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The current skoda offer has me thinking about a new motor.
What are the new 1.6 TDI CR engines like?
Also anybody know what kind of margins they have to play with at the moment? Got about £500-£750 between new price and trade in + how much I have to spend... 🙂
Colleague of mine has the 1.6TDi in a Fabia estate. He really likes it. Only been in it briefly, but it seems quite nice - pulls OK and is very economic.
Much less clattery than the PD engines too.
My Bro has got the same engine in a Golf and he is so far very pleased with it.
I'm a Skoda Sales Manager, the new 1.6CR is a fantastic engine. It's a lot smoother than the old 1.9PD but with the same power and better fuel consumption.
The Fabias are currently available VAT free which leaves no margin for the dealer, you might get a set of mats but don't expect anything more.
The 105bhp has a long lead time at the moment (up to 6 months), but the 75bhp or 90bhp variants seem to be coming through quicker.
If you're after an Octavia with a diesel engine then there's no offer on those and there's a long wait.
Let me know if you need more info and I'll give you my email or phone number.
Cheers el. I was kinda thinking that would be the case.
I was told about 4 months wait on the 105bhp. Is there any real noticably difference on the 90?
It was a Fabia Estate I was thinking of.
PS where you based (I'm NE Scotland).
I'm in Manchester, I've not really driven the 90bhp, (I'm spoilt and drive a Superb!) but the 105 goes really well. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same engine with a different engine map to be honest.
Just to chuck a spanner in the works, you can get a brand new mid spec Octavia SE 1.6 petrol for £10995 at the moment!
Looking at the brochure figures for emissions, etc a remap looks to be likely. Only a couple hundred cheaper as well. No better mileage neither.
Didn't look at octavias as struggling to afford a fabia...
Prefer diesels also. Worth an investigation though... Cheers.
We had a Seat Ibiza with the 1.6 tdi cr engine (105bhp), and it's truly the worst we've ever had, and led us to selling the car after just 6 months (bought new). It's 5 speed, has poor torque, and we never bettered 45mpg against figures of 67.3 for the brochure. Previously had a Fabia vRS with the 130bhp PD tdi engine. Awesome car and would return 60mpg.
The Seat garage were a disgrace as far as customer service were concerned, the Skoda dealer was impeccable.
I'd get the vRS estate if I were you :-}
We've just got an '08 Fabia estate 1.8 and very impressed.
el-diabolo - appreciate you work in Sales, but would you have any recommendation on where to a) get a tow bar/elecs fitted and b) get a dumper dent repaired?!
Ta!
davedodd - Member
We had a Seat Ibiza with the 1.6 tdi cr engine........never bettered 45mpg against figures of 67.3 for the brochure. Previously had a Fabia vRS with the 130bhp PD tdi engine. Awesome car and would return 60mpg.
Out of interest, did you actually measure mgp or just go on what the trip computers said.
I only ask as I've found surprising difference in trip computer accuracy recently!
My old focus 1.6 tdci (so similar engine to your ibiza) also generally only managed 45-50mpg (measured) despite claimed figures of 60. But, the trip computer said it was doing 55-60mpg!
On the flip side, my new golf 1.4 tsi (petrol) seems to be managing the 45mpg VW claim it will, and the trip computer is actually a bit pessimistic and seems to under read by 3 or 4 mpg.
p.s. yes that's right, the petrol manages almost the same mpg as the diesel (and is more powerful), despite the 15mpg difference in the manufacturer (and trip computer) figures.....
How many miles per year are you doing? So many people get diesels when there mileage doesn't warrant it. The new TSI VAG engines have performance better than diesels, the mpg isn't so far off (real world)and cost much leess to buy (Especialy true when the VAT deal doesn't apply to Diesels). No DPF issues either.
That's weird Glenh - everyone I spoke to said the TSI was impossible to get anything like the govt test figures. However in my admittedly PD engine I can match them.
My old focus 1.6 tdci (so similar engine to your ibiza) also generally only managed 45-50mpg
Maybe it's down to the type of trip and how you drive. I get 48-52mpg from my 2.0 Passat.
everyone I spoke to said the TSI was impossible to get anything like the govt test figures
I think I've mentioned before that in similar real-world driving over 2 consecutive 6 month periods in otherwise identical Audi A3s the 1.4TFSi (not necessarily the same as the VW TSi, but the comparison is still relevant) we had delivered mpg figures that were absolutely nowhere near the 2.0TDi, despite the official figures being close.
I've not driven the 1.6TDi A3, but I have a sneaking suspicion that real-world it wouldn't show any significant mpg saving over the 2.0TDi - the figures aren't massively different in any case, but the 1.6TDi would probably need working that bit harder to get any performance out of it that the theoretical efficiency benefit would be negated.
Just to chuck a spanner in the works, you can get a brand new mid spec Octavia SE 1.6 petrol for £10995 at the moment!
There's a reason they're selling them off cheap though with that particular engine 😉
VW TSi not the same as the Audi TFSi?
Glen,
Both real measure and trip were showing the same. Whereas my Scirocco 170 tdi gets 50mpg comfortably.
Go figure?
VW TSi not the same as the Audi TFSi?
Audi TFSi is turbo-charged only. Some of the VW TSi are the twin-charger with both turbo and super charger - although apparently they're going to stop making them. I have corrected my original post by adding the word 'necessarily'...
[b]-m-[/b] They've re-introduced the 1.6 MPI to alleviate the pressure of the TDI delivery situation. It's actually a new Euro 5 engine so should be good, for £10995 you can't really argue though!
[b]m-a-t-t-[/b] Try you're local dealers for dent removers, they'll use them regularly so should be able to recommend someone. As for towbars, just have a look on the net and find one who's been around for a while, on the assumption that if they were crap or expensive they'd have gone bust!
Towbars - towbarexpress.co.uk.
davedodd - Member
Glen,
Both real measure and trip were showing the same. Whereas my Scirocco 170 tdi gets 50mpg comfortably.
Go figure?
Going off topic, do you carry bikes in / on your Scirocco? I fancy one but the bike carry capacity looks limeted.
-m- They've re-introduced the 1.6 MPI to alleviate the pressure of the TDI delivery situation. It's actually a new Euro 5 engine so should be good, for £10995 you can't really argue though!
Is it meant to alleviate delivery problems with the TDi or TSi? In either case it's a real dinosaur compared to the other petrol engines - worse performance, emissions and fuel consumption compared to the newer ones.
Does anyone [i]really[/i] expect to get anywhere near the published MPG figures?? When you look at the way in which the cars are driven to get the figures you'll know why. It's about a 25 mile test route driven by professional drivers who can apply a feather foot and in conditions that are perfect for the engine. There'l only be enough fuel in the car to cover the distance too.
I've driven a few 1.6 Diesels and if you're the type who wants to hog the middle lane at 56mph then they're for you, if you want to actually turn up to meetings on time at a sensible pace and not feel the need the get out the car and push it quicker yourself then get a proper diesel (2.0) and drive it sensibly. That said 1.6D I've driven were large saloon cars and small(er) cars like Fabia's/A3's etc would be better.
I have a 155bhp Toyota Avensis Tourer, drove it up to Scotland and back, three bike rack on the tow bar and one on the roof, four blokes and all the crap we carry and it still managed 42mpg cruising at 80mph , on my own at 70mph it'll do 46mpg.
I'd still have one though over a Prius....
Resurrected as decided I'm gonna go 2nd hand.
el_diablo, what garage do you work for?
Does anyone really expect to get anywhere near the published MPG figures?? When you look at the way in which the cars are driven to get the figures you'll know why. It's about a 25 mile test route
Er, I though it was a 5 minute test on a rolling road?
And anyway, for about the 500th time on here, they're not claims of fuel economy. They are just the results of a (supposedly) standardised test. That's all.
My 1.6Tdi (105bhp) Golf Estate got a claimed (I can't be arsed to check it properly) 67.5mpg on a run to Peebles and back at the weekend. Nice and steady though, but what's the hurry?! 🙂
It does seem to be very sensitive to the way you drive it though, so my good lady manages to get considerably less mpg than I do!
Mrs FD has got a Seat Altea XL. However there are not many about so we ended up test driving Ibiza for the different engines.
They were trying to sell us the 1.6 CR diesel as opposed to the 1.9 older VAG and 2.0
The 1.6 was absolutely gutless, OK in a Fabia might have a bit more go, but it was pretty slow and I'm guessing if you put your foot down any where it would drink fuel.
Ended up going for a 2.0 130 bhp which had enough poke but not too much like the 170 bhp.
If buying an estate, which implies weight carrying I'd much rather go for some thing with a bit more ooomph.
To be honest I was put off by the DPF issues. I'm such an old fart driving these days that I'd barely get the damn thing hot hot enough to burn off the soot.
Plus the waiting list for diesel is 25-30-odd weeks at the moment!!!
I did have a look at el's cheap petrol octavia offer but can't quite bring myself to do it so looking for a diesel octavia (preferably an estate). Well hell it [i]is[/i] STW-land after all...
I'm such an old fart driving these days that I'd barely get the damn thing hot hot enough to burn off the soot
You don't have to thrash it all the time, just now and then IF you don't do any long trips. Motorway runs should keep it happy.