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Sorry - quick question the STW hive mind as I’m assuming that other people have been in the same situation.
A close contact has returned a +ve PCR test for COVID today, after visiting us on Saturday (test was on Sunday, had a -ve LFT on Sat morning).
So - the plan is to now isolate 10 days, dating back from Saturday (kids out of school and nursery, back to WFH…), but just read on a .gov page that this is only necessary if contacted by T&T:
They do not need to self-isolate unless they're contacted by the NHS Test and Trace service. But they should take extra care to follow social distancing advice, including washing their hands often.
Other pages I’ve read suggest our intended approach - isolate for 10 days once you know that you’ve had contact with a +ve case…
Anyone cast any light on it?
Cheers,
Rich
Isolate. That’s more than enough contact to be infected. T&T is a bag of shite.
Isolate, defo.
Leaving aside the whole shitshow of T&T being run by a bunch of Tory Cu......
Do you even know if they have your contact details? That might be the reason they haven't contacted you.
The NHS T&T APP or the T&T website will only ping you to self isolate if the person testing positive gives full and accurate responses to questions asked.
There’s a difference between what is the moral thing to do and the legal.
FWIW we, The Wife, Boys 1&2, and I only tested positive on a PCR test, the lateral flo tests we took, including when we were ill all came back negative. It was only because The Wife had been in close contact with a possible +ve test and took it upon herself to go for a PCR test that flagged up we were positive. T&T then kicked in because we answered the questions accurately, if we had been economical with the truth then it wouldn’t have flagged other possible cases.
Isolate.
End of.
Sorry that sucks but it's better than potentially transmitting it on to someone who might die.
Contact details shouldn’t be an issue - it was my nephew. I think he’s been doing it tonight.
Plan was always to isolate the 10 days - just a bit surprised by the same website having differing advice. Oh, right… Nice one Dido.
As someone pointed out the other day, easing if lock down restrictions doesn't mean covid is any less of a danger, just that there's more room in the hospital.
T&T relies one people giving them correct and honest information. If people don’t do that then you won’t hear from them.
Thanks again all.
He’s a good lad and had told T&T everything (including my contact details), so let’s see how that one pans out.
He was lucky enough to be at Wembley on weds for the England-Denmark game. Guess where he picked it up from… Doesn’t bode well after Sunday’s shenanigans.
Righty - time to sort out the homeschooling!
Rich
He’s a good lad and had told T&T everything (including my contact details), so let’s see how that one pans out.
From what I've heard elsewhere - about 3 days before they get hold of you! They are busy just now so may be worse!
He was lucky enough to be at Wembley on weds for the England-Denmark game. Guess where he picked it up from… Doesn’t bode well after Sunday’s shenanigans.
The pub, the mode of transport before the game, work or somewhere else.
My son asked me this yesterday. He was at the pub over the weekend with two people who have now tested positive.
I was surprised at the government's wording on this:
If you think you've been in contact with someone who has COVID-19, but you do not have symptoms and have not been told to self-isolate, continue to follow social distancing advice.
He is staying in at the moment and having a PCR test tomorrow. He won't get a ping from the app because apparently must of his mates have uninstalled it.
I guess I shouldn't be suprrised at the utter lack of clarity from the shower of shite in charge.
Hi Drac,
Sorry - was more of a 'I guess that's where he...(i.e. I don't know, but am assuming. Perhaps falsely)'. He drove up with his Dad, doesn't drink and has only been at home as he's just finished his A-Levels. But yup - I'd have assumed outside in the fresh air etc... would have been pretty safe.
He's had 1 jab already (about 3 weeks prior) and just feels pretty grotty at the moment.
Cheers,
Rich
Isolate if you can prior to t&t contacting you (many employers & insurance companies require the t&t instructions).
Are you double jabbed? I'm I correct in thinking you wouldn't need to isolate from the 19th if double jabbed?
Hi,
Yup - double jabbed here (me about 3 weeks now, wife had her second on Friday). We're all isolating (and was always the intention - we don't want to be the ones responsible for closing down the nursery and school year) - was just surprised at the differing advice on two .gov.uk pages. But as eskay points out, maybe not.
I don't think the double-jabbed/isolation rules kick in until the 16th August - we've been discussing this at work (Research Labs) as there could be issues with whole teams going down for 10 days after being pinged as close contacts, so ideally we're keeping the social distancing and other protections in place after the 19th July until the 16th Aug at least.
It’s entirely possible from watching the game, but equally so other contacts. His Dad could be an asymptotic carrier for example. Regardless it’s good to see you all doing the sensible thing and isolating. So, far I’ve only had to do one day as my eldest had a pyrexia. I was convinced it due to tonsillitis starting but couldn’t risk it. It was due to tonsillitis thankfully.
Cheers Drac - hope he got over the tonsillitis okay - unpleasant business, that!
Yeah she did thanks but was shabby for a few days until the antibiotics kicked in. Thanks.
On a related note, does anyone know where the requirement for family members of a confirmed case to self isolate comes from in terms of the primary or secondary legislation?
We've raised a query with our kid's school; the whole year have been out because they are close contacts of some confirmed cases - 10 day self-isolation completed.
Go back into school today - one of the kids announces that his sister has a positive test. An unrelated parent also says they tested positive over the weekend, but it's okay, the kids don't have it so they're fine to go into school.
My understanding of the guidance is that if a family member tests positive then the whole household must self isolate for 10 days.
The school has said that if it is a sibling of a previously-confirmed positive case who has done the 10 day self isolation, then that previously confirmed positive case can return without self-isolating again.
That's not my reading of any of the guidance. I've found the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) Regulations 2020 but they're silent on family members.
The guidance on gov.uk etc is in my view unequivocal that if a family member tests positive again, the period restarts and the whole household must once again self isolate for 10 days, eg:
Does anyone have any idea? More than happy to be corrected!
Yes, they’re idiots and the household should be isolating from first symptoms or positive test date.
The school has said that if it is a sibling of a previously-confirmed positive case who has done the 10 day self isolation, then that previously confirmed positive case can return without self-isolating again.
Yes, if it’s within the same time frame as the original isolation it doesn’t reset.
On a related note, is it possible to challenge a ping from the app? I'm currently isolating after being notified by the app. It was last Thursday, only place I went was a junior cricket game to watch my lad play. I spoke to 2 people, neither of whom have got covid, and had a bit of a wander around the pitch, well away from anyone. Seems a bit off!
You are not legally obliged to isolate following a ping from the app. The government chose not to make the app mandatory, and therefore are unable to enforce any notifications. If it's a T&T ping, then that is legally enforceable.
Morally it's down to you. If you don't think you have been potentially exposed, then you may not want to isolate. But when you say the 2 people you spoke to haven't got covid, has that been confirmed through testing, or just through remaining asymptomatic? But again, it's not enforceable, so you need to make the call as to how you deal with it.
Somebody has to enter a positive pcr test result for anyone to get pinged, neither of them have.
I got pinged by the Scottish app in October. Had not been anywhere but solo dog walk, work (school), solo dog walk and home. No one at school pinged positive. Lost 7 days of holidays sitting inside alone. Didn't stop my employer launching an investigation into my absence.
Anyway the apps seem a bit unreliable.
I'd love 10 days of isolation...catch up on my youtube subs and read a few good books....