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Currently getting rid of lots of our possessions via ebay classifieds.
GF stuck up a pair of old chairs we've had for years. The fabric and cushions are ruined. Nice (we thought) Danish design. Clear description detailing the patina (thanks to my general disregard for looking after things) and that they need to be restored.
250€.
Advert has been on for a few hours and she gets some guy offering to pay up front in full and come and collect next week. Oh, and it seems driving across half of Germany to pick them up.
Got me thinking he seemed a bit keen.
Turn the chairs upside down and see a tag from Knoll Antimott. Restored versions seem to be quite pricey. 1300-2000€ for a restored pair.
Can only find one picture online of our particular chairs, which makes me think they might be quite rare.
Can't seem to find much online about Knoll Antimott, even less so about rare items.
Not yet sent the guy back details for him to transfer the cash. Unreasonable to hold of selling and find out what they're really worth?
Oh, they look like this.....
The only image of this design I could find.... On a site that sold them for an undisclosed price. 🤔
Might - or could - be worth a bit more than you think.
Why not have them restored?
https://www.1stdibs.co.uk/furniture/seating/lounge-chairs/midcentury-mahogany-new-fabric-lounge-chair-knoll-antimott-germany/id-f_25239002/
They look like the chairs in the staff room at my old primary school. Do your smell of fags and coffee?
You should do well, a lot of people are investing in retro and sought after items.Prices are just going up and up and you might think maybe having it renovated to maximize any returns.
Even freebies from fast food restaurants are now sought after..
Anything genuine danish mid century modern is in high demand.
Apparently you can stick MCM on any old facebook marketplace ad too and ask a premium.
Unreasonable to hold of selling and find out what they’re really worth?
Depends, is your integrity worth 1750€ ?
First point is you sound like a scammer, as per Molgrips comment.
Second is that yours are knackered - while google reveals some for 900-1100 euros a piece, they're also restored to showroom condition. So if you want that money you need to pay for that first.
250 for the pair doesn't sound miles off the mark really.
Advert has been on for a few hours and she gets some guy offering to pay up front in full and come and collect next week. Oh, and it seems driving across half of Germany to pick them up.
I'm waiting for the "I'll pay with Paypal, its a long way so I'll send my mate round to collect them for me.." message.
Honestly, I'd likely pay someone €250 to dispose of them. They're hideous. Take the money and run.
The buyer sounds like the German version of Drew Pritchard.
In all fairness you probably have a decent item that will be worth a few euro's restored, and the buyer could be the chap to do that.
If it was me I would go through with the sale. You no longer want the chairs, so hopefully the next owner will get a good few years out of them.
Your gold mine sounds a bit rubbish.
Was hoping for Star Wars stash found under the floor boards, i'm a tad disappointed.
Don't be 'that guy'. You're getting some cash for something you no longer wanted, and somebody who wants the thing you have is prepared to travel for it. The restored worth is irrelevant given they're not restored. Become 'that guy' and the next stage is you asking €1,500 for them because 'you know what you've got' and you having them forever. Like the old boy with a Cortina rotting on his driveway.
8 years ago, I bought some Recaros for my MX5 for £800, apparently only 500 made globally.
Got rid of the mx5 and thought I would stick the seats up on a Fbook mx5 buy and sell group…sold them for £2500!
Seeing how it's on ebay, just leave the auction to run.
If no one else comes along Mr Keen still gets them, but if it turns out they're super-rarities, other collectors will hopefully spot them and push the price higher.
Good luck!
former colleague of my mums ebays stuff professionally.
He does house clearances for people and takes a percentage of the take. He also has a shop in town.
Apparently (According to my mum) its amazing what hes got an eye for. some stuff you would assume valuable goes straight to Oxfam (if its useful to them) or in the bin.
Some stuff you wouldnt think twice about dropping in the black bin bag gets shipped around the world for small fortune.
I guess its a combination of knowing the market, and knowing who you are selling to.
An item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.
There's nothig wrong with selling something for its true value, I guess your problem is that you don't really know what they're worth in their current state.
Let the auction run to the end, that should get you near enough to their true value, I'd be tempted to put a load of new photos up, and lots of details of any markings/info so that potential buyers can accurately identify and price them though.
Seeing how it’s on ebay, just leave the auction to run.
I think that's where he's screwed up. My understanding is he's posted at a fixed price.
Pretty much the primary reason to use eBay is when you aren't sure of the value of something so want to run it as an auction. If you want to sell at a fixed price then I'd always first try and sell elsewhere that doesn't charge you fees (eg. Facebook Marketplace).
Depends, is your integrity worth 1750€ ?
1750€ buys me a lot of pizza.
Do yours smell of fags and coffee?
More beer/red wine and weed, although that's only the cushions, which are fubard.
Sold loads of stuff high value via ebay classifieds (not an auction, just a listing site like FB market place. I can remove or edit the listing anytime without any obligation to sell). My van, the GF's MX-5, antique Chesterfield and not once had a problem. Even got 20€ for an air guitar.
GF was never that keen on selling the chairs. Always wanted to reupholster them but never got round to it in the last ten years. He argumentfor not selling was always that it'll be harder /more costly to furnish our new home from scratch.
As it is, the only things I want to keep are the old dining table I restored plus the bed and sideboard I built. The rest of the stuff I'm not overly attached to. Most of it is just stuff.
asking €1,500 for them because ‘you know what you’ve got’ and you having them forever.
I don't mind the idea of having them forever if they were upholstered. I quite like the chairs.
I also quite like the idea of not having the tone around my neck of knowing I've got several pallets of "stuff" in storage. I guess with a bit of tetris I could stuff boxes around/between the frames.... 🤔
The chairs in question.....
Just mail him
"sorry I just turned the chairs over a realised they are actually worth their weight in gold. I'm cancelling the sale and will re list as an auction, please feel free to bid, hope theres no hard feelings."
He hasn't actually bought them off you yet, has he.
He hasn’t actually bought them off you yet, has he.
No. Holding off on sending him the details so that he can transfer the money. Want to find out a little more beforehand.
Found lots of Knoll furniture on insta, reddit etc, but not these particular chairs.
You're hardly selling a Rembrandt for a tenner there. Be happy someone is prepared to put the effort in to make something of them?
Depends, is your integrity worth 1750€ ?
Was beginning to think it was just me.
If I've agreed to sell something for a price then that's what'll happen.
Not agreed on selling....
This guy is messaging and seems very keen to pick them up. He's the one asking for our transfer details and when he can pick them.
Either way the GF has decided she wants to keep them and put them in storage. Her reasoning being that they're an unfinished project that she wants to complete.
But he was offering full asking price and asking for payment details? face to face you'd have taken the money and been none the wiser.
Meanwhile, elsewhere on the internet, Herr Drew Pritchard is posting a thread about some schweinhund on eBay that has ghosted him after he's booked a day off work to go and collect some knackered chairs he's bought.
More beer/red wine and weed, although that’s only the cushions, which are fubard.
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We are a pet and smoke free household
If I bought two chairs from a proclaimed "smoke-free household" that turned out to stink of weed, you'd be getting them straight back with a foot up your arse for wasting my time.
I'd posit that whatever perceived value you think there is, you're lucky to be getting £250 for a brace of ****ed chairs. If it were me I'd be contacting the local council to arrange a bulky collection.
Imagine the flaming if someone did this on the classifieds here 😀
On the upside, everyone in the immediate vicinity would be shitfaced.
Imagine the flaming if someone did this on the classifieds here 😀
😀
Honestly cougar, you wouldn't want to sit on the cushions.... They're the knackered originals from 60 odd years ago.
schweinhund on eBay that has ghosted him after he’s booked a day off work to go and collect some knackered chairs he’s bought.
For an unagreed time and date? His boss will understand.
Can we have a follow up in 10 years when they've still not been refurbished and are still taking up space?
What I've learned in tbe last few weeks is that reupholstery of furniture is REALLY expensive. I reckon you're looking at £400 each to do those chairs. Material alone is at least £40 a metre (and you'll probs need 4 metres per chair). New cushion inners are about £100 each.
I'm disappointed. I thought this would be a thread about building subsidence.
If you haven't agreed to sell them, then I don't see a problem with changing your mind now you have new information.
It's a bit like your gran advertising your grandads old bike for £50 because she didn't know it was a vintage Klein.
Just mail him
Careful. It might be that German chap who eats people. He may get cross and decide to eat you.
Kleinanzeigen is just a rebranded Gumtree so lets clear that up now.
As Alpin hasn't actually sold them yet I don't see the issue, someone has just replied to his ad and offered to buy them, last I checked that doesn't constitute a sale.
TBH, If i'd found out they were worth a load more than I had orginially listed them for, I would cancel the listing and relist for a higher price or sell somewhere else that likely to attract the higher figure.
OP hasn't actually agreed to sell them, he's just had an offer from someone who will likely just tart them up and flog them on for more money anyway!
What I’ve learned in tbe last few weeks is that reupholstery of furniture is REALLY expensive. I reckon you’re looking at £400 each to do those chairs. Material alone is at least £40 a metre (and you’ll probs need 4 metres per chair). New cushion inners are about £100 each.
Depends how practical you are and how much you value your time. New wadding, material and some twine for £40, and the other grand is profit seems a good deal!
Otherwise, stick them back on ebay as an auction with more details.
You get what they're "worth", and Herr Drew Prichard makes a fair profit rather than ripping you off.
I’d withdraw and sell for the correct amount. I wouldn’t try and do them up unless you are going to do an immaculate job, with the correct material, varnish, stitching etc. If you sell to a dealer in those chairs you will get more.
Can’t see the problem.
great looking chairs.
I have a similar MCM teak framed single lounge chair project on the go. Rescued from a friend's basement 12 years ago, we used it for a few years and constantly had to vacuum up the dust that fell out of it where the foam was turning to sand. Eventually put the seat into a bag in the closet for a few more years once the perelli rubber strapping all failed and even the dog finally refused to curl up in it.
I brought it out this summer, repaired and restored the frame but now struggling to find 5% stretch webbing or a suitable fabric. The 15% webbing I used isn't supportive enough.
Period correct supplies are more available in Europe.
So, for now, another unfinished project...
(A pro wanted $1500 just to reupholster)
If you do diy, Don't loose the design features of the single piece curved cushion.
If that's what they are worth sorted from a dealer, what you are getting for them in knackered condition feels about right. Factor in his milage, materials and time there would obviously be a profit but so their should be.
Interesting comments on aesthetic s though. Personally I love a bit of authentic MCM. There is some lovely German and Danish furniture from that era that I'd be chuffed to own. As someone with access to a workshop and a few skills I'd love to find something like what you have and make a project of sorting. Sadly finding them is becoming harder.
Not yet sent the guy back details for him to transfer the cash. Unreasonable to hold of selling and find out what they’re really worth?
Depends on if you agreed to sell them or not. I mean, if he's just said "I'd like them and I'm happy to pay asking price" that doesn't necessarily mean it's sold - someone else could have gotten there first.
If you haven't agreed to sell them or taken any money then i don't think it particularly unethical to withdraw the add. It's not like the guy trying to buy them has taken out a loan or booked his travel tickets.
If you make an asking price offer on a house the owner is under no obligation whatsoever to sell it.