[Closed] Should we have a special tag for "The Big Hitters"?

Torminalis - Member

I reckon it won't be long before we see the arrival of the On-One Big Hitter!

Nah, I don't think Brant will be posting in this thread.

torminalis,wasn't freeride dead?

OK TJ - you've got me out of hiding for this one.

You and I have previously discussed your internet communication issues and also the battle you seem to be waging with Al. On a couple of occasions, you've actually been looking for me to take sides and I've studiously avoided doing so. You've also said that you generally find my counsel useful.

There was a while that I thought Al was having some permanent dig at me. I'd post something and up he'd pop making some less-than-friendly remark. It took me a while, but I came to realise that it's all a big piss-take and no different from the kind of banter one would engage in in the pub, over a meal or whilst out riding bikes. That's it. That's what it is. I've told you this but you still can't quite seem to understand. What's even more mysterious is that you were once a regular on mlehworld, where this kind of piss-taking is [i]de riguer[/i] - but then you were "bullied" off that, weren't you?

As for this ruining your friendship with Al, there's irony there too. I've become so pissed off with your scathing criticisms of those who don't agree with you, your rudeness and pig-headedness that I've stopped responding to anything you post (no killfile necessary) and I'd currently go out of my way to avoid meeting you in public too. That's a shame as I thought your Pentlands trailbulding venture was worthwhile but I feel it would just be two-faced of me to join in and pretend everything was OK between us.

My recommendation for Al would be to adopt this approach too. No one on STW is really interested in reading about a spat between you two.

I don't expect for one minute that you'll pay any heed to this. It'll be me that doesn't understand and you, poor Jeremy, will once again be the innocent/injured party. Frankly, I don't really care.

For the rest of you: Tag away 🙂

The hilarious thing is, I have had quite a few months sabatacle from STW, had a big project at work which has consumed an enourmous amount of time. Months pass and when I get back, Al and TJ and still sniping at each other whilst everyone else marvels at their unbelievable childishness.

Nothing changes, the two of you deserve each other. I hope you both feel this is a worthwhile use of your lives because for eveyone else, it is just pure, dirty entertainment. You are my guilty pleasure.

My guilty pleasure has 2 Swedish blondes and a bath of haagen daas. You're getting a raw deal dude 🙁

What lights for a Big Hitter™?

It's the ex cathedra non-debatable statements of fact.

Wow! I genuinely never thought I'd see a Pope Pius IX reference on STW. O Level History was useful for something after all.

As always, wise words from druidh...but please don't let that stop this thread, its been hilarious!

. What's even more mysterious is that you were once a regular on mlehworld

He was probably blocked by one of the mods who only wanted their point of view put forward (or was to chicken to debate in public and risk looking bad.a 'it's my ball and if I can't win i'm taking it home' scenario if you will) it's happened before I assure you 😉

druidh=kofi

Druidh - thank you for that. I was aware I had pissed you off and I am sorry for that. It would not be hypocritical in my eyes to join in with things I had arranged especially the path repair stuff and it would be a shame if you did not.

Clearly its pointless to discuss cynic al with you further. Just to say that its not "banter in the pub" nor is it the same as the pisstaking on mleh. Its been a deliberate and sustained campaign and many people have asked me why he behaves like that towards me. So it clearly is not just in my mind

druidh=kofi

Ban Ki, surely?

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As a mate to you both off here in real world, please can we just go to the pub and chat and get over it in person. Presuming of course you both fancy making this kind of thread stop.

How does a week Wednesday sound?

I'm surprised no actual big hitters have shown up yet...

Wise words druid.

I'm happy the rest of you find it entertaining - but it's not that important to me, nor does it take up any significant amount of time, though I guess that's easy to believe as it comes out on these epic battle threads...which take attention away from my other normal input (positive, helpful, cheeky, carbon/cutlery etc 😉 )

TJ - on the whole, you're a good egg

Now do yourself a favour and back out of this and take it up with onion via email or - better still - the phone

It's never going to end well airing it in public

Loving 'the only way is Edinburgh' tag 😀

Clearly its pointless to discuss cynic al with you further. Just to say that its not "banter in the pub" nor is it the same as the pisstaking on mleh. Its been a deliberate and sustained campaign and many people have asked me why he behaves like that towards me. So it clearly is not just in my mind

Definition of paranoia "A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason"

Get help. In the real world, with real people, who really know you. On here you come across as, at best, hopelessly deluded. Maybe it's an act, maybe you're a lovely fella in real life. I really hope so.

Clearly its pointless to discuss cynic al with you further.

TJ in reverting to type shocker.

[s]It[/s] TJ's never going to end [s]well[/s] airing it in public

Walter Kitty

Brilliant!

my 2p
TJ annoys folk by being TJ
Al annoys folk by putting in effort
Who knows which is worse
I would not want to be either of you but have no issue with either of you
TBH I would give you both a skelp and send you to bed without your tea.

[i]TJ annoys folk by being TJ
Al annoys folk by putting in effort[/i]

this.

I guess at least Al has the self awareness to know he's doing it, even if he lacks the self control necessary to stop.

With TJ I fear the problem is insoluble because there's no acceptance there may be actually be an issue that needs addressing.

I'm surprised no actual big hitters have shown up yet...

Im here! 😉

TJ is ****ing annoying on here, however I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's probably a really nice bloke in person.

Its times like these my killfile goes into meltdown 🙄

Houns I've just had me breakfast!

TJ - on the whole, you're a good egg

IMO, this ^^^^

This thread is in danger of becoming so knowingly self-referential that its inevitable implosion up its own a*se may well take the entire universe with it. 😀

TJ has issues. He cannot see an opinion that doesn't correspond with his rather narrow view of the world without brow-beating the other poster into submission. This can be witnessed in any thread where the benefits of helmets are promoted, where anyone dares to suggest that jumping red lights is wrong and God forbid you should complain about the price of fuel! Where brow-beating does not work he just gets nasty, see threads on Christianity. When pulled up on his compulsive behaviour, he either denies it (see earlier on this thread) or pulls the "Edinburgh Defense" i.e. "I didn't mean it like that..." or "I was taken out of context..."

He likes to present himself as a free thinking, left leaning libertarian. In reality he is quite an unpleasant bully who, like many bullies, plays the victim when things don't go his way.

I'll butt out now. It's Friday and the "Beer Clock" is firmly in count down mode!

Definition of paranoia "A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason"

Get help. In the real world, with real people, who really know you. On here you come across as, at best, hopelessly deluded.

this ^ as with alcoholism the first step to recovery is admitting there's a problem. good luck with that.

mummy, make it stop! make the bad men go away waaah! 😥

He likes to present himself as a free thinking, left leaning libertarian. In reality he is quite an unpleasant bully who, like many bullies, plays the victim when things don't go his way.

You may think that but please also consider that in real life he is actually very unlike his on line persona. Very un-argumentative and will listen to other angles. He is man enough to stick up for himself so i won't but there does seem to be a lot of picking on him. He never seems to pick on others or leave snidey tags but he will argue blindly that he is right. Never will he resort to insulting though. (Unless i have never read this happening).

As a friend of his, I will stick up for him so please consider what you are typing about him. If you wouldn't say it to his face don't tag it on here.

Come on everyone lets feel the love

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I'm prepared to accept that thebikechain but he has to also understand that his approach just winds one here people up and they sometimes go out of their way to take a dig at him.

It's a bit sad all round really but I can't see it changing until TJ becomes more like you say he is in reality on here and accepts he can't change peoples minds by banging on about somethign until they give up and walk away.

thebikechain - Member
Never will he resort to insulting though.

in real life he is actually very unlike his on line persona.

Like it or not, the social interactions he, or anyone else, has on here is part of real life - hence why TJ himself has indirectly made that point about the impact of Al's comments on him. I'm not trying to get at TJ, or Al, but people can only interact with the 'TJ' who turns up on here - and he's already acknowledged from his own experience that people can be genuinely hurt by the way they get treated in an online forum.

EDIT - I seem to recall that Grumpy Mark has made that point repeatedly in multiple moderatorial comments over the years!

Still this nonsense?

Now it's 3 people what apparently were friends in Real Life, arguing about stuff?

The 3 of you are a fantastic advert for Scotland. Displaying so much warmth, friendliness and tolerance for others...

Never will he resort to insulting though

Er... check my post at the top of page 4 or 5 which demonstrated another aspect of the affable old chump.

he's already acknowledged from his own experience that people can be genuinely hurt by the way they get treated in an online forum.

It's a real shame he courts it so well - intentionally or not.

EDIT

Elfinsafety - Member
The 3 of you are a fantastic advert for Scotland. Displaying so much warmth, friendliness and tolerance for others...

If you mean TJ, druid and me, Tj's arguing with me and druid - TJ is English. druid and I are not arguing with each other - we're both celts, TVM.

And if you are actually being serious, I'd say the problems of racism and intolerance are much greater darn sarf than up here....have you ever even been up here?

Junkyard - Member

my 2p
TJ annoys folk by being TJ
Al annoys folk by putting in effort
Who knows which is worse

This, which would lead me to believe that a nice long ban for Al is the best solution.

BUT THEN the bikechain tells me that TJ isn't like this in real life: Which must mean that TJ is just as responsible for this tossfest of pain and misery as Al is.

So, please Santa, can we have a six month ban for both of them?

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people can be genuinely hurt by the way they get treated in an online forum.

best run and tell your mum if you are 'genuinely hurt'

I've purposely avoided posting on this thread, as it's becoming an all too obvious kicktjuptheknackersfest, and I for one find it a bit uncomfortable. The thread that was linked to was a year old, and although TJ was undoubtedly (IMO) a cock in some of his comments, he did have the decency to apologise later. To add to this, he wasnt exactly on his own in making offensive comments, and I should also say that I'm at fault here as well, by attempting to hammer my point across in order to defend my own belief / faith. Now can we all just get on with the usual drivel that a day on this forum usually consists of?

best run and tell your mum if you are 'genuinely hurt'

Back in the real world - hard to do as she died 2 years ago after a long and unpleasant illness. I still miss her.

+1 for barnsleymitch

He speaks wise words.

TJ has apologised. So why continue to crucify him?

I'd say the problems of racism and intolerance are much greater darn sarf than up here

I'll have to take your word for it Al. I mean, I would come up there to find out what it's like for myself, but I'm too scared that I'll encounter loads of shouty arguey people, and as you know, I'm painfully shy in Real Life and easily frightened. 😥

No come on though all a bit silly this in't it?

TJ does himself no favours, but there are lots of vultures around who prey on his weakness to not be able to step away, and deliberately come on here to wind him up*. Like you've done in the past Al! That's not nice, and people should have a look at themselves imo. In fairness to you Al, you've chilled right out recently, and become a much better member of this forum, which is very positive. We can all change for the better , just takes a bit of effort.

*People try that with me, but the difference is, I know I'm superior to them anyway, so I don't get affected by their nonsense. 😀

Sorry - but unfortunately that's just not true. You've obviously been too careful in your choice of threads

Must have been. I will bow out as per my comment

(Unless i have never read this happening).

TJ could do a lot worse than maybe just acknowledge the other guy's point of view now and again. Stating this or that as a "FACT" or the classic "It has been shown" which may or may not be true but ploughing on regardless even when someone points out that he's barking up the wrong tree and does actually demonstrate how. There are endless examples of this.

And why not just say "Good point, didnt know that" instead of disappearing when he's dropped a clanger?

I resisted looking at this thread for as long as possible but it was inevitable, I got sucked in.

One thing I'm wondering. With all the point scoring that goes on is STW actually some sort of online game (like angry birds) and if so how do you win?

Now can we all just get on with the usual drivel that a day on this forum usually consists of?

Problem is, Al & TJ have obviously proved they can't function on a basic, open forum in a civilised manner.

This has been dragging on for ages and isn't doing anyone any favours.

Their mates in real life must have delivered them some sort of ultimatum by now - obviously it's not worked.

A nice long ban for the pair would do everyone a favour.
Sorry, not very nice, but there it is.

Ignore Fred. Worst offender.

people can be genuinely hurt by the way they get treated in an online forum.
best run and tell your mum if you are 'genuinely hurt'

You should see some of the stuff female bloggers get from the pent up rage of men [ mainly] who when they disagree suggest they should be raped etc. Someone suggested to dom jolly that he hoped his kids died of cancer FFS there has to be a line somewhere

TJ is sometimes abusive but I very much doubt he ever starts it how many on here would take what he gets given and not say something back?
It probably would help if TJ agreed to try and moderate his language on here and chill a bit but it would also help if others did not bait him. It reminds me of the school playground tbh where everyone picks on someone becaue they get an extreme reaction. We are adults could we all behave like it?

PS well done STW towers you must be face palming away at the muppets on here you rely on to stay in business...i would love to know your private thoughts ....e-mail in profile 😉

now could we all be excellent to each other and party on dudes?
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EXCELLENT!

Ignore Fred. Worst offender.

I am utterly [i]devastated[/i] that you're offended, McBoo. 🙁

How can we make this right?

Someone suggested to dom jolly that he hoped his kids died of cancer FFS there has to be a line somewhere

i guess somewhere between breaking into dom's house and injecting his kids with infected blood and ignoring what somebody posts on an internet forum about bikes and shit.

one is relatively easy to do yet some people still struggle with it.