[Closed] Seriously! Some people really

Should she be eating with 2 hands whilst driving, er no.
But who died and made him Judge Dredd?

"I've got a camera now I need to film something terrible."

Sadly it's not even the first time I've heard of people doing this:
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/video-anger-as-driver-eats-bowl-of-cereal-1-3167557

its okay she didnt kill anyone.
much the same way I'm allowed to run around town with a shotgun randomly firing it, as long as I dont hit anyone its okay.

that is right isnt it?

But who died and made him Judge Dredd?

You don't think this sort of behaviour should be challenged??

I wouldn't be terribly happy to be sharing the road with someone half-driving a sodding great Land Rover whilst tucking into their Bran Flakes.

I had a go at a woman once who was reading a novel while stuck in traffic. We were stuck because there'd been an accident at the Girton Interchange on the A14 (crap junction at the best of time) and the traffic updates were reporting of two further crashes in the subsequent queue.
She was in the lane next to me & I watched her almost crash into the car in front several times before having enough of it, tooted at her and asked her why we were stuck in the first place & whether it was a good idea to crash into the car in front?

In fairness, she did stop reading the book.

In that vid ^^^ the cyclist should have got the vehicle in front to do an emergency stop, which would have ended up with the woman depositing milk all over the upholstery of her LR.

I saw a woman applying her makeup as she was driving down salford crescent yesterday, I may have shouted some naughty words at her.

I overtook a car on the M4 last night.

The driver was bottle feeding a baby.

Shouting at women in Salford Crescent Donk? Thats a high risk activity

I overtook a car on the M4 last night.

The driver was bottle feeding a baby.

😯 You sure it wasn't left hand drive?

I have a left hand drive car, been beeped and reprimanded a few times for the 'driver' having a foot on the dashboard, drinking beer, taking photos etc...

Shouting at women in Salford Crescent Donk? Thats a high risk activity

People [i]are[/i] this stupid, yes. Worth bearing in mind when riding [i]and [/i]driving...

You sure it wasn't left hand drive?

Well the baby was being held by the "passenger", and one of them must have been steering the car!

[i]its okay she didnt kill anyone.[/i]

If she did would she have been a cereal killer?

[i]But who died and made him Judge Dredd?

"I've got a camera now I need to film something terrible."[/i]

That's the main issue you pick up from the video eh? Brilliant.

If she did would she have been a cereal killer?

Likes! 😀

The issue is she cannot eat without having no hands on the wheel and clearly its a bad and stupid thing to do [quote=D0NK opined]I saw a woman applying her makeup as she was driving down salford crescent yesterday, I may have shouted some naughty words at her.

no amount of makeup will stop you being but ugly?

The [url=

coverage[/url] says that:

Surrey Police have messaged Mr Williams to say an officer will be in touch for the footage and to identify the woman.

A Surrey Police spokeswoman said: "Police will be looking in to it a lot more. Surrey Road Cops will also tweet back to the poster with something of that affect so people can see police will look into it."

So that's good at least. Hopefully that'll give her a wake-up call before she kills someone. Or ruins her upholstery.

Needs to sort his brakes out though. What a racket!

[i]no amount of makeup will stop you being but ugly?[/i]

Preceeded by "Forsooth, withered hag!"

Perhaps unsurprisingly the YouTube comments on that video come out around 50/50 for who is in the wrong here 😯

Typical cyclist douche. Heaven forbid this woman eat her cereal during long traffic. She should have run you over.
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She's in a traffic jam. Nothing she is doing is dangerous. Anyone who considers this dangerous is an idiot.
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Charge the cycle Nazi with aggressive and threatening behavior. Bloody bully

Don't read the comments!! 😆

I saw someone on the M1 just outside Leeds in a car that was so close to the van in front that I thought it was being towed on one of those solid tow bars like the AA use.

He wasn't being towed and he was shaving.

Every time i see this I struggle to figure out the logistics of how people would even manage to get into this situation.

I think i'd struggle to get into the car without spilling milk all over myself. Even the passenger seat slopes, so I couldn't put a bowl there without the bare minimum of milk in, which risks a horrendous "dry cereal" scenario. Obviously the lap is an option, but a high risk one due to dubious spillage stains.
Has she prepared the cereal once in the car with milk from the glove box?
Did someone hand it to her once driving?
Maybe 4x4's come with a cereal bowl holder??

Can't help wondering what she is going to do if the traffic speeds up a bit. You are either going to end up with the milk splashed onto your lap or seeping into the carpet.

I wonder if there will be a delay as he edits out all of the red lights he ran through before handing the video over to the police?

I was thinking the same thing Horatio. At what point do you decide that this is the best way to have breakfast?

If you're really that pushed for time wouldn't a sane person grab a roll, muffin, croissant, sandwich, slice of toast or some other breakfast option which you could conceivably eat with one hand in a [i]relatively[/i] safe manner.

How do you get to the point where you are backing the car out the drive while precariously balancing a full bowl of cereal on your knees without thinking "Hang on... this is a ******** stupid idea"??

Must admit I've eaten cereals whilst driving a car before.

They were ground up in a coffee grinder and mixed with milk & protein powder inside a shaker bottle thingummy, so only half of me is going straight to hell.

Cereals from a bowl with a spoon is a whole new level of dumbfarkery.

I'm fully aware of how the law regarding being in "control of a vehicle" can be interpreted so the woman was definitely leaving herself open to prosecution. But as far as I could see she wasn't actually moving when the cyclist challenged her. She might have had the bowl on her lap but only ate from it whilst stationery. A bit daft maybe but not necessarily dangerous.

How do you get to the point where you are backing the car out the drive while precariously balancing a full bowl of cereal on your knees without thinking "Hang on... this is a ******** stupid idea"??

its a land rover, might have a refrigerated glove box so the milk might have been in there 😉

Jebus - why does he think he's a traffic cop? I'd like to see him do an emergency stop with brakes that oiled-up.

This crap only makes matters worse......

Yeah, it's out of line, and yes he probably should say something, but to up the video publicly is a bad move IMHO.

But as far as I could see she wasn't actually moving when the cyclist challenged her.

Yes, but she must have got in to that position somehow, and where did she put the cereal until then such that milk wouldn't spill anywhere??

I really don't think you can control a car properly if half your concentration is on a bowl of cereal balancing in your lap.

backing the car out the drive

whoa whoa whoa, is that legal?

Ahhh, it's Surrey...

But who died and made him Judge Dredd?

I think you'll find it's supposed to be

Who made you Judge Judy and Executioner?

While you can argue that at the moment she is challenged she isn't doing anything dangerous, treating your car as an extension of your domestic space isn't a great attitude to have. I'd hazard a guess that she isn't a great driver based on what the video shows, so why not nab her now before she kills someone while she is labouring under the misapprehension that she is sitting in her kitchen.

Which is why you don't see this kind of thing in Newcastle as its always Greggs for breakfast.

This crap only makes matters worse......

Really? I don't think many people will watch that video and think [i]"Of course, I could save time by having my cereal in the car. Why didn't I think of that before?"[/i] 😀

to up the video publicly is a bad move IMHO.

Do you think anything would have happened if he hadn't done that?

This way the police can deal with her and the resulting publicity gives other drivers doing the same thing a suitable warning.

I think it increases tensions and reinforces the division between car drivers and cyclists.

He could have simply handed the video to the police. Did he do that first?

He could have simply handed the video to the police.

He could have. Then, at the very best, she would have been quietly dealt with and no one would know.

Doing it publicly raises awareness and might make other drivers change their habits.

Is anybody ignorant of the legal status of that?

I think it increases tensions and reinforces the division between car drivers and cyclists.

you've automatically assumed a very 'us' and 'them' stance there...

as a car driver, and pedestrian, and cyclist, in fact, just as a person who might be near this idiot, I'm grateful he challenged her and reported it. I'm also grateful he publicised it.

The only way you could get tension from this is if you somehow align yourself to the one handed, distracted machinery operator and feel that their actions were OK.

Otherwise how can you be anything but glad that she's been taken to task for this?

He could have simply handed the video to the police. Did he do that first?

It doesn't say, so lets not make assumptions* either way shall we?

* on that basis I'll also assume that this wouldn't have just been filed under 'not worth the bother' had it not been in the public eye. 😉

I once watched a man WET SHAVE on the M3. I promise you this is true. Genuine triple-take.. many years ago so assume water in the ash tray, lather on his face and a bloody safety (hah) razor hacking away.

I'd seen a few dry shave over the years and thought that's mad, but this was a one-off WTAF moment. I assumed it was something to do with alliviating the boredom of living in Basingstoke or some other M3 commuter town.

No camera phones in those days, but I still remember it perfectly. In his defence he was in the inside lane 😉

Is anybody ignorant of the legal status of that?

Legal status aside, apparently some people think it's OK, or at least worth taking the risk.

Now they *might* at least think twice about doing something like this in future, if not because they know it's illegal, but because they know there might actually be consequences if they're caught or spotted.

There is a HUGE "us and/vs them" how've you not noticed?

Unfortunately yes there is, but You just unwittingly (I hope) [i]introduced that to this situation[/i].

This is not about him being a cyclist and her being a car driver.
They were people sharing a road and happened to be using different vehicles.

This is about her driving dangerously, if it had been a pedestrian that spotted her, or passenger in another car you wouldn't have mentioned the 'us' and 'them'

The only 'us' is people not driving dangerously, the 'them' is people driving dangerously, the fact he is on a bike was inconsequential until you turned it into a thing.

I see your point, but mine is "I'm not the only one, not by a long way". Therefore I think this behaviour is going to make that worse.

Is anybody ignorant of the legal status of that?

Plenty of people on this thread, the YouTube comments and the [url=

FACEBOOK.COM "https://www.facebook.com/roadcc/photos/a.395296355613.177154.57482865613/10152856041330614/]road.cc"

FB comments[/url] seem to think it is perfectly okay and not something anyone should be bothered by.

The legal status seems to be a irrelevant technicality to many.

I ser your point

Then challenge such re-enforcing of the divide when you catch yourself or others bringing it up 🙂

Constant reminder that the divide is manufactured, and that we are all just sharing the road and that the actions of a dangerous driver are dangerous regardless of who spotted them is what's needed.

If anyone makes a comment about the cyclist being militant or similar in response then ask if they want her driving into the back of their car, or not stopping at a crossing for their kid, swing it round to highlight the bad actions of the driver, the truth is the [s]cyclist [/s]observer did everyone a favour, but for some reason people are picking on him.

A bit more of that ^ from everyone might make people slowly realsie it's not acceptable to drive like that (or any other dangerous way seen in videos)

Spot on amedias. The fact he is a cyclist is completely irrelevant to the story, unfortunately very few people actually see that.

The rest just bang on about cyclists going through reds, not paying "road tax" etc etc 🙁

So I see gofasterstripes point too, but I don't think that is necessarily a good reason to just turn a blind eye.

Yes, and you think this video, and others like it are going to help?

I don't.

1. I think these videos will help to highlight unacceptable behaviour = WIN

2. If there is also a concerted effort (in the media and by campaigners) to counter the people targeting the cyclist and flip it back onto 1. then there will be a gradual change in attitude against the bad/illegal behaviour = WIN

The only way this makes it worse is if (the minority lets be honest) of people who already have a pre-existing prejudice go unchallenged, and since one of the best ways to challenge them is with exposure via articles like this it still = WIN

So no, I don't think it will make it worse. I think it might spark up a bit of a debate, but that's actually what we need. It might even be quite a fiery, frothy debate, but you can't win a debate without having a debate, and this give the opportunity to expose the bad behaviour and challenge those that would support it.

OK - all points now well illuminated.

I hope you're right 😀

I hope you're right

me too!

I cling to that hope, sometimes just with the tip of my fingernails, but I do keep holding on...

I'm a little less optimistic. [url= http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/video-anger-as-driver-eats-bowl-of-cereal-1-3167557 ]The Edinburgh one a couple of years ago[/url] was even more blatant. That guy was doing 35mph whilst tucking into his cereal.

But the comments section still revealed it was somehow all the cyclist's fault 🙄

I still think that videos like these are, overall, a force for good though.

IME idiots are overrepresented in comment sections of news stories.

Speshpaul - Member
Should she be eating with 2 hands whilst driving, er no.
But who died and made him Judge Dredd?

"I've got a camera now I need to film something terrible."

GrahamS - Member
Spot on amedias. The fact he is a cyclist is completely irrelevant to the story, unfortunately very few people actually see that.

The rest just bang on about cyclists going through reds, not paying "road tax" etc etc

So I see gofasterstripes point too, but I don't think that is necessarily a good reason to just turn a blind eye.

gofasterstripes - Member
Yes, and you think this video, and others like it are going to help?

I don't.

amedias - Member
1. I think these videos will help to highlight unacceptable behaviour = WIN

2. If there is also a concerted effort (in the media and by campaigners) to counter the people targeting the cyclist and flip it back onto 1. then there will be a gradual change in attitude against the bad/illegal behaviour = WIN

The only way this makes it worse is if (the minority lets be honest) of people who already have a pre-existing prejudice go unchallenged, and since one of the best ways to challenge them is with exposure via articles like this it still = WIN

So no, I don't think it will make it worse. I think it might spark up a bit of a debate, but that's actually what we need. It might even be quite a fiery, frothy debate, but you can't win a debate without having a debate, and this give the opportunity to expose the bad behaviour and challenge those that would support it.

I'm confused by your quoting but I agree with your point

I'm confused by your quoting but I agree with your point

Likewise!

If you are quoting me, Speshpaul, amedias or gofasterstripes as examples of cyclists who find this acceptable then I think you've misread the thread a bit CZ. 😕

[quote=HoratioHufnagel ]IME idiots are overrepresented in comment sections of news stories.

This. I've learned to take comments sections on stuff like this (whether DM online, FB or whatever) with a huge pinch of salt. Maybe I'm just optimistic, but I don't think most people are so stupid.

What's more people who have stupid viewpoints tend to have them anyway and are unlikely to have their views changed by anything.

She's a (crunchy nut) nutter!

It's much easier to make toast in a Discovery-
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What's more people who have stupid viewpoints tend to have them anyway and are unlikely to have their views changed by anything.

The thing that constantly surprises me is when people who you would [i]think[/i] might be naturally sympathetic to a story are the exact opposite.

I would have thought most road cyclists would be at least a bit concerned by drivers not paying attention, but there are plenty of them saying they don''t see what the problem is.

One guy just said [i]"Who cares? We all eat on bikes, she should be able to eat in her car."[/i] 😯

He could have simply handed the video to the police.

But then everybody wouldn't have had the chance to get involved in a thread like this, with its circle-jerk of tut-tutting.

People who go around looking for other peoples' wrong-doings to film and then post on the internet are the bell-ends of all bell-ends. I'd say they need to get a hobby, but then they're already cyclists.

If you drive or cycle enough [ in fact at all on the roads] you dont need to look for incidents as they just happen. I assume most folk do it for the safety they will have when a tit hit them tbh
To them blame the observer for witnessing poor behaviour is somewhat odd

As for using plod perhaps they have in the past and nothing happens so they go for shame by media?

I ate a Snickers bar today on the A2 south of Vienna driving a Discovery. Shocking I know but I feel better now I've confessed.

People are this stupid, yes. Worth bearing in mind when riding and driving...

I stopped in a cloud of tyre smoke a couple of feet from a car facing wrong way, our car showered in debris...

iolo: Can you really not see [i]any[/i] difference between munching on a Snickers and driving about while concentrating on balancing a bowl full of cereal and milk??

As the headcam bloke himself said:

We’ve all eaten mars bars or something, or had a drink of coke, but nothing like this.
“I mean, who takes a bowl of cereal into the car?

matt: holy crap! 😯 well done for avoiding get caught up in it. Hope everyone was okay?

People who go around looking for other peoples' wrong-doings to film and then post on the internet are the bell-ends of all bell-ends.

What about people who are worn down day after day by the dangerous behaviour, lack of enforcement of existing laws, indifference to the very real threat to their lives and then just happen to capture it on film, are they also the bell-ends of bell-ends?

Whether or not this chap went looking for it is as irrelevant as the fact he was on a bike, he's just hopefully stopped this silly woman (and hopefully a few others) from doing this again. Not being in control of your car because you're trying to juggle cereal isn't just dangerous to 'bell-end cyclists with cameras' it's dangerous to other drivers, cyclists, moped riders, motorcyclists, and pedestrians.

A fact you'd think you might be quite glad of considering you are probably at least one of the above.

I honestly can't understand the mindset that would think someone highlighting a danger is the bigger problem than the person driving around while eating cereal!

Ask yourself honestly, how happy would you be if you got a taxi and the driver was driving you round while doing that? bus driver? train driver? (and they don't even need steering!).

Is it just me, or do people not give a shit any more? I was in the petrol station the other day and watched a guy drive in whilst on the phone. Then he sat there for 5 minutes at the pump until he finished his conversation. Totally uncaring that there's several cameras pointing at him.

Then yesterday. Driving to work. I'm in the right hand lane of a dual carriage way. Keeping up to speed with the traffic in front (which is a police car) and the guy behind pulls into the inside lane, does a blatant undertake for no reason, other than to prove the point he can, and nips back in behind the copper in front!

Does no-one enforce traffic laws these days? It's no wonder cyclists are out doing it.

I've had enough of it, I'm fed up (pardon the pun) with this kind of thing behind the wheel.
Every day I see at least 3 people driving their cars looking down at their phones. And now this, eating a bowl of cereal ffs!
I applaud the cyclist for recording it, challenging her and putting it on social media. The police will now have to do something about her.
The thing is though people now think they can get away with what they want there's very few police on patrol to stop them. We need more people like that cyclist, chapeau sir!

Cereals, make-up, shaving, laptops, books, rolling spliffs, passengers sleeping face down on the drivers lap (!!), drinking Tennants Super (I reported that one) I've seen a lot going on in passing cars and twice now I've seen men having a 5 knuckle shuffle whilst cruising on the motorway. Scares my bits off

matt: holy crap! well done for avoiding get caught up in it. Hope everyone was okay?

Seemed it, one lady with minor cut/grazed arm and some minor wrist burns from all the airbags. As I was in middle of busy m-way, as soon as it was apparent people were ok, I left my phone number with one of the trucks and got out of there.

[url= https://flic.kr/p/uMHb7j ]just get someone to help you[/url]

Bloody cyclists...

This story + the still from the video was front page on this evening's Evening Standard. IIRC, angry--tight-leather-jacket man was too.
Media shapes & reflects public opinion so it looks like maybe public opinion's beginning to switch against lousy driving...
Certainly my experience on the road in recent months on club runs is drivers being more courteous and less abusive, which suggests the idea that cyclists aren't the devil's spawn may finally be getting through
Time will tell

This story + the still from the video was front page on this evening's Evening Standard

Made the Daily Mail too.

And despite the expected level of anti-cyclist comments, all the top rated ones were chastising her.

Was headline News on Radio 4. Which surprised me a bit. Not sure it's THAT big a deal. Maybe a slow news day. But can't be a bad thing.

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I just had to post this response that someone on road.cc found.

I love his writing style. It just flows so eloquently, like Byron or a young Oscar Wilde:

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I passed a fella texting while driving at 50mph in bumper to bumper traffic on the M62 .....