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Short term work in the EU post B****t?

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I'm being sent to Prague for work next week - first abroad job since our departure from the EU.

I assume we need some kind of work Visa now? I haven't (yet) seen any evidence of this being sorted by my employers.

I've had a google and while I can find lots of stuff about long term work, but not going out for 6 days, to work for a UK based co. (its events industry stuff)

Thanks!


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 5:23 pm
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Not 100% sure, but a large event company in Munich used to have a large number of UK subbies they would call on for big jobs all over Europe. They've had to find a new group of people to work with since Brexit because they're not able to work as subcontractors in the EU. 


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 5:26 pm
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You don’t need any visa, just don’t spend more than 90 days per 180 days there.

This is presuming you are doing your normal job, just in the eu for a few days.


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 5:27 pm
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It depends exactly what you are doing.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-the-czech-republic-for-work


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 5:59 pm
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I've done 4 Europe work trips of upto a week post Brexit and never even thought to check! Back in Belgium next month, April and November


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 6:35 pm
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@jimmy748 That’s only if you’re going on holiday. If you’re working you (probably) need a visa.

@matt_outandabout Danger there is if they ping you you might get barred from entry?


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 6:46 pm
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I could ask a mate but I’d have to listen to 3 hr expletive tinged rant about how ****ing stupid Brexit was, he (6man team) used to do audio/visuals for companies/conferences in hotels/halls/arenas etc, he tried to make it work but there was so many checks and paperwork for all the equipment that he packed it all in, sold his house in this country and moved back to New Zealand


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 6:56 pm
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Just ignore it and let your employer worry about any issues - I used this approach for years across the world and never had a (real) issue.


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 6:58 pm
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If you’re working for a UK company as an employee and being paid in the UK, no worries. If you’re working for an EU based company and they’re paying your wages, then you do need a work visa.


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 7:07 pm
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If you are in Europe for work as opposed to going there and finding a job, you don’t need a visa, I’ve an office in Italy and can spend up to 2 weeks a month there.


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 7:08 pm
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Depends on the country and the job.

Timidwheeler’s link has a good summary; reads to me that you have 7 days visa free in Czechia per a work visit for your role Jon. You’re sorted.


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 7:16 pm
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As others have said you need to check the specifics in timidwheeler's link to the UK gov site for each country and see what work exemptions there are. Typically providing a service or attending meetings / conferences for a short time period are exempt. But I remember colleagues having to explicitly turn down payment for talks in the USA (conference or invited lectures) because it wouldn't be worth the visa hassle.


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 7:46 pm
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You do not need a visa for short trips to the EU or countries in the Schengen area if both of the following apply:

you’re staying for 90 days or less in a 180-day period
you’re visiting as a tourist or for certain other reasons
Other reasons include:

studying a short course
getting medical treatment
travelling for business for your UK employer, for example to attend a business meeting or conference
journalism or other media activities

That text is from the Schengen visa waver page. But it appears each country has a slightly different list. Like they've preselected from a wider set of options.

The Czech Republic page has their own list, but if nothing from that covers you for 90 days, then for less than 8 days the list seems decent:

The following may not require a visa or permit in the Czech Republic if they’re for no more than 7 continuous days and up to 30 days in a calendar year:

providing services as part of an after-sales agreement by a non-Czech company
supplying goods or services
carrying out assembly work under a commercial contract
carrying out warranty and repair work
educational and academic work in a school
scientific, research and development work in a public research institution, or other research organisation
performing artist


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 10:24 pm
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Yet another fhucksit benefit, eh?

(This isie is easy compared to having to get the business I worked in for nearly 30 years re-accredited via a real EU based office from a real EU state government  to to the same work as we'd done for donkeys years.  Spaffing away somewhere between a quarter and half a million quid to do it. 


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 10:38 pm
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Whoah whoah whoah.

You don't need a visa if you are travelling as a tourist. But you will need some form of document or permit if you are travelling for work, which you are. My employer has an agency that does this, you fill in a form and they let you know what you do and don't need.

In my experience, most countries have a set list of tasks that they say you either do or don't need a permit for, and they are always both weirdly specific and vague at the same time and they never cover what you really want to do. In most cases though the activity called 'attending meetings' is the one you don't need a permit for, and pretty much all our visits are meetings of some form or another, right? So we are generally encouraged to put that down. However, having re-read your OP you are doing something to do with events, so if you are e.g. erecting stands or doing sales even that may well be a category on their list that you will have to declare and therefore may need a permit. It can take a while to get, too.

In any case it's your employer's job to either sort it out or provide you the means to sort it out. But you need to get it sorted out.


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 10:59 pm
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I and the government website literally contradict this Molgrips:

"But you will need some form of document or permit if you are travelling for work, which you are."

Have travelled for work into Schengen countries many times in the last 12 months, as have plenty of colleagues. Never needed anything and have clarified that this is ok. Of course, this would change if I took a role in the EU based part of the group. As you clarify after that statement, it does depend on exactly what you're doing. So the second entry in the Czech list would appear to be a bloody wide catch all for short visits.


 
Posted : 04/01/2024 11:53 pm
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On top of a visa for yourself you may also need paperwork for any equipment. Anything you are leaving there will need export paperwork. Anything you are taking and bringing back should have an ATA carnet. Tools and exhibition equipment are two things listed as examples. There isn't much checking especially if you aren't obviously commercial (eg in a van) but the requirement is there.


 
Posted : 05/01/2024 7:41 am
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Thanks all. I’m reasonably happy with the “ supplying goods or services/carrying out essential work under a commercial contract for less than 7 days” bit.

Carnet for the kit is all sorted. That was kind of what prompted the thought. We’d got “visas” for the gear - what about the people??


 
Posted : 05/01/2024 7:57 am
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Posted : 05/01/2024 8:03 am
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When I've done it I've taken a letter from the company on headed paper with "instructions" on what I am to do (attend conference X, meetings with Y) that I can use to evidence that I do not need a visa if I get asked at any point.


 
Posted : 05/01/2024 8:58 am
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