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I think I want to install a bigger radiator in our hallway (the current one is maybe 2'6 wide, double thickness..?) because we have a three storey house and the hallway is always cold. I reckon by installing a bigger rad more heat can be produced downstairs which will rise through the house and be better distributed whilst at the same time keeping the hallway warmer.

Anyway.. I see that you can get skirting board heaters. Anyone used them? There's no furniture in the hallway to obscure them, and it should be an easy fit on the same wall as the rad.

No idea how to calculate how much I'd need though to provide enough heat.


 
Posted : 21/09/2012 3:05 pm
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grips,
they're designed to pretty much circumnavigate a room in order to get any meaningful heat out of them. they are also very expensive. keep looking at larger capacity roads if I were you.

although surely it makes more sense to heat sealed rooms to desired temperatures via TRVs first rather than try and heat the whole house from a central core? thermostat location needs consideration if whatever you do put in the hall is either substantially under or over sized.

has anyone ever done any heat and vent loss calculations for your house?


 
Posted : 21/09/2012 4:30 pm
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the calculations are easy. They can work quite well.

But the electric ones are horrendous to run and the water ones are horrendous to buy!

Can you not just fit a bigger radiator or plumb another one in?


 
Posted : 21/09/2012 5:10 pm
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Why not just install a taller rad?


 
Posted : 21/09/2012 6:18 pm
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did some skirting heating last year, bloody horrible product and very expensive.


 
Posted : 21/09/2012 6:57 pm
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We have it - ThermaSkirt (as on Dragon's Den). I quite like it, won't heat a main room if the only source of heat, but is good background warmth. You can also get thermal/reflective backing that increases output into the room.

We fitted ours in the open plan kitchen/diner/sun room - its not a sitting room and is only really used if we are eating, then the heat of the cooker helps. It *can* be a little too cold in the depth of winter but that isn't helped by the large space and lots of glass in the sun room, but overall I think it does a good job.


 
Posted : 21/09/2012 9:15 pm
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Btw - cost-wise, twice as much as rads, half the price of underfloor so we thought it was a good compromise.


 
Posted : 21/09/2012 9:16 pm
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Thermaskirt is what we used, was not impressed by it as a product.

Flimsy plastic joiners on the corners, an impossible to do up screw on a valve set, plastic push fit trim.


 
Posted : 21/09/2012 9:41 pm
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Hi bear, molgrips,
Martin here from discreteheat who make the thermaskirt product seen on dragons den.
Bear if you want to contact me at discrete heat we will sort out your covers for you. We've supplied 10,000+ systems world wide and made a lot of improvements along the way..
We have been tested by some of the biggest players in the heating sector and found to be a very viable alternative to rads & ufh.
We won product of the year at the recent national heat pump awards and thermaskirt meets the requirements of decc for the green deal.
Don't dismiss it cos its new or different. I ride a cannondale lefty and loads of people told me it wouldn't be good cos its only got one leg. In my experience its excellent and I won't go back to 2 legs.
Most people feel the same way about thermaskirt - don't knock it till you've tried it!
Best regards

Waddy


 
Posted : 22/09/2012 8:08 am
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Stayed with some friends in New York many years ago, & their house had this sort of system, coupled with underfloor. They houses are built with a very high level if insulation & the heating system stays on constantly from Sep to Apr. Their house was very comfy, no cold areas at all.

Also, being a fellow caravaner, if I'm not mistaken, you've probably seen the Alde system a lot of mfrs are going over to, this is the same. It's basically just a finned pipe I think.

Bigger rad I reckon, be cheapest. Could you not put a door on the stairs in the hall ?


 
Posted : 22/09/2012 8:38 am
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waddy.. the best 'trump' post ever.. well done.

back to the OP. if the hall way is cold consider what makes it cold. is it draught free? is the rad working correctly? if the answer is 100% yes than consider re sizing re styling relocating or adding additional rads.

personally i work on the premise that reds should not be seen ie they should not be a feature or stand out so dont go large as they are a BIG slab of white if you go tooo large.

modern rads pump out significantly more heat than a 10 yr old rad..

so you say the rad is double panel? does it have convectors in the centre (metal that looks like corrugated card (but bigger) look at a rad manufacturers site ( myson, stelrad, purmo) to understand how much that can make a difference without increasing the panel size.

what about another rad elsewher in the space to supplement the original?


 
Posted : 22/09/2012 8:40 am
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Wet system underfloor heating, that way your entire floor space is a radiator. I work in a lot of houses and nowadays the vast majority have underfloor heating!


 
Posted : 22/09/2012 8:56 am
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Right, thanks folks. I can't shell out big bucks for a rebuild so underfloor is out (although I'd really love it, the floor being tiles and always cool). It's a hallway so I'd only be able to put thermaskirt on one wall (the longest) without complex plumbing around the doors.

I've pretty much decided on a bigger radiator. £80 from B&Q, job done. Plus my neighbour (identical house) put in a bigger one left over from changing his kitchen, he said it made a big difference.

although surely it makes more sense to heat sealed rooms to desired temperatures via TRVs first rather than try and heat the whole house from a central core?

I don't want to heat the whole house from the core, I want to heat the core from the bottom!

The issues with the hallway are a) it's on the ground floor and there are two more floors above it for all the heat to escape into and b) the front door isn't sealed very well and doesn't appear to be a very well insulated door either.

New doors seemed very expensive, so that just leaves sealing it. And I can't for the life of me work out quite how it's letting in air, but it is. Need to have a look again this winter.

I've been thinking about the heating system in general for a while. What I really need is electronic TRVs in each room that are independently time programmed. So the kids' bedroom heated to say 18C between 7pm and 7am; the living room at 20C between 7am and 10pm etc.

Also, I could use a heat exchanger of some kind for the loft above the stairwell, since it's always dead hot up there.


 
Posted : 23/09/2012 8:40 pm
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Ever think your over complicating things ?


 
Posted : 23/09/2012 8:52 pm
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Don't give him more things to think about 🙂


 
Posted : 23/09/2012 8:54 pm
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Waddy

my mail is timATj-twren.eclipse.co.uk

Be good to have a contact and will discuss privately!

Cheers

Tim


 
Posted : 23/09/2012 8:58 pm
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Ever think your over complicating things ?

Nope. Everyone else under-complicates them.

I have to do something with my massive brain, don't I? Why not make my house warm and save money?


 
Posted : 23/09/2012 9:01 pm
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Tim
Server dosnt recognise your email address?
Mine is
MartinATdiscreteheat.co.uk
Thanks
Martin


 
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Posted : 20/10/2012 4:20 pm
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Better inuslated front door or maybe a porch?


 
Posted : 20/10/2012 9:33 pm

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