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Tantrums over. No more anti-democracy marches or calls for a second referendum. Wee Jimmy Kranky put in her place by Brussels in a tragic unrequited love affair.
The grown ups are back in charge with just a few little-uns left squabbling in the red wendy house.
It's all good for us winners !
It's all good for us winners !
Any news on what it is you / we have won yet?
Boris Johnson is Foreign Secretary.
We're all losers.
It's all good for us winners !
There's no winners here. Just people being smug despite having no reason to be
enjoy the recession and years of uncertainty
Can we park this thread for 5 years and then revive it so we can actually understand how it all panned out?
And now you've got to come up with some answers.
Free movement of people
Effect of trade tariffs on GDP
Workers rights
Restabilising inward investment
Or is it just boot the foreigners out?
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I feel assured that everything will be alright.
The grown ups are back in charge
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"It's all good for us winners !"
You've won shit in a sock. Go on, put your hand in; feel your victory.
yep - well done indeed...
Google Pyrrhic Victory, you gloating cockwomble. 😉
Tantrums over. No more anti-democracy marches or calls for a second referendum. Wee Jimmy Kranky put in her place by Brussels in a tragic unrequited love affair.
The grown ups are back in charge with just a few little-uns left squabbling in the red wendy house.It's all good for us winners !
2/10, poor trolling attempt is too obvious a trolling attempt.
You've won shit in a sock. Go on, put your hand in; feel your victory.
Chapeau
Out of five guys I know who openly voted leave, one is seriously regretting it now because he's realised his job is based on EU funding (he's a microbiolgy researcher with a PHD! FFS he should have engaged brain). Three are being incredibly smug but can't give a valid reason why they voted leave, not one, but are adamant it was the right call.
The other has put some good arguements across and i respect his personal decision, if not the outcome of his action.
So my incredibly small sample gives 20% validity, 20% outright stupitiy and 60% non-sensical smug bellends
...and in other news, I've just put the phone down on the third overseas agent who has called me this week to express his shock at a decision he feels must have been driven by ignorance and xenopohobia, and seeking assurance that our trading relationship won't change.
Two people told me this week that they voted for Brexit "as a protest" but never thought it would actually happen. Idiots.
Can you imagine the sense of utter [u]desperation[/u] felt by Rab and Mary Doll, after two weeks of running around whinging about how the EU vote meant there should be another indyref, as the new prime minister stood at the lectern in Downing Street and said:
[i]The full title of my party is the Conservative and Unionist party... and that word unionist is very important to me. It means we believe in the union, the precious, precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.[/i]
😆
There's no winners here.
Are you sure?
What about all the rich folk who could afford to buy loads of shares when the market crashed?
or all the fat cat lawyers who will make a fortune out of changing UK legislation?
Some people will do exceptionally well out of Brexit.
Interesting take on will v capability.
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By David Alan Green in the FT.
In case you missed it OP:
I'm waiting for enough of the smarter leavers to realise their mistake and start crying for a reversal. How I'll laugh.
The smug leavers must remember that the margin was so narrow that all the promises cannot be delivered and that the promises were so ridiculous that they cannot be delivered either.
Eventually the leavers will wake up and realise what they have done.
So come on, stop prissyarsing around and get the process started.
And the Darwin award goes to... 😆spawnofyorkshire - Member
one is seriously regretting it now because he's realised his job is based on EU funding (he's a microbiolgy researcher with a PHD!).
The full title of my party is the Conservative and Unionist party...
Ah yes, great to see a traditional stand for Conservative & Unionist National Togetherness 😉
I don't think Theresa can actually [i]force[/i] Scotland to respect that "precious, precious bond" - not without deploying some precious, precious troops anyway.
Ian Hislop wetting his pants ! Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. Can we have some film of Bob Geldof taking a stroll through a fishing port please?
Im crying, but only at your naivety
"microbiolgy researcher"
I'm sure plenty of non EU nations do micro biology research and I see no reason why post exit UK wouldn't.
@wwaswad: Yup. Sums it up.
The smug leavers must remember that the margin was so narrow that all the promises cannot be delivered and that the promises were so ridiculous that they cannot be delivered either.
What I've seen so far has been Leavers blaming Remainers for sabotaging Brexit. 🙄
I suspect that will only continue - they had a fantastical glorious independent future in mind, with no immigration, a soaring pound, and £350 million a week to spend multiple times over.
So any post-referendum reality that starts to look less like that Brexit utopia and more like the warnings of Remain's "Project Fear" will be squarely blamed on the bitter Remain voters trying to sabotage things.
outofbreath - Member
"microbiolgy researcher"I'm sure plenty of non EU nations do micro biology research and I see no reason why post exit UK wouldn't.
its about funding and collaboration with the EU though, by far our biggest imternational collaborator
http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/080716/clipid/080716_SCI
Well the outcome of Brexit is that I've realised that I'm a much colder, harder bastard than I realised. Haven't talked to my oldest friend in three weeks because she's an ignorant idiot, not that I hate her for being a brexiter - I just can't be bothered wasting my time by spending it with a cretin.
"So any post-referendum reality that starts to look less like that Brexit utopia and more like the warnings of Remain's "Project Fear" will be squarely blamed on the bitter Remain voters trying to sabotage things."
That's exactly what May has avoided with her choice of Boris, Davis etc.
Five topics started in the last 2 years OP?
Get back to the Daily Mail where you belong.
APF
I got the chance to tell my MIL that she is a little bit simple. Brexit was an excellent excuse and one of the only upsides I can see at this stage.
I really am curious what the Exitards think they have won though...
Some reasonable text from a BBC HYS :
"The Experts wanted to remain, we are leaving and to leave we need the experts to sort out the mess the uninformed got us in to, like it of not the remain camp need to make Brexit work as the leave camp was made of those uninformed and not experienced enough to move forward - backward thinking (talking as a whole not the one or two gems in the leave camp, they can have a hand in it as well)"
Essentially this backs up the capacity article above.
Leave does not have the capacity to execute - those that do are not willed to do so.
Leave - "Go on get on with it we won!"
Stay - " Get on with precisely what ?"
............................................
That's exactly what May has avoided with her choice of Boris, Davis etc.
Maybe. I hope so.
But there are plenty of voices already saying that she is setting them up to fail.
I was reading the reader's comments in The Metro yesterday (always a mistake) and it was full of stuff about how Andrea Leadsom had been deliberately sabotaged to get May in, so she could then wreck Brexit.
Mind you these are probably exactly the same people who were telling us before the referendum that the government were planning to fix the result. I guess giving out all those pens must have prevented that 🙄
Gove fired off into no mans land.
Even the darkest of clouds can have a tiny silver Pob-shaped lining.
Here's hoping that Boris makes an utter **** of himself. It makes you think that by promoting these three to Brexit-heavy departments it will show that they aren't up to the job and that it will be unworkable.
Ian Hislop wetting his pants ! Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. Can we have some film of Bob Geldof taking a stroll through a fishing port please?
You're laying it on a bit thick now. On a boring conference call or something?
I've met a few leavers - my social circle consists mainly of younger, educated people so mostly remainers fortunately.
The leavers I know were motivated by immigration thinking that reduced immigration will result in higher salaries and reduced house prices. Well we may get lower house prices with a recession so maybe that's a win for them?!
And now you've got to come up with some answers
Yes, a novel concept indeed. And very different from being dictated to by unelected **** in Luxemburg.
Now if they could just bring in a new law that said if you voted leave and loose your job in a post Brexit meltdown you get a slap around the face and a bucket of sick instead of benefits.
It's all very amusing from outside. Everyone thinks the UK is a joke country.
[i]very different from being dictated to by unelected **** in Luxemburg. [/i]
Yes, we have enough of those in the House of Lords...
Incidentally if the OP [i]really[/i] thinks the Remainers have gone to sleep (despite this and half a dozen other threads still raging on) then it's only because some have become a bit numb:
I'm sure plenty of non EU nations do micro biology research and I see no reason why post exit UK wouldn't.
And all you have to do is click your heels three times and grant funding from China, India, Iceland, Peru etc will fall out of the sky.
It's all very amusing from outside. Everyone thinks the UK is a joke country.
Are you in the Principality of Sealand?
Leave does not have the capacity to execute - those that do are not willed to do so.
Leave - "Go on get on with it we won!"
Stay - " Get on with precisely what ?"
This, the number of times I've seen leavers finish with "and the decisions made now so we all need to pull together to make it work.".
**** off, no we don't. I will make sure that I'm ok, you need to come up with a feasible proposal as to how this might work.
very different from being dictated to by unelected **** in Luxemburg.
If only that were true.
Could you demonstrate how this so called dictatorship functions? Any links? Supporting evidence?
This, the number of times I've seen leavers finish with "and the decisions made now so we all need to pull together to make it work.".
I think that's part of the Blame Remain tactic.
If it all falls apart they will say "Well if those childish Remainers had just pulled together..."
It's all good for us winners !
Congratulations on your victory.
Can you please tell us what you've won? And I don't mean rehashed lies or vague soundbites about "taking our country back".
If it all falls apart they will say "Well if those childish Remainers had just pulled together..."
Which is BS. We said it was a stupid plan, now it is incumbent upon the Exitards to show us why we are wrong, not get the rest of us to fill in the gaps in their half arsed, poorly thought out plan.
Dazzle us all, you ****ing cretins.
Are you in the Principality of Sealand?
other countries also exist
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Poundland?
i have not gone quiet i have simply shifted my focus onto tactical/strategic decisions to protect my family, business and personal life from the decision made by certain elements of society - i am taking the me first **** you approach so the following will happen in my life -
1. Will not be employing a new bod in the business in October
2. Will not be buying new hardware/kit for the business this year
3. Will not be investing in training for the business
4. Will not be selling my house
5. Will not be paying building trade tens of thousands to renovate new property
6. Will be taking above mentioned cash to allow my kids to buy property in a depressed market
7. Will sit on my pension funds and not spend it
8. Will not be buying any shiny things for some considerable time
9. Will be cutting overheads on home business
10. Will be cutting our day rates to clients to retain relationships
Will be sitting back to see what the hell happens, this is not revenge this is protectionism
OP here. So looking at most of the responses posted, can I assume that the remainers still have some fire in dem belly ! Bravo, you have more spirit than I gave you credit for !
What ya gonna do next ? Vote Libdem, start an online petition, tweet something clever, not talk to your mother in law ?
Your power is awesome. 😀
What are [i]you[/i] going to do next?
What ya gonna do next ?
I think you are asking the wrong people!
What's your plan OP? What are you going to do?
And very different from being dictated to by unelected **** in Luxemburg.
You see, this just sounds like a Daily Express headline that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Luxemburg
It's Luxembourg.
Could you tell me how we've all been "dictated to" by "unelected" people in Lucksumburger?
What's voting Libdem got to do with anything? I think there's much that you don't understand.
Which, of course, got us here in the first place.
What are [b]you[/b] going to do when the promises that were made to you in order to capture your exit vote aren't delivered?
Who's going to look like the mug then? 😆
OP here. So looking at most of the responses posted, can I assume that the remainers still have some fire in dem belly ! Bravo, you have more spirit than I gave you credit for !
What ya gonna do next ? Vote Libdem, start an online petition, tweet something clever, not talk to your mother in law ?
Your power is awesome.
You could address our points? Then we could have a reasoned debate, instead of a school-playground argument.
Once more - what have you won, and why is it better than what came before?
It's all good for us winners !
My brother in law voted leave, and has been a tad on the smug side about it. He voted this because he felt that as a police officer Mdme May had lied to them all, and he wanted to get back at her and the Conservatives, as did most of his colleagues it seems.
I am not sure he 'won' that one... 😆
I too want to park this thread for 5 years. I think I need to re-visit it like the incessant snow thread... 😉
Survival plan for me and my wife, is for her to stay in finance in London for two to three years (her job is nicely insulated from this fiasco even if we lose passporting rights and her company is actually making a killing on the uncertainty). She will get her level 3 CFA, then do a masters in something quantitative - Financial Statistics with Programming or something.
I'm going to do my masters soon as well, and then we are going to get up and leave for the United States or Canada.
Then, I'm going to send photos of myself basking next to a pool in the California sun - to my old friend who will be unemployed in the grey and dull North of England after being made redundant from her NHS job.
And on that day, I will allow myself to laugh with schadenfreude for a few moments.
What ya gonna do next ?
Nothing. Because if I do nothing, nothing will happen. Which is what I wanted.
[i]Nothing. Because if I do nothing, nothing will happen. Which is what I wanted. [/i]
this.
You want Brexit, you do something.
What ya gonna do next ?
It was a democratic vote and the ****wits won. I believe in democracy so we have to make the most of it. That's how things work. I am however lucky; relatively comfortably off with plenty of financial protection from what is to come. I firmly believe that when the shit does hit the fan, as it will do, that the least well off in society will get hit first - as they always are. As it was this sector of the electorate that voted out in greatest numbers I will feel entitled to feel less remorse than I would normally do. Squat in your own shit ladies and gents. Also when the government belt tightening starts and pensioners start to feel the pinch as another group that wanted this the sympathy with my in laws and their ilk who are reliant on state pensions and benefits and were staunch breixters will get a lot of 'I told you so's'.
Not much more we can do really, apart from hope the government of the day, whatever their flavour, can manage to dig us out of this.
Tom_W1987, I bet you don't go. You and your wife have just worked yourselves into a bit of a hysterical lather.
"Nothing. Because if I do nothing, nothing will happen. Which is what I wanted."
Right, ok, because that's such a great plan.
Good luck with that.
Tom_W1987, I bet you don't go. You and your wife have just worked yourselves into a bit of a hysterical lather.
More abuse.
I'll ask once more, then give up on you.
What have you won, and why is it better for the country than what we had before?
"Survival plan for me and my wife, is... to get up and leave for the United States"
Oh dear. 🙁
See what Tom has there thebees? A plan. A plan, based on facts, that can be put into place an acted upon. Something you, and all the other 'winners' seem somewhat devoid of...
Tom_W1987, I bet you don't go. You and your wife have just worked yourselves into a bit of a hysterical lather.
Doesn't particularly sound hysterical, the complete opposite actually.
But i wouldn't expect you to recognise the difference between a plan and a wild stab in the dark judging by your posts so far.
i have not gone quiet i have simply shifted my focus onto tactical/strategic decisions to protect my family, business and personal life from the decision made by certain elements of society
Exactly. I have a business to run, a family to look after, and staff to keep employed. I can't waste any more energy on trying/hoping this Brexit mess is fixed. I'm curious to see what actually happens because it certainly won't fulfil what the Leave crowd thought they were voting for...
Right, ok, because that's such a great plan.
Good luck with that.
What are you going to do to change the outcome?
We will, as she has family in California and can potentially get a green card now if she wants to. Her company is valuable to her for now, though.
I already lost one job due to Brexit uncertainty back in April, my biotech firm moved its laboratories over to it's Ireland base to make sure that their products could still be sold in the EU - as NICE decided not to buy one of their flagship drugs.
So there's not much reason for me to stay, Biotech is leaving the UK and we were shitly paid compared to our American co-workers anyway. Had I been able to move internally, I'd have gone from £22.5k to 95k dollars. Which looks more and more appealing as the pound tanks.
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Oh, I too have a small plan - I need to change my pension investment. Seems a UK invested pension this week is worth 20% less than last week 🙁
What ya gonna do next ?
Nothing, I'm in a role that's reasonably insulated from the potential fall out, as is my wife. We are in a financial position that we can cope.
The people I know who've voted leave are generally in jobs that are more precarious and don't have the financial flexibility if things go wrong. Unless things start to turn around quick I can foresee a few of them getting in serious trouble. My sympathy will be tempered by their choices.
We should judge Brexit in 5 years time. I am very optimistic for the future facing the world and not handcuffed to the corpse that is the EU
Oh, I too have a small plan - I need to change my pension investment. Seems a UK invested pension this week is worth 20% less than last week
FTSE 100 is up ? I suspect its being marled down to dissuade you from moving funds about.
Here you go Jamby
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Since 1975 we've put up with decades of people moaning about being IN the EU.
If it's undemocratic to campaign against the result, we'd never have had the referendum or voted Leave in the first place.
So prepare for decades of people moaning about "leaving" (whatever that means)!
One of the problems for me is that as someone who was pretty well informed, or so I thought, theres so many caveats on the EU membership we have (had) that I never realised, we are in a situation that frankly very few people fully understand. We just do not know as there isn't really a precedent for this (Greenland left I think though). So we are in a situation where we have a self fulfilling prophecy - indecision breeds this. We will no doubt be fiscally worse off, there will be trade agreements and such like but they will not be on our terms any more, they are quite skewed now. My view is the leave camp voted for something, very mch like the utopia of Scotland promised if we voted leave, the fact then was there was no detail and thank the lord we didn't do it. This is the same gig really in many ways, a lot easier to promise something and then apologise than defend the status quo which may look crap but is probably not that bad compared to other options. Selfishness and being unprepared to put a vote on paper do not absolve you of resposibility.
So TomW1967; you'd move from a country facing economic uncertainty but still with relative social stability, to one already mired in increasing economic failure, increasing inequality and social division, and increasing fear amongst it's population? I suppose you'd be relatively wealthy, so could afford health insurance etc, but can you 100% guarantee your economic future in a rapidly changing global market?
I admire your optimism, but the USA is the last place I'd move to!
"What are you going to do to change the outcome?"
I voted Remain. This isn't about those who did, this is about those who voted Leave. We were reasonably ok with the status quo; it's now the responsibility of the Leavers to show us what plan they have for all of us.
Which hasn't happened so far.
Remainers all seem to be a bit fixated on finance (national and personal). Maybe that's the big difference, you needed to have a middle class mindset to vote remain. Greed being prioritised over principles.
@spawn that's exactly how I see Remainers blind to the implosion which the EU is facing. As I posted on the otehr thread Remainers are looking at the short term and ignoring the medium and long term economic prospects of the EU