treated terribly by the press when you compare it to Kate and i cant blame them for wanting to leave it behind but i cant see how they can go off and make money without it someway trading on the fact he is a member of the royal family.

I think we should just accept that those from the Royal Family are just better people than the rest of us.

I'm glad to see so many accepting the reality of their inferiority with a good grace.

People like mooman or kelvin trying to somehow claim that their blood is "as good as" the Royals disgust me.

Pre- brexit etc, I didn’t realise the royals etc were such a big thing...?

Seems a significant part of the UK pop are still into all that stuff... Genuinely baffling

They seem ok etc, but not sure I get the whole thing, especially the faux tabloid outrage...?!

Get a grip would be my thoughts

The first twelve (12.....!!) pages of the Daily Shit are filled with Megan and Harry, well, mostly Megan. The bitch.

I also felt like pouring a liquid over the stack of papers.

Is that Sarah Vine?

**** me, she looks like Gordon Brown after a botched gender reassignment.

Face like a roofer’s nailbag or what?

@mooman, I can assure you *from my own personal experience*, Harry was competent enough to eclipse the majority of the course (myself included) with relative ease; I would be staggered if he only qualified as a FAC and then Apache crew because DS turned a blind eye. More to the point, I presume you understand the huge level of responsibility and complexity associated with both those positions on the battlefield? And that he successfully did those roles for real in genuine contacts where other people’s lives literally depended on it? That doesn’t strike me as the actions of some ‘none to bright’ parasite who was only allowed to scrape through because his gran’s the boss.

As for Harry and Meghan, I can’t blame them for wanting to get out of this country. Our gutter press are amongst the very worst components of our apparently ‘civilised’ society and they have systematically hounded and harassed the couple in the nastiest way possible whilst fawning over William and Kate; fair play to the pair of them for taking actions to make it stop instead of just taking it like they deserve it. Good luck to them.

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The royals are all parasites on UK society.

You clearly don’t understand how the Royal Family are funded these days. All profits from Royal holdings and estates are given to the government in lew of taxes, and the government then gives some money back for the running of the Royal Family, estates and staff. The British taxpayer gets a very good deal out of this arrangement, IIRC
From what I gather, Harry and Meghan’s share amounts to 1.9% of their total income, so being totally independent financially shouldn’t be to difficult.
Maybe you should look into how much various Presidents cost their respective taxpayers annually, the sums in some cases are eye watering.
I can’t remember specifics, but German taxpayers fork out a lot, and then there’s Trump, Air Force One alone probably costs far more than our Royals get.
I’d much rather have an apolitical Royal head-of-state than someone like Tony Blair, who clearly relished the idea of being president.
Hmmm, some figures here:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-costs-trips-security-taxpayer-barack-obama-month-year-a7586261.html
Family trips cost $11.3 million in one month alone!
Love that pic posted by epicyclo - great piece of work, that. 😁

All profits from Royal holdings and estates are given to the government in lew of taxes, and the government then gives some money back for the running of the Royal Family, estates and staff. The British taxpayer gets a very good deal out of this arrangement, IIRC

and how did they get those holdings? I rather think its you that does not understand. Its an appalling deal

oldnpastit

Subscriber

People like mooman or kelvin trying to somehow claim that their blood is “as good as” the Royals disgust me

Yes - I accept the nonsensical tone of my comments which suggest a basic universal equality to all individuals; I was no doubt Trolling as usual, and of course know with certainty that rich and privileged people have biologically superior children; thus wholly deserving of their privileged life.
The world, now more than ever, need the Royals to inform us about reducing our use of natural resources; population growth, and basic inequality.

I recon that gets me considered for the Queens birthday list .. OBE for sure😏

On a scale the 1 to 10 with 1 deciding what to have for dinner and 10 been WW3 between th US and Iran I rank at around -10 on my list of things to worry about.

Although listening to some people talk about it it is clearly a 12 on the he scale of world importance!

What these two people do (for what it’s worth, I think they’d be crazy not to go to Canada) is weighted about 0.00001/10 as one of my concerns. What the UK is becoming, and how this is either reflected or influenced by both “our” traditional media, and social media, is weighted about 8/10.

The amount of coverage it’s getting is absurd. I honestly can’t fathom why it’s even news.

I think its a bit Beatles v Stones, or Oasis v Blur for le media. Build them up, knock them down, make it look like a battle. Age old tactic that makes them money.

On the side of that there's the fact that a pillar of the establishment just.....walked away. Simple as. How and why could they do so! Challenges all the old beliefs, shakes the pillars that hold up the world for some. (many?)

When you see two grown people being told what they can/cannot do on the basis of their birth, the whole thing is just ludicrous, tinged with really quite disturbingly messed-up.

For the media its just selling papers or filling air space.

For the vast majority of the general public the Royals are just an example of how daft a civilised country can be. They are little more than a real world reality show. Hopefully in my life time we will see the end of their state funded privilege - and it will lead to other institutions of inequality being torn down too.

As ever Mr Pie says it like it is.

So over privileged posh white actor/coke head says its not racism!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-51145321/actor-laurence-fox-s-question-time-clash-over-meghan

Definitely not racist. I don't see how race comes into it, actually. I'm barely aware she's even black, actually.

https://newsthump.com/2020/01/16/white-skinned-princess-kate-is-shining-beacon-of-aryan-loveliness-insists-daily-mail/

There's a lot of stuff going around about how privileged they are and that somehow that means they're getting what they deserve.

When kids get bullied in the playground or online we say that's wrong and we support them. When grown men and women get bullied at work we sympathise and help them deal with it or tell them to get out.

These two young people are being bullied daily in the press, intruded upon and villified, in the most public way possible. Every single day. For some parts of the press they can't do anything right. But they're privileged, so they deserve it right?

Harry didn't have a choice about being born into a famous family, he doesn't have the privilege of freedom. Sure he's not going to end up on the street any time soon, but what they want most is some freedom to lead a normal life. Quite understandable I'd say.

"Waity Katie" is loved by the Daily Heil now, but in the early days she took a lot of stick for being boring, too thin and not having a job.
I'm not saying the Megan has not had an extra heaping of shite due to racism, but it's not correct to say that Kate has always been loved.

There’s a lot of stuff going around about how privileged they are and that somehow that means they’re getting what they deserve.

When kids get bullied in the playground or online we say that’s wrong and we support them. When grown men and women get bullied at work we sympathise and help them deal with it or tell them to get out.

These two young people are being bullied daily in the press, intruded upon and villified, in the most public way possible. Every single day. For some parts of the press they can’t do anything right. But they’re privileged, so they deserve it right?

Harry didn’t have a choice about being born into a famous family, he doesn’t have the privilege of freedom. Sure he’s not going to end up on the street any time soon, but what they want most is some freedom to lead a normal life. Quite understandable I’d say.

If he really wanted to he could disappear in to obscurity I reckon. It would mean cutting all ties with his family, losing all titles and not cashing in on his royal status though. I don’t think either of them are willing to do this. Fair play to them if they are though.

The gutter press will turn on Kate again when they need to.

Remember, none of this about actual sense. It is about the public having someone they can love one minute and hate the next and the media having cash.

Nosey neighbour syndrome, basically.

stick_man

Member
... but what they want most is some freedom to lead a normal life.

I think you need to re-read what they actually want.
Basically they want all the privileged bits - but none of the hassle bits.

As others have said. They are rich enough to step away and live a very privileged life. But they want to keep the best bits that will perpetuate the growth of their already substantial bank balances, and avoid them having to dip into their own pockets to pay for things like home renovations, luxury holidays, new cars ...

Basically they want all the privileged bits – but none of the hassle bits.

Presumably the irony of one of the most prominent Brexiteers on here criticising these two people for wanting out of all the bad bits of an institution whilst retaining access to the bits they like wasn’t lost on everyone here.

But they want to keep the best bits that will perpetuate the growth of their already substantial bank balances, and avoid them having to dip into their own pockets to pay for things like home renovations, luxury holidays, new cars …

Have they said that? I though they were setting up a philanthropic organisation?

The only odd thing is the publicity about it. If the Earl and Countess of Dumbartonshire had simply bought a house in Canada and spent increasing amounts of time there nobody would have cared. Eventually some journo would have done a story on the cost of security and it would have been in the news for a weekend then every few years someone would make a joke about it. It’s not like we usually see them every day (either in person or on tv). They didn’t hire Andrew’s press adviser did they?

https://twitter.com/bigpauliedoyle/status/1216795167388315648?s=21

So remember when I said if they were going to do it they should just give up theirs Royal titles properly? Well they just did....
Oooo and they want to repay the refurb cost of their cottage, plus not receive any more public funds, so fair play to them and good luck.

They are going from a life I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy… to one I’m super envious of… any attempt to stay loyal to the crown, the country, or his family, are just going to be thrown back in their faces by the press as ‘wanting their cake and eating it’, so they may as well not bother and just crack on with a new life, but work hard to keep good private links with the rest of the family.

So remember when I said if they were going to do it they should just give up theirs Royal titles properly? Well they just did….

No they didn't.

Giving up their titles and not taking any public money? ......good luck to them I say

Pretty sure the Daily Hate rags will be all over this with their racist imagery and gutter trash writing soon enough

From Queen’s statement:

"I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.”

"I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.”

Looks like the Queen, or at least her advisors, get it, and also understand that it’s Meghan who will, again, be the target in the fall out from all this. Prepare for press and internet troll hatred to ramp up to full bile level now… but I’m impressed at the attempt to defend/shield her in the Queen’s statement.

As much as I'm loathe to get involved in this discussion, I say well ****ing done to the pair of them. Sounds as though they haven't caved to the pressure from the rest of the royals.

Pretty sure the Daily Hate rags will be all over this with their racist imagery and gutter trash writing soon enough

Yep, when it suits them to do so.

The basic trick is to play back bigots’ prejudices to them as ‘facts’, then monetise the results. Childishly simple, but seemingly a winning formula.

The interesting thing is how they get away with it, but if the audience is there.....

Hard Megxit

More of a Canada Plus Plus deal.

It’s racism.

You’d be surprised at how indignant white middle class women get if a bloke in the friendship group marries a non-white foreign girl.

Something something stealing our men.

You’d be surprised at how indignant white middle class women get if a bloke in the friendship group marries a non-white foreign introduces a girl from outside the friendship group.

Something something stealing our men.