[Closed] So, gratin dauphinoise...

Serves 1.

Me.

Cook them in the cream and milk first , simmering for around 7 -10 mins.

Food coma coming up tonight ? 🙂

Depends how thick your slices are, but I would have said those will cook in the oven.

No pre cook, just wash in cold water to remove some of the starch. Warm the cream and garlic on the stove though.

Warm the cream and garlic on the stove though.

Depends how thick your slices are, but I would have said those will cook in the oven

why am I now feeling hungry?

Ah but you want the starch from the potatoes into the sauce to thicken it , hence the pre cook. If you like a thicker sauce of course

I don't pre cook the spuds but I do warm the cream and milk. Rub a crushed garlic clove around the dish and grease with butter. Layer up, dot with butter, sprinkle with nutmeg and in the oven.

No pre-cook, no milk.

hence the pre cook. If you like a thicker sauce of course

yes, I want starch. Lots of it

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I don't pre cook the spuds but I do warm the cream and milk

I used to make this with Boursin/cream/milk mix. I found that unless I precooked the potatoes, they would be raw, even after an hour and half in the oven. I ended up slicing the potatoes, then parboiling until they were nearly cooked as hardly anything happened once they were in the oven. It might be different if you have a mandolin to slice them really thin, or it the liquid is not as creamy?

It's a minging dish if the potatoes are not cooked, so allow plenty of time. I used foil on for the first 30mins,then another 25mins without foil to brown the top.

I use Raymond Blanc's recipe from French Cooking Made Simple (BBC books) which has many simple and very tasty recipes) This has the approval of my French wife 🙂

Couple of key tips

Yes pre-cook (as above 7-10 mins) in cream (25%) full fat milk (75%) mix stirring every couple of mins to prevent sticking. Milk/cream/nutmeg brought to boil before adding potatoes
Do not wash the potatoes after slicing (starch is good for result)
Add grated cheese after cooking in pot and stir in well.
Rub baking dish with garlic slice

You can pre cook for say 3/4 of the time and reheat just before serving.

You can never make too much, we had enough for 3 meals inc Christmas day

You can never make too much, we had enough for 3 meals inc Christmas day

Sounds pretty much like what I've done except for the cheese bit. Not sure I'm ready to go there yet.

Consensus seems to be pre-cook but the only person I know that could be considered a pro cook did it without the precooking. However that was for a huge quantity of people so in that case the trade off might be worth it

We did have lots of other food too 🙂

You shouod give it a try. Gruyere is great, this year we toned it down with 50% Emmental. Will photo the receipe amd send it over when next home in a few weeks.

I add melted goose fat and rosemary to mine. Gracelessly stolen from my Michelin starred friend. Last time he served it to me, I complained there wasn't enough, and he said he had metre the portion for the sake of my health 🙂

I add melted goose fat and rosemary to mine

But, do you precook the tatties?

*that may be a lie

No pre cooking for me (after all it can sit in the oven as long as necessary to fully cook) but I bought a mandolin solely for thinly slicing the spuds after first eating James' dauph as he does.

He was also very particular over the spud variety, but I've forgotten which one. Might be marfonia

Thanks for the idea! This is just what I need to go with my venison rack. Think I will pre-cook a bit as the meat should be v quick (also, prefer thickish slices).

It should be a simple dish, so no pre-cooking for me. Plenty of liquid and cook low and slow, ramp up the heat with the lid off for 10-15 mins before serving.

ok. looks like i'm heading for a trial on no-precooking, goose fat, rosemary and foil on the top to ensure the top layer gets cooked as that's always the problem that I've had before - a mushy bottom (oo-er) and undercooked top

Now it's getting bad. Where are the guests...

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Plenty of liquid and cook low and slow

I use this receipt from Greg Wallace .

No pre cooking or warming of liquids.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/potato_dauphinoise_27289

I don't like mine too wet. More fat (think roasting / baking spuds than boiling) than fluid, but there's lots of different approaches.

Edit, as per Petes recipe link, it's maris piper not marfonia

I use the bbc recipe too, no pre-cooking needed.

Maris Piper or Desire are good for Dauphinoise

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Plenty of liquid and cook low and slow
Does it not end up runny then? That's equally bad

A second for the mandolin. Gets the slices even and thin and thus helps them to be evenly cooked. I put one on the Christmas list fwiw

Desire

Now just got to check they are ok 🙂

I don't precook the potatoes just slice using the magimix or a mandolin. I recently made a cheese potato bake, with bacon, onions and celery which was kind of a British version of a tartiflette - it went straight to no 1 of the family favourites.

I never see Desires in the shops these days.

...just gone online and ordered a mandoline ...

No precook, use Nigel Slater classic recipe - lots of butter, garlic & double cream for the win... But darn it I too really need a mandoline... 😉

So, for the no-precookers, how long do you cook it for?

I had a mandoline once but it was a cheap and cheerful and didn't last. I find after much practice I can now slice thinly with a chef's knife.

I find after much practice I can now slice thinly with a chef's knife.

And thanks for the info. I'm going to give it a shot just for the excuse of making some more 🙂

@leffe, if I may be so bold do you have a shallower oven dish ? The (very nice) pan you are using means, in my humble opinion, the mixture is too deep. That may be why you are having issues with even cooking. Also its depe so surface potatoes are not getitng direct hot air to brown them ?

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@leffe, if I may be so bold do you have a shallower oven dish ?

🙂 Got it, was speculating as to perhaps why even cooking was an issue/question ...

BTW, I know it's a bit low brow, and comes from the upper numbers of the TV Channel guide, but the JML V slicer is what I got for the job and it's good at it.

Two slices thicknesses, and the ability to "chip" which is great with courgettes.

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/8428897.htm

Takes a bit of getting used but once you have the knack it's very quick.

That is not even slightly close to niche enough for here - away with your simple stuff 🙂

(agree with the courgette bit - that is a great feature)

courgette, shredded and warmed through in a sauté pan with lashings of olive oil and garlic. Topped with paremesan cheese.
Nice.

Anyway, just back from chrimbo hols and find a bag of Maris Piper's in the veg drawer growing eyes. I know what to do with them...

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STW cooking channel is open....

🙂

3mins to slice that lot of potatoes nice and evenly.

v finely chopped rosemary, and garlic, and GENTLY warmed through with melted goosefat.

Now, my mate usually builds his dauph in a shallow iron pan that's black and never washed. He heats the fat in the pan, and then builds the dish into the hot pan. Layers of potato with garlic and rosemary crumbled in between the layers. Then it goes to the hob for 5-10mins to start, before going in the oven to continue.

I dont have pans with which I can do that so I am going to spoon layers of the rosemary/garlic/fat in between the potato in enamel pie dishes. James doenst add cream, but I think I will. His comes out like a soft, fondant, potato cake rich with goosefat and flavour, but I know others in this thread like something a little creamier.

Oven preheated to 200C

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Un gratin dauphinois.

bien sûr

What a fun thread and shall be making notes!

I'm having roast breast of lamb for dinner, that's a first for me but it's crying out for roast potatoes.

rolled breast of lamb one of my favourites. So full of flavour, and usually quite inexpensive. Ace with garlic/rosemary dauphinois.

I shall report back Stoner and good to hear that it goes well with dauphinoise. 🙂

What stoner says - roast lamb or beef goes very well with dauphinoise

Un gratin dauphinoise

If I may digress a further example of my ineptitude at language, 1982 in a tiny village in the mountains behind Perpignan grocery van arrives and I go shopping ...
Me: Beure svp
Artisan: Du beurre
Me: Non une

Que friends collapsing to floor laughing and quizical look from the seller

the one on the right was made in a deeper dish with more cream, the one on the left with less cream, but more fat in a shallower dish.

Not a lot in it flavour wise, but for texture I still prefer the one cooked in more goose fat.

Now if you'll excuse me I have some more testing to do. Yes. Testing. that's it.

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Dauphinois? Ugh!

Boulangere FTW!

I'll never forget where I was when I first read about goose fat and rosemary in a dauphinoise. Not tried it yet but suspect it may be touched with genius. Thank you Mr Stoner. I will try that.
Here's my 2p worth. It's fail safe.
Thinly slice the potatoes with a mandolin. Try to get a few that slice to paper thin and keep them aside for the last layer. Soak them in water for a minute, then take out and dry completely on a clean towel. Butter a glazed stoneware dish (about 2" deep) and start layering with potatoes, overlapping 50% of each slice as you do it. With each layer, sprinkle with salt and a little crushed garlic and shake your booty for a lap of the kitchen with Bob Marley playing in the background*. Use the slices with extra thin wispy bits on the last layer (these crisp up deliciously). Then take a jug and fill 3/4 double cream to 1/4 milk. Fill your dish to about 1cm below the top of the potatoes (and make sure that the liquid runs over all of the surface potatoes as you pour (seems to stop them catching). Then with a cheese slicer or knife take 3 shavings of butter and place on the surface. Then grate fresh nutmeg all over the top and put in a pre warmed oven at 150 degrees for 2 hours.
Then go out for a ride.
If you're veggie, you could have it with a crispy salad and chiiled white wine whilst reflecting on why there isn't a slab of Welsh Black fillet on your plate.
Never fails. Delicious. I know, I know - you'll have burned off the calories from all the cream whilst having your ride. Chill.
*This burns extra calories

For those wondering why Jambalaya's friends were laughing "une beure" is a lady of north African origin.

Nice work there Stoner and top tip Tinners for the wafer thin top slices, feeling hungry ....

Well, that was disappointing so won't be buying breast of lamb again! Smelled delicious whilst cooking and thought that all that fat would give it a sweet flavour. It didn't and was rather chewy, such a let down. 🙁

erm, how did you cook it? It's one of my 1-2x a month dishes. I love it.

I do mine rolled with a thin stuffing, tied and sliced, then laid in a casserole. Roasted for 35-45mins depending on the depth of the slices.

I'm also partial to breast of lamb, typically whole rather than boned, just slow roast in oven. So much fat it won't be dry. Bit of a mess eating but that's half the fun.

@stoner: The one on the left may taste best but the one on the right looks magnificent. Difficult choice

Liking Tinners cream/milk ratio but not sure my belt could handle both that and goose fat.

Thread of 2016 this, like already.

Boulangere FTW!

@Edukator, you are operating at too high a level, it was just me mixing up "some" and "two" 😳

erm, how did you cook it? It's one of my 1-2x a month dishes. I love it.

I do mine rolled with a thin stuffing, tied and sliced, then laid in a casserole. Roasted for 35-45mins depending on the depth of the slices.

Stoner - oops, think it was probably over-cooked. 😳 It was ready prepared from the butcher, rolled and stuffed.