[Closed] Sicko 🙁

i would glady beat him to a pulp with my 2 fists.
scum like that should die.

I would imagine he'll get a good shoeing in the nick.

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Some people are darkly evil.

Speechless.

Some really sick people in the world 🙁

Sometimes there is a good reason for the death penalty (after he has had a kicking in the nik)

Yeah that deserves a kicking I'm not one for revenge usually but that's a face you'd not stop punching.

Now that's a really disturbing story. What's really upsetting is that the story he told as an explanation, actually happened to my niece for real.

She was playing with her sister and brother when she fell off the side off whatever piece of furniture she was climbing on and landed astride the top of a small wooden chair, the side supports of which stood proud of the back.

One of those supports actually penetrated her, well you know where, and caused internal injury. She needed an internal examination under aesthetic.

Now it was pretty stressful for everyone but not least for my brother and his wife who fully expected to be investigated by social services.

So I guess my point is that the story this guy told, at least as it's reported in that story, isn't as far fetched as it sounds.

dont want to share the world with people like this

I read about three words. I don't actually want to know any more 🙁

Some people are darkly evil

I don't really think evil exists. Not that that makes this stuff any better of course... 🙁

I'd lose no sleep after taking his life.
Scum.

It will cost us a fortune to incarcerate that creature, he is an obvious threat to children and as such the future of our race.

If we can wage war all over the world, how is it we cannot remove a threat to the most vulnerable members of our society.

It's not civilized to kill creatures like that, not humane and yet our culture isn't civilized anyway, as long as they exist in it!

An old aquaintence who spent much of his time inside as outside of jail told me a story of a nonce that came onto the wing.

In the evening when the hot water did the rounds for nobody took theirs and left it all. On getting to the nonces cell he was pinned down and the scalding water poured over him. Guards turned their backs.

He was left there screaming for the night, which kept everybody awake, but was worth it for the crime he committed (something similar to the artilce iirc)

My mate wasn't one for exagerating a tale. He had led a colourful life. I like to think the story is true as horrible as it is.

It's not civilized to kill creatures like that, not humane and yet our culture isn't civilized anyway, as long as they exist in it

Look this is an emotive issue, but you have to... oh never mind.

totally sick should be hung drawn and quartered and still would not be enough.

I wouldn't worry.

He'll get his. And fairly soon, I'd wager...

****, why is he allowed to live? Pour petrol all over him and light a match.

I'm sure someone will pop along soon to tell you he's just misunderstood and it's his parents fault. 🙄

Hmmm, still no point whatsoever to these threads.

normal people in "not understanding paedo and saying he should be killed" shocker, hold the front page.

Hmmm, still no point whatsoever to these threads.

Not really any point in any threads on here, other than the calls for help or the for sale ones. The rest are just rubbish designed to get conversation started, so try not to sound too judgemental.

Blimey Al, that's a new low even for you

RD - why? Any victims on this thread?

Plenty of rubbish on stw of course, but most is fun (for some), or informative. This is "Ooh look at this, it's bad, but lets just vent, all feel good about our raging empathy, but not bother thinking about it."

Perhaps there's a chance these threads might get the hard-of-thinking "kill them/send them to the Isle of Wight" brigade to engage their minds a little to see what the causes are, how what can be done etc (which to be fair may be a point the OP is trying to raise).

Aye, right. 🙄

And why do these crimes provoke such rage? But not rape, assault, murder? Female genital mutilation (still not uncommon AFAIK).

Who you ****ing calling normal ❓

I'm not interested in torturing them or making them suffer, too easy to become sick in the soul with that kind of behaviour, especially if you enjoy it.

I am however interested in removing a threat and protecting innocent beings, and saving some money of course 😀

All comes down to priorities, do we try and understand deranged animals ❓ because as a result of this individuals behaviour that is what they are!

Having one of these bodies is not an excuse to do what ever you please! individuals should be judged on their actions, not on some delusional notion, held by a few select elite, of what is means to be civilized.

If the politicians, lawyers and judges want to tell us how to deal with these individuals, then let them live amongst them.

any victims on this thread?

Playing with fire there, Al. You have no idea of the life experiences of people that might be reading this.

RD - why? Any victims on this thread?

playing devils advocate is all well and good, but on the side of a child molester?, that's "me me me, look at me i want some attention" gone way too far

playing devils advocate is all well and good, but on the side of a child molester?,

Hmmm interesting, I didn't read Al's post as being on the side of this guy rather he was just criticising the apparent knee jerk reaction of those baying for blood. The two are most definately not the same thing.

I don't agree with capital punishment and I am strongly supportive of radical penal reform but it's so hard to not want this bastard dead.

I agree with AL, but he's still a **** 😯 just joking AL 😀 We cannot allow our emotions to determine our course of action in any situation.

Emotions are blind to circumstances and what is called for is a logical analysis to determine the best course of action.

That said we have individuals and organized groups of these creatures praying on children, it is not right that they should declare war on these children and that we as the gaurdians of these small defense less individuals stand by and do nothing.

If they want a war and by their own actions, that is exactly what they do want, then should it not be able bodies adults that they face rather than vulnerable children ❓

The Flying Ox - Member
Playing with fire there, Al. You have no idea of the life experiences of people that might be reading this.

Indeed but no one has identified themselves as such.

kaesae - Member
If the politicians, lawyers and judges want to tell us how to deal with these individuals, then let them live amongst them.

They already do, to the same extent as the rest of us.

rOcKeTdOg - Member
playing devils advocate is all well and good, but on the side of a child molester?, that's "me me me, look at me i want some attention" gone way too far

Have you even read what I have posted? Where have I been in favour of child molesters?

Anyway thanks for proving my point - most folk cannot rationally discuss this issue - particularly those most vocal about it.

Indeed but no one has identified themselves as such.

Being a victim of abuse is generally not something that people go shouting about on internet forums. In fact, a lot of victims tend to feel a great deal of embarrassment and/or shame. Emotions you appear to have no concept of.

I stiull don't see how my post would upset a rational victim. If all they seek is revenge then they need help too IMO.

WTF!! If someone did that to my 2yr old little girl I would literally kill them and do time for them.

I stiull don't see how my post would upset a rational victim

I doubt very much whether anyone who has been abused as a child, whether it be sexual, phsical, mental, emotional etc, will be able to think 'rationally' about it.

I think the desire for revenge is a very natural and to some degree, a positive emotion; it's about being angry with someone and being able to engage and understand that anger is all part of a process. Of course, actually carrying out the revenge act would be problematic for all sorts of reasons, but thinking it, feeling it, expressing it, even desiring it, all that's probably a completely natural, very human and therefore 'healthy' emotional response.

Feeling nothing is where the problems start.

I also doubt very much whether anyone whose been abused [i]wouldn't[/i] need help, whether they were expressing a desire for revenge or not.

I'm speaking as someone who was the victim or pretty bad and very long term mental abuse as a child. It was never physical, but it was sustained over a period of six years and it was purpetrated by children and teachers and it had a profound effect on me.

It took me a very long time not to want enact revenge and I needed a lot of help to get over it.

WTF!! If someone did that to my 2yr old little girl I would literally kill them and do time for them.

Fair enough GT, I agree. I'm no stranger to simliar circumstances.

Fair enough GT, I agree. I'm no stranger to simliar circumstances.

sorry to hear that cynic-al. What did you do?

Have you even read what I have posted? Where have I been in favour of child molesters?

yes, that's why i posted what i did 🙄 you're hardly in a position to take the moral high ground given your behaviour in recent threads are you?, but this is way beyond your usual attention seeking

but this is way beyond your usual attention seeking

You know it may be that the thread needs to cut Cynic-al some slack. Based on what he's posted above and on my own experiences, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Cynic-al hasn't experienced some pretty bad things himself.

One of the characteristics of people who've experienced abuse themselves is that they can in some ways have greater empathy for those that carry out those acts. I guess it's why the abused so often become the abuser? It's a way for them to take back power for themselves.

That empathy or at least a willingness to not take such an immediately hostile position when discussing these topics, can often be missinterpreted as sympathy or something else far worse.

To some extent that contradicts what I said previsouly about victims being angry and wanted to enact revenge, but I've experienced the whole gamut of emotional responses myself and even at one point even became the bully that had made my life so difficult before.

So just maybe Cynic-al has something that he's not disclosing and the responses to his posts might be better served with restraint also?

or maybe Al is just being a total cock as per usual?............ 8)

Can't even bring myself to click on the link.

It's not civilized to kill creatures like that, not humane and yet our culture isn't civilized anyway, as long as they exist in it!

I'm always up for selective culling.

Jesus...has this thread turned into the Me-ME-Me show too?

I'd hate to invite you to a funeral...you'll probably turn the wake into a discussion about you.

I stiull don't see how my post would upset a rational victim. If all they seek is revenge then they need help too IMO.

That is a particularly stupid comment. It lacks empathy and understanding. I'm pretty sure that it was a case of 'Mouth Engaging Before Brain'.

Although you are a wind-up merchant Al, I'm sure even you'd admit to how clumsy that sounds.

All it takes is one person 'inside' to hear about it, and remember his rather unique name (in a British prison anyway..).

Plus the nature of the crime would tend to stick in someone's head when they hear about it.

He's going to be living in fear for the rest of his life, especially inside.

LOL @ CM

RD - please point out where I have sided with peadophiles? Yes, sorry but this will require you to read my posts first!

GT you seem to see my point. Part of recovering from abuse would be getting past purely wanting revenge would it not?

Yep OK I could've worded it better but my points are:

(i) folk react so strongly in any discussion about child abuse (often those that have not experienced it) that any rational discussion or even reading posts properly goes out the window - perfectly displayed on this thread.

(ii) paeds were victims themselves once...I'm not saying that's an excuse, but I believe a civilised society should be judged on how it treats its criminals (and victims). My understanding is many paeds are "wired up wrong" and that cannot be changed - to them they do not have the correct understanding of right and wrong. I don't think killing them/sending them to ton's house etc is appropriate, I doubt any of you Daily Mail types will ever convince me otherwise.

And if any of you equate this with taking the piss out of TJ, a grown man who assures me his self esteem is well intact, you really need to get a grip.

Blimey Charlie Haille Sellasie I; I agree with Cynic-Al! 😯

Because unlike most of the knee-jerkers on this thread wanting to show what big tough men they are for wanting to kill a nonce, he's actually gone and thought carefully about things, then posted an intelligent, reasoned response.

As opposed to this:

****, why is he allowed to live? Pour petrol all over him and light a match.

Anger and rage is perfectly understandable in cases such as this; in fact I believe it may well be a natural instinct to protect, and remove damaging elements from society.

But much of this kind of talk is being tough and hard by proxy, over the internet, from behind a keyboard.

[i]'Look at me I'm a top bloke cos I'd kick in a nonce, me'. [/i]

Yeah, well done, whatever.

Personally, I think the really tough and brave people in situations such as this are the doctors and psychologist etc, who have to deal with the consequences of such incredibly abhorrent actions, and deal with such a 'monster' in a calm, rational and professional manner. I don't know how they can do it, quite frankly.

So, well done Al for posting your comments, and helping create some sort of more intelligent debate than the usual 'torture and kill the ****er' type crap that usually gets spouted over such issues.

My thoughts go to that poor innocent little child. I hope she can recover and go on to lead as normal a life as possible. Energies should go into making her life better, and happy, not into wanting to exact some sort of 'revenge'.

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Not trolling at all Realman - is what I am saying so alien to you you can't comprehend it? And you're at university?

Oh no, Fred agrees? [img] [/img]

I refer you to my earlier post.

So, well done Al for posting your comments, and helping create some sort of more intelligent debate

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Interesting to see people calling for this guy to be tortured/killed, when many of the same folk didn't approve of Bin Laden being killed and expressed concerns about Gaddafi. 😯

JFTR, I know a fair few arseholes (inc the really sick type) who've passed through our glorious justice/penitentiary system and come out none the better for it. In fact, most are happy to continue as they were.

Coming from a coaching background, I'm all for 're-education' et al. However, from my discussions with people 'on the inside' (CID, CP, young offenders etc) lead me to believe there are far too many flaws in the way such methods are utilised. Too much focus on "you're the problem sonny ... I'm going to fix you my way or else ..." instead of giving the perp a voice and having them unravel their own shit themselves etc. Which ultimately seems yet another waster of tax payers' money ...

"Let's charge this person ... lock 'em up ... give 'em a few mod cons and a cushy life ... have a chat about where they're going wrong ... no, let's TELL THEM where they're going wrong ... add a dollop of bullshit counselling ... release 'em ..." All for a few £thousand. Nice. And if they do it again, we'll just do the same.

Elfin - as normal, you come across with a fair view and argument (what ever did happen to you on that one given your previous incarnations?)

But remember there are two views on retribution here - some just saying 'I'd kill him to death, he deserves it, scum' and those saying 'If I was the father I would kill him to death and not really be in control of my actions' which are two entirely different things.

Yeah I understand that, Winegums; surely the instinct to protect children is what drives such rage against paedophiles, but as I said; energies should be concentrated on helping the victims of such awful crimes, not towards gaining some sort of primal satisfaction.

I agree.

I was just saying that they are two entirely different rages. If I went and bludgeoned someone to death with a rolled up Women's Weekly (thank you Victoria Wood) because he interfered with a stranger's child then I am just as mad as the perpetrator. If one of my own daughters was interfered with I am quite sure I would do something out of sheer emotion - the word 'primal' you used was very appropriate as I think it would be a primal urge.

On a slightly different subject but I can see a clear connection - my younger brother (aged about 14 at the time) was once started on by some much older people - two of them - in an entirely unprovoked attack. Thankfully my older brother was there too so we reacted and I was halfway through stoving this lad's head in before I really knew what I was doing. That sort of reaction would be multiplied hugely in the above circumstances.