[Closed] sex pistols

No, it's mostly shite...But that was the point

naw
you are wrong
and i understand the piss take he was up to

You've missed my point by a country mile, never mind though...

PIL are touring early 2010. That should be worth seeing,

C

Will the merch stand be selling butter?

Some fine riffs in there, and no it wasn't supposed to be musically refined. Hit the spot in '76/77 though. I've played some early costello recently, forgotten how very, very good he was before the edges got smoothed over....

Was only thinking about these lyrics yesterday for some reason.

"Belsen was a gas I heard the other day
In the open graves where the jews all lay
Life is fun and I wish you were here
They wrote on postcards to those held dear
Oh dear

Sergeant majors on the march
Wash the bodies in the starch
See them all die one by one
Guess it's dead guess it's glad
So bad

Be a man be a man Belsen was a gas
Be a man kill someone kill yourself be a man"

Hit the spot in '76/77 though

Don't you mean 1986?

For most people the golden age of punk was whatever year you were revising for your O levels in

1975/76 fantastic.

"...and blind acceptance is a sign, of stupid fools who stand in line".

Is a line I always contemplate whilst stood in the Supermarket queue with all the other lemmings, clutching my tub of low fat spread.

Is a line I always contemplate whilst stood in the Supermarket queue with all the other lemmings, clutching my tub of low fat spread.

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Iggy, Johnny... Heroes are meant to let us down. Thats why we move on and find new ones.

Manufactured boy band with added swearing, and apart from Steve Jones, a bag of sh**e and one of the most pedestrian "punk" bands ever imho.

Plenty of other more interesting bands around at the time and a couple of years before who weren't wearing clothes hoisted on them by a bandwagon jumping King's road manager/stylist and reliant on creating controversy to shift records., again imho

Iggy;

Am I selling car insurance, or am I selling time?

Err, you're definitely selling car insurance.

I always liked The Ramones more in the late 70's. Went off them a bit when they did End of The Century and Pet Semetary.
Would have loved to have gone to the Pistols Reunion though.

Who killed bambi?

I saw some fresh graffitti in Notts city centre the other day. Written on a white lit up traffic bollard-
"Glen Matlock is a ****"

-I like the idea of a crusty punk ruminating for thirty years before suddenly finally leaping to his feet with this conculsion and having to rush out and write it everywhere.

[i]Manufactured boy band with added swearing[/i]

Interesting view. "Boy band" in the modern sense? Where they are chosen for 1. Looks; 2. Nice singing voice; 3. Money making potential ? Erm.
Rotten was chosen for his attitude and turned out to be a great lyricist, and an amazing, original front man with a horrible voice.
Obviously imho 😉

[i]3. Money making potential ?[/i]

Knowing Malcolm McLaren, that one, I suspect

I love the Sex pistols and even if they are not your cup of tea you can't take it from them that they are one of the most influential bands that have ever been.

i was listening to Never Mind the Bollocks this morning, one of the finest records ever made and it doesn't sound dated at all

There are some ace tracks on NMTB. "New York" was always one of my favs. But "Holidays in the Sun" was tops.

I might be wrong on this, but didn't Glen Matlock write all their decent (worst 😉 ) hits stuff and then get sacked for not being punk enough? I might be wrong on the reason, but you get my general drift re him? I was aged a year or 2 late, so had the albums, but a year or 2 later.

Pretty vacant has one of the all time great riffs and still sounds good - but the rest of it?

Some of you don't really get the point. Who killed bambi? Rotten killed bambi by taking it all too seriously and then quitting the band. He was the collaborator in the great rock and roll swindle which was a money making scam run by McLaren.

Anything worthwhile they produced was in spite of this - and what they did that was worthwhile seems to me to be "Pretty Vacant" and that is about all.

I remember the release of NMTB. Pre release McLaran said the previous singles would not be on the album - but they were meaning not many new tracks, That was the first swindle.

Well thats one version or interpretation of the story.

Have you ever been had?

I remember their slogan 'cash from chaos!' and then years later, Simon Salad Cream (mayo), saying of John L being in the I'm a celeb 'jungle'...."it's not very punk is it?". I thought, "you didn't really get it then, did you?". Not of the Sex Pistols anyway, it was/still is kind of strange IMO, they were a money making pop band, but everyone seemed to think there was more, but there wasn't, it was about making some "cash from chaos!".

Or have I missed the point?

they had the edge when music had gone a bit, errm soft.

Hey, nothing goes 'soft' when hot gossip are in town!. 😀

Not in my school shorts anyway. I might have had an accident, school nurse!.

When the Pistols first came out and punk was everywhere I looked, I thought the music sounded raw, aggressive, different etc but when I dig the old albums out now....Bollocks, any of the Clash, SLF etc, it all sounds well...sort of ordinary. The raw edges aren't there any more and the vitality of the music seems to have dimmed with the passing years.... or is it me?

[i]Have you ever been had?[/i]

More appropriate would be

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated"

it all sounds well...sort of ordinary. The raw edges aren't there any more and the vitality of the music seems to have dimmed with the passing years.... or is it me?

Of course it does! Its been copied, ripped off, overplayed etc. Cliff Richard sounded raw and rebelious when he first came out!
Everything dims over time. Which brings me back to my first post: Move on, find new things.

it all sounds well...sort of ordinary. The raw edges aren't there any more and the vitality of the music seems to have dimmed with the passing years.... or is it me?

I listen to alot of 60s west coast garage psych punk stuff. When I tell people that, in it's time, it was a very hardcore, cutting edge, raw sound and the lyrics risky and controversial, they usually just laugh.

DezB, I have moved on funnily enough 🙄 God help me if I had to live my entire life (even musically) in the 1970s 😯 It doesn't mean you can't look back on stuff and reappraise it in the face of your advancing year! Well, my advancing years anyway, I don't know about yours.

Now that George Formby chap could hold a good tune......... 😀

anybody else catch Johnny Rotten on the R4 news this am?

what is the world coming to, eh?

oh yeah of course the SP's aren't going to sound as raw these days are you are taking them out of context.

its a bit like you get primary school kids wearing bleached mohicans to school when back in the day I used to get picked up daily just for tucking my trousers into my dm's.

[i]God help me if I had to live my entire life (even musically) in the 1970s [/i]

Seems like most on here do mate! 😉

John Lydon was interviewed on the radio the other day. Explained how he never made any real cash from the Sex Pistols, how PiL was run on a shoestring budget (stealing The Police's studio time for Metal Box) and that he did the Butter ads for the money to get PiL back on the road.

We all gotta make a living...

Lydon was fronting a program about bees on the Discovery Channel the other day!

As for NMTB- sure it was seminal and all that, but that doesn't make it something you'd actually want to listen to.

Some people on this thread talk utter bullsh*t about music, I think it's too much riding and their balls have ended up where their brains should be. Off course it doesn't sound cutting edge nowadays as it's 32 years old, but at the time the sound of punk was groundbreaking, think of the mid seventies high unemployment, bands like ELO, Abba, and other soft prog rock bands dominating the charts and then Punk came along and kicked the music business ass into check. Yes McLaren was only in it for the money but you can't take it away from them that the music which was so fresh with so much anger and pent up frustration, with lyrics telling the youth how it was.
Also just because I appreciate NMTB doesn't mean I'm stuck in the 70's music wise. I can appreciate Elvis the first time he wriggled his hips and this was thought to be too raunchy, The Beatles bringing out Sgt Peppers, Velvet Underground hanging out with Andy Warhol, Stone Roses making the bridge between Dance and Indie. Music constantly progresses through time, personally nowadays Manufactured Pop is hitting the big time which I think is destroying up and coming bands which write and sing all their own songs.
If you don't like the Sex Pistols, that's fine but don't be so stupid that you can't agree it didn't change the face of music. If you are one of these that thinks this then go and Listen to Leonna Lewis the UK's No.1 Karaoke Singer.

Lubemaster
Your post doesn't marry up with any comments I read above, I think you are miss reading or miss interpreting what has been said, or don't know the general demographics on this forum. It's likely in this case, If someone says to move on and listen to new stuff, they aren't dismissing what went on before, because they were probably there aswell in that era, they are just making a general comment about a group of us STWers who harp on continuously about the good ole days. The 70s and 80s probably get mulled over here more than any other era, because that's where most of us grew up in.

Had a listen again yesterday after reading some of the negative comments on here - vinyl, headphones & lots of volume.

Apart from Submission, which was always rubbish, it's like Hovis - as good today as it's always been.

Word to the wise though - remove headphones (and draw curtains) before jumping around front room. 🙂

Well said Lubemaster! Right I'm off to dig into the depths of my Ipod for nmtb and some Inflammable Material, that should wake me up!

Sorry for the rant yesterday, but I had to get it off my chest. If you can get hold of "Spunk" which is the Sex Pistols early recordings before they released NMTB, I think this sums up the true raw power of the Sex Pistols, very fine indeed with some of the tracks sounding better then the versions on NMTB.

This Morning I was listening to London Calling, another Punk Classic.

it was a good rant dood, dont apologise.

altho i disagree about 'spunk' i thought it was a crap sound. way too tinny and 'weak' (altho i spose that may be the rawness of it) whereas NMTB sounds good and 'beefy'. i didnt think any of the songs sounded better than NMTB.

horses for courses tho 🙂

Slow burning thread, this one.
Some people making sense though.
My son is called Lydon btw, and although Johnny has been involved in some f*&king stupid things lately, I don't regret it. (Mostly because we liked the name rather than it being "after" him (and Iggy was frowned upon by the wife's family) 🙂 )
Pistols still sound great to me, but these days I'd rather search Juno for something new on Luckyme than listen to whole albums.