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And 'Irish Travellers' wonder why people hate them.......

And 'Irish Travellers' wonder why people hate them.......

Uh-oh....

It's disgusting! What on earth goes through their minds??

......and to the two tossers who needed reminding yesterday at Gisburn forest to take their litter home take heed!

Incoming Incoming

is it time for a people we hate thread. Prejudice at the ready on the count of 3 hit it with some casual racism 🙂

Never occurred to me that it might be travellers.

In fact, there was a receipt lying next to the mound of crap:
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May or may not have been relevant, of course.

Jamie > Uh-oh....

You're suggesting that it's grammatically incorrect to begin a sentence with [i]and[/i], right?

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Wait a minute there Miss Marple, are you stood at the scene of the crime like a local BBC reporter?
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Collecting evidence? call the cops!

I'm waiting for the council to turn up

I took the trouble to pick through a pile of flytipped crap in the Dales National Park a few months back. Found a name and address for a householder whose shite had ended up there (including a cut up NHS ID card).

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Passed it all onto Craven District Council. Clearly they couldn't be arsed to either follow it up or pass it to someone who would, as I heard nothing back.

I guess the problem is proving the link between the rubbish contents, and who actually dumped it.

[i]I guess the problem is proving the link between the rubbish contents, and who actually dumped it.[/i]
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I guess so, but some token enquiries with the householder concerned might be an idea.

Another trail to be christened Fly Tipper like the one in Surrey Hills.

This is indeed scummy behaviour but you have to accept that the large charges made for disposing of commercial waste have lead to a big increase in such dumping.

I would be amazed if it was David Suchet who dumped it.

I would be amazed if it was David Suchet who dumped it.

Dunno - dodgy foreign type, isn't he?

^^ me too 😆

I watched them dump this lot. Around lunchtime, broad daylight, in plain view of the road and offices, they just pulled up in a transit van, tipped it all out the back, then scarpered.

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I ran down to try a get photos or a license plate, but they were gone by the time I got there.

Called it in to the council immediately who were very good: took a witness statement and sent out a guy to investigate it for evidence before they cleared it.

I guess so, but some token enquiries with the householder concerned might be an idea.

....or just dump it on their property.

I have a similar lane on one of my routes, the council it has to be said do a good job of clearing the stuff about once a month but I cycle down it the following week to find a rotting old sofa and a load of car tyres, makes me angry and sad at the same time.

Aren't there some pretty hefty fines these day for "this sort of thing"??

I'm waiting for the council to turn up

Hope you packed a lunch. And an overnight bag.

It's builder rubbish, someone who replaces soffits, like this guy Paul Green :

http://www.checkatrade.com/PGreenRoofingAndHouseMaintenan/

Employ proper trades folk to avoid this. IIRC the owners of the rubbish can be held to account.

Not just a countryside problem. Round our way, Wimbledon, this has started happening, builders / workmen are just dumping neat piles of crap on wide pavements in quiet residential roads knowing the council will clear it up. Last week it was a pile of old tyres just stacked up and left.

It's builder rubbish, someone who replaces soffits, like this guy Paul Green :

http://www.checkatrade.com/PGreenRoofingAndHouseMaintenan/

Hmmm, Watson. Maybe I will pass the receipt info onto the council. (And Checkatrade.)

[quote=oldgit a dit]Employ proper trades folk to avoid this. IIRC the owners of the rubbish can be held to account.

that's what I thought too

Employ proper trades folk to avoid this.

Good in theory but [u]if[/u] ernie's suspect is the man then he is [i]proper trades folk[/i] with a decent checkatrade score.

The owner of the rubbish is the builder, he went out and bought the stuff, the fact he had soffit left over has nothing to do with the home owner, imo.

He's throwing away receipts for things bought for business purposes that could be claimed back for VAT/Tax purposes.

I would imagine his accounts aren't exactly "up to date"

He's a 3XL though, so you don't want him banging on your door looking for payback 😉

Anyone else feel like they want to make an appointment with him to see if he can do some fly tipping for them ?

This is indeed scummy behaviour but you have to accept that the large charges made for disposing of commercial waste have lead to a big increase in such dumping.

Charges should be factored into any work carried out. Problem is that these lovely people charge for legitimate disposal but then just flytip to make more profit.

I guess the problem is proving the link between the rubbish contents, and who actually dumped it.

And you're assuming this is the first time he'll have done this, I'm in the hang and flog em camp when it comes to fly tipping, do all that stuff listed above, council, check a trade, hell isn't it illegal, would plod get involved, especially if he can solve it without coming from behind his computer screen?

Ernie, thinking more of the house clearance stuff, like the NHS card one.

I could do with a ton or so of hardcore delivered to a local trail, maybe I'll hire a dodgy builder to lay a driveway and get him to flytip the excess for me

Some **** has dumped a load of asbestos waste on Tunnel hill. Now surrounded by some yellow tape, but in the wind this weekend i expect it'll have blown all over.

A couple of times i've noted reg numbers of 'dodgy' looking vans parked up at entrances to the military areas, with a view to returning later and see if they've dumped contents. As the title said - scum.

[i]Now surrounded by some yellow tape[/i]

I think this means "Council aware".

Have reported to council and Checkatrade feedback left. Just noticed the shirt size on that receipt I photographed - 3XL !

At least you know you can out run him!

He might be large but if he's working on roofs changing soffits etc he's probably quite agile and flexible.

I've known some very large roofers more agile than gorillas 🙂

T-shirt was a present for his 8 year old daughter

Be interesting to see if your review ever appears on Checkatrade. 🙂

"The owner of the rubbish is the builder, he went out and bought the stuff, the fact he had soffit left over has nothing to do with the home owner, imo. "

Oh you would be surprised!
We had a site that following a road improvement was on the end of a dead end. Top tipping stop!
It became a 3 times a week visit to manage down the tippers.
Most of them are so ****ing stupid they leave a ID, address, receipt, account number, A PASSPORT!!!!.
We caught the same PVC windows guy twice! made him come back and clear up photographed him doing it.
"Hello Mrs Jones, I'm X from Y, I understand that you have had new PVC windows fitted. How do I Know?....
We have instructed our contractor to clear the site in 2 days time, at a cost of £500. which we will pursue you for."
Never failed yet.

I have found receipts (with their address) in rubbish dumped so here is what I do. Put the receipt in an envelope and send it to them without a stamp!! They will have to pay postage plus a £1 to get the letter. I put a note inside saying I found this receipt in a load of rubbish dumped at such and such a place. They may think twice about ever doing it again.

I have found receipts (with their address) in rubbish dumped so here is what I do.

Can't help thinking you'd have been better off letting the council find the receipt and prosecute them for fly-tipping.

(Though I accept I may be putting too much faith in the legal process).

[i]They may think twice about ever doing it again[/i]

Someone has too much faith in scum having the ability to think.

They will have to pay postage plus a £1 to get the letter... They may think twice about ever doing it again.

That'd scare me off!

Or I'd just stop adding blatantly incriminating evidence to my fly tips.

[i]Or[/i] if I was super-cunning (by Oirish traveller standards) I'd leave a note with someone else's address!

I'm wasted in my job.

Never occurred to me that it might be travellers.

In fact, there was a receipt lying next to the mound of crap:

utterly indefensible behaviour and if it is them then they deserve to be severely punished for this. I hate the dumping of stuff illegally

We caught the same PVC windows guy twice! made him come back and clear up photographed him doing it.

So it was the contractor then not the home owner.

[i]Claiming you did not realise when you started it [/i]

Funny eh. I just have no prejudice against travellers, weirdo that I am.

Is this a "southren" phenomenon, I don't see a lot of evdidence of fly tipping where I live, Central Scotland. There are TV programmes about it but, as I can only stand them for about 15s, it always seems to be darn saarth. Not trying to make any point in particular here just curious if this is the case. [/anti-flame disclaimer]

Scots come down south to dump their rubbish. FACT

Scots come down south to dump their rubbish. FACT

That's OK, I always stick a wheelie bin's worth in the boot when I head north and pop it off at the side of the M74.

[quote=DezB said]I just have no prejudice against travellers, weirdo that I am.
still claims the clarkson defence

Is this a "southren" phenomenon, I don't see a lot of evdidence of fly tipping where I live, Central Scotland. There are TV programmes about it but, as I can only stand them for about 15s, it always seems to be darn saarth. Not trying to make any point in particular here just curious if this is the case.

*sets sat-nav for 'here be McDragons' and fills the boot with broken tellys*

In all the years I've been hacking the South Downs I can't honestly think of one serious fly dumping incident, ok I've seen loads of branches and grass cuttings the other side of Bishops Waltham but that has to be about it.
So there you have it, where I live it never happens 😆

In all the years I've been hacking the South Downs I can't honestly think of one serious fly dumping incident, ok I've seen loads of branches and grass cuttings the other side of Bishops Waltham but that has to be about it.
So there you have it, where I live it never happens

*adds additional POI and puts broken fridge on back seat*

Is this a "southren" phenomenon

My photo was from the Newcastle area, so not [i]very[/i] southern.

Mind you I saw plenty of fly-tipping when I lived in Glasgow and Edinburgh too, so maybe you're just lucky or you don't ride places where they tend to tip?

[i]So there you have it, where I live it never happens[/i]

Hmm, this was on the South Downs. 5 minutes ride from the very South Downs Way, in fact.

tbh I see very little in the North - I can only think of one in the last few years tbh and it was a little smaller than the Dez B example

Thankfully we have acres and acres of wasteland [ brown field sites] for them to dump on rather than drive into the few areas of scenery we have to dump.

Anyone not transporting their own waste needs a waste transport licence or something similar in name, and an id card, they can be stoped by vosa and vehicle impounded if they dont have the correct paperwork.

tbh I see very little in the North

probably just more likely to be seen by teenage stoners in their corsas on my side 😉

I can only think of one pile and that is within the last few months so it is rare thankfully

It's really dumb dumping stuff like that.

Everyone knows the proper way to dump it is into a canal or river.

tbh I see very little in the North

These northern types are very good at mend and make do, they need to save their pennies.

DezB - Member
So there you have it, where I live it never happens

Hmm, this was on the South Downs. 5 minutes ride from the very South Downs Way, in fact.

Your part of the Downs are clearly full of pikies then 😆

Don't give them my bit hey.. 😆

it always seems to be [s]darn saarth[/s] dyne sythe

FTFY

Dumped the old one... 😉

Do we need to email P Green and let him know the good news? i.e. his rubbish has been found and it's ready for him to collect?

Dez, email the Portsmouth Evening News they love this sort of stuff.
Probably get a better response then from the council alone.

It's really dumb dumping stuff like that.

Everyone knows the proper way to dump it is into a canal or river.

😆

Some twunt recently dumped a load of asbestos roofing sheets at the bottom car park on Box Hill 🙁

"ernie_lynch - Member
We caught the same PVC windows guy twice! made him come back and clear up photographed him doing it.
So it was the contractor then not the home owner."

Ok ernie here we go, the contractor is the Home owners agent, acting on their behalf - Contract- contractor. If it comes off your house and you have paid someone to dispose of it, you still have to ensure they do it legally.

By following them to the tip?

At some point it has to be assumed you made reasonable checks and the person who did it was the one who broke the law.
IANAL - link to law as well please

Interested as that seems harsh

Sometimes reporting it does get results.

A load of kitchen waste got dumped in a disused quarry on a neighbour's farm.

He called out Environmental Health and they traced it to a curry shop in a nearby town and fined them.

Tony Martin for PM.

If it comes off your house and you have paid someone to dispose of it, you still have to ensure they do it legally.

In this particular case the stuff we're talking about it (at least most of it) doesn't appear to have been removed from the client's home, it's left over, eg, the contractor bought too much or whatever. Not something you would expect the client to have any control over.

But I get your point.

BTW you did say that it was the contractor not the home owner that you collared :

We caught the same PVC windows guy twice! made him come back and clear up photographed him doing it.

Tony Martin for PM.

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It was still waste from a customers job.

"BTW you did say that it was the contractor not the home owner that you collared "

no I didn't, I said it became a top tipping site, we caught lots of people. including the same contractor twice. By identifying the address of the home owners (delivery address's on the PVC window packaging) telling them we would pursue them and they got on to their contractor who they had paid to dispose of the waste, to collect the waste. The same guy in two cases about 10 days apart.

its a probkem round rivvy couches, fridges and general shite. the iinlaws get it bad in radcliffe as they live on an old farm.

I was upset though at landegla with the amount of discarded water bottles and food wrappers. And that in a way is worse.

Poor splelling any grammar as on cheapo tablet