[Closed] Should Murray get a knighthood ?

Wiggins got one for winning the TdF, so its going to happen isn't it?

NO! Hope not.. I dont know what worse, Murray or a Orange 5... 😉

You're not on your own, geezer.

How it is that we still seem to think monarchical largesse is the proper way to validate a sporting achievement in our supposedly modern, meritocratic society is beyond me...

Did he donate the winnings to Tory Party funds, via an offshore account? That's how you normally get them, isn't it?

Its just the usual populist, opportunistic, tabloid-feeding, headline grabbing claptrap from Call-me-Dave.

I've no problem with him getting a knighthood, but I think that it should wait until he retires. The same thing should have been the case for Chris Hoy and Bradley Wiggins too.

Alan sugar got one for making himself filthy rich. Why not Murray?

Alex Ferguson got one for shouting and chewing gum, so why not?

No one should get knighthoods.

gonefishin + 1

Should be merit for a career, not one event.

He already has a mound named after him, why does he need a knighthood?

Should be merit for a career, not one event.

Yup - he's not the best in the world - Federer, Nadal & Djokovic are all currently ahead of him on past results, this may not be always the case, but if they gave him one now - what could they give if he went on to hold all 4 grand slams at the same time or ranked number one in the world?

Wait until his career is over then give it to him by all means.

I'm probably on my own on this one !

No you're not.

Not against knighthoods per se, but for sustained services to sport/charity/whatever, not because it will make the Prime Minister more popular for being in touch with the people...

BTW, Wiggins was first brit ever to win TDF and has I believe four olympic golds from three different olympic games. Hoy has six olympic golds and is Britain's most successful olympian. Both were knighted in their thirties. Murray is doing very nicely thank you and may merit a knighthood one day, but not yet.

Is there any other nation in the world that gives out silly, pointless titles to people, so they can think themselves superior to everyone else?

Apart from former soviet republics run by madmen?

Is there any other nation in the world that gives out silly, pointless titles to people, so they can think themselves superior to everyone else?

Are you saying you'd refuse the title of Sir Binners if her maj saw sense and spread her goodies to STW and not to hugely rich sportsmen then? 😉

So should we give the British and Irish Lions too?
Or maybe the Scottish women who were OK at curling a few years back in the winter Olympics?
Where do you stop?

And kneeling in front of the Queen while she taps your shoulders with a sword...

...in the 21st century!

I think he should have his own flag.
The Murray flag,flown every year at Wimblington ,it would be teh awsumss.
A bit like this..

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Knights ride horses and fight wars apparently. Why they still exist today is beyond me. I think he should be made a saint, or a mayor, something with true status and relevance in a modern society, so we all know when to bow and courtsey. I thought he'd already had recognition for his achievements with the cup, winnings and being a champion.

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Gonefishin + another 1.

This need for immediate gratification with honours isn't very nice IMO. He won, and his reward for that was the cup/plate whatever and the money.

Knights ride horses and fight wars apparently

Not all the time,sometimes they just like a drink and a firm handshake 🙂

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Who cares about knighthoods... surely the question is who can possibly challenge him for SPOTY?!

Can cameron really think of no one more deserving?
Nurses, social workers, misionarys, charity workers?
There's an endless list of people who've dedicated their lives too helping others. Not some bloke who won a game of tennis, and will now be stupidly rich because of it.

Ah.... The traditional British dressing down of achievement.. 😐
First British winner since the thirties....
Well done Murray..

He should because of the precedent that has been set for others. In the grander scheme of things, probably not.

The problem is that the trend was set when Britain was a lot shitter at sport and now that we're doing pretty well across the board all these latest successes have to get the same treatment.

kayak23

Ah.... The traditional British dressing down of achievement.. 😐

I thought Britain was fairly unique in dishing out knighthoods and giving the official title of "Sir" to worthy individuals ?

So what countries do you think Britain should emulate ?

I thought Britain was fairly unique in dishing out knighthoods and giving the official title of "Sir" to worthy individuals ?

Legion of Honour?

What is the official tittle of someone who has been awarded the Legion of Honour?

I assume that every time someone who has been awarded the Legion of Honour is addressed there is a reminder of the special award they have received ? Or is that just a British thing ?

a fine duellist won his fight,

yeah lets make him a knight. 🙂

that wasn't supposed to rhyme btw....

I always thought you got to call yourself Chevalier of the Legion of Honour (or whichever rank you were awarded) but I can't now find a source for that.

So instead of being called Monsieur Andy Murray he would be called Chevalier Andy ?

Cool 🙂

That would be especially awesome when the umpire has to call the score in-match.

Who are knighthoods supposed to be for? Is Murray one of those people? And was the only person who looked a bigger ****er courtside than bumface Cameron the sweaty figure of Alex Salmond waving a saltire?

you seem to be on the wrong thread kona try here

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/nationalist-celebrations

Behave yourselves , look at the amount of MBEs & OBEs that were throw around after Engerlund won the minority sport centred around an urn of burnt wood, not much winging then was there 😈
Just as well some BRITISH .. ahem, sportsmen won a thing or two this weekend.

In time, yes

Right now, no

Nope.

Having to deal with "so are you getting married" questions on The One Show?

Yes. Give the poor chap a knighthood...

If he gets one now it really trivialises the honours system ... even more that both parties have done so far ...

Once he has done a little more and is 40, then maybe , yes ...

It is still beyond me what the whole honours system is swayed toward the popular media - esp actors . FFS, they are getting honoured for pretending to be other people ...
I am absolutely sure, that out there in the real world, there are a huge number of people giving their all, and really deserve recognition from society ...

More importantly, how many KOM's does he have?

esp actors . FFS, they are getting honoured for pretending to be other people ...

Some would say that they have been honoured for entertaining the public. And for therefore enhancing the lives of literally millions of people through their entertainment.

But stick with "getting honoured for pretending to be other people" - it sounds more theatrical and dramatic.

If anyone English ever wins they'll have to make them God.

Some would say that they have been honoured for entertaining the public. And for therefore enhancing the lives of literally millions of people through their entertainment.

But stick with "getting honoured for pretending to be other people" - it sounds more theatrical and dramatic.

Some indeed would - and everyone is entitled to there own opinions
I always had you down as man of the people than a luvvy 😆

Well normally I'd say no but you have to look at the precedents and on the basis of Sir Chris Ahoy, he should definitely get one......if not two!

I always had you down as man of the people than a luvvy

Don't be so stereotypical of a building worker from Croydon. I have my creative & artistic side I'll let you know.

Don't be so stereotypical of a building worker from Croydon. I have my creative & artistic side I'll let you know

Cool, glad to hear of it - never thought you wouldn't have

Don't suppose you it fire doors or do sash windows do you?

Bloody well done but not a knighthood yet.
If he gets a few more and becomes the best in the world maybe. AND if he does something socially useful. To many knighthoods about really.

If you can get to sleep with the light on you don't need a knighthood.

Yes but when devolution happens all Scottish people should lose their honours.

Looking at you Sean Connery.

Why, is Scotland going to be a republic?

Leku - Member

Yes but when devolution happens all Scottish people should lose their honours.

You want to knight him, then remove his knighthood, but 15 years before he got it?

Being a citizen of the Irish Republic didn't stop this geezer from getting an honour.

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Only read few of the comments but my view is that he should be knighted but then so are Tom, Dick and Harry, which means this honour should be devalued to just piece of worthless badge if it is not already worthless.

Sir to everyone!

🙄

First British winner since the thirties....

Apart from [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Wade ]Virginia Wade[/url], who whilst admittedly being the wrong sex, was actually quite good.

She's not a Dame yet, so no reason for Murray to be knighted just yet either.

I think he should, celebrities have been getting knighted for ages now. Its part of the modern culture.

He brought a big part of the nation together. Which is a good thing.

No he should not. The are a great many people out there who deserve recognition, and a sports star who was just doing there job and won £1.6 million in the process is not one of them.

I don't believe in giving Knighthoods to any athlete.

He has donated his winnings to a cancer charity.

http://inagist.com/all/353956050740850688/

Don't think that's true klunky.

He donated his winnings at Queen's (about £70k i think), but not Wimbledon.

That said, now the rumour/speculation is out there, he/his PR might feel pressured/see an opportunity 🙂

The problem here is that the whole system is based on an archaic antiquated concept of the big cheese handing out goodies to the slightly smaller cheeses so as to keep them onside and thus the big chesse on top of the heap. Therefore not surprisingly popular things are at the top of the list simply as a form of opiate to the masses as good old Karl used to put it.

Personally I just think the whole honours thing needs kicking into touch and replacing with a merit based system, as opposed to a patronage based one. Might be an idea to start with an independant panel to reveiw proposals that can be made by any member of society.

As far as Murray is concerned? Well I guess he has done something that merits recognition, and definately more so than the likes of the Thatcher offspring for example, so probably at some point would be my observation.

Fred says yes!

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Berm Bandit - Member

Well I guess he has done something that merits recognition, and definately more so than the likes of the Thatcher offspring for example

Well Mark's certainly done things that merit recognition. Just not good recognition.

I thought it was recognition for outstanding achievement? How is that not merit based?

Is there any other nation in the world that gives out silly, pointless titles to people, so they can think themselves superior to everyone else?

Loads, they are usually medals afaik. I would guess most countries have some gong they can hand out.

I would rather Hoy and Murray have them than a bland civil servant or the CEO of some bank or other that no-one's really heard of.

I don't believe in [s]giving[/s] Knighthoods [s]to any athlete[/s].

What is the metric on which Knighthoods are based?

If it's based on how many middle-aged ladies (including Mrs samuri) he gets all hot and bothered then I think he's well deserving of one.

I flipping hate the use of the word Metric in a pseudo intellectual bullshit bingo attempt to imply that the originator is somehow wise and deeply intelligent. It should be consigned to the bin along with ridiculously bright (normally red) braces.