[Closed] See - it's not just bikes that some drivers don't "see"

Fuuuuuuuuu.....

Well avoided and shows the benefits of modern car control systems.........

Butt puckering.

Paul Kinell that was close.

Does beg the question though, why film yourself driving down a road?

disappointing lack of swearing.

Does beg the question though, why film yourself driving down a road?

Lucky it was a modern road with nice safe broad verges.

Does [s]beg[/s] raise the question though, why film yourself driving down a road?

jimster01

Does beg the question though, why film yourself driving down a road?

If a plane crashes into a river in front of you, or you see a meteor landing you can sell the footage to news outlets and make a mint.

I might be alone here, but I think any driving with such disregard for other people on the road, should be banned from driving for life.

Jeeebus. Lucky there wasn't anything at the side of the road there.

The transporter doesn't look like they are stopping and seems entirely oblivious to the fact that they very nearly killed someone.

Does beg the question though, why film yourself driving down a road?

Dashcams are increasingly common.

That footage would have been very useful in making an insurance claim or bringing charges against that transporter driver if it had been any closer!

I really hope that the driver, took the trucks reg and reported incident to the police.

I hazard a guess that was more of a case of "i'm bigger than you deal with it " than SMIDSY.

There is a HGV diversion local to me that means HGV's have to turn right back on to the main A road. Probably twice a week i see traffic having to to give way to HGV's who just seem to say **** it i'm turning.

Gordon Mackenzie that was close!

[i]That footage would have been very useful in making an insurance claim or bringing charges against that transporter driver if it had been any closer![/i]

Would've been much more exciting film with an actual crash at the end. *

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*I'm joking!

Christ.

Fair play to the driver for being so calm, I don't think I'd have been mumbling swear words quietly to myself.

Hope thats not you Colin...

😯 They should report that as it's still classed as causing an accident even though they did not hit, especially has he had to leave the carriageway. Must have done some damage to the bumper or undertray at least!

I hazard a guess that was more of a case of "i'm bigger than you deal with it " than SMIDSY.

We have two HGV drivers (out of 8 ) who drive with this attitude at work. They've become even worse since we had Telematics fitted (to apparently save money on fuel and stop accidents from inappropriate speed..), they will just drive straight out instead of having to brake and accelerate again. Saves them getting the mpg-hit and any marks for harsh braking/accelerating.

The camera car driver was a pussy - he should have just driven up the ramp and switched off to save fuel, had a sleep and then reversed off as the lorry reached its destination.

Wowzer that was close! Incredible that the car stayed pointing the right way (didn't spin or slide) on the verge considering it was under heavy braking and the verge was wet and covered in icy/slush!
Was the footage speeded up at all?

This is why it's a good idea to keep your speed down - you cannot trust other road users.

Incredible that the car stayed pointing the right way

As above - that's due to modern driving aids that STW drivers think are 'dangerous' and 'unneccesary' and far beneath their amazing skillz.

globalti - Member
The camera car driver was a pussy - he should have just driven up the ramp and switched off to save fuel,

That's exactly what I would've done in my Skoda Yeti. But why sleep when you can get all gnar on the back of the lorry with your rigid singlespeed?

Was the footage speeded up at all?

Not judging by the audio, no.

[quote=rickmeister ]Hope thats not you Colin...Not me. You'd have heard a string of expletives at the end if it had been!!

[i]This is why it's a good idea to keep your speed down[/i]

Yeah! Drive everywhere as if you going to have a crash! 25mph on ALL roads should be fine. That will ensure no-one ever pulls out on you too! 😆

Judging by the YouToob comments it sounds like a couple of media outlets are in touch so hopefully it will go viral enough to track down the driver and let them see how close they came to killing someone.

In my car i'd have been billing the haulage company from some new wheels and tyres for the nearside, as smashing them up the kerb/verge like that would have bent them to ****!

Drive everywhere as if you going to have a crash!

Yep. That doesn't mean 25mph though. You know, they put warning signs near junctions to warn you about exactly this eventuality. Does anyone actually pay attention to them?

It's not clear from this vid a) how fast he is going or b) how early he reacts, however from his actions he does seem pretty switched on so b) is probably decent. He doesnt' seem to slow down very fast though so either the road is very greasy, he's on shite tyres or he's going fast.

I've watched the video a few times and it appears to me that the car driver has seen the truck start to emerge from the junction and simply braked and pulled onto the verge to avoid a collision. No ABS, no harsh braking and no stability control kicking in. Would he have been better speeding up to avoid the incident - maybe.

Also shows why you should clear snow off your roof before setting off!

[quote=molgrips ] He doesnt' seem to slow down very fast though so either the road is very greasy, he's on shite tyres or he's going fast.Braking earlier might have put him into the road signs on the left in this still

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Probably thought the HGV was pulling halfway out to tuck in behind after he'd passed. Pretty sure the slush was thrown up by him mounting the verge, not off his roof.

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The BBC have linked to it now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-31602318

Holy moly. I was sweating on the drivers behalf.

Aye Carumba

Although I'm not suprised by the HGV type in the slightest. Nearly been had off the Braemar road by them before.

I might have been swearing - at the end. Too serious and quick to swear at the time, if you've time to beep your horn it's not close enough 🙂

On the slowing down bit, I guess it's precautionary driving - not sure I'd have done it much earlier; I might do now (and after a similar incident many years ago when a Fiesta pulled out of minor road into my path; then stopped dead.. I reckoned that trying evasive action might have resulted in slide/skid so went straight on instead, into front of said Fiesta. It didn't end well for the Fiesta (v. Saab 900) but all peeps were OK; sadly wrote off the 900 though.

No ABS, no harsh braking and no stability control kicking in

The fact that he comes quickly to a stop with two wheels on soft mud without slewing or spinning tells me that the stability control DID kick in.

The Telegraph have it too, so the truck driver can't be a major advertiser with them.

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motoringvideo/11431502/Watch-drivers-terrifying-near-miss-with-lorry-caught-on-camera.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motoringvideo/11431502/Watch-drivers-terrifying-near-miss-with-lorry-caught-on-camera.html[/url]

It's not clear from this vid a) how fast he is going or b) how early he reacts, however from his actions he does seem pretty switched on so b) is probably decent. He doesnt' seem to slow down very fast though so either the road is very greasy, he's on shite tyres or he's going fast.

The fact that he comes quickly to a stop with two wheels on soft mud without slewing or spinning tells me that the stability control DID kick in.

Make your mind up Molgrips.....

What? Where's the conflict?

He does the right thing in the incident, but he may have been going over the speed limit, the road may have been greasy or he may have been on bad tyres. His ESP is probably on.

Not sure what you mean?

If you can't see the conflict that is there for all to see, then I'm not going to get into a race to the bottom with you.

he may have been going over the speed limit

Telegraph article says that the driver said he was doing about 55mph.

Granted he would say that but I don't think the video looks like he is going much faster than that. Seems pretty reasonable for the conditions (clear day, clear A road).

Surprised nobody's criticised him for his snow hat tbh 😆

Really hope this goes to a prosecution tbh, that was madness- sometimes seems like people stick these dash/helmet cams on youtube etc but then don't take it further

He doesnt' seem to slow down very fast

The fact that he comes quickly to a stop

Not sure how you unite these views tbh

For reference I think this is the junction on Streetview:

https://goo.gl/maps/bnIYX

Didn't clear the snow off his roof - car driver at fault.

[quote=legend ]Didn't clear the snow off his roof - car driver at fault.All that snow should have made the [b]VAN[/b] easier to see 🙂

Must admit that I think the movement of the truck should have alerted him earlier...

All that snow should have made the VAN easier to see

pfft, don't let facts get in the way of an STW opinion!

[i]We have two HGV drivers (out of 8 ) who drive with this attitude at work. They've become even worse since we had Telematics fitted (to apparently save money on fuel and stop accidents from inappropriate speed..), they will just drive straight out instead of having to brake and accelerate again. Saves them getting the mpg-hit and any marks for harsh braking/accelerating. [/i]

Consequence of having Telematics fitted. If you are been marked for every 'infringement' then you'll drive to ensure you don't get the 'infringement' and a daily/weekly/monthly sit-down with your Manager to 'explain' yourself. Near-misses aren't recorded 🙂

Interesting that he didnt use the horn at all.
Not that doing so would have made any difference, although perhaps the wagon may have stopped?

Consequence of having Telematics fitted. .. Near-misses aren't recorded

Hmm.. perhaps the telematics need to incorporate proximity sensors and/or cameras? Would that help?

Interesting that he didnt use the horn at all.

If it was me I wouldn't have need the horn - the wagon driver would have heard the swearing and the almighty sonic boom as I filled my breeks in sub-millisecond time.

Horn is DefCon 2/3 - that was DefCon 4 minimum 🙂

Van driver was a pussy - if he'd booted it he could have fitted through the gap no problem. 🙂

If you can't see the conflict that is there for all to see, then I'm not going to get into a race to the bottom with you.

Well obviously I would not have intended to post two contradictory statements, so if I have got mixed up I'd appreciate it being pointed out.

He looks like he didn't brake very quickly at first when he was on tarmac, but once the car is on the grass it appears to slow quickly for a car with two wheels on grass.

You can see the truck has no intention of stopping so I'm going to assume he's missed the van driver completely in the staccato step vision thing (can't remember its name) or maybe he just didn't give a shit.

Edit : Though I also have to guess the driver wasn't aware of the truck approaching at said speed, which again is entirely plausible.

As far as the slowing down thing goes, if you've ever had a high speed accident you'll know in some instances you slow down pretty quickly when you mount/hit the curb.

Molgrips » Well obviously I would not have intended to post two contradictory statements, so if I have got mixed up I'd appreciate it being pointed out.

Junkyard » He doesnt' seem to slow down very fast

The fact that he comes quickly to a stop

Not sure how you unite these views tbh

staccato step vision thing

Saccades.

That's the thingamajig...!

Has this turned into another "I'm a better driver/rider/pedestrian/human than everyone else" thread? I don't dare look.

Saccadic masking shouldn't cause that- you get that when you're looking around quickly, but the driver bloody well should have been looking up the road not just glancing or flicking his eyes over quickly. Basically he could only meet the conditions for saccadic masking by not looking properly.

They were both asleep! That was developing for ages! Its the slowest, most obvious hazard perception test ever! It's also easier to see something crossing your vision rather than direct towards it. The Truck is on a constant bearing which would wake up any sailor!

Though I also have to guess the driver wasn't aware of the truck approaching at said speed, which again is entirely plausible.

When someone pulled out infront of me - although it was all at 20mph ish - there was a split second gap between my Mrs gasping and me hitting the brakes. I saw her at the same time but I think perhaps because I am less of a nervous driver some part of my brain told me she was bound to stop. Only when she actually entered the road and it was clear she wasn't going to stop did I slam on.

Perhaps a similar thing happened here.

Just looked back again.. the lorry is well visible and clearly not slowing to a stop, so yeah I think he should've braked earlier. Bear in mind it's a wide angle lens so the lorry would've been larger in his eye than ours.

Basically he could only meet the conditions for saccadic masking by not looking properly.

Indeed, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Taking a total guess I'd say he took a few cursory glances and just went for it. Could be totally wrong but that's how it looks to me.

some part of my brain told me she was bound to stop.

If the van driver was aware then that's a likely thought process. We've all done it, I'm sure. Presumption is the mother of all **** ups or something, isn't it...

Edit : Infact, I reckon that's exactly what he thought - the truck might just wait mid-road for him to pass before pulling out, which would explain the lack of reaction, too.

Who knows. TBH, I don't really give a shit, just glad no one got hurt.

They were both asleep! That was developing for ages! Its the slowest, most obvious hazard perception test ever! It's also easier to see something crossing your vision rather than direct towards it. The Truck is on a constant bearing which would wake up any sailor!

Spot on. If I'd been on my motorbike I'd have hit the high beam and the twin Fiamms a long time before that truck reached the junction and I'd have been covering the brakes as well.

Assuming it was a hazard perception test, at 26 seconds in I noticed, and would have braked hard at 27. and reckon car would have stopped at the road junction. But I'm human and not perfect so Death and and a substantial premium increase is also an option.

[i]Has this turned into another "I'm a better driver/rider/pedestrian/human than everyone else" thread?[/i]

Yep. Jeez

First sign of madness, DezB.

I'm sure that if the police follow this up, they will decide it's 50/50 and probably do the driver for parking on a grass verge.

A truck did that to me but I was much closer and driving at 60mph. All I could do is slam my brakes and stop inches from the lorry. Ditches on either side of me.

I did see him pull at the last second and braked early as I could.

Lorry driver drove past me and we opened windows and he said sorry.

Mistakes happen.

I drove off thinking you could have killed me.

No harm done but I do have 330 mm discs on my car thank god.

The problem with "post event analysis" is that it is just that, post event. You know the outcome.

In the real world, trucks arrive at T junctions several millions times a day. if every time you saw one, you performed an emergency stop, you'd never get anywhere at all (and you'd get rear ended all the time too, ooh matron..... 😉

So, regression to normality becomes the significant factor in (near) accidents like this. In fact, i think the driver did ok. He was driving at an appropriate speed (imo) and when it became clear the truck wasn't going to stop, he brakes under control, and remembered to steer out of the way )amazing how many people just brake and then drive straight into the object, even when they could have just driven around it!)

I think a fair proportion of distracted drivers on our roads probably wouldn't have even spotted the truck at all and just driven straight into it........

Consequence of having Telematics fitted. If you are been marked for every 'infringement' then you'll drive to ensure you don't get the 'infringement' and a daily/weekly/monthly sit-down with your Manager to 'explain' yourself. Near-misses aren't recorded

Exactly what I said in the meeting that told us they were being introduced! The number of RLJ fines has increased, related?

Hmm.. perhaps the telematics need to incorporate proximity sensors and/or cameras? Would that help?

We already have separate cameras which are viewed after accidents. Never used to spot bad driving otherwise due to how long it would take to watch the footage generated by 40+ vans each day!

Never used to spot bad driving otherwise due to how long it would take to watch the footage generated by 40+ vans each day!

Yeah fair enough - not sure what the answer is to that (other than driverless vans!)

Frankenstein - Member

No harm done but I do have 330 mm discs on my car thank god.

Has this turned into another "I'm a better human than everyone else" thread?

Yep. When you posted that ..
whilst looking down on everyone else 🙂

Commercial vehicle drivers are nearly always twunts. The bigger the vehicle, the bigger the twunt.

I disagree. Most lorry drivers are pretty good. Always be a few bad ones.

Coach drivers on the other hand.....

Round here I don't in general (bad apples excluded) have a problem, with coach, lorry or tractor drivers. Taxi drivers though...

Logging truck driver being a bat £&)( mental driver shocker