[Closed] Skimmed milk; just, why?

Our office milk fund gets that awful orange top 1% stuff. If i wasn't lazy i'd have my own supply of blue top, but i am and i don't

Because sugar and corn syrup companies managed to work a 50 year con that fat was bad and carbs good, and still most advice has not caught up with reality.

Know as canoe juice here.

Why?

Well, what's the similarity between sex in a canoe and skimmed milk?

Wot MSP says.

CaptainFlashheart - Member
Know as canoe juice here.

Why?

Well, what's the similarity between sex in a canoe and skimmed milk?

Comes in plastic?

An incredibly risky venture unless you have good balance and exceptional rhythm?

Personally, I like red milk in tea, it gives it a decent colour without making the taste too fatty. However, I prefer blue or, if necessary, green in covfefe because it mellows it out more.

I'm really not sure how you're drinking skimmed milk to end up with a paddle stuck in your arse.

Because sugar and corn syrup companies managed to work a 50 year con that fat was bad and carbs good, and still most advice has not caught up with reality.

I was discussing the relative benefits of green or blue milk yesterday. I had a feeling this was the case.

red milk is lush. Takes a few days to get used to it then you'll never go back

theotherjonv - Member
red milk is pish.

I don't think the low fat thing was all a conspiracy by sugar companies. I think the science was just wrong. I do think that food companies continue to milk it though.

Re skimmed milk - we used to have it when I was a kid. Tastes bad at first then you adjust and it just tastes like milk. I hated whole milk as a kid because to me it tasted like drinking pure cream. Now I drink whole though. You adjust.

scotroutes - Member
you are wrong

Red milk has no milk in it, it's just white coloured water. God knows what they put in it to make it that colour though.

https://www.grahamsfamilydairy.com/our-products/gold-range/gold-top

You can get that in supermarkets but even that I'm sure has cream added back in as opposed to naturally occuring. Can you buy real milk anywhere these days like they used to make?

I was brought up on local milk from the dairy farm half a mile away, that or goats milk fresh from the udder, a neighbour brought round twice a week. The only thing creamier is that Gold top stuff.

We call skimmed milk white water in our house and ridicule whoever asks for it when offering beverages.

Can't Stand the taste of milk, so skimmed is ideal for taking the edge off tea's bitterness, or moistening muesli, without spoiling the flavour. Coffee should only ever be drunk black. 🙂

I love whole milk, but unfortunately it does have a significant fat penalty, and around 60% of the fat content is saturated.

a pint of blue top is going to give you roughly 18g of fat or which 12g is saturated.

worth it though.

[s]red [/s]milk is pish.

FTFY

I heard a programme on the fat vs sugar thing a while back. Something along the lines that "The phrase that fat makes you fat is about as scientifically valid as that the one who smelt it dealt it"

A bit of a history around how we "missed" the fact that fat isn't bad, but sugar is...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin

I love whole milk, but unfortunately it does have a significant fat penalty, and around 60% of the fat content is saturated.

But the fat content is only 4%.

I wouldn't lose any sleep.

Raw milk is where it's at. 🙂

Disgusting stuff but then I'm a full fat milk, cream and butter sort of a guy.

Love skimmed milk, hate greasy full fat a insipid semi skimmed

UHT FTW!!

Makes excellent milkshakes

Like gradually cutting sugar from your tea you can do it from whole to skimmed milk if you do it one step at a time a take time to get used to it. As a child cream clots onto my Shreddies from bottles of full fat milk put me off whole milk for life.
Regardless of processed foods manufacturers deceiving consumers with low fat high sugar products which are as high in calorie if not higher, skimmed milk has a lot less calories than whole milk with no nasties added.

Regardless of processed foods manufacturers deceiving consumers with low fat high sugar products which are as high in calorie if not higher, skimmed milk has a lot less calories than whole milk with no nasties added.

To be fair it is nearly water. And missing nutrients.

Can you buy real milk anywhere these days like they used to make?

If you mean none homogenised milk then yes but it's not exactly made.

We call skimmed milk white water in our house and ridicule whoever asks for it when offering beverages.

You sound a right roaster.

I don't think the low fat thing was all a conspiracy by sugar companies

It's not a conspiracy theory, it just happened, same as the tobacco industry funded research to exonerate their culpabilities and funded massive lobbying activities. As have the motor car and petro chemical industries to distort environmental protection legislation.

While they may not advertise their activities, it's not really hidden either, it's not lizards doing funny handshakes while standing on one leg. It is just money doing the talking.

This summarises my thoughts..

an't Stand the taste of milk, so skimmed is ideal for taking the edge off tea's bitterness, or moistening muesli, without spoiling the flavour. Coffee should only ever be drunk black.

Apart from its not the actual taste of milk that puts me of so much as my experience of working in a milk processing plant.

They just centrifuge out the fat then put it back as required by each batch. So I don't see any advantage to having more dairy fat than necessary.

Ah but how much is necessary?

Because sugar and corn syrup companies managed to work a 50 year con that fat was bad and carbs good, and still most advice has not caught up with reality.

This. And I must admit to have fallen for the 'anti-fat' propaganda and drink skimmed milk. I've weaned myself back onto butter from toxic 'low fat spreads', maybe I should get back onto full fat milk again. After all full fat milk is only 4% fat vs. 1% fat of skimmed milk, so for the 200ml or so I have in my porridge and splash or two I have in my tea is hardly going to add up to the EU fat mountain on an annual basis.

skimmed all the way, nice and clean, semi skimmed just tastes claggy and full fat even worse.

In Milk 0.1%

All this red top / blue top business confused me for a minute... you're talking about supermarket colours aren't you.

We get an actual milkman bringing actual glass milk bottles to work, and the colours are completely different. Blue is skimmed, red is semi-skimmed. I wonder why?

EDIT: seems that the plastic bottles are a standard, just a different one. No idea why though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_bottle#Present_day

Well, what's the similarity between sex in a canoe and skimmed milk?

Comes in plastic?

Actual 😆 here, thanks for that.

I must admit to have fallen for the 'anti-fat' propaganda and drink skimmed milk. I've weaned myself back onto butter from toxic 'low fat spreads',

You've fallen for "low fat spreads are toxic" propaganda also.

When I were a lad people still drank sterilised milk, red milk is like nectar compared to that.

You've fallen for "low fat spreads are toxic" propaganda also.

Trans-fats are pretty bad for you, and low fat spreads tend to have a lot of them.

Trans-fats are pretty bad for you, and low fat spreads tend to have a lot of them.

Exactly. Fat is not overtly bad for you. It's natural and your body has evolved to live off fat. Low fat spreads manufactured by partially hydrogenated vegetable fats are actually toxic to your body.

Obviously you have to balance what you eat by your level of exercise too - it's not all about diet and suddenly starting to chugg a load of butter and fat down your gullet is not a good thing to do - you still need to eat a healthy and balanced diet that contains sensible amounts of fats and sugars as well as proteins etc. but above all whatever you eat should be natural and as closely as possible resemble the most natural state of the food. So if you want to eat fish, eat a piece of fish that actually resembles fish and not a fish finger.

Looks like rain.

So what is the punchline to the Canoe joke?

I need closure goddammit!

But the fat content is only 4%.

I wouldn't lose any sleep.

I don't * and I drink at least a litre of the stuff a day.

*if I had a cholesterol check I might.

Skimmed milk is nice in tea, semi-skimmed just makes the tea taste 'cheesy' to me nowadays. Coffee is different - I can use anything from skimmed to cream and it still tastes good.

Wot wobbliscott said.

Also by removing all the fat you lose the fat-soluble nutrients from milk

perchypanther - Member

So what is the punchline to the Canoe joke?

I need closure goddammit!

Its mentioned twice on the 1st page?

Was at my sisters the other day and she has orange top, which is even more skimmed than normal skimmed. There has to be a point when you may as well pour water on your cornflakes.

So what is the punchline to the Canoe joke?

No, wait, that's the kayak one

if you pop it into a beaker you can still nearly see through it ?

it's all i've ever drunk. It's what i'd have through choice. except i now drink almond milk.

There has to be a point when you may as well pour water on your cornflakes.

which is exactly what almond milk is. 😯

if you pop it into a beaker you can still nearly see through it ?

Low fat spreads manufactured by partially hydrogenated vegetable fats are actually toxic to your body.

Didn't Esther Ranzen get hydrogenated oils banned in the UK about 20 years ago?

I've just checked the 'spreadable butter' in my fridge; it's primarily butter, olive oil and rapeseed oil. </anecdote>

So what is the punchline to the Canoe joke?

Surely you know, PP. It's usually used as the definition of American beer - it's ****ing close to water.

Moved back to full fat organic when the kids came along after drinking semi skimmed for years .
Was a bit creamy in tea at first but so much better in porridge.Drink it all the time now.Added bonus is no one ever steals my milk at work,even office fridge thieves are scared of all that fat!

thomthumb - Member - Block User
...which is exactly what almond milk is.

Costs a fortune. Really difficult to attach the milking equipment to the Almond's teats.

Was at my sisters the other day and she has orange top, which is even more skimmed than normal skimmed.

I always buy the green top whatever that is.. I think semi skimmed, full fat is too much.

[quote=perchypanther ]So what is the punchline to the Canoe joke?
I need closure goddammit!

I think Monty Python do it best. About 1min10 🙂

Another thing to remember with the great skimmed milk con is that it is obviously in the interest of the dairies. They but the milk once from the farmers and sell it twice to the public. So when the headlines stae that a farmer gets 20 pence a litre and the supermarkets sell it for 80 pence, that ignores the fact that they are also selling cream and butter and cheese products made from the cream they have skimmed out, while selling the left over by product (skimmed milk) at exactly the same price as the full fat version. And at 4% fat no-one can really consider milk to be a fatty product in the first place.

We used to get green top about 35 years ago when it was unpasteurised. Straight from the cow.
When our youngest was born we stopped. I haven't really used milk since.

But as the great Kinky Friedman wrote - sometimes you've got to figure out what you like -and let it kill you.

Surely you know, PP. It's usually used as the definition of American beer

Aaaaaah. I see. 😳

Grassy Arse.

Our elderly neighbours are both sick and malnourished and we do everything we can to help; the children have at last got involved and ramped up the care. A few days ago I noticed they were having a bottle of skimmed milk a day delivered; I told them they might as well be drinking water with a bit of chalk in it and why didn't they take full fat? It's not as if they need to lose weight. They agreed and now they are getting silver top. Amazing how nobody had thought to challenge the standard practice.

I really don't get skimmed milk, it tastes nothing like milk. Semi-skimmed though you quickly get used to and I actually prefer it in tea than normal milk.

One of the perils with being colour blind is coming home form the shop with skimmed milk because I've mixed up the red and green tops.

Mrs S usually sends me out again telling me that she doesn't care if I have mong eyes, she won't lower herself to having red milk in tea.

Someone expressed a request for purchasing milk on the first page.
If you're passing through SWales then from Jct 37 M4 you can get to Ty Tanglwyst http://www.tytanglwystdairy.com/ Dairy farm and buy milk, butter and cream from the farm gate (actually from the fridge but you get the gist) and it is delicious.

Full fat here, except the odd day when my kids buy gold top. I used to drink goats milk and once you are used to that, all cows milk tastes like white water. So I suppose normal full fat cows milk is the best compromise of some flavour and something that most folk/visitors will be happy with in tea.

moistening muesli

There has to be a point when you may as well pour water on your cornflakes.

As mentioned on the PETA thread, I gave up drinking milk and putting it in cereal or coffee a few years ago. (not for PETA reasons!)

I generally [i]moisten my muesli[/i] with fruit squash. Apple works well.
Or I have porridge made with water.

(porridge and muesli often have milk powder in them anyway, so in reality this is just reducing the amount of milk I consume)

I suspect it is like drinking Diet Coke. Your palate just adjusts and eventually you get to the point that real Coke tastes sickly sweet.

I'm just going to leave this here.
I've learned a lot today about milk, tolerance and evolution.

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[url= https://www.nature.com/news/archaeology-the-milk-revolution-1.13471 ]https://www.nature.com/news/archaeology-the-milk-revolution-1.13471[/url]

This kind of stuff fascinates me. Jared Diamond explains in his book Collapse that the Vikings colonised the west coast of Greenland but their colonies eventually failed because they didn't embrace Inuit hunting technology (kayaks and spears) to gather their vital fats and proteins but persisted with a pastoral lifestyle. It was the more northerly of their colonies that failed first thanks to having just a few hours a year less sunlight for growing the crops they needed, which tipped them into food deficit.

https://www.nature.com/news/archaeology-the-milk-revolution-1.13471

I have read something similar before, it is interesting on two points, the evolutionary advantage the genetic variation gave where dairy farming existed is observable science proving evolution. And the fact that you either have the genetic variation or you don't, if you don't then drinking milk is pretty nasty, projectile puking and diarrhoea, there is no half way house of "intollerence" making you feel a bit meh.

Can you buy real milk anywhere these days like [s]they used to make[/s] the cows make?