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Liking the drugged up Sherlock
Nice car, Mrs H.
Wasn't sure if Sherlock was on drugs or I was. Bloody weird tonight?
turned into a jimmy Saville doco
its turned to crap..... i gave it another chance after last week and just turned it off.... rubbish
Tis indulgent shit ....
I watched Endeavour instead. Sherlock appears to have disappeared up its own rear end going on last weeks episode (and the last couple before that) and while I was never a fan of Morse the 60's reboot at lease has some detecting in it.
Didn't see that coming.
Blimey, that was a corker.
Was ok tonight, but as soon as the daughter turned up, I suspected the therapist...got the final connection about 30 seconds before the reveal.
Was better than last week's, but still not hitting the spot for some reason and I can't work out what.
Blimey, that was a[s] corker[/s][b] load of self indulgent codswallop[/b].
No, it was great but im not buying the sister bit
The car was a great moment though:)
Ace.
Chilling.
Una Stubbs steals every scene she's in doesn't she?
Anyone notice when the car skidded into the bins, it missed the dropped kerb and they cut to another view as the rear wheel smacked the kerb. For the following scenes, there was a black bin bag placed in front of the presumably trashed alloy wheel 🙂
That was better. 8)
Much more enjoyable, but Sherlock didn't recognise his sister? Even with a wig?
I love it. Mrs 24k is riveted yet mostly confused so doesn't dare talk in case she misses the important bit. I get an hours evening nap as I find the program boring although I woke up for the car chase last night.
Una Stubbs steals every scene she's in doesn't she?
I agree. That quip about being a drug dealer's widow was brilliant. Mrs. Hudson clearly has great taste. That Aston was a nice colour.
He didn't notice John had been replaced by a balloon with a face drawn on it. There's an interesting interview with Mark Gatiss on the BBC website at the moment. Covers this sort of thing.but Sherlock didn't recognise his sister? Even with a wig?
After watching last weeks I nearly didn't bother with this one but I was glad I did, it was much better and a return to form.
@IHN - bit harsh, nobody is forcing you to watch it!
That's perfectly true, I watched it having enjoyed the previous series and thinking the previous episode was alright.
It's just going the way that these things always seem to go; let's start to weave in some ridiculously contrived back story to the characters, instead of concentrating on the main appeal of the (very well done) buddy movie aspect of Sherlock and Watson, some bad guys and some detectiving.
Una Stubbs steals every scene she's in doesn't she?
Indeed.
idk, the drugged up sherlock was cool - and the thing about Mary being a figment of Johns imagination -
The thing that's a bit poo was that there wasn't any real mystery to solve. They knew who the bad guy was and what he was doing from the start. It was all a bit floppy. And the whole "I'm a killer, a cereal killer" thing was just cringeworthy.
It's almost like they have this over-arching story line of John's demise from the death of his wife, and this Sherlock sister thing - but they've not really any real idea how to fill the actual episode with anything that connects the things together.
It's all gone a bit James Bond with the car thing also.
Liked it, better than last week.
Better - but poor still. Poor quality implasuble sub-Saville villain role. They proved they can all act - now they just need a script.
but they've not really any real idea how to fill the actual episode with anything that connects the things together.
Here's a crazy idea, why don't they try the
buddy movie aspect of Sherlock and Watson, some bad guys and some detectiving.
Watson's bus-girl = [s]Moriarty's[/s] Holmes's sister out for revenge. You heard it here first.
We loved it. But we loved it for what it was - not what we think a Sherlock episode ought to be.
My only disappointment was how poorly the Aston handled. It went round all the corners sideways, out of control, when the police Mondeo following was able to keep up quite smoothly. I know which one I'm going to get.
My only disappointment was how poorly the Aston handled. It went round all the corners sideways, out of control, when the police Mondeo following was able to keep up quite smoothly. I know which one I'm going to get.
Maybe Mrs H had had a sniff of what Holmes was on, or maybe just a sniff of Holmes? 😉
I was also disappointed by the continuity. The paisley on Toby Jones's cravat kept moving about scene by scene.
Echoing the rest, much better 2nd episode. Hopefully the 3rd will be another improvement.
Terpentine Trimblecrutch
Thought it was very good.
Liked Watson's confession very much .... but then Im soft as sh*** .
Blubberboy Comfortblanket
Liked Watson's confession very much .... but then Im soft as sh*** .
Yeah, I did too. Bilbo Baggins is out-acting Tumblebum Crumbleminge IMO (although Una Stubbs is pwning them both)
You're all grumpy buggers and I'm really enjoying it.
Englebert Humperdinck.
nickjb - Member
but Sherlock didn't recognise his sister? Even with a wig?
He didn't notice John had been replaced by a balloon with a face drawn on it. There's an interesting interview with Mark Gatiss on the BBC website at the moment. Covers this sort of thing.
Face blindness ([url= https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/my-life-aspergers/201303/how-much-aspergers-is-really-face-or-emotion-blindness ]Prosopagnosia[/url]), can be common in autism, perhaps with a sociopath also?
Just watched it again, I thought it was quite excellent..
Didn't like the first one much - too many "Oh, come on!" moments: GPS tracker in her memory stick, and she didn't check? and how was it powered? the fact that they cart these memory sticks around with them with every bit of information about each other when they might be captured? And someone who's as good at reading people as Sherlock would wind someone up that hard who was pointing a loaded gun around a room of people that he cared about, and that cared about him?
Second one was much better! Very good indeed.
Ding! Ding!
Round three!
Oh bollocks 🙁
I have literally no idea what the scoobies is going on. But then i've tuned in halfway through the 3rd episode without seeing the others!
Who's the weird woman in the glass prison? 😉
Mrs H listens to Iron Maiden while hoovering.
ORSUMNEZZ
It's become like Doctor Who, but even more absurd.
He's totally chewing the scenery. Nothing to do with Holmes at all.
It's kind of gripping, but equally quite terrible and rather baffling! Still, I'm hooked
Overacting Bumblefumblesnatch.
Oh bollocks
I expected better.
I think Mary got it right
"It's about the adventures and the stories"
So let's get back to the monster a week formula and knock the melodrama on its head
so his sister was queenie from blackadder?
That was really odd! This could've been a good series if it wasn't a Sherlock series if that makes sense.
I think I agree with Pook, Sherlock should be about solving crimes and not try and attempt to be a shutter island type psychological thriller.
Bit disappointing; expected a slightly more cohesive and satisfying plot arc from the series finale. Nonetheless, very tense and quite gripping. Worth it to see Mrs H rocking out.
buddy movie aspect of Sherlock and Watson, some bad guys and some detectiving.
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just pants.
So disappointing.
Enjoyed that.
Closing credit scene - did they just run out of "Rathbone Place" 🙂
Yes...suspect a similar scene was seen in many living rooms during that, wasn't great at all.
Unsure how all that could be going on and then the massive jump at the end...has been the worst of the series and that was the worst series yet.
All the ingredients were there but in completely wrong quantities.
massive jump at the end
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Clearly they stole the storyline from a Dangermouse episode. Very disjointed and clearly from a set of writers auditioning for the job. Where were the over the top fancy gfx from the last episode.
I expect to see Idris Elba as the next Sherlock.
Really enjoyed it, way better than many interpretations of the Sherlock Holmes character and great Sunday night entertainment.
According to the Guardian, the Viking on the floor in the closing credits was Paul Weller. Suitably bizarre for a barmy final episode!
Went to see it at the cinema as my daughter was taking friends for her birthday 'thing'.
I really enjoyed it. I think they got the balance between action, comedy and 'you have to think about that for it to make sense' about right. Some great cameos from Moriarty and Mrs Doyle.
I wonder if this will be Eggs Benedicts last run as Sherlock. Uber busy with being a movie star and cant be cheap.
We were quite enjoying it up to a point and then it just seemed to lose momentum, direction and credibility. Going to rewatch it to make sure but at the moment [u]very[/u] disappointed.
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[url= http://newsthump.com/2017/01/16/missing-persons-case-opened-after-sherlock-writer-vanishes-up-his-own-arse/ ]Newsthump sums it up for me.[/url]
Particularly "Police are appealing for witnesses to the event, which coincided with the adventures of Sherlock Holmes irrevocably turning into an episode of the Crystal Maze run by Hannibal Lecter."
It was ALMOST interesting.
The germ of some good ideas totally obscured by Moffat/Gatiss' inability to structure a coherent narrative any more and some horrible overacting (bar Freeman).
I did get the feeling it was more Who than Holmes for most of it though.
It's a great cast and fairly impressive production but yet again it feels let down by script and plotting. The middle of these 3 eps was good but the first and last left me unsatisfied. The Mary Watson monologue at the end was cringeworthy.
Is Moffat just horribly over-rated? When these shows feel the need to 'go big' and have the whole world in jeopardy in every episode I lose interest. The interesting stories are nearly always the ones on a smaller scale.
Watched the first episode last night. It's not half as smart as it used to be and is teetering on the brink of being irritating, but overall it was an enjoyable 90 minutes. The single malt probably helped.
simons_nicolai-uk - Member
Is Moffat just horribly over-rated?
Don't think it's that so much as he's running out of fresh ideas (or just being lazy).
Loads of last night's episode covered familiar Moffat ground - especially his liking for childhood nightmares and fears, and messages from characters via video (he's really starting to overuse this one in particular).
Would quite like to see someone like Charlie Brooker drafted in to write a Sherlock script or two...
Not good at all, I am afraid to say it has become a parody of its self and moffatt and Gatis have fallen into being too happy to produce self congratulatory how clever are we scripts.
Moffatt wrote one of the best Dr Who ever ' blink's and revived Sherlock initially brilliantly, witty charming and intresting but lost all that.
It needed a good edit to 60 minutes, stop trying to be bond/ Ethan hawke/ Austin powers( Yes Holmes was action orientated at times, boxing and martial arts but not to this extent), focus on solving the mystery
The portrayal of Watson has sucumbed to the Nigel Bruce film character not the Watson of the book, actually Jude Law is a fine Watson.
Disappointing, boring and fatuous.
Would quite like to see someone like Charlie Brooker drafted in to write a Sherlock script or two...
this.
stop trying to be bond/ Ethan hawke/ Austin powers( Yes Holmes was action orientated at times, boxing and martial arts but not to this extent)
Good point. One of the disappointing scenes in the first episode was Holmes' fight with AJ by the indoor swimming pool. This AJ dude is supposed to be creme de la creme special ops, yet he struggled against Holmes.
Is Moffat just horribly over-rated? When these shows feel the need to 'go big' and have the whole world in jeopardy in every episode I lose interest. The interesting stories are nearly always the ones on a smaller scale.
This is the problem with a lot of movies too - I'm fed up with the world in peril, again...
Spent the last 2 evenings watching the latest season on iPlayer. Very dissapointing - feel a bit like i've been robbed of 4.5hrs of life.
Even my wife was nonplussed. Too many feelings and not enough detecting.
If we wanted a violent soap opera we could have tuned in to the Archers.
Strange last five minutes or so to the finale, it felt like the director had chopped out a huge section of footage.
Well, that turned out to be a pile of old pony didn't it?
Gatiss and Moffat had 4 novels and 56 Conan Doyle short stories to pick from, all classics.
Messing it up that badly takes some effort and not a little arrogance.
Very disappointing.
Too many feelings and not enough detecting.
'Too many feelings' 🙂 This is a pretty accurate assessment though, especially of the last episode. The 'feelings' are definitely part of the mix but they dialled too many bits up to 11 at the expense of other stuff.
Also not a massive fan of the whole Mary Watson thing.
It was OK. All pretty watchable with a few duff moments. Biggest issue for me was that they could've made this show [i]AND [/i]Sherlock. This really didn't need to be wrapped up as 'Sherlock'
not a massive fan of the whole Mary Watson thing.
Neither was Conan Doyle, to be fair.
He marries Watson off to Mary in The Sign Of The Four, but she dies at some point before 1903, a fact barely mentioned in the books.
He does remarry later on, but we hear nothing about his second wife.
Conan Doyle wasn't sure of the location of Watson's war wound either, and even seems to get his first name wrong on occasion.
🙂
I missed this but Paul Weller cameo'd in he finale.