[Closed] Shoot the man or the lion?

Personally, I think they should have just shot the dude/let the lions finish the meal

We'll put you at the top of the list of volunteers to tidy up his remains and inform his family too? Of course you shoot the lions.

We'll put you at the top of the list of volunteers to tidy up his remains and inform his family too?

I'll get the mop.

Of course you shoot the lions.

No, no you don't: The guy was being stupid. I'm struggling to see what the lions have done wrong. Even if they had attached and killed the bloke, they still shouldn't have been shot.

stripped naked

The Loin King.

Edit: I really do post some shit.

They should've let the lions eat him if that's what he wanted. Killing the lions isn't right.

Dart the man,lions and Bongo.
Get man to safety and leave bongo to explain to the lions what some humans are like. 😛

I've just read the zoo's excuse is "we don't have any fast-acting tranquillisers": I'd say "grub's up" Simba.

The guy was being stupid.

Or unwell.

Lions , sorry . Thems the breaks

Guys a total tool ( probably very ill sadley )
and certainly the lions have done nothing wrong. But of course you'd have to shoot them to preserve human life !!!!

Or unwell.

Yeah, I read he was having psychological problems after I posted that.

Get man to safety and leave bongo to explain to the lions what some humans are like.

The mane issue with this, is my pride would get in the way, and I'd end up lion to them.

It's a tough one, id err on saving the lions

[i]psychological problems[/i]..? Pretty much gathered that from the OP's post. Killing the animals ain't gonna fix his brain.

Some of you should show some simbathy.

You have to imagine it would be somehow possible to shoot the lions sub lethally to scare them but who knows. Without seeing a video I can't fully put on my "internet lion/suicide expert" hat.

Some of you should show some simbathy.

Aslan as people keep making bad puns, I just can't see that happening.

Shoot the stupid dude 🙄

psychological problems..? Pretty much gathered that from the OP's post. Killing the animals ain't gonna fix his brain.

Letting him get mauled by Lions won't do much good either. It's a shame for the Lions though.

You have to imagine it would be somehow possible to shoot the lions sub lethally to scare them but who knows

I'd imagine pissed off wounded lion is far more dangerous.

Shoot the man or the lion?

Poor lions ... a sad day.

The correct answer is of course you do nothing.

chewkw -

The correct answer is: of course you do nothing but start filming the entire situation live with

Ah ye bastard, you made me click the link hoping for a video. Iz disappoint.

Numbers.
Simplez
More of us than them.
So Darwinism rules.

jimjam - Member

chewkw -
The correct answer is: of course you do nothing but start filming the entire situation live with

Ah ye bastard, you made me click the link hoping for a video. Iz disappoint.

I have just edited my response because someone might be too sensitive and may blame the situation on me.

There you go ... let nature take it's course.

[b]Poor poor lions now I have to shed tears for the lions.[/b]

Apparently lions will eat your cock and balls first and it appears one of the lions was doing just that. Guy might wish they'd shot him. If he survives.

jimjam - Member
Apparently lions will eat your cock and balls first and it appears one of the lions was doing just that. Guy might wish they'd shot him. If he survives.

My suggestion to him is, if he is alive he should swim with the Nile crocodiles or standing at the bank of the river trashing the water where Nile crocodiles are about.

Did the lions have names? We all know that animal lives only [i]really[/i] matter when they have charismatic names.

I hope the bloke wasn't a dentist...

chewkw

Delicacy or just the weakest part of the body?

Soft floppy snack I suppose.

ninfan

Did the lions have names? We all know that animal lives only really matter when they have charismatic names.

Well these were zoo lions so they will almost certainly have names and due to their regular exposure with humans they'll have probably adopted a lot of our better traits. Empathy, humour love of music and the arts, capitalism......basically human lions. Just like Cecile.

they'll have probably adopted a lot of our better traits

I heard their enclosure was heated with a wood burner.

Why would they shoot the lions? Sounded like a consensual arrangement between lions and suicidal bloke.

Shoot the lion unfortunately.

This man was obviously very unwell and as a consequence of his illness he ended up in a lion enclosure, through no fault of his own. I.e. If he wasn't ill and of rational mind he wouldn't of done this.

Entirely wrong the lions were killed, bit of a shame for the bloke, but it's his choice to die that way, stupid or not.
Think of it as evolution in action.

You tranqualise the lions first and hope for the best, posting youtube clip of consequences.

Shooting the lions? No, mentally ill man or not, the lions did not deserve that. They were doing what lions do, in the enclosure provided by the zoo.

Hard call but it very difficult to decide

I have great sympathy for the mentally ill person trying to commit suicide but its seems very unfair to harm animals, doing what they do, for his actions.

Tough one tbh.

Save the ammo and turn around.

Earths overpopulated and we often forget we're just animals with more intelligence but no more right to be here.

Surely you video it on your camera phone and upload it to youtube?

Then when it gets taken down from youtube it will be forever preserved on ogrish.com? (if that still exists and is not riddled with p0rn these days)

Call me unsympathetic but there are plenty more people in the world than Lions, but for me the choice would have to be if out in the wild, with wild lions that are able to live and breed - try and scare away the lions to stop them attacking humans as that will only lead to more being shot but if it comes down to it let them have their lunch if someone is stupid enough to get too close on purpose.

In a zoo, the lions are probably not enjoying themselves anyway but I'd be still tempted to tranq the guy and then get someone to try and distract the lions with meat etc and try and drag the incapacitated guy out by his ankles but I guess you have to be prepared to take down the lions 🙁

He may well be ill but it's still a stupid and selfish thing to do that has now cost 2 lions their lives. This is going to sound really callous but if you are going to kill yourself there are are far less selfish ways to do it. The effect of suicides on other people (someone who hits/finds your body, emergency services, family and friends you leave behind) is horrific and pointless and yes it is very sad when someone gets that far and one would hope they would get some help before they do it but to do something like that which is going to be in front of families and cause harm to innocent endangered animals is just selfish.

So we shoot or let people die who have mental health problems? Classy.

I love how caring people on here are to those with mental health issues.

I'd be bloody annoyed at anyone who stopped me committing suicide. Particularly if they killed a lion in the process.

Shot the man and the lions - with tranquilizers .

I think the only real thing to say is it's just a very sad event all round and both having lions in zoos and people in that kind of state is a sad reflection of the world we have created.

Zero chance I would shoot the lions. He climbed into the pen and when the lions ignored him he provoked them.

So we shoot or let people die who have mental health problems? Classy.

Yes he was ill but that is not the lions fault and I don't think they should pay the price for his mental health issues anymore than I should have to.

Of course he is a victim but he is "less" innocent than the lions in the sense that what he created the situation so he is the "guilty" one.

Its a hard one for sure but why would you should the innocent party and two of them?

I love how caring people on here are to those with mental health issues.

How do we know the individual had mental problems?

This could genuinely be the perfect forum thread, I don't believe there is any kind of right answer but just enough info to let the opinions fly.

jimjam - Member
This could genuinely be the perfect forum thread, I don't believe there is any kind of right answer but just enough info to let the opinions fly.

Shoot the man.

How do we know the individual had mental problems?

"climbed into a lion enclosure, stripped naked and taunted them into attacking him"

I agree with Drac

Frankenstein

Shoot the man

Without knowing more about you can't say that though. He might have just had a hard night on the vodka-redbull and buckfast and took such a savage fear that he wanted to end it. We've all been there.

Plus there are parts of Africa where they have such a surplus of lions they are bringing in snipers to cull them. So it's not as if the bastards are a precious commodity.

"climbed into a lion enclosure, stripped naked and taunted them into attacking him"

I agree with Drac

Again. How do we know the individual had mental problems? He may well have, but he might have just thought **** it, I am going to get taken out by lions. We just don't know.

Seems more rational than putting on explosive underwear and getting on public transport.

😆 @ some of the quick editing. I saw that! 😮

Bottom line, there is no justification in shooting the lions regardless of the person's mental health.

You can pry him off the lions mouth but you do not shoot the lions dead.

Looks like the mods just tranquilised a few posts 8)

What an excellent result. 🙄

The sooner we start treating all species with equal respect the better.

Looks like the mods just tranquilised a few posts

🙂 phew!

Why did the zoo not have enough tranquilliser?

Good luck to the person who has to aim and shoot another person, who isn't armed and not trying to kill you. Do you want to be the person to actually decide this is a good idea and then do it yourself and be totally fine about it afterwards? Fancy some PTSD when your subconscious decides it wasn't a good idea after all?

If they guy was depressed and wanted to die, maybe he really liked lions and thought that would be best way to end it.

Think how more depressed he is gonna be when he wakes up and learns that the lions died and not him.

Where next? The crocodile enclosure?

If we're keeping with the same theme I'm guessing grizzly bear. They go for the face. But more likely pills.

If he really wanted to be creative, he could recreate how Mr Hands went out.

How do we know the individual had mental problems? He may well have, but he might have just thought **** it, I am going to get taken out by lions. We just don't know.

Are you ****ing serious? Read that again and tell me that doesn't look like the most ridiculous post yet.

As for some of the rest of you. Classy. That's someone's son, possibly husband or boyfriend, get some ****ing perspective. Nobody in their right mind does something like this. Selfish doesn't even come into it, when you're thinking that way you aren't being rational, oddly enough.

Are you **** serious? Read that again and tell me that doesn't look like the most ridiculous post yet.

Which bit?

squirrelking has hit in on the head. Are some of you the sort of person that likes goading suicide jumpers. We talk about raising the awareness of mental health issues and we have this attitude.

How many have read the report. It seems as if the tranquilizer was intended for the lions. If they man is hit and then the lions set on the man, then sorry as far as I am voncerned the persons life takes prescedence. This was happening infront of a large crowd remember. Who would wish to witness or allow their children to witness someone being mauled by a lion?
This is a sorry affair, but I am sure that the right decision was made in the end by the shooter.

Which bit?

The bit where you say he might not have mental health issues but then thought he wanted to die anyway. That bit.

This forum is so predictable sometimes.
So there's this event, on the other side of the world, (which, to be honest, may not have actually happened) (or might as well have not, for all the difference it'll make to our lives) you only have vague information about. Someone types some crap about it and you get all sanctimonious and try to prove how much better a person you are than them.... so weird. So predictable.

you get all sanctimonious and try to prove how much better a person you are than them

Or, better informed. Give it a go, you might learn something useful that could save someones life one day.

Plus there are parts of Africa where they have such a surplus of lions they are bringing in snipers to cull them. So it's not as if the bastards are a precious commodity.

Surplus by who's definition and cause? I suspect it's too many in a confined area as the have been restricted to that area due to hunting and its too near a human population. ie both problems caused by humans.

Plus there are parts of Africa where they have such a surplus of lions they are bringing in snipers to cull them. So it's not as if the bastards are a precious commodity.

Erm...

Most lions now live in eastern and southern Africa, and their numbers there are rapidly decreasing, with an estimated 30–50% decline per 20 years in the late half of the twentieth century

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion#Population_and_conservation_status

The bit where you say he might not have mental health issues but then thought he wanted to die anyway. That bit.

I stand by it. Until the facts come out, we cannot know for sure what his mental state is.

Has anyone mentioned the 3rd option of not having places where we put wild animals in cages so people can pay to gawp at them? Just a thought...

In an ideal world that would be the case, Daz. But sadly the increase in poaching, even in national parks, means zoos play an important part in conservation now.

I stand by it. Until the facts come out, we cannot know for sure what his mental state is.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/world/zimbabwe-park-warns-it-may-shoot-200-surplus-lions-now-that-big-game-hunters-are-staying-home

bongohoohaa

I stand by it. Until the facts come out, we cannot know for sure what his mental state is.

Well when he wakes up with no genitals he'll be mad, that's for sure.

Do you let a person get mauled by lions infront of a crowd of adults and children whilst waiting to find out?

In preference to shooting the lions? I know what the kids would prefer.

Until the facts come out, we cannot know for sure what his mental state is.

Do you really need this spelled out for you?

NOBODY in their right mind decides to end their own life. FFS.

Well when he wakes up with no genitals he'll be mad, that's for sure.

So we're 100% on the no genitals thing?

NOBODY in their right mind decides to end their own life. FFS.

What about assisted suicide? I'm not saying the lions were supplied by Dignitas, but to say people only end their lives if they are not in their right mind is a bit of a generalised statement.

Do you let a person get mauled by lions infront of a crowd of adults and children whilst waiting to find out?

It was good enough for the Romans.

Again. How do we know the individual had mental problems? He may well have, but he might have just thought **** it, I am going to get taken out by lions. We just don't know.

So they should have waited until he had been seen by a psychologist before deciding on what to do.

It was good enough for the Romans.

squirrelking

NOBODY in their right mind decides to end their own life. FFS.

No virgins for you then sucka!
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Yeah, and what did they ever do for us eh?

Well, there was the aqueduct...

What about assisted suicide? I'm not saying the lions were supplied by Dignitas, but to say people only end their lives if they are not in their right mind is a bit of a generalised statement.

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