[Closed] Smoking is a pretty disgusting habit, but...

Open air eating areas and school entrances, ban them.

Not fussed about the rest though.

I'm not a smoker but banning it in beer gardens is excessive. Is the next step to ban the beer in the beer gardens also?

Crisps are bad for you as well. Ban them while you are at it.

Hope they do ban it everywhere round pubs. I used to smoke but can't stand the smell now, while I am eating it is especially nasty thing. I know quite a few people who don't go to pubs nowadays in the summer as you can't sit outside without having cigarette smoke around you all the time, drinking or eating. At least when you could smoke inside the filthy smokers used to skulk around at the bar instead.

About time I say.

Crisps are bad for you as well. Ban them while you are at it.

No one ever died from passive crisp eating and they don't stink the place out when your trying to enjoy a meal or pint.

I'd prefer beer gardens to be non-smoking so gets my vote

Oh and the tax issue - I'd rather pay more tax to make up for the loss of money from cigarette duty if it meant I didn't ever see another person die from slowly asphyxiating to death from emphysema like my lovely grandma in law did after running pubs all her life.

pub near us hasa a small beer garden theyve squeezed a bouncy castle and a slide in, so naturally its full of kids bouncing through clouds of fag smoke!

MoreCashThanDash - Member
Open air eating areas and school entrances, ban them.

Not fussed about the rest though.

this +1

Does seem a bit rough. I agree with the school ban and eating areas but an amount of live and let live is needed, but also people smoking need to be awear which way teh wind is blowing and where others are e.t.c.

I'm not a smoker but banning it in beer gardens is excessive. Is the next step to ban the beer in the beer gardens also?

This goes doubly for anywhere that serves food too.

if the place serves food - smoking ban.

****ing in considerate ****ers getting blown ash in my food is the one thing i cannot stand.

I'd prefer beer gardens to be non-smoking so gets my vote

This. The only downside of the smoking ban is that any wee terrace type space outside a nice bar is minging.

Simon Clark, director of the smokers' group Forest, said he welcomed ideas that encouraged people to use electronic cigarettes but they should not rely on "coercion and prohibition".
He told the BBC: "Banning smoking outside pubs and bars will discriminate against adults who quite legitimately prefer to smoke.
"It won't stop people smoking, it will simply deter more people from going to the pub and that could lead to even more pub closures."

Err except the recent bans have reduced smoking loads, so why will this not help even more? Barmy.

And the pub closure argument - who cares if more close anyway? Anyway that argument is extremely weak, akin to saying that making people wear seat belts in cars will stop people buying cars. What a moron.

I'm not a smoker but banning it in beer gardens is excessive. Is the next step to ban the beer in the beer gardens also?

Did you give that any thought before you hit 'Send Post'?

" The only downside of the smoking ban is that any wee terrace type space outside a nice bar is minging."

Although - this is a little more preferable than the WHOLE bar being minging.....

sounds like a good proposal to me.

don't mind there being a dirty smoking corner for those that really must partake.

Yeah, pubs closed due to brewery cartels and people don't have any frackin money to spend on going out any more, not smokers.

A beer garden with kids and a bouncy castle that sounds like hell.

I have always thought a person could make a lot of money out of a restaurant/pub chain that banned children entirely and wasn't ashamed of it.

I would be happy for smoking to only be legal in any place the general public cant access. Ie a persons own home. I cannot think of any place that I can justify them being allowed to smoke where I or the general public would be present were it is remotely acceptable.

All of my immediate family smoke and they are as ignorant as all other smokers to its effects. I have just come back from my brothers wedding abroad and it was vomit inducingly obvious that the 'brits abroad; had suddenly been allowed to smoke in public whilst away from the uk. I was ashamed tbh because it was so obvious that they had been let out of their cages to puff on their cancer sticks and would soon be put back in their boxes when they went home.

Again, I have also returned from a family holiday to Lanzerote. Sat around a hotel pool and two teenagers/early 20's sat on the spare sun lounger next to me and my kids. Lit their fags and then for some reason produced the biggest plumes of smoke I have ever seen from 2 fags. After 5mins of this I pointed out I was not happy at my kids breathing in their shite and they moved on. Funnily enough other people were smoking around us but producing 1/10th of the effect these two hip youngsters were and they were blowing it directly in my kids faces.

So, unless smokers get some kind of electrical taser device that fires when they are being antisocial then it should be banned from 100% of areas open to the general public. Ie everywhere except their home.

I have always thought a person could make a lot of money out of a restaurant/pub chain that banned children entirely and wasn't ashamed of it.

Where as others have realised that people like to take their families out and have made a lot of money out of it and not been ashamed of it.

I have always thought a person could make a lot of money out of a restaurant/pub chain that banned children entirely and wasn't ashamed of it.

Yet nobody has tried it...or at least very few. If there was so much money in it, surely some clever shit would have tried it? Maybe give it a go yourself? Plenty pubs/cafe bars around me request that there be no children after a certain time - usually 8.30/9ish, which is fair enough.

A crappy old child-unfriendly pub near me closed its doors recently. Local FB site has just seen an announcement that it will be taken over and re-opened by a pretty cool family friendly café-bar - seems the neighbourhood is pretty excited at the prospect. I'm certain it'll do very well. Go figure eh?

hate smoking.
more of this please.

TLH - they probably weren't taking the smoke into their lungs, like you're supposed to get the full benefit (err maybe not the right word!) of the smoke. I don't know how it works but if you keep the smoke in your mouth and blow it out it is much more intense. A lot of new/younger smokers do this.

You know the other 51 weeks a year, when the suns not out? Well you'll still find us in the beer garden. We're effectively residents. Because it's the only place we can smoke without offending the oh-so-delicate sensibilities of the bed-wetting fraternity, and inducing fits of the sort of whiney, pompous, i-know-what's-good-for-you, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier than thou bleating this thread will doubtless soon be full of.

So... in short.... seeing as that's the only place we've got left for our slow-motion suicide attempts, you can all **** off!

the only place

It's not, no.

i-know-what's-good-for-you,

It's what's good for me I'm bothered about.

Gets my vote - dirty, smelly habit. I don't want to sit in a beer garden enjoying a pint just to have someone near me smoking and having the smoke waft in my direction.

Filthy horrible habit.

Cigarette smoke is pretty unpleasant stuff if you have to breath it in and I'm glad I no longer have to suffer it in office spaces, but I've never got the whole "smoking is disgusting" thing. Unpleasant and unhealthy, yes.

dirty, smelly

To be fair, that's binners before he's even lit up.

hels - Member

A beer garden with kids and a bouncy castle that sounds like hell.

Depends, am I allowed on the bouncy castle? We get one every year for graduation, I don't think I'm strictly allowed on it but no ****'s going to tell [i]me[/i] not to go on a bouncy castle when I'm supposed to be working, it's a basic human right.

Careful, you might hurt yourself.

as with all things like this, going with the opposite of the DM readership is always a safe bet, so I think it's a good idea 😉

About time I say.

+1

And if you refer to having a pint in the beer garden as [i]al fresco drinking[/i] then you deserve waterboarding!

And if you refer to having a pint in the beer garden as al fresco drinking then you deserve waterboarding!

It's not as it's full of smokers so not very al fresco at all.

robdob, think you are right.

Smoking definitely falls into the disgusting category for me. Not far behind me pissing on your leg without permission tbh.

Having livid with it for 16yrs as a kid I know how ignorant a smoker is to the effect it has on others.

The one that really annoys me in the UK is mothers smoking in playparks. My kids are there, its a public facility and they think its ok to smoke in 'the open'. If only to make up for their ignorance all smoking should be illegal unless in their own home

You know the other 51 weeks a year, when the suns not out? Well you'll still find us in the beer garden.

You're allowed inside. No-one is forcing you to smoke.

thinking about it now.

just back from california.

Ate out and went to pubs alot came across this issue precisely zero times.

who would have thought americans with better manners than the brits.

binners + 1, but mostly because this whole message feeds the current British puritanical, snobby hater mentality.
It's funny how the people that support this regulate everything approach also don't want a nanny/communist state 🙄

Bring back tolerance I say.

Actually, I quite like the smell of pipe tobacco.

Can we make an exception for pipe smokers?

sounds like a good proposal to me.
don't mind there being a dirty smoking corner for those that really must partake.

Beer gardens are outdoors, the air is SUPPOSED to be fresh.

Having livid with it for 16yrs as a kid I know how ignorant a smoker is to the effect it has on others.

**** 'em. It's disgusting. Like shitting in public, everyone finds it disgusting except the guy doing it. Although saying that, at least the smell of feces isn't carcinogenic, and it doesn't carry as far.

trail rat hit the nail on the head and I alluded to it earlier. Its not the ban, its the fact the brits have no manners in this respect whatsoever. My own family & Friends had zero respect for all the other people in Italy when they turned the streets and bars of Lake Garda into a smokey cesspit. Others smoked, but for some reason it was the 'gathering' that caused it to be so obvious. You couldn't eat, drink or just chat without feeling sick.

Brits just aren't capable of respecting someone elses right to not breathe in their second hand smoke.

binners + 1, but mostly because this whole message feeds the current British puritanical, snobby hater mentality.

I dunno. I'd gladly see smoking cut out in some of the urban beer "gardens" (often fairly enclosed patios or decks) around me. I'm not a snobby hater. I'm far from puritanical. Has it crossed your mind that there might be more like me?

Air is air, it's not really supposed to be anything.

Beer gardens are outdoors, the air is SUPPOSED to be fresh.

Ever look out over the countryside at the horizon on a sunny day... you know that yellowy brown tinge... guess what?

A beer garden is over the horizon?

johndoh I can relate to that. My bedroom was my only escape. Car journies in a 2 door car where they would open their window a little to ease the smoke. What it really did was blow the smoke into the back straight into my face.

Going to school smelling like 20 Benson & Hedges even though you had showered and covered everything in a tin of linx.

If parents will do that to their own kids that they are supposed to love, how can you not see that the only way to stop it is to illeglaise it.

What I do find interesting is that passive smoking is recognised as a health issue that needs to be tackled with tight controls (rightly IMO).

But more general air quality and pollution issues are carefully ignored.

I don't imagine passive exhaust fumes are much better for you than passive tobacco smoke, but suggestions on restricting cars don't seem to go down so well.

I would like to see it banned in all shared or public spaces including streets. Its air pollution.

you know that yellowy brown tinge

Is it straw coloured...maybe it's a...

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I'd gladly see smoking cut out in some of the urban beer "gardens" (often fairly enclosed patios or decks) around me.

Mmm . . .Are you not in Bristol? Skunk city and you don't need to be anywhere near a Pub.

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Crisps are bad for you as well. Ban them while you are at it.

No one ever died from passive crisp eating and they don't stink the place out when your trying to enjoy a meal or pint.

I agree, but to your "they don't stink the place out" I cheerfully submit:

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You are wrong Graham. I went to the Mercedes factory recently for their big dirty vans.

I asked why there was no air treatment in the facility especially at the end of the line where they fired the vehicles up which I would expect is the point it would be needed.

Ahh my friend, he replied. That is because the air coming out is cleaner than the air going in.

That was at Euro5 levels and 70% of the range is now already Euro 6 compliant. The levels are now so low that we are talking 0.01% improvements in standards because their aint much more they can do.

Vehicle immissions in this country is strictly adhered to and it is impossible to register new vehicles that don't comply. To the point where older stock vehicles that don't qualify are destroyed by manufacturers. It may not be healthy for you to suck on a exhaust pipe, however It is wrong to suggest that it is not being controlled in much the same way as smoking.

I agree, but to your "they don't stink the place out" I cheerfully submit:

They're not crisps.

I'd just like to apologise. How wrong was I about the whiney, pompous, i-know-what's-good-for-you, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier than thou bleating, eh?

Heres my prediction: If this happens, then within twelve months there will be no pubs left.

In my experience smokers tend to like a few, as we're generally a dedicated bunch, fully committed to shortening our lifespans by all means possible.

The kind of person who enjoys loftily, and humourlessly pontificating on why everything they don't personally like should be immediately banned, will doutless be the same ones who turn up at their local twice a year (once prior to christmas, and once on Colins birthday on a June afternoon, if the suns out) where they will spend an hour nursing a pint of Scruttocks Old Gobshite, commenting on its hoppy overtones, before disappearing for another 6 months. Then driving past one day and complaining that its a real shame that all the pubs are now Tesco Metro's, and they'll have to drive to the nearest pub now, when its Colins birthday next year

Heres my prediction: If this happens, then within twelve months there will be no pubs left.

Pompous smokers declared that when they banned smoking inside pubs and restaurants. There's still pubs and we've had 3 open/reopen here in the last 12 months.

I reckon i'm going to get in to house breaking or something. i mean if all the polis are chasing people about the street for smoking, sounds like it's shooty in! 😆

i mean if all the polis are chasing people about the street for smoking,

You haven't read the proposal then?

Wow - the sanctimony levels are reaching critical on this thread today !

Heres my prediction: If this happens, then within twelve months there will be no pubs left.

I know you're annoyed about this binbins, but don't go letting it affect your sense of proportion now, eh?

The kind of person who enjoys loftily, and humourlessly pontificating...

Not that you'd ever be guilty of that kind of thing. 😆

If what you say is true I would suggest there is a market for a pub in every town which is full enclosed, has amazing air filtration systems and can house hundreds of smokers to puff away until their hearts and lungs are content.

Surely even me as an avid non smoker would be happy to see this happen.

But it doesn't, because as much as you need your fix, you are not willing to keep it to yourself. Your posts even display this attitude. I may come across as 100% anti smoking but I would welcome legalised smoking houses where only smokers could go. You on the other hand have no consideration for people who want to avoid smoking.

You want to smoke in public or around those who don't?
Then make sure those around you can't inhale your smoke.
Until you can - then don't come near me or my kids - regardless of whether it's a pub, restaurant, high street, etc.
Same as vaping - I don't want to smell or inhale that shite - so sod off to the same place as the smokers.
Heres an idea - you want to smoke in a pub garden then get a nice greenhouse - with an extraction and filtration system. You can still enjoy the sun and heat just without subjecting anyone other than the other suicide cult members.

If what you say is true I would suggest there is a market for a pub in every town which is full enclosed, has amazing air filtration systems and can house hundreds of smokers to puff away until their hearts and lungs are content.

No, NO! [b]NO!![/b]

I don't like it, so therefore it should be banned. Do you not get it?!

If what you say is true I would suggest there is a market for a pub in every town which is full enclosed, has amazing air filtration systems and can house hundreds of smokers to puff away until their hearts and lungs are content.

And no ****ing kids!

You are wrong Graham. I went to the Mercedes factory recently for their big dirty vans.
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Ahh my friend, he replied. That is because the air coming out is cleaner than the air going in.

You mean modern cars are now so clean that they are actively removing pollution from the environment? I'd like to see the figures for that!

Fair point about it being controlled though.

I think the point I was making that lots of people are happy to ban smoking from social places, but would be unhappy to ban cars from them.

+1 non smoking beer gardens.

Fag smoke is minging.

God knows how/why I used to smoke?!

Car journies in a 2 door car where they would open their window a little to ease the smoke. What it really did was blow the smoke into the back straight into my face.

At least it was a small car 😉 I remember the 70s-80s -when manly men smoking cigars drove an XJS to the pub, stubbed it out on a child's head before ordering 20 Bensons at the bar to assist them in a chain-smoking fueled rant at the horrors of women drivers, women in management, women in the bar, women in trousers and immigrants.

Thankfully car usage hasn't risen since then and 'passive' traffic pollution has few if any ill-effects on cyclists, children, pedestrians, al-fresco diners or those driving electric vehicles. Outdoors smokers deserve all of the scorn here, they are a selfish stinky bunch of ne'er do-wells.

(Rolls a GV smooth, inserts methol tip, cycles to chemist to fetch Pearl Drops toothpaste)

I agree with Binners, but as every time I end up in a beer garden* he seems to be there too, so I suppose I would that. Can’t say I’ve noticed the smoke, but if I did I’d probably just move a couple of feet further away.

*If I go with the kids with the intention of eating outside we’ll check to see how vile and terrible it is. If it is vile and terrible we’ll eat inside.

If there is a bouncy castle we wouldn’t consider it. The pub near me has one of these on bank holidays and it looks like a magnate for hyped up kids and their stressed out parents. No wonder they smoke.

What I do not understand is that people can drive a car and smoke at the same time, yet eating an apple, or sipping a drink is not allowed

By Binners:

"Heres my prediction: If this happens, then within twelve months there will be no pubs left."

??????

Ahh my friend, he replied. That is because the air coming out is cleaner than the air going in.

That was at Euro5 levels and 70% of the range is now already Euro 6 compliant. The levels are now so low that we are talking 0.01% improvements in standards because their aint much more they can do.

You shouldn't believe everything the manufacturers tell you. In the real world, new vehicles get nowhere near the Euro 6 emissions standard. Given that vehicle emissions are the dominant source of poor urban air quality, it's a shocking state of affairs.

I'd just like to apologise. How wrong was I about the whiney, pompous, i-know-what's-good-for-you, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier than thou bleating, eh?

And the person bleating loudest on this thread is...

Looks like after a few attempts, Loddrik's hit the jackpot with this one. 🙂

Can I add ugly fat hairy old people to the list of things that we can ban from pubs ? And dance music.

Pool tables are acceptable and should be encouraged, as are pinball machines.

Oh yes, and beards. Especially on the women.

hels - Member
Oh yes, and beards. Especially on the women.

Your moustache is looking tremendous though Hels 8)

Drac - Moderator
i mean if all the polis are chasing people about the street for smoking,
You haven't read the proposal then?

I agree with th smoking ban, but this is verging on fascism! 😆

Binners for president 😀 I agree with everything you say and I'm not even a smoker. But I am a true liberal, not in the political but the literal sense. Only thing you got wrong is my birthday, it's in May not June 😆

id be exceedingly happy to ban cars from cities..... park and rides on the edges with regular links - something like san francisco.

knowing our government you would get a ban on cars , 5 parking spaces and a bus every 7 hours.