[Closed] SNP & Green cooperation agreement

Theres just no opposition for the SNP.

Scottish labour is more or less finished

Scottish Labour either need to become pro independence (they would lose some pro unions but imo would get more of the SNP's vote than they lost) or hibernate until Scotland is independent.

Oddly though a pro independence labour would spread the vote around more and might let a few seats slip to pro union and delay it happening.

But the greens becoming a minor partner in governance of part of the UK is for me at least a rather good step in the right direction.

But the greens becoming a minor partner in governance of part of the UK is for me at least a rather good step in the right direction.

Worked well for the LibDems......

They will have to sign up to compromise and make unpopular decisions and their activist base won't be happy with that

Worked well for the LibDems…

There is that.

I also can't get my (one) head around their insistence on having co leaders either. Have a single leader or lead by committee but having two feels daft to me.

Another nail in the coffin for Scottish labour?

Nail in the coffin for Labour, full stop.

But the greens becoming a minor partner in governance of part of the UK is for me at least a rather good step in the right direction.

100% this

Scotland ahead of the curve in that respect

The point about the lib dems is a good one, clegg was incredibly naive in the way he let the Tories use him as a human shield (he's admitted as much since)

Be interesting to see how it effects policy considering Scotlands hydrocarbon reserves

Nail in the coffin for Labour, full stop.

Indulge me, why is the SNP/ green agreement a nail in labour's coffin?

It looks like the A9 Dualling program will still go ahead (though who knows when?) so I'm a bit relieved about that.

It'll be interesting to see how this partnership works out by the next, and subsequent, Holyrood elections. Too close to the SNP and folk will wonder why it's worth voting SGP. Stand in the way of some SNP policies and the Greens could lose that 2nd vote support.

I reckon it'll be a good thing. I'm completely ignorant about politics as I don't follow it really, but given my understanding of the Greens wanting more reuse, recycling, better quality of living without destroying the place we live, etc. I reckon it'll be a decent match.

SNP appear to be generally ok and have been for a long time, there are a few things that need work but I think overall, they are doing ok. Adding Greens to the mix should help more things progress and help people (although I've no idea how, what or when).

Basically, I think I'm of the opinion that anything that doesn't allow the Tories in to more power is a good thing as I genuinely think they aren't helping anyone but their rich friends which I think is very wrong.

Again, all based on a naive/ignorant viewpoint as I don't spend time reading into politics.

It looks like the A9 Dualling program will still go ahead (though who knows when?) so I’m a bit relieved about that.

Its just about the last major bit of roadbuilding that makes sense to me.

It’ll be interesting to see how this partnership works out by the next, and subsequent, Holyrood elections. Too close to the SNP and folk will wonder why it’s worth voting SGP. Stand in the way of some SNP policies and the Greens could lose that 2nd vote support.

Previously the greens have been politically naive both missing opportunities and also selling themselves short. One would hope they would have learnt a bit more how to play the political game but it will mean compromises. The key thing is taking ministerial positions and being bound by collective responsibility.
In the past the SNP have been good at talking the talk but not so good at walking the walk so lets see how much the greens can use their influence

My hope is that the greens set achievable aims for their participation. sorting out grouse moors would be one key one for me and a decent scheme of home insulation as well as another look at carbon capture. Attempting to decarbonise the entire scots economy in one go seems a little optimistic

New ScotLib/dem leader and mutterings about a coalition with ScotLabour so possibly heading towards a three party state with ScotCon being the loud drunk uncle in the corner that due to family connections down south has far more sway than they should have.

Looks like much of the important stuff is excluded from the agreement.

"5. While we share an ambition that Scotland should be a wellbeing economy that
measures its success by reference to environmental and social objectives as well as
economic objectives, the role of Gross Domestic Product measurements, and
economic principles related to concepts of sustainable growth and inclusive
growth, are excluded from this agreement.
6. Recognising that an agreement to collaborate and cooperation on budgets
and matters of supply does not prevent us from having different visions for the long-
term future of Scotland’s economy and on support for certain sectors, aviation
policy (except in respect of island aviation connectivity and Highlands and Islands
Airports Limited), the future of green ports, and direct financial support to
businesses involved in the aerospace, defence and security sectors are
excluded from this agreement."

https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-government-and-scottish-green-party-cooperation-agreement/

I voted Green for the best part of 40 years, until they aligned themselves with independence. They’ve lost my vote.

The SGP have always been pretty pro-Indy but I guess they'll shed a few Unionists as a result of this. Maybe the Labour Party will pick up a few voters?

Assuming you voted green for the betterment of the planet and society then independence should make heehaw difference. In fact it would be the only way to bring in green policies as Westminster will never give any power share to greens. In independent parliament would/could allow this.

It looks like the A9 Dualling program will still go ahead (though who knows when?) so I’m a bit relieved about that.

I spent last weekend with one of the most senior road engineers for Scotland. H<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">e's got a login on here.</span>

His view was that the A9 dualling money would be better spent on a proper twin track, high speed rail upgrade from Stirling to Inverness, with frieght hub  at each end.

I voted Green for the best part of 40 years, until they aligned themselves with independence. They’ve lost my vote.

So what did you do, vote Tory instead - how's that working out for you?

gauss1777
Free Member

I voted Green for the best part of 40 years, until they aligned themselves with independence. They’ve lost my vote.

And yet pretty much all of the actual power they've ever had in the UK outside of Brighton Pavillion came as a result of this. I don't think they're going to miss your one vote too much, but, Scottish greens basically saw that an independent scotland's way more likely to further their goals than the UK.

I voted Green for the best part of 40 years, until they aligned themselves with independence. They’ve lost my vote

why?

I cant recall SGP being anything other than pro Indy.

And yet pretty much all of the actual power they’ve ever had in the UK outside of Brighton Pavillion came as a result of this.

I wouldn't agree. I think they steer others parties who don't want to lose votes to them. Gives them some indirect power without actual power. A bit like ukip managed.

I guess they’ll shed a few Unionists as a result of this

They might pick up some from pro indy voters who don't want the baggage that goes with the SNP or see green a wasted vote. Swings and roundabouts

Any implications for the Alba party?

I don’t understand how this ‘isn’t a coalition’ if the Greens have ministers.

The SGP have always been pretty pro-Indy but I guess they’ll shed a few Unionists as a result of this. Maybe the Labour Party will pick up a few voters?

That depends, doesn’t it? Labour’s record on environmental issues is a bit on the embarrassing side; on the other hand if people were voting Green because the Green party is pretty left-wing…

I don’t understand how this ‘isn’t a coalition’ if the Greens have ministers

Because they don't have to agree with the SNP if they don't want to.

nickjb
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I wouldn’t agree. I think they steer others parties who don’t want to lose votes to them.

Nice idea, evidence? "cut the green crap"