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Perhaps we should take the discussion to the TMS thread? I've always liked Colly, but actually I'd say the 2005 team wasn't necessarily a great example of resilient doughty individuals per se: you had attention whores like Vaughn, KP and Freddy, you had Tresco who ultimately succumbed to his inner demons two years later, Belly in full Sherminator guise, a spinner who couldn't turn the ball, a quick bowler who was just as prone to sending it to 2nd slip as he was the stumps, and a keeper who couldn't catch.
I'd actually say it's a wonder how we won at all! 😀
DezB. I don't think it's gibbering. Read that and agreed with much of the sentiment. Top level football lost me as a regular viewer many years ago.
I have zoned in with mild interest to catch the odd score, or 5 mins here or there. The histrionics and screaming at the referee is what mainly turned me off the game. I have found watching other sports where greater respect is shown for opponents and officials is more enjoyable. This isn't snobbery, as I used to love the game. What little I have seen of VAR seems to have been exciting and dragged football into the 21st century, but this should be used to clamp down on play acting which is blatant cheating.
Under 12's competing in the park are tougher than these saps, who should all be embarrassed and ashamed. I normally turn off after one of the many high definition replay which shows a player pole axed by being farted on, and the subsequent mellee around the referee which should have resulted in half a dozen bookings.
I reckon that the of the total fouls given, despite many being a good decision, between 80 and 90% will have involved some form of play acting by the aggrieved player. I don't think this figure is too high.
Maybe..... but collectively they went toe to toe with the toughest and came out on top.
Bangers is a great example. On the field he was tough as boots, I think it was as his career waned and he started facing the demons of a life outside the game that the pressure told. Such a shame, but afflicts many.
Harmison - the yips came later. I remember him more for hitting Langer in the first over of the series, then worked Ponting over.....
Giles - another good'un. Not the best spinner by a long chalk but just the sort to tough out that last session at Trent Bridge with Hoggard.
And Jones - valuable runs, and he held the one that mattered.
DezB. I don’t think it’s gibbering
It's just what some pillock, who obviously enjoys that aspect of football, called it when I mentioned it a few pages back
You and yon journalist guy are both full of shit tbh. Possibly best world cup ever and all ye can do is find something to greet about? Give us all peace and start another thread.
Good piece of journalism here, sums up Tuesday night so well...
<puts on tin hat>
So any connection between the new novichok case and a possible semi between Russia and England? 🙂
Oh, there he is again ^^ 😆
Lets keep it OT guys....there appear to be a couple of posts on Cricket FFS!
Off topic? Sure!
Cricket is far more interesting than wendyball 😂😂
The problem seosamh is you are conditioned not to see the obvious. Too many hard core supporters don't look outside football to see how things can or should be done better. How has the richest sport in the world taken until 2018 to introduce something which help referees and actually makes things more interesting? Technology like VAR has been used to great effect in other not so financially rich sports for years.
As exciting as most seem to say the world cup is, I can see that from the scores and some newspaper analysis. I agree with the journalist, and it does not just refer to this world cup.
So I am not talking shit. Play acting and mouthing to referees has got to such a level that is has become embarrassing. As I say, watch replays of fouls and I guarantee 80 to 90 percent of them involve faking some temporary injury. I saw Suarez, pushed in the back, probably a foul, but he spent 2 to 3 minutes on the deck clutching his head. Fans and pundits may kiss these people's arses. I would rather see them booked.
Under 12’s competing in the park are tougher than these saps, who should all be embarrassed and ashamed. I normally turn off after one of the many high definition replay which shows a player pole axed by being farted on, and the subsequent mellee around the referee which should have resulted in half a dozen bookings.
Ironically I think this all started with football not bringing in technology to help the ref. Player gets fouled in the box, stays on their feet, ref doesn't see it as a foul, no pen. The next time player gets fouled in the box, goes to ground, gets the penalty. From there it's spread like a cancer, if you don't make a big think of it you don't the decision.
I don't for one moment think Jordan Henderson got hit hard enough to go down & spend as much time as he did on the ground, but... if he hadn't the Colombian would've got away with that scott free... so it is cheating, dirty tricks etc.. but good luck with stamping it out, it's unfortunately far too ingrained within the game now, unless, there are some radical changes. Punishments for both, the aggressors & the 'victims'.
Rocky 63...😁
My comments earlier regarding Wilshire were a little bit tongue in cheek ..and designed to stir the pot a bit ..however I still think his best days are behind him based purely on the amount of time he is injured ...
I would still have him at the toon ..but not at the inflated price being bandied about..
Oh..and please please stop talking cricket on here ..its a game I've got absolutely no time for ..unless of course you would like me to corrupt the cricket thread by talking football on it ..?
but not at the inflated price being bandied about
Yep free transfer does somewhat overvalue him. His only offers seem to be West Ham and Turkey.
As you are well aware though ..free transfer does not mean ' no fee ' ..its just that we don't get to see what is actually being paid and to whom ..
Yep free transfer does somewhat overvalue him.
It's the wages that will be the problem, that and the medical bills.
Possibly best world cup ever and all ye can do is find something to greet about? Give us all peace and start another thread.
There have been some great games but some awful defending, blatant fouls and teams not coming to play football
Also can we please stop calling it wendyball...
The problem seosamh is you are conditioned not to see the obvious.
No, I can see it, just don't think it's the problem you are making it out to be.
As exciting as most seem to say the world cup is, I can see that from the scores and some newspaper analysis. I agree with the journalist, and it does not just refer to this world cup.
So I am not talking shit.
Tells me you haven't been watching so aren't really qualified to comment and are just regurgitating 2nd hand opinions.
Also can we please stop calling it wendyball…
On the contrary, I find it a useful shortcut for identifying unoriginal sexists.
There have been some great games but some awful defending, blatant fouls and teams not coming to play football
If there was no mistakes in fitba every game would finish 0-0! 😆
Also can we please stop calling it wendyball…
once Neymar is out perhaps
Oh..and please please stop talking cricket on here ..its a game I’ve got absolutely no time for ..unless of course you would like me to corrupt the cricket thread by talking football on it ..?
Can i interest you in rugby? 😂
Also can we please stop calling it wendyball…
once Neymar is out perhaps
Quite. On the contrary, you see much less play acting and pissing about in the female game
If you’re sensitive enough to ark up about someone calling it wendyball in jest on one occasion then you clearly have far greater issues of insecurity than I do with being accused of sexism. You’re also assuming I’m male.
If there was no mistakes in fitba every game would finish 0-0!
Mistakes?? I'm talking about the rugby tackles, shameless diving and all that. Each player should be presented with their highlight reel and be made to talk us all through it on their national broadcaster.
Quite. On the contrary, you see much less play acting and pissing about in the female game
If you’re sensitive enough to ark up about someone calling it wendyball in jest on one occasion then you clearly have far greater issues of insecurity than I do with being accused of sexism. You’re also assuming I’m male.
I don't think anyone is assuming anything about your gender. Just the name grates, because it's sexist, & really should be consigned to the history books along with David Baddiel's impersonation of Jason Lee.
so aren’t really qualified to comment
That is ****ing priceless! 😆
Reminder: the discussion is about [i]football[/i]!
Oh god, the trolls are out in force today, I take it they have been kicked off the beebs comments, and don't have enough wit for youtube coomments.
Gosh you are a sensitive lot today.
so aren’t really qualified to comment
That is **** priceless!
Reminder: the discussion is about <em class="bbcode-em">football!
How can you talk about it if you haven't watched it?
Seosamh. I have probably seen the equivalent of 90 mins during the world cup. I admit not a lot. I did see the last 10 mins of Spain v Portugal and segments of France V Argentina. Both were quite exciting, but as some one that can drop in and out of it, the bulk of what I have witnessed has been play acting and diving, or haranguing of a referee. The good play these days I am sorry to say does not detract enough from the cheating for me to get really into top level football, which is a shame. I notice there is little dispute regarding the points I have raised regarding the prevalence of play acting. The difference of opinions comes from whether you think it detracts from your viewing enjoyment. It does in my opinion.
I am perfectly entitles to express this here seosamh, as this is a forum, not a world cup love in.
I am perfectly entitled to have an opinion and it is perfectly reasonable to form an opinion partially taking on board what I have heard from others.
Dez, posted a link to an article he described as gibberish. I will admit to not seeing a single minute of the last England game, so cannot directly comment on the points raised regarding that specific game, but I agree with the gist of the article. The article is probably unfashionable rather than gibberish.
If there was no mistakes in fitba every game would finish 0-0!
Mistakes?? I’m talking about the rugby tackles, shameless diving and all that. Each player should be presented with their highlight reel and be made to talk us all through it on their national broadcaster.
It happens, still don't think it's all that bad though.
Overall I'd say the refs have been fine, couple been on the verge of losing control mind you. England game I'll give ye ref should have been more assertive, and I think it was the iran portugal game where the ref nearly lost it completely. You are never going to stamp out incompetent refs completely, even the best can have a bad day.
As for diving, well they can only really do it in places that aren't that crucial anymore, at the important bits they'll mostly get caught out by VAR now, outside, meh, it happens. It certainly doesn't over shadow the tournament, that's just sensationalist bullshit.
So I don't really understand the something must be done shout, something has been done, VAR's been introduced and is pretty effective. Not 100%, but largely it is effective.
You crack on athgray, just don't expect anyone, apart from DezB to take you serious.
It happens, still don’t think it’s all that bad though.
You are welcome to that opinion, others do not agree with you.
As for diving, well they can only really do it in places that aren’t that crucial anymore, at the important bits they’ll get caught out by VAR now,
All VAR Covers is penalties, straight red card and goals. Free kicks etc are not on the list and don't get reviewed. Diving doesn't get reviewed and there is no retrospective action possible.
The cheating in cricket and rugby reaches levels not seen in footie....,for the record! Cricketers fix matches, take items onto the pitch to damage the ball and pretend they haven’t hit it when they have....just a small number of examples.
Rugby by on the other hand, plumbed depths never seen in other sports, when a guy exploded a blood capsule in hit mouth pretending he’d been badly injured.
So whilst I’m not sticking up for the antics in football, people in glass houses etc!
aye the important bits, take it any further and you'll kill the flow of games.
The cheating in cricket and rugby reaches levels not seen in footie
Thats not so much one-eyed as no-eyed!
So whilst I’m not sticking up for the antics in football, people in glass houses etc!
And micing up the Rugby Ref's just showed how the respect really works with the chirpy responses...
FIFA could have fixed this issue or at least gone around the teams at the start with a nice video reel
FIFA could have fixed this issue or at least gone around the teams at the start with a nice video reel
I'm pretty sure a powerpoint presentation would solve the issue once and for all. 😆
anyway as for interrupting the flow of the game
Naymar has spent 14mins in his 4 games so far rolling around on the floor
I think the universally agreed opinion is that neymar is a bawbag.
Yep and in the time spent rolling around VAR could easily have told the Ref's it was nothing and book/warn the player for blatant simulation, no interruption to the flow of the fame and it should actually speed it up a bit
The ref needs to go an watch it and all that flaff if he's going to review a decision, he can't just take the VAR teams word for it, Ref has final decision, so has to see an incident to reverse it/rule on it. So aye, still flaff you canny have it for everything.
You'd be adding 30 minutes extra time to every game.
Nope you just adopt the rules everyone else uses for video assist where they off field gives the decision and communicates it. Football in it's desire to never change has half implemented something and not picked the best parts of it.
If you asked most fans if they would want diving and simulation kicked out of the game they would say yes. a word to the ref as somebody clutches their head after having their foot trodden on followed by a yellow card would help things. We could also show them as replays on a big screen with a helpful comment at the end
just don’t expect anyone, apart from DezB to take you serious.
He watches so much, he talks like a pundit 😀
As for saying someone posting an article about the World Cup in the World Cup thread is trolling. That's quite thick, isn't it.
Are you having fun trolling Dez?
😀 definitely.
Although, I think you'll find it isn't trolling.
I'm gonna miss the bloody game Saturday too! Got tickets to a gig thing in London - bought ages ago... I'm sure they'll keep us informed 🙂
The opposition team should be given immunity against persistent simulators and any on-the-ball fouls on them should go unpunished.
I'd quite like it if when a player clearly goes down claiming some sort of fatal wound (twisted leg hair, mildly bumped buttock, etc.) instead of racing up to jostle and shout, they just stood back and laughed out loud at the daftness. How long would Neymar have rolled for if he'd had 6 Mexicans guffawing at him. Pointing as well if needs be.
I've see a couple of very bad injuries on a football pitch. I can tell you one thing - when your leg is only held on by the fleshy bits because you just bust both bones in your shin you don't roll around. You lie VERY STILL INDEED.
ps mike, we don't care about rugby, stop trying to foist it's rules upon us! 😆
now who's trolling....
Just examples of good solid video ref solutions which make the game better.
How about a blue card situation where matches are analyzed and you are awarded a blue card after the match if you are caught acting like a 3 year old.
3 blue equals a yellow.
now who’s trolling….
Just examples of good solid video ref solutions which make the game better.
tbh var in fitba will develop over time, so again don't really see the need to rush into it. Largely it's been accepted by everyone in it's current form, that's a good thing, if they had radically changed it, you'd have had a lot more resistance I think.
I guess there also should be a consideration for where it's to be used, it is just in high profile games, or is it something we want to see implemented across the board? If the latter that will probably need looked at as I doubt it's a particularly cheap system to run.
ah I see the problem this is a thread about Football.... no wonder there is confusion is Fitba the slower less skilled game they play north of the border?
Are we not allowed to suggest how we think VAR could be used better as we have a team watching every second of the game anyway?
Discuss what you like, but comments like there's a cloud hanging over the world cup are laughable.
Why do you have it so in for scottish fitba? Are you only able to enjoy the game when it's played above a certain level? Half the shit in the EPL must disgust you then, eh?
You must take a right riddy when we beat or draw with english teams then eh? 😆
Anyone skiving off early to watch France v Uruguay tomorrow then?
Should be an absolute belter. I think my heart rate has just about returned to normal after the penalty shoot out the other night
I'm hoping for Suarez to bite a chunk our of Giroud and a mass brawl to break out, loads of sending offs. 5 all at full time, extra time and penalties
Not really, but it seems thats about the only thing that hasn't happened at this world cup 😀
Why do you have it so in for scottish fitba?
Nowt really, just looks ridiculous when you write dialect down.
I think you will find plenty of people who do have the opinion that as good as it's been in the WC several players and teams have really let themselves and football down here.
Anyone skiving off early to watch France v Uruguay tomorrow then?
We will have it on in the office though I'm considering having the day off anyway to try and get a ride in, WC DH on at the weekend too to fit in.
It’s like reading an Irvine Welsh novel at times here.
Is he really Welsh though?
Anyone skiving off early to watch France v Uruguay tomorrow then?
Tomorrow afternoon I shall be driving to North Wales for a weekend of mountain biking (stag do with Scottish people & English people who have no interest in football) so will be unable to watch any of the quarter finals.
I just hope that England make it to the semi's so that I can actually watch a game with the missus. The only one we've been able to watch so far was Tunisia. Since then we've been apart.
I think my heart rate has just about returned to normal after the penalty shoot out the other night
My overnight resting heart rate was approx 10bmp higher than normal (possible partially helped by the beer) and I still felt agitated the next day 🙂
Nowt really, just looks ridiculous when you write dialect down.
What's good for the goose...
I think you will find plenty of people who do have the opinion that as good as it’s been in the WC several players and teams have really let themselves and football down here.
Anyhow, I think we'll just settle on, we disagree! 😆
DezB
As for saying someone posting an article about the World Cup in the World Cup thread is trolling. That’s quite thick, isn’t it.
I said you posted an article about the World Cup. I responded saying I disagreed with you, and agreed with the sentiment of the article with regard to diving and screaming at the ref. Who said you were trolling? It certainly wasn't me. I made no such accusation.
My comments regarding my beliefs on top level football are not based on a dislike of the sport. I used to follow it avidly when I was younger, and enjoyed playing it until snapping a tendon 8 years ago. I have never called it wendyball and have no history of watching 'egg chasing.'
Nowt really, just looks ridiculous when you write dialect down.
I expect that's why James Joyce is so poorly regarded.
Who said you were trolling? It certainly wasn’t me. I made no such accusation.
I know it wasn't you.. not sure why you thought that. I'm not going back to check who it was though!
trolling just seems to mean 'having a different opinion' lately anyway!
I will be trying to get back for the France / Uruguay game ...
We have cancelled our planned Bowerdale Bash ride in the Lakes in favour of early local rides finishing at midday so we can watch the England match ..but having just been for a ride up at Kielder ..if the humidity is anything like it was this afternoon I might just skip it altogether ..it was tough .
Been working in in the fatherland all week and most seem to want England to win.
I will be listening to it on R5L sat on the M25 heading home...
England 2 - 0 Sweden
England 2 - 0 Sweden
England 2 - 0 Sweden
Does that count as bad luck if I say it three times? 😀
As for Brazil, "You shall not pass" beyond next round. 😀
Well ..thats blown Rafa's transfer kitty ..
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mike-ashley-world-cup-england-14871553
I wouldn't even wipe my arse on it ..
Yep. I'm Skiving off early...as it's F.O.E.F. 🙂
A quickish cycle ride first ( remember those? 😉 ) & then I may have to call in a favour for school pick up today . Come on Uruguay.
As for tomorrow , my money is on Loftus Cheek replacing Ali again...Are Trippier & Walker fit after their knocks?
Yeah, I’ll be watching the game today. Think France will dominate, but Uraguay ain’t gonna roll over! Hopefully they won’t resort to Colombia’s tactics.
Predictions:
Fra - 1 Urg - 0
I reckon it’ll be too defensive a game, but France will score second half mid way through and the impetus will have wilted by then.
To continue my off kilter predictions, I think Uruguay 0 - France 0, don't think the team will respond to the South American dark arts. but will win on pens
& Brazil - 2 Belgium 1
Then the big ones tomorrow - Eng 1 - Sweden 0 (AET)
& Russia 0 - Croatia 2
i'll go for 2:1 France.
and, hmm unsure, 1:0 brazil.
And on Saturday:
3:0 Croatia
2:0 England
Cavani out injured.
Cavani out injured.
Ah....that's a BIG blow for Uraguay.
You hear some stats and they just make ye feel blinking old even though they are obvious. mbappe wasn't born last time france lifted the WC! 😆
And here I was thinking I was a nipper not having been born last time England lifted it 😂
Interesting game eh, Uruguay well organised and as wide as a bag of monkeys, will/can France step it up a gear? finely balanced.