against the fight against climate change?
Anyone on the ground seen what’s going on? Am I losing my mind?
From comments on various ‘grass roots’ videos I’m getting the sense that once they’ve finished fighting lockdowns/masks etc they then are going to war against climate change measures. ie not climate change itself, but they will be squaring up against the facts of climate change and any measures taken. In other words continue this largely fake ‘culture war’ and conspiracist trend beyond Brexit, Trump and Covid and into the forever…
Unsurprising that moronic science deniers are going to deny science. What next after the climate disaster? They going to deny gravity?
‘kin idiots
edit,
tbf, the one placard I saw was anti nuclear weapons/refugees welcome/anti “the bill”
Which is reasonable as it’s a **** tv show
once they’ve finished fighting lockdowns/masks etc they then are going to war against climate change measures
Many have predicted this.
I fear my M-i-L might have been there. But we wouldn’t know as she’s incommunicado at the moment.
It’s been a sad descent from a sort of “healthy” scepticism sometime last year (fairly liberal use of the word “healthy” there - just couldn’t think of anything else in the moment) - it was more an anti-Tory type sentiment - to pretty much full on denial that COVID is even a problem now, let alone the anti-vaxx bollocks. We’ve tried the various tactics advised for discussing it but nothing works. I hope that herd immunity will help protect her and others like her going forward. 😕
Being a colossal berk doesn't limit itself to one thread of idiocy it seems.
Wunch of bankers.
Alleged aerial footage:
Any mainstream coverage?
The mainstream media are keeping the truth of the plandemic away from the sheeple.
Sometimes I wonder if perhaps we are the ones that have it wrong.
Then I remember science & evidence trumps YouTube citations.
What next after the climate disaster? They going to deny gravity?
‘kin idiots
I think you may have stumbled onto a solution. A social media whisper campaign that the only way to properly deny gravity is to step off a tall building. I would suggest starting this soon, you don't want them finding out about the illuminati and elections.
Then I remember science & evidence trumps YouTube citations.
Sometimes it seems like only for a small minority. Or the ones that get zero attention. Why have an expert when you can have an social media influencer?
Well that BBC report mentions ‘thousands’ yet it looks nearer tens of thousands, or over a hundred thousand to me? The report also makes a bigger deal about Extinction Rebellion for some reason but the ‘flavour’ I’m getting is conspiracy/anti-lockdown/anti-mask/anti-vaccine protest?
Were any STWrs present/in the area? Would love to hear a possibly less-biased report.
My understanding was it was originally an Extinction Rebellion event, there were due to be more around the country as well. Presumably the others were invited or just tagged along.
Really worries me that causes like climate change and kill the bill risk being hijacked by the anti science groupings
Oh no not the climate emergency. Is that as terrifying as the deadly covids?
Stop flapping man, it's just the weather
We’re hoping to steady the temperatures at somewhere around your IQ.
Stop flapping man, it’s just the weather
Stop trolling man, it’s just basic education.
We’re hoping to steady the temperatures at somewhere around your IQ.
I think we’re well beyond that particular tipping point
daveylad
Free MemberOh no not the climate emergency. Is that as terrifying as the deadly covids?
Stop flapping man, it’s just the weather
Wow you’re so edgy 😒 No, it’s more terrifying than Covid
From comments on various ‘grass roots’ videos I’m getting the sense
i disagree
Lead the fight ?, yeah we'll do that, and all while importing our produce from as far away as south America or Australia.
Carbon footprint ?
We'll offset that by doing away with fossil fuel transport for the masses.
We, a small country that doesnt produce much pollution will lead the fight and the great unwashed will pay through the nose for it.
I Dunno, reading about it, it would appear to have been a pretty aimless march. I'm not sure how aligned all of the marchers were with one another...
Sounds like people were just out to shout about whatever has annoyed them most over the last year. everything from Anti-Vaxxers to Brexiteers to Extinction Rebellion and all points in between.
Calling it a "Freedom March" seems intended to nudge the narrative towards claiming it was about Gammony topics... But I think it might have been more like a general "March against Malaise"...
Everyone's depressed, we can't go for a holiday, even the weather is having mood swings, we're being governed by shameless incompetents and liars....
Just Unnngh! Can everything not just ****-off now?
There were two completely unconnected marches in London yesterday.
One was the Freedom March and the other one was the People’s Assembly Against Austerity.
Today Extinction Rebellion had a demonstration in London.
Also today in London there was the "Free to Dance Protest" which apparently despite its name was a serious protest highlighting the effect of restrictions on the hospitality industry.
Edit : the People’s Assembly is an organisation backed by trade unions and several political parties including the Labour Party.
Everyone’s depressed, we can’t go for a holiday
Oops, I just went camping two weeks ago. First proper break I’ve had for 3 years and it was much needed. Went for a pint. A meal. Some walking, some biking.
https://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk/helpandadvice/travelplanning/coronavirus/
When I arrived at the site I was told that 180 pitches had just vacated over the weekend, so people are going on holiday. Our friend’s self-catering holiday lets and glamping have also been fully booked of late.
Wait, come to think of it - I was required to use table service though. And the campsite requested all used anti-bac gel before entering showers.
Wow. After a second look, it was more like a gulag than a ‘holiday’. I’m getting on the first train to London next weekend and leaving my mask at home. We will not sit for this tyranny. Redact my vaccination record, I have a right to be a human not a sheeple!
Reminds me of our gilets jaunes. A few valid demands but crazies from various causes jumping on the bandwagon. Happily addressing the valid demands took the reasonable people out of the movement and there's only a small number of crazies left to deal with.
If you don't deal with the valid demands you're in trouble.
If you don’t deal with the valid demands you’re in trouble.
You'd think wouldn't you....
So was there a big march or not? Is that drone footage real? Why are these things never advertised? Why have I seen nothing about it on the socials?
The feeling I’m getting from this thread is that people believe that the majority of protesters/marchers were from a few organised political campaigns such as Labour, and Extinction Rebellion. And reading/viewing the (minimal) BBC, Sky, Gusrdian etc news coverage I too get that impression.
Yet head over to youtube and it’s an entirely different picture with the majority of comments claiming that the focus on a few (sic) ‘left wing protests’ was simply a mainstream media distraction from the ‘real event’ which was overwhelmingly anti-lockdown/anti social-distancing etc. There seems to be a massive disconnect between that which is reported by the mainstream media and the groundswell of public opinion against misreporting/censorship.
The BBC are either willingly committing suicide or are being pushed?
We’re hoping to steady the temperatures at somewhere around your IQ.
Cutting And hilarious.
10/10 good job.
Everyone’s depressed, we can’t go for a holiday
Oops, I just went camping two weeks ago.
While I'm all for a camping holiday - for alot of people....that's not a holiday. That's their anxiety ridden idea of complete hell.......much as mines is 2 weeks all inclusive by a crowded pool.
While I’m all for a camping holiday – for alot of people….that’s not a holiday.
I get that, and also mentioned that glamping and self-catering is open. Hotels too? It’s hardly Dunkirk Spirit-levels of self-flagellation to have to go on holiday in one’s own country for a year or two?
Rules vary around the UK.
In England:
All holiday accommodation - including hotels, hostels, B&B, caravans and boats - can open
Six people from multiple households, or any number from two households, can stay together
You can stay overnight in a private home, subject to the rule of six
People are depressingly lacking in critical thinking skills.
people are consistently living long enough to forget about death, and the causes of death.
which was overwhelmingly anti-lockdown/anti social-distancing etc. There seems to be a massive disconnect between that which is reported by the mainstream media and the groundswell of public opinion against misreporting/censorship.
Isn't that direct from the Trump playbook though? Use social media which is not controlled in any way to claim whatever to support their position. I mean, it might be true that it was anti lockdown and is misrepresented by the media or it might be it really was Labour/Extinction Rebellion and the youtube claim is bollards to make the anti lockdown appear more popular than it is.
In the absence of more info, how can anyone really know. Which also suits some agendas.
Even trolls are exhibiting signs of a generally declining IQ it would seem.
🤦
There seems to be a massive disconnect between that which is reported by the mainstream media and the groundswell of public opinion against misreporting/censorship.
Or there's a massive disconnect between all sides of main stream media - left, right and centre, print, online, TV - and what gets out on YouTube by specific campaign groups. Just look at the lies peddled by Trump etc in the US against the media which are being shown to be false.
I'm no fan of our main stream media on the whole, but I know which I think is the most likely scenario.
Best counter this with a protest protesting against stupid protests.
In the absence of more info, how can anyone really know. Which also suits some agendas.
That quite well states my own feelings on the matter.
I get that, and also mentioned that glamping and self-catering is open. Hotels too? It’s hardly Dunkirk Spirit-levels of self-flagellation to have to go on holiday in one’s own country for a year or two?
If not going on holiday abroad for 18 months is causing actual depression then other things need to be addressed rather than going on a holiday.
As for the stupidity of people and the impact of social media BS on these people, can't see that ever going away. The stupid people have always been there but now the majority of them are using and being influenced (easily) by social media whereas previously they were influenced by smaller groups of face to face friends/conversations and mainstream media.
As for the stupidity of people and the impact of social media BS on these people, can’t see that ever going away
Won’t conspiracy culture just grow, exponentially? What will ‘critical mass’ resemble? Or will most of them just get bored once they realise that they can once again board a jet to vacation and don’t have to wear a mask in the nail salon?
We, a small country that doesnt produce much pollution
Hmm you'd better think again about that.
- We're not small, we're medium. We're 21st in population out of nearly 200 countries. Ireland, Luxembourg, Estonia are small.
- We are quite rich overall and we import a hell of a lot of stuff from other countries, which means that their carbon emissions are on our sooty hands.
Even then we still produce a lot of pollution on shore
Yet head over to youtube and it’s an entirely different picture with the majority of comments claiming that the focus on a few (sic) ‘left wing protests’ was simply a mainstream media distraction from the ‘real event’ which was overwhelmingly anti-lockdown/anti social-distancing etc. There seems to be a massive disconnect between that which is reported by the mainstream media and the groundswell of public opinion against misreporting/censorship.
The BBC are either willingly committing suicide or are being pushed?
In this case they are most probably telling the truth... I'm not sure what you mean by a groundswell of public opinion, but my guess is you don't like that the mainstream media isn't telling you what you want to hear after watching some pretty biased material on YouTube
You do know that like Fb, Youtube will suggest things to you that match your bias? Research soon becomes an echo chamber
We are quite rich overall
I think it is safe to call any G7 country very rich.
but my guess is you don’t like that the mainstream media isn’t telling you what you want to hear
Dead wrong. It’s among the last things I ever wish to hear
after watching some pretty biased material on YouTube
Right, this is where may agree.
But I’m finding it to be problematic. How might one measure levels of bias in this footage:
vs this:
Rather like those protests themselves I have no idea what this thread is about…!
We produce about 1% of global CO2 emissions and falling, so whether we like it or not we cannot be part of the solution by ourselves. We can do our part of course, and should, and we are, but we're not going to influence global climate change...we couldn't even measure our contribution.
We are quite rich overall and we import a hell of a lot of stuff from other countries, which means that their carbon emissions are on our sooty hands.
You're not thinking of the bigger picture. It is the poorer countries that polute the most. When you're poor then stuff like food and not starving are much higher on your daily priorities than climate change. The best way we can reduce global pollution and CO2 emissions is to help poorer countries develop and become richer. As soon as countries come out of poverty and individuals become richer then people start caring about the environment and their governments clean up their act. This is a well proven and understood mechanism. So by providing a global market for these countries to sell their wares around the globe we are ultimately contributing to the clean up of the global industry. The environmental cost of moving stuff around the globe is less than the cost of producing the stuffing the first place...we need to clean up both but getting people out of poverty and richer is a big part of the solution to climate change and most other global issues. Global capitalism and global trade is the only mechanism discovered by man that has been successful in pulling countries out of poverty and well into the middle classes in a very short space of time. No other mechanism has been even successful.
If countries like the UK suddenly take global trade away from developing nations then that will be bad for the environment, climate change, global poverty, population growth (the richer people become the fewer kids they have) and all the other global issues we like to talk a good game about solving but get entrenched so much in our own internal politics and in fighting to actually gather round a common strategy or vision to actually do anything about it.
The best way we can reduce global pollution and CO2 emissions is to help poorer countries develop and become richer.
I agree with your post more generally... but at the moment, more rich people means more C02. Rich countries, and especially the rich people in them, need to change their own behaviour and demands rather than acting as if it's all the "fault" of less well off countries, and especially the least well off in those countries.
Cant see Kelvins banner, hes been censored by the deep state
It's proof, if any was needed, that Hindus are Nazis
It’s proof that being competent at Photoshop is more tricky than you’d imagine..
Rather like those protests themselves I have no idea what this thread is about…!
I’m predicting that now Brexit and Trump have been (respectively) ‘won’ and ‘watch this space’, and if herd immunity to Covid is achieved, then this groundswell of anti-lockdown/Covid skeptics will of course switch their protests and marches to fighting against climate change measures and their associated ‘great reset/the elite’ conspiracy - because this is (to their minds) a battle/culture war that potentially has no ‘end’. To their minds fighting against the ‘lie’ of AGW is a fight for freedom fro. They see themselves as Luke Skywalker against Darth Globalist. Realists vs The Woke. Plucky Brits vs The Elite. Etc.
It’s proof that being competent at Photoshop is more tricky than you’d imagine..
Either that banner or one very similar to it (including the Swastika) is actually in one of the videos linked above.
Ah just found is, it’s a Swastika inside a virus with the words “The Boris Variant” and appears to be the very same banner.
is actually in one of the videos linked above
Yup, I just screen grabbed it from this page. What point is it trying to make?
That Nazis and Boris are working in Tandem to control us with a pandemic.
8:33
Anyone that could photoshop that should really be working in big budget movies
Yup, I just screen grabbed it from this page. What point is it trying to make?
That Johnson is using Nazi-style propaganda and lying about ‘variants’? Just a guess. The fact that so many people think that this government have been anything other than shambolic and ineffective regarding timely and effective social restrictions/lockdowns is way beyond my simple mind.
I found this from a couple of weeks ago, it conflicts with the view that last weekend’s anti-lockdown protesters were tag-alongs
Actor and activist Fox, 43, warned that the demonstration was minor compared with what was being lined up for June 26. Filming his protest throughout the afternoon he said the demonstration was “the small one…
He added: “This is the small one Boris. Still pretty big though…
He tweeted during the protest: “To everyone who has followed every rule, worn the masks, home schooled their kids, lost their businesses, been responsible in every way to help us all get out of this mess, who found today’s announcement to be a massive kick in the teeth. Come and be heard on the 26th in London.””.
Anything that contains Laurence fox is immediately regarded as total bunkum.
That man is on a level with farage in the needs a reality check stakes.
Thoughoally Hateful chap
Anything that contains Laurence fox is immediately regarded as total bunkum.
Indeed. Except for the numbers. And the results. Etc. See Brexit.
Ever noticed they never seem to have these conspiracist/rabble-rousing ****ers (and many like them) and their shite up against any interviewer with credentials? Think you’ll ever see him interviewed by someone with any knowledge of the pandemic? They operate surrounded by sycophants. The BBC coddled Farage like a babe in arms yet his fans think the Beeb to be a nest of ‘traitors’ . It’s like reverso-world.
Time was when an interviewer by the name of Andrew Neil might have held someone like F*x to account. Now it seems they’re instead sharing a bed, as it were. This anti’woke’/anti-vax/anti-immigrant/anti-climate action/anti-EU, gravytrain is a fast-growing business which may appear marginal on the mainstream news yet the numbers IMO are cause for concern.
Fox was on GB news a couple of weeks ago, had a half hour slot with that Wootton fella. There's going to be a million people on the streets on the 26th apparently. He wasn't held to account, quite the opposite.
against the fight against climate change?
Anyone on the ground seen what’s going on? Am I losing my mind?
I bet if someone just start playing loud techno music they will all start dancing, those protesters are very prone to music with loud beat and bass. Someone got to try it.
Not sure what they are protesting but a few delta variant is all they need ... and the longer lockdown we are going to have.
Indeed. Except for the numbers. And the results. Etc. See Brexit.
How ever the popular loud shouty vote is rarely the "technically correct" vote.
And heaven knows he does alot of loud shouting.
Remind me -how did his campaign for office go ?
