[Closed] Smoking is a pretty disgusting habit, but...

deadlydarcy - Member
Plenty of smokers manage it.

Nonsense.

Don't you realise my inadequacy is why I drink, smoke and eat Pies?

I ask you.... Where's the humanity?

*bursts into tears*

Bet half of you smoke haters think nothing of knocking back a bottle of some poncy whisky every week while sitting in you driftwood carved chair and fingering your axe while switching off the light to see the million dials on your hideous watch glow in the dark.Smoking is quite smelly tho so fair enough. 🙂

Above anything else, this thread just highlights how many w***ers there are that post on here. One can only hope that the many lurkers that don't post, are of a less sanctimonious/ignorant view. You'd probably guess from the fact they don't post, they are.

Smokers, generally, are fully aware of what a stupid and nasty habit it is.

They usually behave appropriately and not inflict it on anyone else. An ask to persist would be met with slight shame and immediate compliance.

However, it's just so easy to associate a smoker with some dole-claimer that lives on a council estate for some of you, an ignorant nob with a fag in his hand, or some poor bastard that is unfortunate enough to be drinking at the dog & duck at 11am, or "smelly scum".

So, to the people that throw your insults on this thread about smokers - you are just shouty, ignorant, stereotyping, generally unpleasant & offensive - well done you.

You know nothing about me, what I value, how I behave and the person I am.

Richard, 37 (fitter than you 🙂 ), smoker.

smoker

Oddly, I guessed that long before you explicitly stated it.

[i]Some[/i] smokers are considerate. [i]Some[/i] smokers are inconsiderate. That's the fact of the matter. There's no "generally" anything, as there rarely is when you're discussing any group of people.

Please allow me to do the whole "FTFY".

Some [s]smokers[/s] people are considerate. Some [s]smokers[/s] people are inconsiderate.

You'll have to shout. It's a long way up in those saddles.

Can't, I'm out of breath just using the keyboard.

Richard, 37, fitter than you, smoker.

And ever so slightly tetchy about people not respecting your right to smoke too I sense.

You are right though, I've lost my ability to be particularly sensitive and non judgemental about smokers. After my father died very young of lung cancer from a lifetime of smoking I have come to realise that those that truly loose out most to smoking are not the smokers themselves (they are now dead, it makes little odds to them) but their families. I've watched my mother come to terms with spending a good chunk of her life alone and with financial worry. It's heart breaking.

So yes, I do think your average smoker has a surplus of the selfish gene and I tend not to miss a chance to insult their ability to make good decisions and it being a pretty good indicator of poor personality traits. I spent a lifetime of the cajoling approach with my nearest and dearest with no effect so I've elected to take a more arsey attitude from now on! Sorry.

Personally, I couldn't give a monkey's if people smoke in beer gardens.
It's part of pub life as far as I'm concerned.

Never found it in the least bit irritating when a faint whiff of fag smoke comes my way.
Should I get myself to the docs sharpish to check out my lung function?

Please allow me to do the whole "FTFY".

I don't disagree, but we're not talking about all people, we're talking about smokers. So that's just a, erm, smokescreen.

Convert, I know you don't shy away from a contentious topic, but I'll pipe down. Sorry about what you've experienced, and you've every right to feel how you do.

Cougar, not sure what your point is.

I'm not sure I am either. (-:

Convert, we all do stuff that others could consider us to have the selfish gene. Probably even you.

Probably even you.

Undoubtably. Probably a huge hypocrite but I'd rather be that and made enough noise that even one person thought about their actions and changed their ways.

bearnecessities - Member
...Richard, 37 (fitter than you ), smoker.

A false dawn.

Let's check back on your status in 5-10 years time. You're soon going to hit the wall where smokers stop doing physical activity or get their heart attack while doing it.

How would people feel if the person in the beer garden next to them was farting continually, say every 10 or 15 seconds, and it was blowing your way?

I'd be really impressed. Everyone knows farting is funny.

They usually behave appropriately and not inflict it on anyone else. An ask to persist would be met with slight shame and immediate compliance.

You are joking? Any polite request is usually followed by swearing, "where the * am I supposed to smoke & a * ** inside if you don't like it,outside is for smoking"

This has happened at pubs & outside cafés

Thats not true, is it?

You've actually asked someone to stop smoking, and you've been met with a deluge of abuse? On a number of occasions? Really?

Could you get into specifics of what, and where, these incidents happened, because frankly I don't believe that for a second.

Epicyclo, pretty aware of that 😐 I really should pack it in. Stupid habit.

You've actually asked someone to stop smoking

I prefer not to talk to them at all tbh.

We got this once - sitting outside near the canal basin in Edinburgh after a bike ride - having a drink at the outside tables with all the bikes stacked up where we could see them.

Lassie comes out and starts having a go at us "the outside tables are for the smokers" was hilarious !

I don't blame you Bravissimo. Us smkers are so desensitised to the feelings of others, that we've retreated into our cynical and selfish shells, and the only way we can communicate with people of superior judgement and, well... just superior everything, is through profuse, aggressive swearing, and by blowing smoke into their children faces

Undoubtably. Probably a huge hypocrite but I'd rather be that and made enough noise that even one person thought about their actions and changed their ways.

Problem is by making all the noise you've more chance of no one listening.

A little sympathy for converts experiance, not in a similar way but my Mother used to smoke back in the 60'/70's/80's, Dad didn't. Dad died of bowel Cancer and Mom stopped smoking. Roll up to 3 years ago and now 83yrs of age shes started again. I went up to see her one weekend not long after and was amazed. No amount of talking to her persuaded to stop, she just said "my life, my business"
She's a strong willed old stick my Mother, that comment is what I would have expected.

Any polite request is usually followed by swearing, "where the * am I supposed to smoke & a * ** inside if you don't like it,outside is for smoking"

In my experience, it's usually followed with a grovelling apology and the other party offering to pay for my meal, all my drinks, a new suit from his personal Tailor, free use of his holiday villa in Monaco and a taxi home.

(Meaning, I've never actually asked either. But if I did, I imagine that's what would happen)

🙂

I reckon if they introduce an extended ban there will be very little fuss, and in a few years everyone will be saying "why didn't we do that years ago?“

Undoubtably. Probably a huge hypocrite but I'd rather be that and made enough noise that even one person thought about their actions and changed their ways.

Absolutely. Its only human nature to respond in an overwhelming positive manner when someone adopts a lofty, morally superior tone, and haughtily informs me that I am an idiot, and my lifestyle choices, which are far inferior to theirs, need to change

Absolutely. Its only human nature to respond in an overwhelming positive manner when someone adopts a lofty, morally superior tone, and haughtily informs me that I am an idiot, and my lifestyle choices, which are far inferior to theirs, need to change

Well it might work for someone - just maybe not you. Most smokers are pretty thick skinned it seems. The cajoling approach doesn't seem to work on a lot. If some can be shamed into stopping because you feel socially despised or made to think about the long term impact on loved ones that most smokers like to brush over that's great. If it just makes you just feel insulted - well there's no great loss there in my book. Sorry, I've yet to meet a smoker I don't feel superior to because it is such a visible sign of failure as a person and I suspect most non smokers feel the same. Most (and me for years) just choose not to articulate it. As a smoker I suspect you just don't see it.

What happened to your attempts to stop? I remember reading your posts about your attempts to stop over the years. Conscious decision to go back or did it just beat you? Do you ever connect you kids being likely to loose their father from their life earlier than necessary to the act of pulling the packet out of your pocket or the possibility you won't get to meet your grandkids?

I've yet to meet a smoker I don't feel superior to because it is such a visible sign of failure as a person

You should write a self-help book for all the people who are inferior to you. Don't just stop at smoking though. That would be a travesty. You seem to just have so much to give, that we could all benefit from.

What happened to your attempts to stop? I remember reading your posts about your attempts to stop over the years. Conscious decision to go back or did it just beat you?

I'm just weak and pathetic. A snivelling, grovelling excuse of a man. Not fit to be in the same beer garden as men of stature such as yourself

Are you avoiding the question? What happened to your attempt to stop? You obviously thought you wanted to at some point.

I'm just weak and pathetic. A snivelling, grovelling excuse of a man. Not fit to be in the same beer garden as men of stature such as yourself

I know you are saying this as a backhanded insult but in this regard at least, you know what, you are probably not far off the mark. As I said above I've given up with being cajoling and diplomatic and just say it as I see it. Sorry if it is offensive.

edit - just to add. I'm not bothered about a bit of smoke in a beer garden. Weirdly I quite like the smell - reminds me of my childhood 😉

Fun as at is discussing my glaring character flaws, and imminent death - getting back to the subject in hand - [url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/campaign-to-make-pubs-unbearable-continues-20150814101114 ]The Mash nails it yet again[/url] 😀

Sorry if it is offensive

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whos the dailymash reporter on here....as if by magic.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/campaign-to-make-pubs-unbearable-continues-20150814101114

appologies if its been posted in here before but i lost interest in binners comments.

Binners is getting to the point of it, it's an excuse for middle-class whiny cockbags to act superior. You know the sort of ponces, graphic designers who say they love Greggs (in an ironic way of course), like 6 Music and spend their time doing sickeningly twee things like designing t-shirts for their gang of cycling mates. They should leave pubs for good old salt of the earth types who'd deck you if you asked them not to blow cancer in your face and then try and drown you in Carlsberg.

You are floundering a bit now binners.

Am I? Oh.....

I just like to make everyone feel a bit better about themselves. A bit... you know... superior. Its public service really. As I've said countless times already... a bit of gratitude wouldn't go amiss

*nips outside to have a fag in the pissing rain*

I work in a pub.
Apart from smokers not causing anyone any bother (believe me, I'd know about it straight away... :wink:) I'm just glad that 99.999% of my customers are not the arseholes being either described or demonstrated on this forum.

And that even includes the great many cyclists that frequent my beautiful boozer.
🙂

I've yet to meet a smoker I don't feel superior to

Correct, we haven't met. 😆

"graphic designers who say they love Greggs (in an ironic way of course), like 6 Music and spend their time doing sickeningly twee things like designing t-shirts for their gang of cycling mates. "

You know binners personnally ?

I'd say superiority is as big a character floor as smoking to be honest. You are not better than a smoker, you are just a person who doesn't smoke.

I'm just weak and pathetic. A snivelling, grovelling excuse of a man. Not fit to be in the same beer garden as men of stature such as yourself

We don't need a windsock. We have our own ingenious method of telling which direction the wind is going. We blow smoke into it. We then go downwind of people.

As stated ad bloody nauseum, your problem isn't smokers, your problem is inconsiderate people who happen to smoke.

Right, even I'm bored with the cyclical nature of this discussion now.

I'm going to reflect on my many and varied inadequacies, and maybe have a little cry

I'd say superiority is as big a character floor as smoking to be honest. You are not better than a smoker, you are just a person who doesn't smoke.

Well I'm clearly not going to agree 🙂

As a sentient adult the choice to continue smoking despite the evidence and without regard to your family long term, or the inability to give up once addicted are not positive character traits - end of. Just can't be disputed. I don't have those character traits ergo in that regard (only that regard) I am superior. When I see a smoker I don't immediately fear for my personal health through secondary smoking or any of that bobbins - I just feel sorry for them.

Sorry, I've yet to meet a smoker I don't feel superior to because it is such a visible sign of failure as a person and I suspect most non smokers feel the same.

I'd suggest the simple fact that you claim to be superior to someone else in any regard marks you down as having a less than perfect character. You should maybe have a closer look at yourself.

Oh, and I'm a non smoker and do not feel the same.

I'd suggest the simple fact that you claim to be superior to someone else in [b]any regard[/b] marks you down as having a less than perfect character.

Taking that to it's logical conclusion, you don't feel even just a tiny bit superior to a pedophile, a murderer, someone who enjoys a bit of animal cruelty or a good old fashion fly tipper? If not [i]superior[/i] (maybe the word has a nasty ring to it) how would you describe yourself in comparison to them - please don't just say 'different' or any other PC bullshit. I feel you maybe have self esteem issues 😉

binners - Member

As stated ad bloody nauseum, your problem isn't smokers, your problem is inconsiderate people who happen to smoke.

You're right. And as a smoker, these people are your problem too. Because as long as there's inconsiderate smokers, there's going to be harsh rules that disadvantage you. Just don't blame the nonsmokers.

I don't think I'm superior but I do think those you mention are c***s.

Well unless you also perceive yourself as a see you next tuesday I suspect a philosopher would have a field day with your concept of superiority. It's a word with modern day connotation I appreciate but it's meaning is relatively simple!

i saw a smoker jump a red light

Well unless you also perceive yourself as a see you next tuesday I suspect a philosopher would have a field day with your concept of superiority. It's a word with modern day connotation I appreciate but it's meaning is relatively simple!

As you know and I know how the word is used and what tends to be meant when it is used, answers like that simply confirm the type of person you are. I expect those around you are not quite as keen as you think they are to hear your opinion.

Just messing with NW's post... (not an annoying FTFY)

You're right. And as a [s]smoker[/s] dog-owner, these people are your problem too. Because as long as there's inconsiderate [s]smokers[/s] dog-owners, there's going to be harsh rules that disadvantage you. Just don't blame the non-[s]smokers[/s] dog-owners.

Bit clunky, but binners' attitude on dog threads is very similar to those with whom he has a problem with on this thread. One would almost think he didn't really [i]mean[/i] this stuff. 🙂

As you know and I know how the word is used and what tends to be meant when it is used, answers like that simply confirm the type of person you are. I expect those around you are not quite as keen as you think they are to hear your opinion.

Believe it or not I'm a pretty mild mannered person with a live and let live attitude to most things and pretty self-deprecating. If you read back, smoking and I have a history; hence the change in attitude and therefore language towards smokers. It's something I'm quite happy to be opinionated about. If you want to be a smoker apologist (my previous position) crack on.

Not read all 25 odd pages but...

If you are spending long enough in beer gardens that you are worried by the affects of passive smoking on your health, then I'd suggest you also need to to be thinking long and hard about how much time you spend drinking...

I'd suggest you also need to to be thinking long and hard about how much time you spend drinking...

My kids don't drink.

Mine is the reason I drink!

😆

My kids don't drink.

so I assume they don't spend much time in beer gardens then...in which case its not really going to be an issue for their health is it.

Ignoring the 'health impact', as for the general argument of 'its smelly and pollutes the air around me..', i can understand that a little more, but then again you could make the same argument for anyone who drives a car..don't hear much of an outcry on here to ban them...

so I assume they don't spend much time in beer gardens then...in which case its not really going to be an issue for their health is it.

That depends if we're having a meal or not.

don't hear much of an outcry on here to ban them...

Are you new here?

Drac...I'm pretty sure that your kids having the odd meal out in a beer garden surrounded by smokers won't have any affects on their health...

I'm not arguing it doesn't smell etc etc, but the affects of irregular passive smoking whilst outside are fairly remote i'd expect.

fyi...i'm a non smoker

I'm not arguing it doesn't smell etc etc, but the affects of irregular passive smoking whilst outside are fairly remote I'd expect.

Perversely (given my anti smoking ranting) I agree. I see the health threat of passive smoking in the outdoors as a red herring. You could have an issue with the antisocial smell aspect but again that doesn't really bother me either. Annoys the hell out of my wife but she was brought up in a non smoking household so maybe that's why she notices it so much.

Passive smoking is very harmful to kids, if you can smell it then you're breathing it in.

Passive smoking is very harmful to kids, if you can smell it then you're breathing it in.

but sitting next to someone smoking outside once in a while is a million miles away from growing up in a house full of smoke, travelling everyday in a car full of smoke, or working 9 hours a day in a smoke filled environment.

I think you'd need to spend a long time in a beer garden for it to have any tangible affect on ones health

If you are spending long enough in beer gardens that you are worried by the affects of passive smoking on your health, then I'd suggest you also need to to be thinking long and hard about how much time you spend drinking...

I'd suggest that comment is trying to divert away from the issue and conflating an activity that can harm the individual with one that harms the individual AND anyone else unfortunate enough to be nearby.

Plenty of people go out to pubs to socialise or with their family, it's not *just* about alcohol consumption.

Similarly you can easily go out and get hammered in no time, or spend an entire afternoon with your pals and only have a couple of alcoholic drinks (or none at all, shock!).

Bloody hell I can't believe I've missed 9 whole pages of holier than thou-ness and patronising condescension. Smoking fags and drinking beer (especially together) are one of life's unalterable pleasures. That's why people have done it for thousands of years.

If you are spending long enough in beer gardens that you are worried by the affects of passive smoking on your health, then I'd suggest you also need to to be thinking long and hard about how much time you spend drinking...

This 100% 🙂

As stated ad bloody nauseum, your problem isn't smokers, your problem is inconsiderate people who happen to smoke.

And, as I stated on one of the previous uses of this: The root of the problem isn't that they're inconsiderate, it's that they're smoking. Were they not smoking, they could be inconsiderate anywhere they liked.

I think you'd need to spend a long time in a beer garden for it to have any tangible affect on ones health

Which can be done without drinking excessively.

Which can be done without drinking excessively.

Being pedantic it could yes...but in reality, how may hours over the past 12 months have you and your family spend sitting in beer gardens..enough for passive smoking to be a health concern. honestly?

To be honest I'm far more irritated by kids in beer gardens than I am smokers...;-)

Bloody hell I can't believe I've missed 9 whole pages of holier than thou-ness and patronising condescension. Smoking fags and drinking beer (especially together) are one of life's unalterable pleasures. That's why people have done it for thousands of years.

This + 1000

"I went to this casino and everyone was gambling! The idiots! Surely they know they'll lose some money. I was appalled and my children were very upset"

how may hours over the past 12 months have you and your family spend sitting in beer gardens..enough for passive smoking to be a health concern. honestly?

A few but not as many as I'd like as the beer gardens not as many as I would like to because the smokers spoil the dinning experience. So we sit inside to avoid them, now there's a chance we don't have to.

Being pedantic it could yes

Ermmm! Ok.

"I went to this casino and everyone was gambling! The idiots! Surely they know they'll lose some money. I was appalled and my children were very upset"

That's the best you could come up with?

That's the best you could come up with?

That was your comeback?

Take your kids to a nice cafe if you don't want them to risk inhaling a hint of tobacco.
Take your helicopter, you'll get there quicker! 😆

Take your kids to a nice cafe if you don't want them to risk inhaling a hint of tobacco.

I do that too but often sitting outside isn't an option because the smokers make it unpleasant and passive smoking is harmful.

Take your helicopter, you'll get there quicker!

Nah! We use our Jet.

I know I'm in the minority apart from one poster above but I like the smell of smoke fron fags. Reminds me of my childhood.
So, for that reason I'm biased.
Not right, just biased. 🙂

I think a chain of pubs for smokers only will do well.

I think a chain of pubs for smokers only will do well.

I think the smoking ban could present something of a problem.

For that reason, I'm out.

If you want to smoke fine, just show some consideration for others and get a space away from others. Kids around, eating areas, huddled around pub restaurant\pub doorways for me is inconsiderate.

Unfortunately some need laws\rules to try and make that happen.

The hospital here is just amazing, all the time there are smokers all around the entrances half covered semi enclosed areas rain or shine, patients and visitors despite endless signs and smoking areas within 10-30meters.

I was coming back to the hospital after a welcome few hours day release at home and this woman smoking right by the back door where I had no choice to walk straight past here, she commented to another smoker that it was alright to smoke there as she point out the disgusting pile of butts all around on the floor. So I said no its not
actually is it. I pointed out the dozen or so no smoking signs plus gas store no flame signs and the smoking shelter 20meters away and reminded her this was a hospital with sick people coming and going not wanting to breath that in. She apparently hadn't seen any if the signs, shelter and just carried on and called me a few names as I shuffled of with baldy head and mask on.
She and plenty of others are just willful ignorant people who just simply wouldn't think.
No not all smokers are like that I know. I only have one friend who does and shes as considerate as they come with it.
Considering smoking rated are coming down, smoking litter is still pretty rife in places which bugs me too.
Don't get me started on the 6month ish looking pregnant woman smoking by the same hospital door just last week.

Rant over

I know I'm in the minority apart from one poster above but I like the smell of smoke fron fags. Reminds me of my childhood.

My Dad never smoked in the car but his friend who was a very heavy smoker did and on school runs it stunk, I remember that so hate it. My Dad has serious heart problems brought on by smoking and his friend, well he died before he was 60. He enjoyed life's pleasure of smoking and drinking but not for very long.

binners - Member
Thats not true, is it?
You've actually asked someone to stop smoking, and you've been met with a deluge of abuse? On a number of occasions? Really?

I've also been asked, outside a café "as you're not smoking, can I have your table, outside is for smokers really, non smokers should be inside"

Sat outside a lovely cafe in the sunshine a couple of weeks ago, i paper in hands, espresso on the table. Along come a couple who sit down and both crack up a fag.

Why cant I enjoy the fresh morning air?