Snitches get stitches... Dashcam and NIP content...

What a bunch of wazzocks.

And pillocks too.

If only plod went as concerned about cyclists

What a berk (him not you).

You're right, trying the old words on for size feels good.

Debated getting dashcam(s) - it feels all a bit after the fact.......your charred body found grimly clasping an SD card for retribution. But silly billies exist out on our roads.

Debated getting dashcam(s) – it feels all a bit after the fact…….your charred body found grimly clasping an SD card for retribution. But silly billies exist out on our roads...

...and lie to insurance companies. It might help someone else out too

What a plonker.

Proper wazzock

If it's bad enough, they'll take action on the first report.

If only plod went as concerned about cyclists

Several of my clubmates have quite a high success rate uploading video. Derbyshire Police seem to be able to issue warning letters within a couple of hours, Leicestershire are a little slower but seem to send more on awareness courses or NIP.

moab and ghill 🙂

Sounds like a right div!

I sent one in last week - a motorbike overtaking me going around a right hand blind bend, crossing a solid white line to do so.
It’s a section of road with lots of bends one after the other. Maybe it’ll make them think twice in the future and avoid taking themselves plus potentially others out.

I also had another one yesterday - coming out of a village on to NSL section, a car behind decides to start an overtake just as we pass the sign. Of course I’m already accelerating up to 60 by then and the car behind can’t even keep up let alone overtake. It would also have been a dangerous, stupid place to overtake as there were blind bends shortly ahead and I’d have had to stay at 30 until he’d passed to make it remotely safe. Queue him tailgating and making “hand gestures” at me for a mile.

By the time I got home I wondered if I’d done something wrong - he’d been stuck on the wrong side of the road maybe. the rear camera was useful for that - he hadn’t even signalled, and only got as far as two wheels over the centre marking, and didn’t even close up to my car much let alone start to get alongside. If anything it doesn’t even look like an overtake attempt, just him driving briefly out of lane. So I’m happy i wasn’t in the wrong - I guess he’s just used to bullying his way along and probably annoyed at being out accelerated. Anyway I’ve kept that footage just in case.

Oh, I did somewhat foolishly get out of the car at the next T junction to calmly explain that I was not trying to annoy him, it was just bad timing but he went from my angry with the hand gestures etc to locking his door and refusing to wind the window down. So much for all the aggression from within his car. Maybe, just maybe he’ll refrain from this behaviour towards future people who he perceives have wronged him. Yes i know that was a stupid thing to do as he could easily have been a psycho spoiling for a fight.

I plan on getting one for the car, have one on bike and only last week started uploading videos. 3 loaded last week,

already had email saying 2 getting taken forward for dangerous/ close passes. Pretty pleased with that.

Several of my clubmates have quite a high success rate uploading video. Derbyshire Police seem to be able to issue warning letters within a couple of hours, Leicestershire are a little slower but seem to send more on awareness courses or NIP.

Thames Valley Police are completely and utterly useless!

Is it operation:crackdown for ALL police forces?

Or are they different names for different areas?

DrP

Is there a Scotland equivalent?

I've considered a dashcam because the berks out there do wind me up, but then inadvertently catching myself/drivers of my car out is also a risk. Of course, I can't talk about past examples in that area.

It's Operation Snap in Northamptonshire

https://www.northantspas.com/PAWeb/Public/Content/23

You don't get direct feedback unless more information is required from you, but they do publish a list of each months
submissions and the outcomes so you can go back and see what happened.

@jimmy No, for reasons not clear Police Scotland aren’t doing this.

Came here for nip content.... Am very disappoint ☹️

Thames Valley Police are completely and utterly useless!

It's grim down south

Came here for nip content…. Am very disappoint

Sorry about the slip

Can we vote thread of the week, based on the offensive language being toned back to the 2000's

2000's? Definitely more like 80's. I remember a friend using "Berk" in a similar aged context back in the 00s maybe even 90s.

its a shame theres no portal in Scotland - made a 101 report of a left hook, followed by a confrontation and two further 'punishment' passes by the same bloke.  It took 2 officers and at least 2 hours of their shift to deal with it, visit to me, visit to the perp, follow up visit to me.

The visit to me included two watch throughs of the helmetcam footage and a statement.  Could have all been dealt with much quicker (IMO) online.

Berk isn't actually toned down. It's cockney rhyming slang for something you'll have to Google yourself, or I'll get banned.

I've sent a few dashcam clips in over the years. In Cheshire it has to be accompanied by a formal witness statement which is a bit of a PITA.

Is there a Scotland equivalent?

In theory, yes. And lots of shiny Facebook posts for numpties to froth over.

The reality: in the last three years I have had two incidents on a bike - one was pushed and shoved by an irate driver who drove straight at a group of kids on bikes and objected to me shouting at him, a second one where a car did a dangerous overtake then objected to the fact that I was behind him and tried to block the road to shout at me for not using (a non-existent) bike lane. In both cases car MOT was out of date...
In both cases Police Scotland declined to act as it took too many resources to action it.

So on paper, yes, reality. Nah.

In Cheshire it has to be accompanied by a formal witness statement which is a bit of a PITA.

This should be an easy win for police forces but several of them are (anecdotally) working hard at making it difficult, not resourcing properly or inconsistent decision making. Really should only need video, date, time & location. I’d seen some stuff on the hellsite about moving to a national portal which might make things a bit more consistent.

I've a pretty good success rate with GPM, cheshire less so. they were more concerned about me clipping a hashed area than the guy that overtook and then came to a halt before pulling into his drive 😐

When we switch cars I am definitely using my STW discount to get that front and rear Garmin dashcam setup. There's so many absolute weapons racing around all over the place.

Been offered a dashcam for free, thought I wouldn't bother as I don't drive much, but its worth it to catch spanners like this 😀

Berk isn’t actually toned down.

Is it buggery.

You could say that about a lot of words that don't even register as swearing these days.

Been offered a dashcam for free, thought I wouldn’t bother as I don’t drive much, but its worth it to catch spanners like this

My OH inherited y old Nissan Leaf which I'd hardwired a dashcam into.

She's removed it.

For "reasons".... sigh

DrP

Is it buggery.

Close.

Who lets these spanners out on the road?

Met Police seems reasonably good at responding to very clear offences reported through their online traffic crime reporting thing. I have some sympathy if they don't take action on every bit of wobbly low res helmet cam footage.

Berk and the First syllable of Berkshire don't rhyme.

You're berking up the wrong tree there...

... a car behind decides to start an overtake just as we pass the sign. Of course I’m already accelerating up to 60 by then [...]

By the time I got home I wondered if I’d done something wrong

You might or might not have done (I wasn't there), but bear in mind rule 168:

Rule 168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.

Yep - I am conscious of that, hence why I went back to take a look at the footage. I was driving as you would expect - going from a 30 to a NSL of course I’d accelerate. I was already starting to accelerate when the bloke behind pulled out. No use of indicators (he should have indicated to show his intention) and it wasn’t clear that he was intending to overtake until i has already started picking up speed, and he never even actually caught up with me, let alone actually started the overtake. It did occur to me to slow down / stop accelerating but then there is the chance of his running into the back of me as at no point was he actually in the other lane. So it’s bit “six of one half a dozen of the other”.

There's some sort of hunt in Berkshire isn't there?

Surprised nobody has asked the question - OP, what make of car where they driving?

Placing all bets!!!

BMW 2-1

Audi 3-2

Battered Ford Transit 5-1

Reliant Robin 100-1

VAG Group Spread Bets available

"Surprised nobody has asked the question – OP, what make of car where they driving?

Placing all bets!!!"

Teslas seem to have pretty short odds for the 'being driven by a twunt' stakes, company cars I guess.

I had an interesting day with the police recently as an observer in the HGV cab they're using to spot wrong 'uns. Half of the time was in the cab and the other half was in an unmarked Volvo being directed by the cab, so following up whatever they spotted. Amazing how many professional drivers think that the seatbelt law doesn't apply to them!

60 x increase in motorcycle-involved crash for cash staged accidents over 22-23 (wonder what is driving that increase?). You'd be mad not to have a dash cam these days.

Wazzocks, the bloomin lot of them

Surprised nobody has asked the question – OP, what make of car where they driving?

It was actually the dark horse of a..... FIAT 500!!!

DrP

A Fiat 500...

Had a guy in a beemer cutting folk up in rush hour, way quicker than everyone else, just before an average speed camera section.

Pulled into the outside land and stuck on the rear bumper of a Polestar. One blip of the pedal and the Polestar would have been gone into the distance.

Loads of noisy cars "cruising" around my local area. The usual stuff, clapped out fiestas and corsas with a ramshackle Halfords exhaust hanging off the back.

The fastest cars nowadays make no noise at all, however.

Yesterday my daughter handed over dashcam footage to plod, daughter not involved but was a witness to some of it.  She's been distraught, it's really affected her as the innocent woman driver has internal injuries and doesn't look good.  Daughter was comforting her until emergency services arrived.  Do hope justice will be served.

lurches forward, pulls into my land and overtakes the lorry, but forces me to emergency brake and swerve (not sure how much was me, or how much was the car doing it!)…

Did you feel a slight tingle in your hair? Like a piss weak static build-up. That'll be his small dick energy.

Moab - I don’t think there’s actually a portal to submit video to in Scotland is there?  I’ve assumed (but it’s a guess) that this was because we seem to make a meal of corroboration of stuff up here.  That doesn’t mean you ACTUALLY need two cops to collect the video and take a statement etc - but because it requires a bit of effort from both the cops and the prosecutor to know what needs corroborated, when and how the easy option is to do things the way they have for the last 50 years.

Good outcome.

From the thread title though I was dreading that a dashcam reporter had been tracked down by the reported party and been subjected to violence.

What dashcam do you have?

I've been watching a lot of these fly-on-the-wall cop shows of late, in a "there's sod all else on and I want to take my brain out for an hour" sort of way.  A lot of it is dashcam footage.  After seeing some of the horrors I'm tempted to get one myself.

I do wonder how long it'll be before they become factory fit as standard.  I already have a rear-facing camera for reversing, seems silly not to repurpose it when driving.  The front has a forward sensor array which would rival the Enterprise and I'm driving a Seat not a Constellation-class starship.

Berk isn’t actually toned down. It’s cockney rhyming slang for something you’ll have to Google yourself

As pointed out, it relates to upper class twits on horses chasing foxes around Berkshire.

I keep toying with the idea of getting a dashcam, but I’m doing less than half the annual mileage I was doing eighteen months ago, 4850 according to the mileage from last year’s MOT, so about 5000 by the time my car’s MOT’d in a couple of weeks or so; it was closer to 12,000 previously.

Loads of noisy cars “cruising” around my local area. The usual stuff, clapped out fiestas and corsas with a ramshackle Halfords exhaust hanging off the back.

The fastest cars nowadays make no noise at all, however.

Did a ride leader course at the weekend and a boy racer went past with a snap crackle and pop. I caused some disruption to the group by forgetting to disconnect my mouth from my brain and I said "I wish my penis was that small."

A mate who comes from a family of real car enthusiasts now has a Polestar and says he can't see a reason to get the "Sport" upgrade.

I do wonder how long it’ll be before they become factory fit as standard.

There is draft legislation/requirements being looked at in several markets. Both for parked cars (sentry mode for insurance type stuff) and external/internal cameras for moving vehicles, there is already a framework of sorts in place for internal camera monitoring in a couple of markets in the event of a serious (airbag deployed/seatbelt tensioners fired) crash.

It's all very drafty though, as there are massive issues around GDPR type stuff and self incrimination/5th amendment etc in multiple markets.

Pulled into the outside land and stuck on the rear bumper of a Polestar. One blip of the pedal and the Polestar would have been gone into the distance.

Was much more fun in the early days when most people didn't even recognise most EVs. XC40 BEV protos for instance, just looked like dumpy mini SUVs (usually with T2 badges). Much (perfectly legal) fun could be had with the pop bang guys and girls.

Ive uploaded a quite a few close passes and even someone going through a traffic light system on the wrong side of the road driving directly towards me to the Hampshire Snap website

I have never had any feedback from them about what happened

Ive also uploaded an incident to West Sussex's snap website when a horsebox van close passed me, then turned left  directly in front of me, within a day i had a reply saying they had spoken to the driver and offered them the choice of points or a driving course, they chose the driving course

It does annoy me that Hampshire Police do not inform you what happens after you have submitted your footage, you have no idea if its making any difference

There really needs to be benchmarking and standardisation on this (in England at least). I think DCS Andy Cox who’s a prominent voice in favour of dashcams has said there should be feedback as a) a NIP encourages further reporting and b) if people are told why not, then it improves quality.

What dashcam do you have?

In the Polestar I've got a Garmin Mini 2, just because i wanted the smallest decent camera I could fit BESIDE (not below) the rear view mirror gubbings..
There is a camera called a 'fitmax' that actually clips into the plastic around the mirror, so sits centrally and looks OEM, but i prefer brand names for things like this.

In teh leaf i had a top range Nextbase (622? I forget). The Nextbase was bulkier and had a screen. The image WAS better quality, but the Garmin is soo tiny, has a wide FOV, and i think the voice response is better. I.e "garmin, save video" is just instant.

A mate who comes from a family of real car enthusiasts now has a Polestar and says he can’t see a reason to get the “Sport” upgrade.

I'd agree there's no convincing argument to get it, other than "i want it"!! Car still drives the same, it's just got even MORE pull!

DrP

Anyone know how to get the garmin 40% discount for STW members?

I'm currently looking at this : https://www.halfords.com/technology/dash-cams/nextbase-320xrplus-front-and-rear-dash-cam-bundle-with-32gb-sd-card-508646.html

Seems to come in at £235 oince you add the hard wire kit and fiting cost...but looks a bit bulky so im looking at other option for simmilar money...would want front and rear though as I figure may aswell get both as a kit..?

In the Polestar…
There is a camera called a ‘fitmax’ that actually clips into the plastic around the mirror, so sits centrally and looks OEM, but i prefer brand names for things like this.

FitcamX. I’ve got one of their front and rear setups. It’s just as good as the Blackvues I’ve had in other cars. Convenient to get footage off as well, you can just pop the SD card out the side, although it does have the obligatory WiFi connected app. Well made, and really does look like part of the car once fitted

Only thing I miss about the Tesla builtin stuff was the ability to just tap a button on the screen to save a clip. Made it a lot easier to find stuff post-drive.

Cheers Ben..

Maybe I was just being a bit apprehensive about plugging in something that isn't Garmin or next base!

Nice to hear they actually work... And yes, they do look significantly better in a P2 as well!

DrP

I still think a driving refresher course every 5 years would be great, I do about 50k miles a year and the amount of idiots on phones or just being cretins is astounding

There really needs to be benchmarking and standardisation on this (in England at least).

Unfortunately budgets, policing priorities, etc. It needs to come from government and it'll be a looong way down the list on July 5th

Any thought on this?

https://www.halfords.com/technology/dash-cams/road-angel-halo-pro-2kplus-hd-award-winning-front-and-rear-dash-cam-657174.html

Price look good (comes in at £260 fitted?) and I dont really want a screen as it will be distracting?

Fame at last- Hubby and I had a close pass riding our tandem on a narrow lane (over the moors at Ludworth near Hayfield).  Even though we slightly pulled into a layby, she close passed us (I scream). The cyclist coming the other way was forced to dismount into the grass verge.

Further along, the couple have parked in the entrance of a farmers field. Five minutes later they pass us again, the male passenger leans out of the window, says 'wots yur problem? ' Calls hubby a w**ker 5 times. says we're a couple of gays on a stupid 'pussy' bike all the while filming us on his phone.  Look out for us on youtube/tiktok or some other social meeja on a screen soon. We have got a camera, but whether GM police will do anything I doubt it.

I've just pulled the trigger on a dashcam. front and rear nextbase 522GW, fitted with hardwired kit..

I wish I had it today...just saw a procession of maybe 20-30 riders on quads, Moto-X bikes and Suron type things pulling wheelies and all over the road, none looked road legal, and a lot were also 2's up with balaclavas/snoods and no helmets. On the main road from brighouse heading toward huddersfield.

I was going in the opposite direction and there were a few times when I thought some of them were going to veer into the other side of the road..absolute mayhem.

There was even what I would call a 'proper motorcyclist on a proper motorbike' infront of me, and he was just shaking his head at the spectacle... I wouldn't be supprised if a few of them end up as pavement pizza today.

@bunnyhop I’d chase that up if you don’t hear from GMP - Dame Sarah Storey probably a good place to start ATCommissioner@greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk

Jane.

if you were near Hayfield it’ll be Derbyshire police not GMP.

Derbyshire police told me a close pass by a bus was my fault for being on the road….

Is the report anonymous? I've got footage of a police officer drinking from a coffee cup whilst driving a marked car.

Derbyshire police told me a close pass by a bus was my fault for being on the road….

Derbyshire Police do a great job down here at the other end.

As pointed out, it relates to upper class twits on horses chasing foxes around Berkshire

Gloucestershire, not Berkshire. But, yes twits indeed.

Or, perhaps, nincompoops.

I just ordered a Nextbase622 and their rear camera, hopefully easy to wire in and set up.

I did have a look stupidly after I bought and a few comments on it being glitchy, freezing and overheating.

Will see how I get on.

Is the report anonymous?

No, it’s not.  You have to identify yourself, and say you’ll give evidence in court should it be needed

I’ve got footage of a police officer drinking from a coffee cup whilst driving a marked car.

And what makes you think they were doing anything illegal?

>I’ve got footage of a police officer drinking from a coffee cup whilst driving a marked car.

Is that illegal?

Is that illegal?

Not in and of itself... it is if you are deemed to not be in proper control of the vehicle. How exactly that is defined I don't know... swerving about or missing traffic signals etc?

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/know-how/driving-myths-your-questions-answered/

bit riskier than holding an apple...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/helicopter-scrambled-for-appleeating-driver-488199.html

Wow! Scramble the chopper!

I mean I'm not saying the driver was right or wrong, but what possible use could a helecopter be in a case like this, after she'd already been pulled over for the alleged offence? the mind boggles.

She was stopped by PC Lee Butler, who issued her with a £30 fine as part of a Northumbria Police drive against food or drink at the wheel.

Ok, fine...

The incident led to the dispatching of a police helicopter in order to take aerial photographs and videos, as well as nine preliminary hearings.

Say what?

bensales

Free Member

Is the report anonymous?

No, it’s not. You have to identify yourself, and say you’ll give evidence in court should it be needed

I’ve got footage of a police officer drinking from a coffee cup whilst driving a marked car.

And what makes you think they were doing anything illegal?

You learn something every day. I was always under the impression you couldn't.

Happy to be corrected, ta.

Off out for a drive and a coffee.

As long as you’re completely in control of the vehicle, you can be supping any drink, even a pint of beer, completely legally.

Managed to avoid purchasing a dash cam so far but Aussie Dash Cams keeps coming up on my YT feed and honestly, I think it's time I got one. Saw the clip of a guy in his 4by and a little kid runs out from between parked cars. Driver did well to stop but it could have been worse and how do you prove you weren't going too fast, distracted or not paying attention should this end up in court?

How many have front and rear cameras?

and how do you prove you weren’t going too fast, distracted or not paying attention should this end up in court?

Specialist accident investigators are part of the roads policing units and can determine an awful lot from the other evidence at the scene.

Funnily enough there's a big story on at the moment about alleged pseudoscience from "specialist accident investigators" being used to convict a man of homicide of his three children: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/it-could-be-any-of-us-top-scientists-sound-alarm-over-unreliable-evidence-20240528-p5jh7q.html

Coming after the fire investigation pseudoscience revelation we should all be cautious of big conclusions drawn from scant physical evidence: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/09/07/trial-by-fire